FBI UPDATE ON THE SLA LETTER

8/26/2020

This letter was postmarked February 3rd 1974 from Los Angeles County, but according to the FBI files was only received by the San Francisco Chronicle on February 14th 1974. This mailing followed the Exorcist letter, widely believed to be the final confirmed correspondence of the Zodiac Killer, mailed on January 29th 1974. There is now strong circumstantial evidence to show that this communication was not mailed by the Zodiac Killer, and was almost certainly authored by a Symbionese Liberation Army member, somebody loosely affiliated with them, or a sympathizer of the group.

The Symbionese Federation & the Symbionese Liberation Army
Declaration of Revolutionary War & the Symbionese Program
August 21, 1973
The Symbionese Federation and The Symbionese Liberation Army is a united and federated grouping of members of different races and people and socialistic political parties of the oppressed people of The Fascist United States of America, who have under black and minority leadership formed and joined The Symbionese Federated Republic and have agreed to struggle together in behalf of all their people and races and political parties’ interest in the gaining of Freedom and Self Determination and Independence for all their people and races.
The Symbionese Federation is not a government, but rather it is a united and federated formation of members of different races and people and political parties who have agreed to struggle in a united front for the independence and self determination of each of their races and people and The Liquidation of the Common Enemy.
And who by this federated formation represent their future and independent pre-governments and nations of their people and races. The Symbionese Federation is not a party, but rather it is a Federation, for its members are made up of members of all political parties and organizations and races of all the most oppressed people of this fascist nation, thereby forming unity and the full representation of the interests of all the people.
The Symbionese Liberation Army is an army of the people, and is made up of members of all the people. The S.L.A. has no political power or political person over it that dictates who will fight and die if needed for the freedom of our people and children, but does not risk their life or fight too for our freedom, but rather the S.L.A. is both political and military in that in the S.L.A. the army officer, whether female or male is also the political officer and they both are the daughters and sons of the people and they both fight as well as speak for the freedom of our people and children.
The Symbionese Federation and The Symbionese Liberation Army is made up of the aged, youth and women and men of all races and people. The name Symbionese is taken from the word symbiosis and we define its meaning as a body of dissimilar bodies and organisms living in deep and loving harmony and partnership in the best interest of all within the body.

"Dear Mr Editor, Did you know that the initials SLA (Symbionese Liberation Army) spell "sla", an old Norse word meaning "kill". a friend".

Roger

8/26/2020 06:46:24 pm

Hi Richard, I am just wondering why you requested this document? The letter really tells us nothing.

Richard

8/26/2020 10:54:51 pm

Just to prove it was February 3rd and not the 14th.

Roger

8/27/2020 01:26:12 am

Ah, okay, thanks.

Rubislaw 32 link

8/26/2020 10:26:54 pm

This is certainly worthy of a highlight , and not to appear as sitting on the fence about it , nor oppose other's opinions .

The standout '' bad smell '' about this letter , is the claim that the postmark is February 3rd 1974 , which is the day before the kidnapping of Patty Hearst - an event that put focus on the gulfs in political philosophies within America's society , and the reality of a counter revolution.....like no other .

And , here we apparently see the cocky , brazen and '' know all '' Zodiac , missing the '' day of reckoning '' by a single day , with a '' throwaway '' and largely pointless observation , for which he simply had to inform the authorities .

I believe that the Zodiac's actual output , over matters related to the SLA , and designed to , naturally goad and tease , was quite a bit greater than this letter alone . But , this output as been reduced to virtual insignificance , by the authorities to , what amounts to a '' cut & paste '' of a single letter , from him .

I think that , at the very least , it makes the identity of the still concealed signatory of the 2001 New Years Card , as being :

'' A friend '' - and with 90% certainty .

It's a nice official letter , Richard , to have as a keepsake , of the pettiness of law enforcement , and how they sometimes become diverted , in pursuit of actually catching the criminal , by over-complicating the case with seemingly over complicating strategies .

We are probably observing something of the Zodiac - but not as we are used to .

More to the point , perhaps , a thoroughly unimpressive side to the FBI .

Richard

8/27/2020 09:19:28 am

Nothing wrong in opposing other peoples opinions Rubislaw, if you have a different take. I know you believe the SLA letter to be Zodiac (as do many others), of which you are perfectly entitled to. I may not agree, but so what. The problem is that it is difficult for me to discuss this letter pertaining to Zodiac theories on it, if I reject the initial premise. I like the 2001 card with respect to the 1990 card, but whether either are Zodiac is anybody's guess based on just two similar (and yet unproven) envelope characteristics. Some reject the Feb 3rd date, but even if I get a better image of the envelope and it says Feb 3rd, some people have already predetermined in their mind, it will make no difference to their belief of Zodiac authorship. If every single authenticated Zodiac communication was found to have the same DNA fingerprint, but the SLA was a different genetic fingerprint (and that of a woman), certain people would still claim its Zodiac. You can never change a mind that is already made up.

Richard

8/27/2020 09:27:20 am

In fact, if the postmark does say Feb 3rd, they will still believe it's the 14th and just invent another story to circumvent the truth. Zodiac myths are hard to dispel - and I am perfectly aware this letter will be attributed February 14th forever, no matter what the truth is.

Richard

8/27/2020 09:29:53 am

So I actually don't know why I applied to the FBI for a better image. Go figure.

Richard

8/27/2020 09:44:20 am

Somebody said "I won't believe the February 3rd postmark until I see it with my own two eyes". Using this premise, next time I look through the LHR and BRS police reports, I will indiscrimately reject everything I see in these reports, until I can actually corroborate everything with a picture or photograph. In fact, it's lucky we have the envelopes to each letter on display, because without them, I would have forever rejected Zodiac mailed any letters. .

Rubislaw 32 link

8/27/2020 02:51:06 pm

I'm not really opposing your opinion , Richard , for I don't believe the SLA letter to be a Zodiac correspondence , in a literal sense .

Technically I believe it to be so , since I think it to be a short letter constructed by the FBI , having taken a pair of scissors and glue to a longer Zodiac letter , and then claimed on its emergence .

The reality seems to be that we observe LE's tweaking and smoothing over the Zodiac mail , to suit their strategy purposes , at times....as opposed to an actual documentation of events .

And , I think that we observe the working of the case on a more magnified level , with events such as the Kathleen Johns abduction claim and the Robert Salem crime scene '' wall decorating '' .

Once LE have contracted themselves to a lie or misrepresentation of the truth , there is no turning back for them , and will defend their version of events to the hilt . It's just that certain accusations levelled at the Zodiac , will never come to court as part of a prosecution , if he ever is apprehended .

So , in a technical sense , I do believe you are correct to call out the SLA letter , as a '' phoney '' .

Shawn

8/27/2020 04:44:46 pm

Good Find Richard.

How long did it take to get a response?

Is there anything else you have put a FOIA out on?

You might be on the quick turnaround list being from England. :)

Richard

8/28/2020 12:33:29 am

About 3 days Shawn. I may try to get a redacted version of the FBI file for the November 21st 1969 San Jose code letter and the identity and location of the San Jose widow he threatened.

Roger

8/28/2020 04:11:54 pm

I am actually very surprised that the FBI could still find it. LOL!

Rubislaw 32 link

8/27/2020 05:48:59 am

Zodiac ( ? ) can write '' kill '' , more than one way .

Billy Graham FBI File 2 , Page 86 .

Richard

8/27/2020 03:24:57 pm

Do you find this curious Rubislaw? On October 27th 1970, the Zodiac Killer mailed the Halloween card with a portrait of death in the form of skeletons. This was the only time (outside of ciphers), the Zodiac Killer ever used a Z to represent Zodiac. The only death related or connected to Zodiac at Halloween was the discovery of Cheri Jo Bates on Halloween morning. The Bates letters were the only other time we saw two Z's mailed together. Or at least interpreted to be Z's. Three weeks after the Halloween card, the connection was made by Avery through Phil Sins. Was the Zodiac hoping that the death imagery, Halloween and the two Z's would force somebody like Phil Sins or Paul Avery to make the connection, so he could then belatedly claim her murder with the fakery of surprise, when he deliberately engineered this conclusion by creating the Halloween card. He was claiming 4-TEEN at this point (Faraday, Jensen, Snoozy and Furlong). Was he insinuating Bates as another teenager outside the Zodiac umbrella. Or is it just coincidental that he used two Z's for the first time ever?

Rubislaw 32 link

8/27/2020 04:13:55 pm

Certainly tweaked my curiosity on the 4-TEEN aspect to Avery's Halloween card , Richard . (...I'll think on about Z employment...).

You're the first I've seen to suggest that it could account for Faraday ,Jensen , Snoozy and Furlong .

Yes indeed , the first time that Zodiac feels that he must push forward the lie for Snoozy and Furlong , having contracted himself to those murders .

Previously , that has been the '' domain '' of Z148 and the Monticello Card , and circa May 1971 onward .

Roger

8/27/2020 05:39:39 pm

For many years I have had reasons to doubt the authenticity of the Halloween card. It comes across as far too artistic for the Zodiac. It is very overtly "cartoonish" in fact. It even uses as the return address a symbol that would have been immediately recognizable to staff of the SF Chronicle at the time, mainly because it was THEIR return address! So this card has all the hallmarks (pardon the pun) of being an elaborate "in-joke". BUT it also contains elements that connect it to other Zodiac correspondence. Time-wise it came three months after the Little List letter, and was mailed on October 27th 1970. The Z 340 was sent almost a year earlier, on November 8th, 1969. So it is PLAUSIBLE that an artist or cartoonist who was close to the case, and who had been scrutinizing the 340 very closely, had noticed the cross-like format and decided to draw a crossed Paradise/Slaves, and add the 4 "BY" manners of death from an old western cartoon. But once we presume the author of the Halloween card was an artist or cartoonist, we must also presume he was able to connect the dots relating to concepts that were obscure in the 340. So this suggests we must also be willing to presume the author of the 340 cipher was one and the same person. What does this mean? That the letter writer was none other than a well-known cartoonist who had an active interest in the case? This possibility truly boggles my mind! But it is one that continues to nag at me nevertheless.

Richard

8/28/2020 03:29:34 am

It's perfectly plausible that the person who designed the Halloween card recognized the Paradice/Slaves configuration in the 340 and effectively mimicked it. It's not like it's a difficult feature to notice. I tend towards it being genuine because I believe the Fairfield letters were hinting at the 340 as well, which I think show a connection to the Belli letter. But if you don't buy into the Fairfield letters (which I suspect), then this argument fails for you. But I agree, if we exclude the December 7th and 16th letters, a solid argument can be made for somebody who just spotted the design residing in the 340 cipher. But this person would also had to have then unearthed the Tim Holt Death Wheel configuration as well.

Roger

8/28/2020 04:56:29 pm

"It's perfectly plausible that the person who designed the Halloween card recognized the Paradice/Slaves configuration in the 340 and effectively mimicked it."

Clearly you are looking at this with the benefit of hindsight.

1) Who was the very first person to write about the 4 "BY" symbols in the 4 segments of the 340 and notice a paradice/slaves resemblance in the central axis of the cipher? How recent was that?

2) Who was the first person to make the connection with the Western comic book? Also, how recent was that?

You cannot suggest that a hoaxer way back then could have made those leaps in understanding, let alone actually noticed the extremely obscure paradice/slaves reference in the 340 (missing letters and badly spaced) or understood the relevance of the 4 "BY" symbols, which are in fact not positioned precisely enough for anyone to be certain they belong neatly to 4 segments at all... and there is the reversed spelling "YB" to consider too. So to place all that into a context without the benefit of hindsight is a bit hard for me to believe sorry.

The only way we can make sense of this is if:- 1) the 2 authors were the same, 2) the author of the 340 was so impressed by the work of a hoaxer that he was happy to consider it his own work, 3) the author of the 340 was entirely unaware of the existence of the card, 4) there were two authors who were in cahoots, or 5) the second author had ESP.

The most logical and plausible thing to suggest is 1) the two authors were one and the same. Still there will always be a great discrepancy between the Zodiac's often hastily scribbled and very smudgy letters with their numerous spelling mistakes and bits crossed out, and the seemingly very meticulous and pedantic cards and ciphers. They often appear like the work of two entirely different people, and in fact the Halloween card went that extra mile in terms of neatness and perfection. All this just to scare a reporter? Perhaps this simply says something about the Zodiac's personality. He could be a pedantic perfectionist one minute, then be prone to sudden excesses of chaos and anarchy. I suspect this is not all that unusual if we consider he most likely suffered from a serious mental disorder which may have been amplified by various drugs. So in theory he could have been in control and calm and relatively normal at times only to turn into a frenzied and highly agitated monster at other times. But regardless of this, I will always have my reservations about the Halloween card, for reasons already stated. 1) It strikes me as being the work of a professional artist and cartoonist, and 2) it used a symbol that the staff would have recognized as their internal return address. It just comes across looking like a rather sick "in-joke" to me, rather than the work of a crazed serial killer. Even the ciphers were not as "perfect" and "considered" in their design as this card. Well I guess another way to explain this might be that Avery was correct when he said Zodiac was a latent homosexual, and so Zodiac made that extra special bit of effort to design a very "arty" card to send to Avery. I don't know how the mind of a psychopath works. I would have expected, if Zodiac really was so angry with Avery, he would have sent him some highly frantic and scribbled note telling him he would be next. But no, we get this very well-designed card that could have come from his best friend. So is this just evidence of a psychopath doing the exact opposite of what everyone expects? I guess we will never know. *shrug*

Richard

8/29/2020 01:29:25 am

When I discovered the Zodiac Killer for the first time in 2012 the Paradice/Slaves had already been discovered by somebody called Jos Kirps. I don't know if he was the first on the internet, but prior to the inception of the internet, there could have been any number of people to spot this. I don't think you need a great leap of understanding to make such connections. I often think that so many are looking for profound and convoluted answers to many of these puzzles, whereas often they are extremely simplistic.

Without blowing my own trumpet and whether you buy into the broader explanation, why apparently did nobody for 48 years place the crosshairs with black circle over a compass rose and discover it was positioned at 4 rads + magnetic north, set from the arrow and zero position. This is an extremely simple concept that is repeatable and easy to understand. Are we to believe nobody really spotted this. But my guess is, its universally rejected even though it cannot be disproved and requires no manipulation whatsoever. I personally think the Paradice/Slaves connection is an easy spot and adheres to the same concept, that it's simple, easy to understand and cannot be disproved, because it exists. Whether it was intended is another matter. The problem is, this simplicity often doesn't tally with a devious, evil genius, of epic intellect, which is often what people are searching for. At the end of the day Roger, we all tend to believe what we believe and it's extremely difficult to convince anybody of anything today. It is always nice when people agree with a theory or idea we are presenting, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter whether everybody rejects it, because that has no bearing on whether it's right or wrong. The argument ad populum is such a fallacy, where because the majority of people believing something to be true (even to 99.9%) doesn't mean it is. One example would be the first and only person stating the Earth was round and everybody else in the world believing it was flat. They were all wrong. I am totally satisfied with the Paradice/Slaves connection, because it doesn't just rely on a comparison between Halloween card and 340 cipher, as people attempt to paint it.

Roger

8/29/2020 01:38:04 am

I hear what you are saying. I just have trouble buying it without the benefit of hindsight.

Shawn

8/29/2020 02:32:27 pm

Maybe someone can put in a FOIA to see if they found the Aug 4th 1969 letter envelope.

I cannot remember if the FBI vault says it was received without an envelope or not.

Richard

8/30/2020 01:14:36 am

The "no address" strongly indicates the letter was devoid of an envelope. It has never been listed as arriving with an envelope from day one.

Rubislaw 32 link

8/27/2020 03:32:53 pm

I see that you have done a good clean-up job on the envelope for the Midnight Murder Mystery Halloween card for Robert Graysmith , Richard .

Still no definitive proof , on the date of that correspondence ( ? ) .

There is '' The Hours '' , by Philip Glass , to consider , but it could have still been sent between a few years , as a prospective parameter .

Rubislaw 32 link

8/27/2020 03:37:01 pm

The Hours - music by Philip Glass , to the film of the same name - 2002 .

Richard

8/27/2020 03:46:30 pm

I initially thought 2002 sounded more realistic because of The Hours, Phillip Glass and the Zodiac Unmasked book. But Seagull reckons the stamp wasn't issued until May 2003. I just thought 2002/3 was more relevant to contact Graysmith because of the statement "Hope that you are thinking about writing another book. I'll help you". Why would you quote a CD release from 2002, and mention "about writing another book" seven years after the fact. This correspondence is much more suited to 2003 than 2010. But Sandy reckons she was told 2010. So your guess is as good as mine Rubislaw. Not convinced it was Zodiac however. But stranger things have happened.

Richard

8/27/2020 03:52:56 pm

In the late 1990s and early 2000s, Glass's lyrical and romantic styles peaked with a variety of projects: operas, theatre and film scores (Martin Scorsese's Kundun, 1997, Godfrey Reggio's Naqoyqatsi, 2002, and Stephen Daldry's The Hours, 2002), a series of five concerts, and three symphonies centered on orchestra-singer and orchestra-chorus interplay. Two symphonies, Symphony No. 5 "Choral" (1999) and Symphony No. 7 "Toltec" (2004), and the song cycle Songs of Milarepa (1997) have a meditative theme. The operatic Symphony No. 6 Plutonian Ode (2002) for soprano and orchestra was commissioned by the Brucknerhaus, Linz, and Carnegie Hall in celebration of Glass's sixty-fifth birthday, and developed from Glass's collaboration with Allen Ginsberg (poet, piano—Ginsberg, Glass), based on his poem of the same name.

Richard

8/27/2020 04:02:54 pm

It's rather ironical you should mention The Hours on an article about the SLA letter Rubislaw. The film The Hours was released in the UK on February 14th 2003. The only date I'm trying to expunge.

Rubislaw 32 link

8/27/2020 04:38:25 pm

Yes , I am convinced that , to date , 2010 as Ms.Betts has been informed , is far too advanced a claim , and that the early years of the turn of the century , to be far more realistic .

What further clues could be offered up to find an accurate claim ?

Well , of course I am pushing for the May 27th 2009 letter to the IRS , in Knoxville , now...with reference to the author's birthday , and '' The Midnight Hour '' , together with a host of other possible clues .
( Billy Graham FBI File 2 , Pages 244-247 ) .

But , another possible consideration , is the often forgotten representations made , by Lyndon Lafferty to President George W Bush . Mr.Bush even spoke about it on national news across America . An acceptance that an apparent backlog of suspects and POI's was clogging up the case .

And , hence the laboratory work carried out by the FBI , on behalf of the CA DOJ , 2002/2003 .

This , must have had an impact on the Zodiac ( ? ) , in some form and , no doubt sparked him into action , with pen and paper .

Richard

8/28/2020 03:36:31 am

We really need to get the correct date to ascertain the letter's authenicity and purpose. I cannot clear the image up any more, so if it is October 27th 2010, then it's probably wise to look for newspaper articles just prior to this date, or any concerts/theatre shows by Phillip Glass that inspired this communication. Everything about it shouts early 2000s, so we need more.

Rubislaw 32 link

8/28/2020 03:54:56 am

Certainly agreed on the '' early 2000's '' and , tantalisingly possible as Zodiac authentic .

Mr.Fagan was given them , and obviously decided to use them as a gift to the public , through a public relations exercise of '' getting to know the Zodiac internet fraternity ''.

And , Zamantha and Sandy Betts were the lucky recipients who , fulfilled their obligations of making the pages and card freely available for viewing .

So , the likelihood of being handed '' duds '' by the FBI ( ? ) are slim .Although there does seem a little creepiness involved , in the reference to (actual) stalking of Robert Graysmith .

But....dare I say...here we are again where , Mr.Fagan might actually know a little more than he has divulged ( ? ) .

I think that '' 2010 '' is all wrong , and does nothing to assist finding more information .

Rubislaw 32 link

8/28/2020 12:36:49 am

A new alphabet for the Zodiac ?

1967 saw the marketing of the first hand-held '' pocket calculators '' , by Texas Instruments . Expensive to start with , and normally only seen in offices , their price reduced dramatically over the next 4 years , with competition and mass marketing .

A pocket calculator screen could display the ten digits , 0 - 9 , and a decimal point .

One new seen novelty was a limited , but usable alphabet , if one viewed the screen upside-down ,

The following , was a usable alphabet :

0 = O
1 = I
2 = Z
3 = E
4 = h
5 = S
6 = g
7 = L
8 = B
9 = b

So , for example , if we take the word '' TEEN ''

TEEN can convert , through fundamental positional substitution , to :

20 5 5 14

Then , punch the numbers into a pocket calculator , and the following emerges , when viewed upside-down :

h I S S O Z

Might be a clue there , to solve some simple apparent codes , single numbers , or single alphabetic letters .

Rubislaw 32 link

8/28/2020 12:52:41 am

...'' His , so Z '' ( ? ) .

Richard

8/28/2020 03:44:57 am

Robert Graysmith released this book on February 2nd 2010: The Girl in Alfred Hitchcock's Shower : a murder that became a real-life mystery, a mystery that became an obsession.
About The Girl in Alfred Hitchcock’s Shower

Marli Renfro was Janet Leigh’s body double in the Hitchcock classic Psycho. When she disappeared, it was believed she was the victim of a serial killer. It was a mystery that took decades to solve-and a crime that could only have happened in Hollywood.

In 2010, the Zodiac Killer murder mystery was 4 decades old and involved a serial killer. Maybe this is what the author of the October 27th 2010 letter was referring to when they stated "Hope that you are thinking about writing another book. I'll help you".

Richard

8/28/2020 03:47:54 am

During the filming of Psycho, Janet Leigh also had a stand-in to check lighting. Her name was Myra Davis, also known as Myra Jones. In 1988 Davis was raped and murdered by her neighbor and handyman Kenneth Dean Hunt. Possibly due to fascination with the shower scene, sections of the media confused Davis's role and published that she had been Leigh's body double. The BBC went further and not only asserted that Davis was Leigh's body double, but also that Davis was the voice of Norman Bates' mother, although this character had been voiced by Virginia Gregg and Jeanette Nolan. In his 2002 book Body Double, author Don Lasseter compounded the confusion and wrote that Davis and Renfro were the same person, meaning that Renfro was dead.

Author Robert Graysmith, who had a lifelong fascination with Renfro, noted a comment by Davis's granddaughter that Davis would never have done nude work. He set out to find Renfro and discovered that she was living in California. He subsequently wrote a book, The Girl in Alfred Hitchcock's Shower (2010), about Renfro's role in Psycho and the confusion over Davis's death.

You even have the Bates link.

Richard

8/28/2020 04:11:36 am

The Essential Philip Glass by Philip Glass on Audio CD was released in 2010. Maybe this triggered the author's memory of The Hours etc

Richard

8/28/2020 04:22:19 am

The author writes "My Count of Monte Cristo. For Robert. Shattered Remains. Alexandre Dumas said “Life is a storm, my young friend. You will bask in the sunlight one moment, be shattered on the rocks the next. What makes you a man is what you do when that storm comes. You must look into that storm and shout as you did in Rome. Do your worst, for I will do mine! Then the fates will know you as we know you”

Richard

8/28/2020 04:26:03 am

2009 44 c Purple Heart

https://www.mysticstamp.com/Products/United-States/4390/USA/

Rubislaw 32 link

8/28/2020 04:31:29 am

Very interesting . I'm going to have another look at the pages and card .

Of note possibly ( ? ) , is that October 27th is the 40th anniversary of the postmark for Avery's Halloween Card .

The SF Chronicle did receive some criticism for holding the ( Avery) card's publication back , until October 31st ( Halloween ) . Some critics made the point that the card could have been published , as early as October 29th .

The SF Chronicle wished to '' make hay '' ( ? ) , and did , as recorded , break all records for sales in a single day .

Richard

8/28/2020 04:39:56 am

The author of the letter wrote "Have been on the website to see if anything is going on. The same old bullshit. Hope that you are thinking about writing another book. I'll help you".

The only post Robert Graysmith made on his Facebook "website" in 2010 was "The Girl in Alfred Hitchcock's Shower".
https://www.facebook.com/RobertGraysmithInk/

Rubislaw 32 link

8/28/2020 07:36:36 am

I am presuming there is no proof of this October 27th 2010 date , Richard ( ? ) .

I see that Ms.Betts mentions that she and Zamantha were guests , for lunch , at the SF Chronicle Offices , on January 1st 2011 . Just over two months after the claimed date of the card .

That almost sounds as if the FBI didn't want much to do with the card ( ? ) .

And , then Tahoe 27 weighs in with a '' half-belief '' that the card is from a certain Ms.Perez .

If the card is '' possibly authentic '' - then it looks like a certain '' Mr.Fagan '' has been a little '' economic with the truth '' ( ? ) .

What's new ?

I still give the card chances of being authentic , but from an earlier time .

Richard

8/28/2020 08:37:29 am

Irrespective of what Fagan says, a case can be made for an earlier mailing date, but equally the 2010 book by Graysmith is another viable argument. But the clincher is the single 44c stamp on the envelope being issued in 2009. The 44c stamp rate came in on May 11th 2009 in the USA, so a 44c single stamp couldn't have been on this envelope prior to this date. Therefore, this letter could only have been mailed in 2009 or 2010. So, if Kevin Fagan said October 27th 2010, he is in all likelihood correct. The Girl in Alfred Hitchcock's Shower is likely the book the writer is part referencing by suggesting a new book. All we have to do is find the reason for The Hours and Phillip Glass, eight years after their release. Memory is the obvious choice, other than a current trigger.

Richard

8/28/2020 08:39:26 am

So to answer your question Rubislaw - there is proof the letter was mailed in either 2009 or 2010. In light of what Kevin Fagan stated, one has to conclude he was correct.

Rubislaw 32 link

8/28/2020 08:58:07 am

It's always possible , Richard .

I have to admit that part of the time , I hope that Mr.Fagan will hear of what I have written , and elect to engage with me , here at your site .

Mr.Avery , I believe , would not be best pleased at who ended up , filling his boots , at the SF Chronicle . But then , Mr.Avery would probably have not been trusted by agencies like the FBI , as Mr.Fagan appears to have been .

Richard

8/28/2020 09:40:40 am

I doubt Kevin Fagan has ever heard of this site, let alone visited it. So you could have an extremely long wait to converse with him. I bet he's not even interested in the Zodiac case anymore. Send him an email. Last time I contacted him, at least he replied despite the fact he couldn't help me.

Rubislaw 32 link

8/28/2020 10:31:07 am

But he knows who I am , and has stealth-fully been avoiding me , for three years now .

If there is a resolution to the case , he can be sure that there will be a dumping on him ,all of his prevarication , and from a great height .

In a way , I can sympathise with the Zodiac's feelings towards Robert Graysmith . Though , one should never really sympathize with the Zodiac , about anything .

But , Mr.Fagan can be sure that the bereaved of victims will get to hear about all his '' priorities '' , that certainly didn't include them .

It's a promise , from me .

Rubislaw 32 link

8/28/2020 08:41:02 am

The author of the letter to the IRS , on May 27th 2009 , starts :

'' Tell ( redacted - Robert Graysmith ? ) that he if he wants to be my friend , he had better come across with my Top Secret manuscript I wrote in May of '87 - '' Confidential '' .

So , '' one '' interpretation could be that '' Zodiac '' sent Graysmith Zodiac's truthful interpretation of events , in the wake ( May 1987 ) of Graysmith's book fast becoming a bestseller , based on what the Zodiac believes to be '' lies '' - and making it plain that he , The Zodiac , was not Arthur Leigh Allen .

But , the insinuation is , that Robert Graysmith had dissmissed this May 1987 manuscript , as from a hoaxer and , certainly not suiting what Graysmith needed to hear .

More to the point , perhaps , the Zodiac is telegraphing that he knows now , that Graysmith didn't do his civic duty , and hand the received manuscript over to the FBI .

So , effectively , what the Zodiac is doing now , is ratting on Graysmith to the FBI - since the Zodiac knows '' darn well '' that this May 27th 2009 letter to the IRS , will be handed over to the FBI , anyway .

And the FBI will know that Graysmith was holding back the '' manuscript '' from them , all this time , since 1987 .

Game , set and match to the Zodiac ?

But Graysmith still ended up , a very wealthy man , in the two years following the release of the Fincher film '' Zodiac '' .

Richard

8/28/2020 09:14:07 am

Try and get a redacted version Rubislaw. If that said Robert Graysmith it would be a great find, especially in respect to the October 1987 letter. Whether they would release the hidden name I don't know, because if the person was still alive - maybe not. But it's worth a try. What have you got to lose. About 10 minutes. Identity the manuscript and you will identify the author. It's an intriguing letter worth including or excluding.

https://efoia.fbi.gov/?forbidden#home

Rubislaw 32 link

8/28/2020 09:29:20 am

You are right , of course , and I should try to do this .

This , I believe , is an extremely telling letter , and treats Rev.Billy Graham '' moderately well '' , since the Zodiac is saving all his sarcasm and venom for Mr.Graysmith .

The '' superimposed '' writing on the envelope is , I believe , the Zodiac's also , and the FBI are simply demonstrating that its author is the same person who , writes the letter , with '' joined-up '' handwriting .

This letter , in particular , is what everyone overlooked , in light of the '' Get Ready '' message at Diablo College , and Mr.Fagan's publication of the 2001 New Years Card , Just when we were all bracing ourselves , for the 50th anniversary of Lake Herman Road .

'' God Bless AMERCIA '' - yes , Zodiac followers can dig that - from the Zodiac's perspective .

Shawn

8/28/2020 10:55:18 am

I am still suspicious of the Exorcist letter being Zodiac.

I cannot understand how this letter received probably on Jan. 30 by police and on Jan 31 the AP and UPI says the letter is genuine zodiac.

This letter was not signed Zodiac....2 1/2 years since a Zodiac letter and this oddball letter with a brief reference to the Mikado maybe similar handwriting can be certified Zodiac less than 24 hours from receiving.

UNLESS the police know something we do not to confirm letters. Like licking the envelope flap only in the middle.

Richard

8/28/2020 11:07:31 am

Yes, I'm sort of 50/50, especially considering my liking the "Kill" connection to the SLA. I certainly don't believe that the next three 1974 letters are Zodiac, so did Zodiac just hop back for one letter only. The only thing that separates the Exorcist letter from the other three, is a running total, the misspelling and the usual threats. But why wait two to three years and just comment on a random film and regurgitate The Mikado. Couldn't he have said "I am back with you", like in 1978. If I could know for certain that the DNA matched the 1978 letter, I would tend to go with Zodiac. I don't disbelieve Mike, but it's always nice to have that official confirmation.

Richard

8/28/2020 10:57:29 am

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Rubislaw 32 link

8/29/2020 02:27:43 pm

Just some thoughts , if anyone feels inclined to pick up on .

Genuinely interested in all the possible links , Richard , to Graysmith's Halloween Card . First time I've seen Hitchcock back , since Fairfield second letter . I see that the contributor '' Seagull '' is still sticking with early 2000's on the card - perhaps there could be a connection to Graysmith's '' Zodiac Unmasked '' publication ( 2002 ) .It is of interest , I think , that previously this subject has mostly been discussed by women and , largely about whether the author of the card and pages could have been by the hand of a woman .

'' You are my Count of Monte Cristo '' ( ? ) - sounds more like what a woman might say to a man . Perhaps just the Zodiac with a tender disposition ( ? ) . He was probably a manic depressive , after all , and bound to be '' up and down like a yo-yo '' in temperament and mood swing ( ? ) . If we accept all 5 possible correspondences from December 1969 , he certainly was '' manic '' .

When did the Zodiac physically leave Vallejo ? Taking a few things for granted , I really am persuaded that his Halloween Card to Paul Avery , was his farewell from the Bay area . '' Bye Paul Avery , Bye '' ; '' Bye Dee , Bye '' .

If Lafferty's library finds are accepted , then the Zodiac's physical presence could just be : February 1968 - October 1970 .

Two and a half years . and possibly only half of that period , in reality , with vacations , some long weekends , work courses and even business overseas...away . But ,if Greater L.A. was his primary home - then not that far away .

Terrorism by proxy ( ? ) .

8/29/2020 04:46:29 pm

On Saint Vincent DePaul's day September 27, 1969

At 7:40 p.m., the killer called the Napa County Sheriff's office from a pay telephone to report this latest crime. The caller first stated to the operator that he wished to "report a murder - no, a double murder," before stating that he had been the perpetrator of the crime. The phone was found, still off the hook, minutes later at the Napa Car Wash on Main Street in Napa by KVON radio reporter Pat Stanley [PS] Wikipedia

This clearly demonstrates a great degree of design that went into this thing. Something that was not done by some random serial killer that they want you to think but by an intelligence outfit hired to get their guy elected 37th President of the United States in office January 20, 1969 – August 9, 1974

California is the most important state because it has the most delegates. The times were a changing. There is a well recognized thing that takes place every election year in the 40 days before super Tuesday.
It is often referred to as the October surprise. It is a conspiratorial event or claim that takes place to get
people to be confused in the last few days before they vote. It is a trick that the intelligence groups use to get their base mobilized. To get people to vote against their own interests. Get ready for their games.

Brawndo

8/29/2020 05:13:03 pm

Trump seems to be doing a very good job of hoodwinking and confusing the masses without needing any help from conspiratorial parties. The movie Idiocracy has become real. Very soon all Americans will be inoculated with a drink called Trumpdoh because it got what stupid people need... electrolytes, with a dash of bleach.

mr grumpy

8/29/2020 06:01:09 pm

Sorry guys. I tried my best but this is the most confusing comments section that I have experienced so far. What in the hell is the Oct 2010 letter? I was reading about the SLA letter and Halloween card and am now totally lost. I reread the comments several times but am running out of years. Where does the discussion of this other letter come in?

Roger

8/29/2020 06:55:13 pm

mr grumpy, you're not alone. I frequently get totally lost. But in my case I tend to be stuck at around about 1972 as a cut off date for Zodiac communications. The vast majority of the others come across to me as the work of very obvious hoaxers, or other people trying to ride the waves of infamy. I don't buy into any of the FBI conspiracy theories relating to faked Zodiac correspondence either. Most of this stuff as late as 2010 and later I consider to be spurious waffle and just ignore it. But that is just my opinion. I find the earlier stuff confusing enough, let alone add more confusion to the mix.

Mr Grumpy

8/31/2020 02:54:33 pm

Thank you. After rereading this comment section until I went blind I found something referred to as the Midnight Murder Mystery Haloween Card. Good grief. Couldn't sleep for about 3 nights. This stuff just keeps showing up. Instead of concentrating on what we know, imagination and speculation rule the day

Roger

8/31/2020 04:34:06 pm

Haha! I agree with you entirely Mr Grumpy. Most times I just shrug and laugh and move on from all the speculation and wild imaginations. I guess I am only commenting now because of the valid point you raise. Reading some of the comments on this page, most sane and rational people would laugh and consider much of it to be the work of armchair speculators who seek to impress us. It is like a game of "my wild speculation and imagination is superior to yours, so that makes me an expert and you just a rank amateur"! The commentary is designed to impress us more with a plethora of derailments from these very fertile imaginations. Yes indeed, rather than concentrate on what we do actually know, imagination and speculation (based on those wild imaginings) tend to rule the day. Probably one of the best examples on this page would be that the name Paul Averly was a deliberate misspelling which pays tribute to Paul's morning trips to the LAV (a very English term). I mean, come on now, seriously?! One sometimes wonders who is kidding or trying to fool who? There is perhaps one bright side to all of this. I often come on pages like this one to read the comments whenever I need a good laugh. A total train wreck derailment into the extraordinary abyss of wild imaginings would describe it well. One could not be better entertained watching a Harry Potter movie. Here we may also find the greatest wizards of imagination since Albus Dumbledore.

8/29/2020 06:11:49 pm

LOL Brawndo

Though I was just a bug at the time I do remember mom standing me on the top of our Pontiac to see RFK give a speech on the back of his train.
He won California and was going to be our next President.
But he was eliminated, and they never tried to find the bullets "lost" in the ceiling.

The Zodiac = ME-37
Richard Nixon = 37th

Rubislaw 32 link

8/30/2020 01:58:39 am

Fascinating BB . Can't top that .

My father explaining to me what John Glenn was actually doing , in a plane without wings , and actually bumping into Paul McCartney in a church yard - a conversation about Eleanor Rigby ? (..no , he thanked me for not taking his photograph ...) ....comes close , but '' no cigar '' .

Although I might know the Zodiac . He phones me regularly ( ...just two days ago , the last time..) . Exciting , if you enjoy '' heavy breathing '' . What a wanker...though he has threatened to '' sue my ass '' .

'' RFK '' is an impressive memory . The preacher man .

Rubislaw 32 link

8/30/2020 05:06:39 am

Assassination of Martin Luther King , April 4th 1968

Assassination of Robert Kennedy , June 5th 1968

The ( presumed ) Zodiac's Channel 9 letter , May 2nd 1978 .

Was the Zodiac's letter a 10th anniversary marking of '' two '' Lay Preachers' murders ? (...and observation of no real progress in Black civil rights...) .

Melrose Avenue KHJ-TV studios , within a kilometre of Good Samaritan Hospital , where Bobby Kennedy died .

'' LAIC '' as mirror image on the May 2nd 1978 envelope , means '' Lay Preacher '' .

Rubislaw 32 link

8/30/2020 05:47:57 am

Strangely perhaps ( for me ) , I believe that the Zodiac's primary home , was Memphis , TN , at the time of Martin Luther King's murder , April 4th 1968 . Then , subsequently moving ( back ) to L.A. , in the summer of 1969 .

Hence , that which appears to be messaged , in the Zodiac's '' Day-by-Day '' forecast '' cut & paste '' 's , in December 1969 .

'' Lake Berryessa '' and '' Presidion Heights '' - on top of moving primary home , from Memphis to Los Angeles ?

The Zodiac certainly seems to have been a '' busy boy '' .

But , now he could focus just on highway motoring . No more civil air travel - for the time being .

Rubislaw 32 link

8/30/2020 06:18:54 am

Concerned Citizen Letter - August 10th 1969 .

Lake Berryessa attack - September 27th 1969.

One day short of 7 weeks between the two possible visitations of the Zodiac .

Hmmm....a lot can be achieved in 7 weeks .

Particularly if a young man is willing to embrace the pace of life .

Rubislaw 32 link

8/30/2020 06:47:39 am

Can anyone think of others that might be described as '' Laics '' ?

Well , there is a famous born-again Protestant Evangelist , called Rev.Billy Graham .

And also . a certain resident of Fairfield , CA , who had whipped up quite a local following , as a lay preacher for both the Catholic Church , and Alcoholics Anonymous .

Hmmm.....

8/31/2020 08:47:30 am

Rubislaw32

Kennedy was pronounced dead at 1:44 a.m. (PDT) on June 6, nearly 26 hours after the shooting. Wikipedia

Robert and his brother John are buried next to the eternal flame in
Arlington National Cemetery It was established during the Civil War on the grounds of Arlington House, which had been the estate of Confederate general Robert E. Lee's wife Mary Anna Custis Lee.

1969 was so turbulent because of MLK jr.'s and RFK's murders in 1968.
That is the back drop for the Zodiac killer's counter terrorism of the counter culture. To stave off a potential revolution. And by ginning up the divisive rhetoric even further. The average person didn't know what was happening.

Rubislaw 32 link

8/31/2020 11:01:49 am

Indeed BB , these were extraordinary and turbulent times , in America's history , in particular....not least , the west's in general .

I did quite a bit of research on Robert E.Lee - since I believe he was admired by the Zodiac , and understand the Arlington link . To this day , historians seem divided over Lee's philosophy about Slavery .

In the Dripping card , the Zodiac wrote :

'' I thought you would need a good laugh before you hear the bad news , and you won't get the news for a while yet .''

This , I believe , was with regard to the content of the solution to the Zodiac's Z340 solution . It joked that nothing would be found at Oak Island ; that there were neo-Fascist cops about , with a death list , and that the nation was heading for a General Strike .

A point being , that the Zodiac saw himself as the second coming of Nostradamus - someone who would be revered for predicting the future .

The reality was , that the Zodiac read the Editorials in newspapers , and paid much attention to the opinions of political and social observers of the day . Then , came up with a '' pilfered '' opinion that he hoped to palm off as his very own individual one .

8/29/2020 07:21:58 pm

Roger - the Zodiac did not make his writing style obvious because

he wanted his letters to get where he intended them to go.

He disguised his handwriting on the envelopes to get by the first line

of screen-ers. Just look at the letter handwriting in comparison.

And, mr grump likes to tell others what they can and can not say

Again - suppression of free speech - the opposite of American

Talk about what you want to talk about - except for telling others how to talk.

You sound like you have a little list of offenders just like the Zodiac

Have we flushed you out finally?

Roger

8/29/2020 08:08:38 pm

But with so much variation beyond 2010, you could literally find any handwriting anywhere and make it match to something. Kind of suggests that just about everybody who ever lived could have been the Zodiac. About all this exercise will ever accomplish is to add more confusion. Maybe you don't realize that now, but what about in another 10 years after 20 more hoax Zodiac communications have come to light? At some point one has to "draw a line" or risk going mental.

Richard

8/30/2020 01:11:00 am

I have drawn the line at 1987.

Mr Grumpy

8/31/2020 03:05:27 pm

Not sure where that came from. We are bombarded with propaganda 24/7 here in the sates from the PC crowd and others that are practicing thought control and censorship. I never tell any body else what to say or think. I am just trying to keep up with posts and comments on this site.

Roger

8/31/2020 04:38:55 pm

Good luck with that! Personally, when it comes to the comments on pages like this one, I prefer to remain totally detached rather than try to "keep up". LOL!

8/31/2020 04:51:30 pm

poor little baby

Mr Happy

8/31/2020 05:15:31 pm

Mr Grumpy is a funny guy. What is there to "keep up with" in these comments, if it is all just speculation and imagination? The speculation and imagination goes in many different directions and ultimately nowhere, so why even bother trying to "keep up with" it?

Rubislaw 32 link

8/30/2020 01:37:51 am

'' Of all the gin joints in all the towns in the world , and she would have to walk in to mine . '' - Casablanca .

There were literally hundreds of TV Stations across America - and what do we find in the FBI's D B Cooper Files ?

December 31st 1979 , WXIA TV , Atlanta - a letter from '' D B Cooper '' : '' I wish you a Happy New Year '' .

In one of D B Cooper's '' confirmed '' letters , he talks about having only 14 months to live ?

What ? How come ? How was he sure it was precisely 14 ?

i .e . B*llsh*t .

'' Grant me - ALA is D B Cooper ''

The Zodiac '' was '' D B Cooper , the hoaxer . The Exorcist Letter '' is '' his admission .

And , that is just the tip of the iceberg , for the most prolific small-time extortionist , in criminal history .

8/30/2020 06:54:51 pm

I just watched the movie "Badlands" on YouTube.

Richard - Did you say the Badlands letter is Zodiac?

The Zodiac may have been a Hollywood creation?

The ultimate movie mogul of all time Robert Evans died recently.

They say he was the man that Francis F. Coppola feared most.

His hit-man William Mentzer was thought to be the Zodiac killer.

https://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/mentzer-william.htm

Robert made a lot of movies about killers. They say art imitates life.

And, it may have gone to his head - if eliminating the competition is

the name of the game for mobsters. Someone didn't like Roy A. Radin.

Also, other things like the Exorcist he laughed at. But the Coppola Bio is very, interesting too. And, he lived near the Stine Murder. He chose the star of Badlands to star in his biggest movie Apocalypse Now. Sheen.

Richard

8/31/2020 12:29:39 am

It's not what I say BB, it's what you believe. Personally, I don't think the SLA, Badlands or Red Phantom communications are Zodiac. I just think they were just mistook as Zodiac.

Rubislaw 32 link

8/31/2020 04:14:40 am

'' ...it's what you believe . '' - very true , Richard .

'' I just think they were just mistook as Zodiac .'' . I hold back judgement on '' Badlands '' and '' Red Phantom '' , but the SLA has been '' engineered '' by the FBI , made with '' bits and pieces '' from a longer letter .

This is what is so infuriating about some of the apparent Zodiac correspondences - the '' powers that be '' elected to put a spin on an aspect , at a given time , for a particular strategic purpose .

If the Zodiac had been caught , we wouldn't be complaining . But , the long and the short of it all is , that law enforcement at a given time , ruined chances for future law enforcement to succeed , by having failed . For high-profile cases , often is the case that '' one bite of the cherry '' is all that is on offer , or compromising the case , judicially , for all time .

Often '' dreadful '' decision-making that retrospectively , amounts to the corrupted vanity of those who had the best chance .

There is little doubt , that the Zodiac's Bay area crimes can't realistically go to court , unless they are lumped on to a plea deal , involving a spearheading further serious crime ( murder ) , for which they can prosecute him .

All hope is not lost , then , but overall prospects don't look great , now over two years since GSK's arrest .

The Zodiac Killer case has become the victim of its own interest .

As well as law enforcement's incompetence .

Rubislaw 32 link

8/31/2020 04:32:08 am

Another '' 10th anniversary '' from the Zodiac ?

The letter to WXIA TV , Atlanta , December 31st 1979 , from '' D B Cooper '' :

'' I wish you a Happy New Year .''

The letter to Melvin Belli , December 20th 1969 , from The Zodiac :

'' I wish you a Happy Christmass .''

No one ( we assume ) had picked up on the Zodiac stealing Dan Cooper's mantle .

So , the Zodiac simply takes '' D B Cooper '' out of the cupboard ; dusts him down , for further use .

The Zodiac kept a scrapbook ? No - he had a whole file cabinet , with which to use , for the purposes of past references .

Shawn

8/31/2020 12:35:59 pm

Halloween Card - Averly

Averly = AverLee

Aver = means to assert, or prove, the truth of

Lee = Leigh or Leigh aka Arthur Leigh Allen

Any thoughts on the use of Averly on two cards

Rubislaw 32 link

8/31/2020 01:08:41 pm

Yes , Shawn ...you are homing in on a trivial , but nonetheless pertinent aspect to the Zodiac's mind and humour .

The Pines Card , of course , where the '' Averly '' was seen also . But , this , I have no doubt , actually arrived soon after Judith Hakari's discovery , at Weimar - circa May 1970 .

The Halloween Card envelope to Paul Avery ?

'' P A , u Lav erly ''

A joke to Paul Avery , in that the Zodiac stalks him , and can inform everyone that Mr.Avery gets up early in the morning , to perform his ablutions .

That's it - and not much more than this .

(...although I am holding something back , granted...)

Rubislaw 32 link

8/31/2020 04:42:48 pm

U = You ?

Yes indeed .

A column phenomenon of the 1990 Celebrity Cypher , as a Z65 :

P A U S P = Paul Avery , You Secret Pal

A column phenomenon of Z340 :

C O O N U U D I D U C L A = Coon you , you did UCLA

The above , a finger pointed at Claude Hubert , ex-FBI agent and assassin of Black Panther Youth Leaders , Bunchy Carter and John Huggins - as a black man , in the pocket of J Edgar Hoover ( El Cid )

The use of '' U = You '' , also , in Z38 , a diatribe of verbal abuse , directed at Bill Grant .

The Cryptanalysis Unit ought to know , otherwise they are not doing their job .

Rubislaw 32 link

9/1/2020 12:55:45 am

I shall just add here , a word about the Zodiac's '' column phenomenons '' , which were employed by the Zodiac , to give a '' flourish '' of a Zodiac signature of sorts .

The Zodiac didn't necessarily plan them from the start of laying out a cipher . But , once he had done so , then he looked for '' accidental '' ones , in part , which he was then able to modify slightly to give an extra message , in the form of a type of '' book bind '' to his cipher solution .

I have already made mention of '' Coon you , you did UCLA '' to Z340 . A message of 13 characters in length .

Well , the Zodiac performed this on Z408 , also - and in this case , it is all too apparent for the world to see :

I M M R E R T T B E L L Y

This message , '' I'm Mr. ERTT Belly '' is another 13 character statement which , appears down the central column of the 408 , in its grid layout .

Clearly , referring to Melvin Belli , the use of '' ERTT '' refers to :

Emergency Response Technical Training ....which , was one of a number of organisations , sponsored by local governments , on the recommendation of Central Government , originally in readiness for the '' Cold War '' , and going back to April 1951 .

The Government , at the time , believed that there should be ( largely volunteered ) response teams available , trained in paramedical , firefighting and chemical disposal skills , if needed .

'' I'm Mr. ERTT Belly '' - a joke , in response to Melvin Belli's famous quote :

'' I' m not an ambulance chaser - I always ensure that I arrive ' before ' the ambulance .''

9/2/2020 05:16:45 pm

TONY TOLA on the 8th line of the z340 lived in Santa Cruz?

9/4/2020 03:05:07 pm

TONY TOLA

8 letters in his name

38 yo in 1969

Why would you put your name so clearly in the z340 cipher?

Unless you want to get revenge on TONY TOLA.

A guy named Virgil Kester Jr. was a probable business partner of his when their trucking business went belly-up.

https://zodiackiller.forumotion.com/t4-poi-tony-tola-x

Could these Copy Cat Zodiac's be set-ups?

Could Virgil Kester Jr. be another guy like Don Cheney?

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