THE ZODIAC 38 CHARACTER CODE

3/26/2018

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On the left is the Fairfield letter, mailed on December 16th 1969. Nine days prior to this communication another Fairfield letter was received, dated December 7th 1969 (see below). These two communications were mailed by the same author, not only based on the handwriting and tone of each correspondence, but because neither were published in the newspapers, thereby denying the possibility of a copycat. Many have questioned these two letters as being genuine Zodiac material, however, there is every reason to consider them as being true Zodiac correspondence based on several factors.

Without knowledge of these 'dubious' letters existence or having seen them in any newspapers, it would be uncanny how the Zodiac Killer would continue the theme of these two letters into the Melvin Belli letter on December 20th 1969, the My Name Is letter on April 20th 1970 and the Button letter mailed on June 26th 1970. In other words, three of his next four communications. Here is the theme running consecutively through these communications, starting with the December 7th 1969 letter:

"I just need help. I will kill again so expect it any time now. The will be a cop. Then I will turn myself in OK. I will kill in SF 3 times (including cops). The one thing I ask of you is this, please help me. Please help me I cannot remain in control for much longer. But there is more glory in killing a cop than a cid because a cop can shoot back. I shot a man sitting in a parked car with a .38".

It is clear from the December 7th and 16th communications, the author is threatening 'government life'- most likely the police. In the December 7th 1969 communication the author has supplied a code containing 38 characters, followed by the December 16th 1969 letter threatening another 38 kills including cops, and curiously in his June 26th 1970 Button letter, the claim of shooting "a man with a .38". Most likely coincidence, but you never know. Here is a forum thread on Zodiac Killer Site with some of the same salient observations, particularly by AK Wilks. The December 7th 1969, 38 character Fairfield letter (below) has been cleaned up and darkened to make the letter more readable.
"I just need help. I will kill again so expect it any time now. The will be a cop. Then I will Turn myself in OK".

Was this code a crude attempt at pushing us in the right direction regarding his infamous 340 character cipher mailed just one month earlier. The obvious similarities are there, particularly the first four characters of this code mimicking the opening four characters of the 340 cipher, and the last five characters of each code in both instances. It certainly isn't difficult to spot an inference to 'Zodiac' once again, possibly indicating its importance within the 340 cipher.

A hoaxer could easily have copied elements of the 340 cipher and incorporated them into what many believe is a poor imitation of a Zodiac correspondence. But if the Zodiac Killer hadn't seen either of the two Fairfield letters, do we attribute the continuing theme through three of the next four genuine Zodiac correspondences as just sheer luck, referring to "needing help" and his suggestion of "killing a cop". Additionally, from the 'double event' November 8th/9th 1969 contact, we have effectively been given four ciphers or codes (whether crude or not) in five correspondences. These observations may lend more credence to the Fairfield communications and their rightful place as having been penned by the hand of the Zodiac Killer.
THE MESSAGE WITHIN THE FAIRFIELD LETTER

76 Comments

John

3/26/2018 09:37:07 am

When it comes to the Zodiac's writing style, you have to compare his letters to the message left on Hartnell's door-- he didn't have time to alter the letters/numbers, so it's probably his true writing style.

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 03:43:43 am

Personally, I think this particular letter was not written by the Zodiac. But that is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Shawn

3/26/2018 10:52:16 am

My main problem with the Fairfield Letter is he used LINED PAPER.

Up until December 16th when this letter date the Zodiac had written NINE letters on non line paper.

In the November 9th letter (last confirmed) before December 16th he said he would change his ways of murder. Basically more secretive....murders would like accidents, acts of rage and such.

In the December 16th Letter he actually tells where he will kill and how many.

The December letter does not fit with the consistency of Zodiac letters before and after.

Drew

3/26/2018 11:07:11 am

Regarding the lined paper choice and lack to blue felt tip pen, perhaps he was away from his supplies?

Richard

3/26/2018 11:17:37 am

Hi Shawn, Zodiac stated he basically wouldn't announce his murders to anyone. He never actually announced ever when he committed any of his four canonical attacks. They were all out of the blue- so he never changed anything. Also, if he was going to make them look like routine robberies and accidents, why did he state he shot a man in a parked car, and announce he was going to bomb everybody left, right and centre. Not very good accidents one might suggest.
I personally don't worry about the lined paper, because we could say he wrote 5 letters then sent a greetings card, therefore this is out of character. He may simply have ran out of plain paper and used what he had at hand for two weeks before he bought a new writing pad.

Shawn

3/26/2018 12:59:27 pm

Hi Drew,

Looking at the December 20th, 1968 Belli letter (4 days later) it is the first confirmed letter where all his written lines looked very even.

One can speculate he first used lined paper on the draft, then used a light box to copy it with a felt pen. (As Graysmith has suggested in his book).

The following "Law Breaker" 7 June/July 1952 comic was on the comic rack at the same time as the famous "Tim Holt" Comic 30 June/July 1952. Has a light box AD on the Back. Also has a roulette wheel/gambling scene on the front.

Back Cover "Law Breakers"
http://images.furycomics.com/viewer/25/256cdcf3132520694bae159ce21abe94/35.jpg

Front Cover "Law Breakers"
http://images.furycomics.com/viewer/25/256cdcf3132520694bae159ce21abe94/0.jpg

Drew

3/26/2018 01:54:48 pm

This is a very interesting theory Shawn! If it is true that the little-to-no compelling fingerprint results throughout the Zodiac letters suggest that he was wearing gloves as he wrote his correspondences then I think the use of an apparatus such as a light table is reasonable. It seems a bit curious though that the author of the Fairfield letters was this careful in his preparations yet wrote seemingly without rereading his message closely enough to notice that he had messed up his most evocative sentence, "The will be a cop", unless the writer was a hoaxer intentionally trying to write like the 'careless' Zodiac.

Because there is no information contained in the Dec7 letter which attempts to prove that this is a Zodiac correspondence, as he had in his other letters up to this point (and bearing in mind that if he had all of his supplies he had two pieces of Stine's shirt in his possession), I wonder whether the author was surprised that he did not get published. When he wrote back on the 16th he still did not to provide proof of authorship and again failed to get published, but four days after that he perhaps learned his lesson and included a shirt piece in the letter to Belli.

In all of the confirmed/unconfirmed Zodiac letters how many times does the author tease a clue to the 340? I count the Dec7, the Apr20 and the Exorcist letter. Are there other instances that come to mind?

Another thing I find intriguing about the Dec7 letter is the wide word spacing, especially the word OK. I have nothing to say about it just that it seems odd.

Richard

3/26/2018 02:07:37 pm

What about the possibility that because the Fairfield letters were likely posted away from his residence, he could possibly have been in residence there for a 2 week period and used what was at hand- hotel stationary, local shop, whatever. Then normal service was resumed. Travis Air Force Base is in Fairfield.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Air_Force_Base

Richard

3/26/2018 02:11:55 pm

In 1969, the 349th Military Airlift Wing (349 MAW) of the Air Force Reserve (AFRES) was also established as an "Associate" wing to the 60 MAW, with both units sharing the same aircraft and eventually seamlessly mixing flight crews, maintenance crews and other support personnel.

Drew

3/26/2018 02:18:52 pm

That sounds very possible. Beyond all of the indicators that Zodiac was involved with the military and airplanes specifically, the idea that he could literally fly away resonates strongly for me with the confidence he exuded in both his crimes and letters.

3/27/2018 05:43:19 pm

Murder on a Moonday
From Wikipedia
On Sunday, April 11, 1971, Kathy Bilek, 18, visited Villa Montalvo, in Saratoga, with the intent to read and engage in birdwatching in the seclusion of a remote, wooded portion of the park, near a small stream. Her body was found the next day by her father, Charles, while Santa Clara County Sheriff's deputies searched nearby. She had been stabbed 17 times in the back, and 32 times in her chest and stomach.

Drew

3/26/2018 11:05:26 am

This Dec7 letter with its 38 character cipher is very interesting and there was indeed a lot of great points on the morf board. Combined with the 37 victims plus something nasty if ignored on the Exorcist letter and the inference of a DNA connection between it and the 1978 letter (info from Rodelli sourced to an LE insider who said one of the '74 "fakes" matched the 78) which also mentions "control" these Fairfield letters are difficult to discount. The timing makes some sense as well.

If he was evoking the Dunbar caller with his asking for help in the Belli letter it seems reasonable that he was doing the same here but didn't get published. There are a lot of potential coincidences to ignore including the candy cane f which he could not have observed on the withheld Hartnell car door and overall handwriting consistencies. The cipher on both Fairfield letters seem sloppy but he clearly wasn't about to compose a neat and tidy effort as he did a month earlier with the 340. If there was a Please Rush to Editor on the envelopes then I don't think there would be any debate at all.

Richard

3/26/2018 11:29:43 am

His main projected kills in the December 16th Fairfield letter are Sacramento 9, Napa 8, Oakland 8, Vallejo 6, Fairfield 3. San Francisco 3. All apart from Napa traverse Highway 80, which may suggest he travelled this route regularly.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Napa,+CA,+USA/Sacramento,+CA,+USA/Vallejo,+CA,+USA/Oakland,+California,+USA/@38.0068003,-122.2906864,205945m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m26!4m25!1m5!1m1!1s0x8084ffe7f8f2deef:0xd6629f3a3384c725!2m2!1d-122.286865!2d38.2975381!1m5!1m1!1s0x809ac672b28397f9:0x921f6aaa74197fdb!2m2!1d-121.4943996!2d38.5815719!1m5!1m1!1s0x8085119732ce0709:0x95933f02a8c61639!2m2!1d-122.2566367!2d38.1040864!1m5!1m1!1s0x80857d8b28aaed03:0x71b415d535759367!2m2!1d-122.2711137!2d37.8043637!3e2?hl=en

Rubislaw 32 link

3/26/2018 11:25:13 am

Just on the matter of lined paper,Drew,I believe you have called it ''spot on'',with regard to lack if supplies.

We had a blank sheet for the ''Bleeding Knife'' depiction....then the lined sheet,used for ''this state is in trouble'' etc.

My theory is that Zodiac was in Sacramento,on business,at the time.Holed up in his hotel,he took to this two page ''project'',with just a letter writing pad,and pen.

Realising that he just had one sheet of letter writing paper....he used that last sheet,for the ''Bleeding Knife''......then used the ''lined template'' sheet,for the written letter.

Also,believe that ''3168398'' is a phone number.Inside the USA,seven digit numbers,were the norm.

Any takers for research,on that particular possibility ?

Richard

3/26/2018 11:24:51 pm

If he was away for a fortnight during December on account of his profession and had the compulsion to write, he not only doesn't have access to his regular writing material, so bought what was at hand, but equally didn't have access to the Stine shirt to mail. This may indicate he returned back to his home base sometime between December 16th and December 20th 1969. He equally may have been travelling through Fairfield to Sacramento on a daily basis and posted them en route. We will likely never know Rubislaw. But the running theme into 'genuine' authenticated correspondence is either an uncanny coincidence or they were penned by the killer. The code writing does appear hurried and careless, so its relevance may be overestimated.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/27/2018 07:02:38 am

That's it,Richard [!].If Zodiac was holed up,in a hotel,and of an evening....not only would he have not had access to more suitable writing paper.....he wouldn't have been ''carting around'' some bloodied fragments of taxi driver's shirt.

A brilliant spot,from you [!].

It certainly ''seals the deal'',on interpretation,for me.

Shawn

3/26/2018 01:00:40 pm

In my previous comment i meant to say "Hi Richard". )

Rubislaw 32 link

3/26/2018 03:38:48 pm

Certainly go along with your final comments,in the article,Richard.

If questioning the authenticity,of the Fairfield Letters,then we should also question,how it is that some phrasing from the Fairfield letters,find their way into correspondences,a few months on,that were deemed to be authentic.

In a way,one could possibly see the Fairfield letters as a ''bridging solution'',between the letters of the 8th/9th November,and further ones along,as you proffer,at least,this prospect.

I have looked at some images of Z38,on google images....with efforts to ''flatten'' the angled original available shot.They do seem to contradict your interpretation.

But who is to say,who is correct [?].

Something you may want [.....or not [?]...] examine,at a later date.

It is at these times,when I get frustrated at L.E.,in that they could put out,their definitive interpretations of certain correspondences....even if not giving the public more information,than they would wish [?].

Sometimes,one feels that we only got access to a ''bunch'' of FBI files,because some ''people'' needed to clear their desks [!].

Carl Karas link

3/26/2018 04:44:05 pm

The 3 'Bates had to die' notes were written on lined paper. I believe he was someone with very good handwriting who was writing the letters with the left hand. Why the Bates Notes are so poorly drawn-he had never tried it before. He must have practiced it over time. The Christmas Card to Donna Lass' sister may be his actual handwriting. The light table is a good idea. I used one in my own work years ago. It makes tracing much easier. think these letters are genuine because the first line of my 340 begins with two words: 'It interested'. These two words fit the first line of the 38 cipher

Rubislaw 32 link

3/26/2018 05:55:42 pm

Yes Carl,I do think that you make a good point about the possible development/evolution of Zodiac,in his persecution,by correspondence.

I have just uncovered more evidence of a George Webster connection to the two 1988 New Canaan letters.Certainly enough,to feel comfortable about accusing L.E.,that these letters represent taunting of murder victim,Joan Webster's father.

If,by implication,that means that Mr ''Morf 13'' appears a little ''wet behind the ears'',on an e-mail,that suggested a ''tall story'',and otherwise,it is simply for him to reflect,if he wishes.

But,the ''timing'' alone,of his receipt of those correspondences [circa March/April 2015],should ring alarm bells,and particularly,with respect to District attorney,Jonathan Blodgett's letter to Joan's sister-in-law,that the case file had been handed over,for re-investigation.

Yes,the Mary Pike Christmas card looks ''almost'' too good,to be true [?].Even more ''alien'',than the Count Marco letter handwriting.

But,the Count Marco letter is officially authenticated....so,who knows [?].

Judith

3/26/2018 09:29:26 pm

Ye Olde hand writing. Here we have all these letters written by somebody, quite possibly a murderer, and yet expert after expert has authenticated handwriting samples only to be proven useless. And what about the supercomputer Carmen? Is there not some sort of software program that compares handwriting? The only expert that I trust so far is Sherwood Morrill. All of the zodiac letters are in hand printing the only handwriting samples I can find for my suspect are in cursive, however I did a numerical comparison which is also on my thread on zodiac killer.com I took a series of checks that Peter wrote and cut out the numbers, then printed off zodiac letters and cut out the numbers.I made absolutely no adjustment for font size and then pasted them into columns side by side. I think you'll find the results rather amazing.

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 03:08:39 am

I have had a bit to do with so-called handwriting experts. I soon found out that they are actually a very subjective bunch. You can show two letters to one expert who will say they definitely look like they were written by the same individual. Show them to the next expert and they will say "No match". I gave up on the lot of them. They were all over the place with their "science". But I do think you are right about Morrill. Morrill had a very keen eye for detail. Very little escaped his notice. He was certainly "old school", but often the old school approach is best.

The Zodiac certainly appears to be a cursive writer to my eyes. He was printing as an attempt to cover his typical writing style. I also notice at times that he must have held the page on an acute angle, possibly because he had trouble keeping straight, and also perhaps because he was trying to print in a way that was slightly different to the usual slant on his letters. He clearly used very thin paper for the ciphers, because he must have used a ruled template behind the page in order to keep straight. He evidently had a lot of trouble keeping straight when he was writing.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/26/2018 10:54:50 pm

Go along with you on Sherwood Morrill,Judith.

I believe he got most of his calls,correct.He seemed to understand Zodiac,more than many others,involved in a variety of aspects to investigations.

But,and as is apparent,he was,during his working life,in the employment of the Ca.DOJ.And,looking back,it is all too clear that his judgements were sometimes overruled,when it came to an official decision on authentication.

He adjudged the Bates correspondences Zodiac authentic,but they never became official,since pressure was brought to bear,to stop the FBI moving in on Riverside.

In addition,the ''fiasco'' over the symbolic use of the April 1978 letter.
By then,Morrill was retired....but he was angry enough to voice his protest.....effectively against his former employers.....with whom he had enjoyed a life's career.

There was no correspondence authenticated,thereafter.

Perhaps,more to do with ''authentication'' having been turned into a ''side show'',than whether,at least,genuine ''candidate correspondences'' turned up [?].

Quite possibly.

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 03:14:48 am

Agreed Rubislaw. Morrill was prepared to make a decision and commit to it. This is so unlike many of today's handwriting "experts" that seem to prefer being non-committal. They will either say there is no match to avoid the hassle or they will remain indecisive. Frequently they will only come out to bat if they know the prosecution's case is bullet proof and there is a mountain of evidence already in favor of a guilty verdict. If there are some doubts about the case, they are more prone to be indecisive and non-committal.

Richard

3/26/2018 11:58:54 pm

Drew, In the article I stated the tenuous connection to the number 38, in that the code contains 38 characters and the intended kills proffered by the killer was 38. It's quite odd really that I was saying the other day regarding Zodiac being placed under 'near Zodiac' and calculating the numerical difference in the columns to produce the three circled 8's. Then the first 13 letters of the alphabet being placed under the '13 Symbol' cipher to produce the symmetrical array of numbers 0, 3, 11, 0, 0, 5, 0, 5, 0, 0, 3, 11, 0.
It replaced a symmetrical array of characters with a symmetrical array of numbers, so effectively went no further. I added them up today and got the figure 38. Strange really, but likely another odd coincidence. The central numbers inside the 8's totalling 10- the number of victims he was claiming thus far. I doubt it's relevant, but at least we now get 38 in four of five consecutive correspondences.

Richard

3/26/2018 11:59:41 pm

Reference image:
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/6989426.gif?395

Richard

3/27/2018 12:03:44 am

Zodiac: "PS I hope you have fun trying to FIGGURE out who I killed."

Shawn

3/27/2018 06:21:48 am

It appears that handwriting, fingerprints, palm prints and circumstantial evidence such as Numerology (watch the police run) might be the only way to solve the case......

If what Tom Voigt says is true about no DNA in this recent March 21st article by SF Weekly.

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/yesterdays-crimes-news/yesterdays-crimes-the-zodiac-killer-dna-profile-that-never-was/

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 03:22:27 am

Shawn, I have even asked psychics about certain suspects. Shown them photos so they can look into the person's eyes and tell me what they think about the person. But I do tend to draw the line at things like glowing rocks at Lake Berryessa and using ouija boards at murder sites etc. Many detectives have resorted to using psychics over the decades, when all avenues of clinical investigation have failed. I do know of a few cases that were solved by psychics. I'm not sure if they just "got lucky" or if they do have "the gift" or whatever. I guess the use of such things tends to speak of desperation and generally go with the words "Well it can't do any harm, so let's give that a try."

Richard

3/29/2018 04:54:30 am

I don't pay any attention to psychics- they revel in their own self importance. I will guess the location of a missing murder victim's body and 999 times I will be wrong. When I get it correct on the 1,000 time, I'll say told you so. 10 million people, making 10 million predictions every days, constitutes 280 million predictions a month, and billions of predictions a year. When one comes true every year are we supposed to be astounded. This is called statistical probability not psychic ability. Anybody who claims divine knowledge, future predictions or locations of murder victims is a fraud. These people do more harm than good, and prey on vulnerable people.

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 05:13:06 am

For the most part I agree, but there was one case in particular that really made me wonder. On this occasion the psychic was right about different and complex things on more than 3 separate occasions, and not only found the bodies (went straight to them in fact) but also found critical evidence which nabbed the killer. Which makes me wonder, are they really psychics, or are they processing leads and clues in their heads just like a detective would? Or perhaps they are just mentally processing things in a different way, like lateral thinkers perhaps? Is all the rest just hocus pocus put on for show? Perhaps so. Whatever, they are sometimes useful... but on countless occasions, as you suggest, they have been completely wrong and clueless and end up just getting in the way. :-)

Richard

3/29/2018 05:48:33 am

I assume if this psychic hat a good hit ratio, it's not unlike a lottery winner who has won the jackpot twice-it does happen. Like you said, it's likely down to critical thinking. I would reverse the situation and say if the psychic ability is real, why does it stop at three cases-why not solve every case. Of course, it then comes down to the 'spirit guide' being not always sending a message or the 'connection' is playing up. Odd coincidences do happen, but if it cannot be scientifically repeated, like dropping an apple to explain the theory of gravity, then it will not withstand scientific scrutiny and therefore be consigned to the 'miracle' cure. I'm sure millions of people pray to God to cure them of terminal cancer, and when somebody goes into remission it's a miracle. Again, remission happens equally without divine intervention, and don't forget all but one in a million will die. But somehow the one person who survives somehow conveniently ignores this fact, or claims they are somehow special. This self-importance never fails to astonish me. For me personally Ray, I don't believe in psychics, a sixth sense, ghosts, spirits, souls, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, alien abductions, aliens hovering around earth, soothsayers or God. These are human constructs designed to rationalize things that cannot be quantified, but one day probably will. It's like Thor creating thunder and lightning once, but now we know better. The Zodiac case is in danger of falling into the realms of mythology, if it hasn't already achieved that status. I'll stick to good old solid science, even though this has probably run its course in solving this 50 year old case.

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 06:02:33 pm

Yes you are correct of course. People try to rationalize things in different ways, and their ability to rationalize often depends on their upbringing and education standards and intelligence and the like. I guess this is why we see so many conspiracy theories entering discussions about the Zodiac. People often try to fill in the gaps from their own imaginations. Their theories may derive from a similar scenario that had some factual basis, but it is the complexities of the connections they try to interweave that frequently fly in the face of reality.

There is an old Massachusetts saying that goes: "Light dawns on Marblehead". It is a dense person's sudden realization about something, like a Revelation, or a light bulb moment. But one could also argue that because the person is normally as dense as marble, even though the light has hit them first, their realization may be incorrect or poorly conceived. Sometimes dense people do have ideas, and the rest of us will find them strange and scary. Sometimes these ideas do actually pan out, due to sheer luck. Most times they do not.

Drew

3/27/2018 08:03:37 am

That is a lot of 38s Richard! It does sound absurd but if any of the other hints at numerology are intended it may be meaningful. Maybe instead of multiplying the 20 rows by 17 columns to get 340 in the cipher we should be adding those figgures plus the Zodiac symbol at the bottom - voila, another 38! Terrible joke, but I will however be looking for 38s everywhere now!

Another observation I just had (with probably equal irrelevance) inspired by the relationship that Rodelli's LE source proposes between the 1978 letter and 'one of the 1974 fakes' is that the 1978 unlike all of the confirmed Zodiac letters uses paragraph indentation. The only other letter within the wider cannon I have found that also indents rather than simply presenting a wall of text is the 1974 SLA letter. For what it is worth the only other indents appear in the 1986 and 1987 letters. And on that note, I should probably stop studying Zodiac letters and go to work!

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 05:26:06 am

I'm not sure if that SF Weekly really presents a case. They just say there was no DNA evidence. Ummm, well, how exactly do they know for sure?

And as for Allen Leigh, I never liked him as the Zodiac. Still, he hovers about the case like a persistent and annoying mosquito. If I was to place a bet on all of the suspects as definitely being the Zodiac, I would put my money on his name. There is just so much circumstantial evidence. As the article says, a mountain of evidence. And we were never told all of the details about the evidence gathered against Leigh. I think they would have had a very good case. I suspect if Toschi had not been disgraced by the accusations of hoaxing Zodiac correspondence, and the actual hoaxing of fan letters to which he admitted, the case against Leigh would have eventually gone to court much sooner. By the time the prosecution were ready to proceed it was too late. Leigh had died. I personally believe that if he had been placed on trial and the evidence presented in its entirety, he would have been found guilty by a jury. Once the case went to court he would have been as screwed as Manson.

Judith

3/27/2018 06:28:04 am

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiackillerfr/tit-willow-the-story-of-the-zodiac-killer-t6606-s80.html

Shawn

3/27/2018 07:01:47 am

Judith,

I have read some things about your ex husband Peter Plante.

I'm having a hard time getting past the fact he was 19 at the time of the LHR in Dec of 68.

Like trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole.

Judith

3/27/2018 08:28:54 am

Yes that is the biggest prejudice. He was killing contemporaries. In locally known make-out spots to teenagers and young lovers.

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 03:26:56 am

Look at the Lake Berryessa sketches. He would have been around about correct for that age!!

Age can be a very difficult thing to determine. I once knew a man who looked very young to me. I estimated he was probably in his early 40s. Suddenly his health failed and he was placed in care. I was shocked to learn he was actually 73 years old.

Ray Jenkins

3/30/2018 03:11:48 am

Judith, Apologies for the left field question, but were diamonds relevant or important to Peter Plante in any way?

Ray Jenkins

4/1/2018 04:17:35 pm

I am forever banned from "Tippy-Tappy Talk", and forever is a very long time. Even if hell freezes over, the ban will not be lifted. Seems if you don't like Gyke they summarily evict you and change the locks on your door. Clearly if you don't like Blaine or Gyke than you have nothing else to offer. But never mind, each to their own.

Judith, I have several questions:

Did Peter Plante like James Bond movies by any chance, or books?

Like Diamonds are Forever (1956), for instance?

Also, did he like Peter Sellers movies, in particular "The Pink Panther" (1963) movie? "A Shot in the Dark" (1964)?

A diamond is of course the most perfect combination of triangles, even though no diamond is ever entirely perfect - often it is the flaws and imperfections that make each diamond unique. The triangles theme in the 340 cipher is an interesting one, because it now occurs to me that:

Peter Sellers = "PS"
Pink Panther = "PP"
Peter S Plante = "PS", "PP", "PSP"

John

3/27/2018 06:29:51 am

Hello Richard,

I found this interesting article online. Title of the article is: "Second Killer Added to Hunt for Zodiac." There were some stabbings near the San Jose area, and if I understood the article correctly they were investigating if it was done by Zodiac. Have a look!

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?
a=d&d=DS19691021.2.13&srpos=5&e=------196-en--20--1--txt-txIN-zodiac+killer-------1

Richard

3/27/2018 09:31:18 am

Hi John, I posted this newspaper cutting with all the other Zodiac newspaper articles from the 'Desert Sun' here.
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=3506
They are referring to the two murdered girls Debra Gaye Furlong (14) and Kathie Ann Snoozy (15) on August 3rd 1969. The ones he was likely claiming in the Dripping Pen card on November 8th.
The baby girl is Shelly Irene Holmboe, aged 23 months.

Shawn

3/27/2018 10:16:50 am

Richard said..."They are referring to the two murdered girls Debra Gaye Furlong (14) and Kathie Ann Snoozy (15) on August 3rd 1969. The ones he was likely claiming in the Dripping Pen card on November 8th."

This is additional proof Zodiac was a deceptive liar.....Wiki quote below...Karl Werner confessed....so where are the victims of Aug?

"In September, Karl F. Werner confessed to the murders of Furlong, Snoozy, and Bilek, and received a life sentence.

Initially, San Francisco police Inspector Dave Toschi suspected the Zodiac Killer may have perpetrated the Furlong/Snoozy murders. At the time of his arrest, there was consideration given to the possibility that Karl F. Warner was the infamous Zodiac;[7] however, it was subsequently determined that Warner had been residing in Marlborough, Massachusetts at the time of some of the earlier Zodiac slayings.[3]:180–81 Warner is currently incarcerated at California Medical Facility in Vacaville.[8]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_F._Warner#Furlong/Snoozy_slayings

Judith

3/27/2018 06:34:46 am

Tom runs a subjective website. If the facts don't fit his suspect Gaik, then they are not facts. Having said that he is the original, he is the source.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/27/2018 11:44:25 am

Yes Judith,I think that many would agree with what you infer.

But ''sluething'' has a habit of bringing out the worst in us...mostly to do with frustrations in our personal journeys,and the hurdles that appear to conspire to get in our way.

My personal pet hate is witnessing lack of research...unforgivable in this line ''work'' [!].

Important to be generous spirited,when we can muster it [?].

It's a big congratulations to Mr.Voigt for 20 years of pursuing the Zodiac....and inspiring many to do the same.

And,Mr.Morford's efforts are ''none too shabby'',either.

Salutations to both.

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 03:30:46 am

Well yes, but I've always felt Tom would be more likely to find the elusive Bigfoot than the Zodiac. Just my ten cents! lol!

And for the record, I HATE GAIK!!!

Shawn

3/27/2018 06:35:28 am

More Breaking? Zodiac news....

March 25th Article excerpt on the 340 cipher being a hoax....Calls Craig Bauer solution far fetched...excerpt below. Link below that...

"A statistical analysis of the unsolved Zodiak killer cipher shows that it is like fake ciphers and unlike true ones, such as the Zodiak's other, cracked ciphertext. In the chart above, created by Tom S Juzek, the red dot is the unsolved cipher, the purple dot the solved one."

https://boingboing.net/2018/03/25/zodiac-killers-unsolved-code.html

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 03:33:33 am

It does have a solution. It's just not what most people think. The experts are too stuck on it being a homophonic cipher. They refuse to consider any other options. Cryptography is not for the short sighted.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/27/2018 07:13:09 am

I saw the article,fresh,Shawn.

It's cryptographic conspiracy theory.

''Intellectually lazy''.....just like Mr.Horan.

3/27/2018 06:06:31 pm

https://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/karlwerner-1971.jpg

another dali day murderer 4/11/1971

Carl Karas link

3/27/2018 01:30:10 pm

FYI here's my Z 340 solution again with corrections to the filler material, and 2 content letters corrected/updated. Trying a new format so the amount of filler is made more obvious:

Line 1: It interested me a ton, O I get ef on the fun

Line 2: A ton, a knife or a gun t/a/e/e/i Peggey from no

Line 3: Nine fon n/a/e/a/? MK RIP r/?/e/o/k/o/a/e gone are I

Line 4: o/t Tyre e/g/e/o/t/n OO i/u/t/e/a/o/a/r/n/g tyhre eye OO

Line 5: Before ?/o/e go so my thing d/g/n/y/e/?/t/n/e/n/n/g/-/o

Line 6: t/e/i/r/o/e/n/-/g/o/? ton t/f/a/e/e/r/o/r/n/u/a/n/t/r/r/n/f/?/a/t

Line 7: k/g/o/u/?/i/r/t/n/ e/g/a/e/r/r/m/e/i/e/e/o/m/d/?/?/ a/o/o/e/e/n/e/?/m

Line 8: a/a/t/p/n/?/k/n/o/b/a/o/r/o/ ?/m/e/o/o/?/e/?/r/e/e/s/n/o/ i/e/h/a/?/t

Line 9: o/a Fohoni Tonei y/?/y/u/e/o/t/o/e/a/y/e/n/ b/o/n/n/g/-/?/e

Line 10: – Reneor Pontyaoni – Nffi attornney euro

( battling SC!)

There are 10 lines because the bottom half has been placed to the right of the top. As Olsen/FBI had suggested. For other keys check out my blog zodiac fon Kane

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 03:35:41 am

Nah!

3/29/2018 03:21:29 pm

-This is obviously just speculation.
Phyllis Mcguire and Sam Giancana were an item for many years
The Mcguire sisters sang back up for Eileen Barton who married Lawrence Cane in 1945. Phyllis and Sam stayed in the famous CalNava Lodge at Lake Tahoe in 1962 with Marilyn Monroe in attendance. I say this just to show that the connections existed. But, this is all just conjecture the proof as in DNA will never be there for LE.

For the rest of us the truly backward CIA controlled media insinuates that the Monroe Murder in 1962 happened because she was passing secrets from POTUS to the mob, but the truth is just the opposite you can bet on it. Sam was the most powerful serial murderer of all. And, as is alleged he sent James Files to shoot JFK in 1963. The YouTube interview of Files in prison is compelling. However, Larry Kaye/Kane used many alias and stayed on the move all to keep from being caught for his hits which he tailored with the help of mob/CIA connections to confuse the case of the Zodiac. Then a typical disinformation campaign seemed to be implemented in the form of the cyphers and letters which proved to undermine the investigations. Was Cane killing for a mob client like Scientology or the Church of Satan? Or, for a Sidney Gottlieb terror campaign? For a complete list of serial killers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims

The majority of which experienced abuse in childhood, military ptsd or cult like brain washing, or drug abuse that severely effected them. Or, like in Canes case brain damage. This condition of being a serial killer has nothing to do with the man made construct of the devil or evil. Nor, with the supernatural nonexistent realm of an afterlife. The only thing after life ...is death.

Carl Karas link

3/29/2018 03:48:45 pm

Galaxie500's Kane site shows an article about Eileen Barton doing a stage act with Sinatra at the time Kane married her. Likely then he knew Sinatra. Giancana and the Maguire sisters- very interesting! Connection with Kane. What is the source? I don't see Kane as a hitman. Zodiac was out to hurt women in my opinion

3/30/2018 03:48:48 pm

Carl - Thanks
For your Quest of Kane the crazy/hitman.
look at FBI profiles of killers read for six months on said topic.
look at Fuzzy Set theory read for about four months on said topic.
Find this site read it through and through http://jfkmurdersolved.com
Go to YouTube Programed to Kill (watch all 93 docs).
Go to YouTube Albert Anastasia "The Lord High Executioner"
Learn everything about killers.
Read Wikipedia lists of serial killers.
Find commonalities of said group put info into database.
Put set of serial killers into fuzzy set then collate
who was a payed killer vs random ect ect ect.
Some of my findings are that serial killers are crazy
That is to say they are mentally ill, but they are not insane.
Insane means the subject does not know they have done wrong.
Serial killers know what they do is wrong they just don't care.
They are sane. But, they are mentally ill.
Am I saying this is going to lead you to a name for Zodiac.
No.
Am I saying this will sub for DNA.
No.
I am just saying it will give you a generalized picture of a subject
that is man made. Unlike the notion of a supernatural demon.
He was not a Phantom. And nature did not birth him. The Zodiac was not a mutation he was made by man.

A number one commonality is mental illness. SK's are not
evil. Yes, what they do is deviant. But, again evil is a man made construct.
Good and evil - God and the devil, are human inventions. What makes a person good is when confronted with the option between the two the good person chooses to do good - it is a choice. As far as this is established we can say that the serial killer has just a few different profiles but one more
commonality is they choose to kill. Probably the brain defect that they share is the thing that opens them up to deviant choices in the first place. I ran out of time, and need to finish later. Please tell me what you think. Take Care.

4/3/2018 11:39:37 am

The source is YouTube Double Cross Giancana and Marilyn Monroe
Also:
Zodiac enthusiast Alex Lewis (Welsh Chappie)
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/category/larry%20kane
https://welshchappie.wordpress.com
https://lawrencekane.wordpress.com
As far as my hypothesis that Cane was a hitman it's just conjecture.

Ray Jenkins

4/5/2018 03:41:59 pm

Welsh Chappie = Alex Lewis = Zodiac "enthusiast".

So the personal attack is now explained.

Gotta love these highly subjective and emotionally charged "pet suspect theories" almost as much as the highly subjective and emotionally charged "pet cipher solutions". Either way if you prick them you can expect a highly subjective and personal, and extremely emotionally-charged, retaliation. It seems that such theories always have one thing in common. Every action has an equal and opposite but highly mis-directed reaction.

Ray Jenkins

3/29/2018 05:43:52 pm

A multitude of bunny warrens leading everywhere without end, but who needs any real evidence when you've got such a compelling story, right?

Two young people sitting in a lonely spot beside a lake obviously never knew they were about to be tangled forever into this massive and elaborate conspiracy involving the CIA, the Mob, Marilyn Monroe, the JFK assassination, Kane, James Files, and Sinatra, with guest appearances from Satan, Scientology, and countless other "baddies".

Man I hope Quentin Tarantino is reading these posts. He may find very good fodder for an exciting movie plot, and Richard might get sent some royalties to help pay the costs of running his site.

I have even found the perfect theme song for this movie!

The world has gone mad today
And good's bad today,
And black's white today,
And day's night today,
And that gent today
You gave a cent today
Once had several chateaux.
When folks who still can ride in jitneys
Find out Vanderbilts and Whitneys
Lack baby clo'es,
Anything goes.

Just think of those shocks you've got
And those knocks you've got
And those blues you've got
From that news you've got
And those pains you've got
(If any brains you've got)
From those little radios.
So Missus R., with all her trimmin's,
Can broadcast a bed from Simmons
'Cause Franklin knows
Anything goes.

Judith

3/29/2018 10:38:42 pm

Wow, what about aliens?

Ray Jenkins

3/30/2018 03:06:58 am

They are in the CIA's deep freeze at Area 51.

Ray Jenkins

4/5/2018 03:56:36 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNpmJVa10PU

4/10/2018 10:59:26 am

John Warnock Hinckley Jr. read The Catcher in the Rye all day.
Hinckley’s older brother, Scott, had a dinner date scheduled at the home of Neil Bush, the Vice President’s son, the day after the assassination attempt on Reagan. A March 31, 1981 news headline by Associated Press confirmed this: Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting.

George H.W. Bush’s other son, George W. Bush, also admitted to journalists that he may have had dealings with Scott Hinckley who was Vice-President of Vanderbilt Energy.

Project MKUltra
From Wikipedia
The project's intentionally obscure CIA cryptonym is made up of the digraph MK, meaning that the project was sponsored by the agency's Technical Services Staff, followed by the word Ultra which had previously been used to designate the most secret classification of World War II intelligence. Other related cryptonyms include Project MKNAOMI and Project MKDELTA.

The project was headed by Sidney Gottlieb but began on the order of CIA director Allen Welsh Dulles on April 13, 1953. Its aim was to develop mind-controlling drugs for use against the Soviet bloc in response to alleged Soviet, Chinese, and North Korean use of mind control techniques on U.S. prisoners of war during the Korean War. The CIA wanted to use similar methods on their own captives.

George H.W. Bush was Vice-President under Reagan at the time. If he would have pulled off the hit he would have had the power to sweep the connection under the rug.
Bush was head of the CIA when Carter called him to get info on the JFK hit. Bush said No, that is need to know only - and you don't need to know.

RFK was also killed by a Manchurian Candidate. RFK must die RFK must die - Sir han Sir han wrote in his note book over and over and over again. And, every murderer left this calling card signature of the Dali day. 6/6 for RFK. 11/22 for JFK. 4/4 for MLKjr.. 5/2 for J.Edgar Hoover. Even The Gulf of Ton-kin incident was on a Dali day 8/2/64, It was the false flag reason for the Vietnam war. The Dali day signature is the opening evidence we've been waiting for. The Zodiac kills were not on this day by accident. Sidney Gottlieb retired from the CIA in 1972 to stare at goats. MKULTRA is the most evil thing ever devised. They tell us it was moth balled.

Most MKUltra records were destroyed in 1973 by order of CIA director Richard Helms, so it has been difficult for investigators to gain a complete understanding of more than 150 funded research sub-projects sponsored by MKUltra and related CIA programs. Programs which were carried out in more than 80 different institutions.

3/30/2018 12:10:16 pm

Conspiracy is simply two or more involved in some kind of bad. No?
The way you use the term sounds like the vulgar.
The linguistic extrapolation of which is that I am crazy.
If you are trying to talk someone out of being mentally cracked --- this equation is too obvious I am bored bla bla bla.

Howard Miller

4/5/2018 03:46:05 pm

Conspiracy is simply two or more involved in some kind of bad. No! Not when it becomes an extravagant theory, then it is technically a "conspiracy theory".

As Wikipedia defines it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

4/7/2018 09:18:02 am

From Wikipedia
A conspiracy theory is...
The term is often a derogatory one.

Howard Miller

4/7/2018 04:03:09 pm

Pick and choose, pick and choose.

BB, this merely proves how "selective" you are in your thinking.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/30/2018 02:11:47 pm

I can't speak for others,BB.

But I would say that many ''conspiracy theorists'' tend to plump for a controversial explanation,without having examined the more simple probabilities fully....first.

An example being the Twin Towers.....and what made them collapse,the way that they did....and in the relatively short time frame.

For the first two years,no one bothered to consult chemists....who held the true answers,all along.That being that furnaces were created by the ''addition'' of the jet airliners,that reached temperatures,that few could have guessed.

Conspiracy theorists are not always wrong...but usually so,because they tend to latch on to an idea,without looking at all alternatives first.

They are not ''cracked'' people....it is usually a laziness,in their intellectual scope.....and proceed to carry others along with them....who tend to have thought it through,even less.

When we see individuals like Mr.Horan,profit from nihilism....which is,effective denial of the Zodiac Killer at all....many start wondering if the real conspiracy is Mr.Horan lining his own pockets,at the expense of other's ''brief'' stupidity [?].

Ray Jenkins

3/30/2018 04:32:29 pm

Yes Rubislaw, I find it rather sad. I am going to say this in my best possible Jeremy Clarkson voice. There are conspiracy theorists everywhere of course, but America does seem to have more than anywhere else on the planet. I guess in ancient times, Neanderthal man looked up at the stars in wonder and concocted all manner of tall tales to explain the world around him. But Neanderthals really knew no better. It boggles my mind why modern humans still persist in making up extravagant mythologies to explain things that have either already been explained by science, or have other more simpler explanations. Conspiracy theorists have created their own little reference library, so they can actually cite lots of sources. The problem of course is that there is no peer review. All of the conspiracy literature has been written by like-minded conspiracy theorists. So the self-replicating logic is often simply replicating the same subjective biases, over and over, and accumulating and inevitably extrapolating on those existing ideas. Go back to the original sources and you find they are simply making baseless allegations, often to the point of making stuff up or quoting on another conspiracy theorist's hearsay.

There does seem to be a large number of Americans who prefer to believe in these kinds of pseudo-rationalized mythologies, shared by like-minded conspiracy theorists. Strength in numbers provides them with the illusion that what they believe must somehow be true.

Along with the production of an appallingly disproportionate number of serial killers in the USA, has sprung the equally astounding ability of many Americans to dream up elaborate conspiracy theories about just about everything. This does seem to be another common American malady, or perhaps it has become more akin to a "cottage industry" of sorts?

It is interesting that conspiracy theorists always produce a list of ingredients when questioned about their theories. Understanding their theory becomes a subjective and highly selective mental process, which is the metaphorical equivalent of baking a cake. They tell us that we really must read this and that literature first (written by like-minded conspiracy theorists), then watch all 32 episodes of some documentary in their entirety (written and produced by like-minded conspiracy theorists), then go to various internet sites (all created by like-minded conspiracy theorists) in order to even begin to gain an understanding of what they are on about.

This is funny, because aren't they the ones who frequently warn others about brainwashing? lol!

Ray Jenkins

3/31/2018 04:56:39 pm

And of course, Rubislaw, if you do not prescribe to their belief system even after reading all their voluminous literature and watching all their documentaries until your eyes begin to bleed, this simply means you are "asleep" and therefore "need to wake up".

If you persist in your dis-belief, this means you must be "stupid" or "ignorant", because you lack the ability to see it from their narrow and skewed perspective.

If you persist further in your disbelief, this means you are an enemy of that sacred and equally subjective thing called "THE TRUTH", and your reluctance to believe in said Truth probably means you are in league with the conspirators themselves.

Cheers and Happy Easter to you. ;)

3/31/2018 09:47:36 am

Neanderthals had bigger brains.

Ray Jenkins

3/31/2018 04:41:55 pm

And like many early humans their average life expectancy was between 15 and 30. Bigger is not necessarily better.

Howard Miller

3/31/2018 09:26:50 pm

Nature versus nurture? This is one of the oldest philosophical questions within psychology. In order to determine whether a psychopath has been influenced by nature or nurture, we must first define the main characteristics that exist in the psychopath's mind. This is because the circumstances will differ from individual to individual. In the scientific community there is some consensus that psychopathy is largely the result of “nature” (genetics) while sociopathy is more likely to have resulted from “nurture” (environment), but this is a generalization and will not be true in all cases. Psychopathy is thought to be related to a physiological defect resulting from the underdevelopment of the parts of the brain responsible for controlling impulses and emotions.

https://www.mentalhelp.net/blogs/nature-nurture-and-psychopathy/

Gob

10/14/2019 04:08:20 pm

This 12/7/1969 FAIRFIELD letter has a cipher that has a beginning & ending that virtually matches the November 1969 340 Cipher. You caught the beginning but may have missed the end signature...the uncoded part. 340 has the Zodiac sign followed by Greek letters signed “ZODIAC” & 2 characters that look like a backwards “E” and a “T”. These are either ZODIAC’s initials or a 2 lettered name. “Al”, “Ed” or perhaps “Bo”???? The 12/7/1969 cipher has different symbols for the first 3 characters but the last 5 characters absolutely match! (AIK E (backwards!) and +) ZODIAC AL, ZODIAC ED, ZODIAC BO... or as I said, the first & last name initials! Works for me, but who could it be?? If initials we are back at the drawing board!

Chad William Burke

12/23/2019 09:15:18 am

I got

LAYKE BERRYESSA I AM STABBER HIS CARR AER FORS B

Chad William Burke

7/9/2020 11:48:06 am

Short code says JESUS. 4 crosses surround the big one.

Z38 says

Jesus has comm reedem all I stab heaart of girl

THE ZODIAC 38 CHARACTER CODE

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