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TWO SHORT EXTRACTS FROM THE HARVEY HINES REPORT

9/12/2017

 
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Here are two interesting snippets from the Harvey Hines 120-page report on Lawrence Kane. The first details a call was being placed by the Zodiac Killer from a public payphone in Union Square, San Francisco. The second features a unique image of the Pines card created by Harvey Hines and photographs of the crucifix stone formation at the Sierra Club.
 
"Now, according to John Miles, I find that Kane lived at 217 Eddy Street in San Francisco prior to his moving to South Lake Tahoe. In looking at an area map of San Francisco, I found 217 Eddy Street appeared to be only about two to three blocks from where Paul Stine picked up the Zodiac on October 11th 1969. I then called inspector Dave Toschi at the San Francisco Police Department and got more details on the Stine killing. Toschi said they had determined the killer had called for a cab using the public payphone located at Union Square. Toschi said the cab picked the killer up and drove to the corner of Washington and Cherry Streets. At this point the cab driver was shot in the head. The killer was then seen by three witnesses from a residence nearby, wiping down the cab. Apparently wiping away fingerprints. Toschi said he also cut away a portion of Stine's bloodied shirt. After doing this, he calmly walked away in the direction of the Presidio Army Installation.

Two police officers, Don Foukes and Eric Zelms, heard the first radio broadcast and went directly to the area. The first broadcast, however, according to Toschi, erroneously identified the shooter as a black man. As Zelms and Foukes approached, they saw a white male walking toward the Presidio in the direction of Letterman General Hospital. They briefly stopped and asked him if he had seen a man with a gun. He told them he had just seen a man waving a gun and running the other direction. The two officers then hurriedly left in search of the black man.
Now we have the Zodiac running into the Presidio in the direction of Letterman General Hospital. The very place that Donna Lass worked. Also, in looking at the area map, I found that Lass lived six blocks south in the 4000 block of Balboa. That meant the Zodiac Killer started his ride near where Kane lived and ended it several blocks away where Donna Lass lived and worked. During the time she worked in San Francisco she lived at 4122 Balboa Street with a roommate named Carol Emerich. Emerich was also a nurse. According to the employment records, Lass was working a late night shift in October of 1969 when the San Francisco cab driver, Paul Stine, was killed by the Zodiac."
Harvey Hines went on to elaborate about his search for Donna Lass, in particular the Pines card mailed on March 22nd 1971:

"After studying the card, I drove to Nordin, located on old Highway 40, north of Lake Tahoe, and found the SIERRA CLUB. I learned the club was not called the Sierra Club. It was named the Claire Tappan Lodge and it was a private club for Sierra Club members only. I believed if I followed the directions on the postcard I would find Donna Lass' grave. I believe she was buried near the Sierra Club and most likely on the Donner Ski Ranch. I would later have the pictures of the Sierra Club developed. Then using a copy of Zodiac's card, I cut out the phrases he had pasted on his card. Using these phrases, I overpasted them on the copy of the Sierra Club picture. It was striking similar to the original card."  Thanks to Alex Lewis.

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Tom
9/13/2017 07:09:13 am

I think the Sierra Club card was an artist/architect's sketch of a housing project that was in the early stages of development. The environmental architect firm in charge of the project was Jay Flood and Associates, I believe. Flood graduated from the University of California-Berkeley, and the suspect I have been researching was an Environmental Architect who graduated Cum Laude from UCB and was also in "Survey in Land Development" and "Housing Facilities" classes that semester. It is likely that he would have been connected to this environmental architecture firm as an Honor Student at the university, and taken off-sight to work with a graduate as an internship program with the department.

He has an interesting background, and has a lot of circumstantial evidence surrounding his whereabouts during the time. He committed suicide in 1992 after being on the run for murdering his wife and child in San Francisco in 1986. He made an effort to make it all the way to "Paradise Bay" near Semiahoo, WA to end his life also. Very troubled, but very intelligent man who fits the overall profile extremely well.

Richard
9/13/2017 07:56:03 am

Cheers Tom for the input. He sounds an interesting charge, particularly in light of the radians angle. This is the material I have read;
#1.A newspaper article stated that 'the site depicted on the 'Pines Card' was from an advertisement published last Sunday by several newspapers. It was an artist's rendition of houses among the trees at a Boise Cascade Company project at Incline Village, where construction has just begun on the development. While much of the Sierra area is under several feet of snow, Incline Village has only two feet on the ground. Police went to the area to determine if a search is possible'. ​Chief Lauritzen added "There's no point to a search at this time. It's unlikely a victim would be uncovered before spring."
#2. In the Hines report it states "The pictures and some of the phrases come from an ad for Forrest Pines, a development near Incline Village, Nevada."
#3. The report added "Mr Nicoli statedthat the picture on the postcard had nothing to do with the Lake Tahoe area. He said it was from an advertisement from a newspaper promoting Arizona property.
There you have it, take your pick.

Richard
9/13/2017 07:59:29 am

This is the answer I believe:

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Richard
9/13/2017 08:12:23 am

Are Boise Cascade Company and Jay Flood and Associates intertwined.

Alex Lewis link
9/15/2017 11:16:11 pm

Good Heavens! Extracts from Harvey Hines full report Richard? Stop making things up please Richard as this is what one must be doing because neither You nor I have the full HH Report because Tom Void said He has tried unsuccessfully to get it and if He can't get it...

I didn't receive it from Harvey's brother Oliver Hines Directly Rich and send yourself a copy, it must be that rare thing called 'Shared Psychosis' where the delusion of one gets passed on or accepted by another!

Malfaro69
9/16/2017 01:37:36 pm

A question i have always had was how come the sketch depicts a skinny man yet he was described as being over 200 lbs..the sketch and the description doesn't seem to match up

Daniel webster
5/25/2020 10:20:28 pm

I have the exact same question I've been asking it for over 10 years and no one has bothered to explain it to me I mean it's true he's described as a pot belly man yet they show a pencil neck

Richard
9/16/2017 02:42:18 pm

Donald Fouke in his memorandum on November 12th 1969 described the Zodiac as about 5'10", 180-200 lbs, medium heavy build. The low estimate of 180 pounds is only 12.8 stones. At this weight he may not have appeared round faced. Also, the sketch produced may not be a completely accurate depiction of the man that night. I would regard the sketch as a guide, rather than fact. Additionally, in dark lighting, facial features can often appear thinner, due to the shadowing effect.

Malfaro69
9/16/2017 05:26:39 pm

The full size sketches of zodiac appear way bigger than 180 maybe 210-220..still kinda hard to match that face with that body..I see what your saying though

Sully link
9/21/2017 10:22:15 pm

After reading Zodiac Ciphers for some time, I think Bryan Hartnell is the only sane reliable witness still alive today.
Maybe he wants to bring closure to a lifetime of regret. Has he ever read the Harvey Hines (via Alex Lewis) report?
I'm sure he's been bombarded with 48 yrs of fodder; maybe this HH report could help bring clarity into his world. Any thoughts on this. . . .

Richard
9/22/2017 02:18:50 am

I doubt that he has. I believe for the most part he doesn't involve himself in the Zodiac case. I don't know about Alex, but although this report has some interesting information, I don't really regard Lawrence Kane as a likely Zodiac suspect, albeit, he is better than most of the ones suggested.

Richard
9/22/2017 02:20:43 am

Most of the 120 page Hines report hasn't been published, under instruction by its finder.

Alex Lewis
9/22/2017 03:35:09 am

The report was given to me By Oliver Hines, Harvey's Brother who is Himself a former Police Officer. He contacted Me to say He believed His late Brother had the right guy. Obviously, some will point to a bias due to Harvey being His Brother but Oliver is, as said, a former cop Himself. When He sent it to Me I asked does He have any reservations about My sharing it and He said if someone wants it for genuine research purposes then share it, but be selective who gets a copy which is why despite having it now for a couple of years I have shared it with only Three or Four people.

Sully link
10/2/2017 06:19:15 pm

With large egos involved in a 50 yr trek for truth, I grasp why the Welsh chappie has protected Harvey Hines hard work and dedication. Hollywood trolls and aspiring authors would pirate his file in a NY minute & twist it into another expose' book or BS Fincher script..

I'm also intrigued Richard, of your take on HH report, which I assume you've read. What do you see as difficult in connecting the dots in this LE file ?

Richard
10/2/2017 11:17:21 pm

Although I believe most of the accounts by Harvey Hines in the 120 page report, I tend to get the impression he is reaching for connections to Lawrence Kane being Zodiac, rather than letting the facts speak for themselves. Similar to Graysmith when he suspended reality to bolster the idea that Arthur Leigh Allen was Zodiac. He would push the idea that Kathleen Johns identified Kane from a set of photographs he presented, but Johns was adamant when she entered Patterson Police Station that the Presidio Heights sketch was the man who abducted her, a sketch that doesn't remotely look like Kane. Using Spring Mountain Road to connect him to the Dana Lull disappearance is weak sauce. Much like the weak argument of the water connection to Zodiac, I can never recall anybody murdering based on street names as part of an MO. Hines said the co-workers at the Sahara Tahoe Hotel stated that Kane and Lass knew each other from working at the casino. I would prefer documents to show his employment here, and co-workers names attributed to these claims. There are some interesting details in report, such as the payphone call before the Stine murder, but much like Graysmith you can see when somebody is reaching for small connections and expanding them out to make them more significant than they really are. I gave an example with Robert Haefner on how to create something from nothing here http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/the-creation-of-a-zodiac-suspect
The same can be said when creating an article, use bias, and leading text, to hopefully convince somebody that something is more important than it really is. The interesting connection is the link from the Letterman to the Sahara Tahoe Hotel. Kane did allegedly live close to the taxicab pick up point at 217 Eddy Street, but that is in reality a very weak link to him being Zodiac. He did move to South Lake Tahoe around the same time as Donna Lass, but firstly we aren't even positive Lass is a Zodiac victim, and secondly, how many people travelled to Tahoe that year from Northern California. It doesn't mean their killers. The Tahoe/Dorfman link, if could be verified is the best information of all, but useless if Zodiac never abducted Lass. As I've always said, Kane is one of the better suspects in the Zodiac case, but still only a 0.3% chance at best, with Allen at 0.00% and don't even consider anymore. None of the major suspects such as Marshall, Gaikowski and Kaczynski interest me as Zodiac, and equally reside at 0.00%. But everyone is entitled to their opinions and I respect that fully.

g500
10/4/2017 09:04:56 am

"I would prefer documents to show his employment here, and co-workers names attributed to these claims."

While I haven't seen any substantive evidence to suggest that he was employed at the Sahara Tahoe at the time of Lass' disappearance, I would like to make note of the following extract from the Hines report (as originally published by Alex Lewis) -

"Both licenses showed the name of Larry Cane. One showed an address of Box 375 Zephyr Cove, Nevada with a street address listed as the Tahoe Inn, South Lake Tahoe, CA. The other license showed an address of Box "C", Stateline NV."

A cursory google search reveals that "Box C, Stateline, NV" was the mailing address for the Sahara Tahoe Hotel's personnel office. This can be seen at the URL below:

http://i.imgur.com/oAKGnUs.png

Alex Lewis
10/5/2017 11:08:56 am

I am and will continue to be protective of not so specifically Harvey's work, but His Family who have gone above and beyond to send Me not only HH full report, but other documents and files Harvey had relating to Kane. The Hines family (Harvey's Brother & Son) have been absolutely great with/to Me helping Me out when and where possible and Oliver even said something to Me once that was the most complimentary and humbling thing I thing I have ever had someone say. I am protective of the family because they have been so good to me over the years and I know, in Destry's case specifically, He has been very hurt and saddened by a certain person 's degrading and insulting comments made about His father on that persons website.

In fact, just a few weeks ago me and Destry were debating/arguing over which of us gets to go first in issuing this person the first right hook to the jaw lol.

Alex Lewis
10/5/2017 11:15:33 am

Thank You G-500 for clarification. I wanted to say also I have added L.K marriage cert. to my 'LK - ZK' site and credited Yourself as the source that discovered it. Hope this is ok with Yourself, if not please say and I shall happily remove it.

Jim Hoffmann
6/23/2020 10:48:07 pm

Dear Alex:

I’m a true crime writer (The Boy in the Box: America’s Unknown Child) and though I have no desire to write a book about the Zodiac, I would very much like to read HH’s full report on suspect Kane.

Thank you for your time.

Jim Hoffmann

Sully link
10/3/2017 03:54:34 pm

So at 03% Kaye/Kane/Cane is now the front runner? Well, thats a little weak..
Most would agree that Graysmith fabricated his ALA story, probably for a nice retirement plan. One wud also give Ex-Cop Harvey Hines a bit more weight than any Cartoonist, at his very best.
So Zodiac claimed he did his thing in disguise ie: PH Hit with a redheaded crew cut, yes? Original sketch was in black n white so Kathy Johns who rode around for an hour with a creep who fit the MO of disabling autos, never saw the sketch that night with red hair and glasses YET locked in on his face and EYES and IDed him. Plus Z wrote and bragged about it. So how is that a stretch of truth, Richard?
Was Roy Tophigh a credible witness? He fits into the Bryan Hartnell category with more facts to glean from but, agreed, this case was bungled too.

Sadly, Harvey Hines, a cop who took on this manhunt as his lifes' final mission, needed more time to wrap his case up tight and bring to the light of justice. Is all his hard work worthy of thorough scrutiny and due diligence ?

Alex Lewis
10/5/2017 11:20:46 am

Sully. . .

I say on my site that whether You believe Kane is Zodiac, isn't Zodiac, potentially Zodiac, not a chance He was Zodiac & everything in between. .. That's absolutely fine with Me. As Richard will attest to the truth of my saying I am not in the slightest protective of Lawrence Kane nor consider Him 'My Suspect' and if you read my website and disagree with 99.9% of what I say there then.....That's fine, I accept that and will even tell you I respect your right to the criticism. I am not easily offended especially by other individuals personal opinions.

Alex Lewis
6/17/2018 05:03:30 pm

Rich I can go as far as agreeing that yes, development of Suspect then the Evidence, opposed to other way round, likely will mean an element of bias will come into play, even if it be subconsciously.

However, Needing to have Donna's colleagues names who HH referrs to in the report as having spoke to Himself to confirm Kane & Lass did know each other or scepticism at this must remain because HH who, wanting more than "Yes, Lawrence worked in the same building as the missing" adds His own little extra to embellish this into: "Worked in same building. . . And also knew each other"

Harvey states in the report Rich the reason why he has not added the two co-worker's names. They simply asked him not to.

However!! Harvey says he respected this request by the two BUT... (Very Very big & important but!), Harvey elaborates by stating that he does have their names and personal info available to hand in his private case notes.

I don't see any eyebrow raising Dodgy claim or highly ambiguous statement at all here & to me, I see Harveys motive & his reason for this part specifocally. He's adding that the names of the witnesses are in his possesion not for us mate but, its for the benefit of those who Harvey no doubt hoped would be looking througt it & that is namely, Law Enforcement! The Elite or Significant Ranked LE from A Dpt. Chief or the Division Commander, oraybe our very own SF's Martin Lee, The Chief of homicide.

It's for official readers or Colleagues of Harvey's so that they, if they want or see a need to, ask the witnesses a few follow up questions after they confirm what Hines implies in his report is accurate & true.

validating his claims is important
for His fellow Lawmen, these are the individuals of Superior Rank who would have had the power and authority to do something about it.

Richard
10/4/2017 12:50:23 am

Considering the vast population of California and the whole of the USA, 1 in 333 odds is actually very generous. If we take 1,000 people with their strong suspects for Zodiac, and each has accumulated at least 20 pieces of circumstantial evidence on their suspect, then we have 20,000 links that people have forged. There presumably is one Zodiac, making 999 people incorrect regarding their suspect, and 19,980 links unfounded. The overwhelming majority are wrong and the odds are more likely it is somebody we have never heard of, than the commonly touted suspects. I have always given Harvey Hines utmost credit for pursuing the Donna Lass case in his own time for many years, when many others had given in. Although Kane is a better suspect than most, unfortunately I don't believe Kane is the Zodiac, unless better evidence comes to the fore. I also give Graysmith credit for keeping these crimes in the public perception, despite the fact he made errors. We all would have made more errors back then. It's mainly the internet that has increased peoples knowledge of the case. You and I Sully would undoubtedly acquit every single suspect ever presented if they ever went to court, which they wouldn't in any reasonable justice system. Lately I have seen many people literally 100% convinced Edward Wayne Edwards is the Zodiac Killer. It is frightening that such flimsy evidence could convince somebody of a person's guilt. Not a juror I would want to be judged by. Harvey Hines has done an admirable job in pursuing the murderer of Donna Lass, however being an ex-police officer doesn't necessarily make your claims more credible.

Richard
10/4/2017 01:18:45 am

Kathleen Johns did actually tell varying versions of her story and described her abductor as white, at around 30 years, 5'9" in height, 160 lbs, dark hair and clean-cut, having the traits of a serviceman. Kane was actually 46 years of age at this point. I would seriously doubt you could confuse a 46 year old for somebody around 30 had you spent upwards of 2 hours sitting inches away from them. But stranger things have happened. Also, the array of photographs shown to Kathleen were presented to her more than a decade after the night in question, and the mind isn't like a video camera, and prone to suggestion. Without being there and seeing how the ID presentation was conducted, it's difficult to guage its validity. Many point to Michael Mageau's ID of Allen in an airport, despite decades having passed, not withstanding Mageau couldn't give an adequate description of his assailant 2 days after the murder.
Roy Tophigh gave a description to police that closely matched police, but eyewitness recollection being notoriously unreliable has to be backed up with corroborating evidence. His vehicle description is interesting, if correct Roy Tophigh would later recall he saw the killer in the Spring Inn one month after the attack, a place supposedly frequented by Lawrence Kane according to his previous employer. But only according to his previous employer, and whether they were the same person is unknown. All credit to Harvey Hines, but for me anyway, too many ifs and buts. Do you believe it's Kane Sully?

Tom
12/29/2017 08:18:23 pm

He didn’t make errors he made stuff up.

Sully link
10/6/2017 12:45:17 am

Thanks for asking Richard. Like most Z 'trekkies' on this website, I'm only seeking truth with evidence, like what g500 just gave us! WOW! GOOD JOB!

Kanes BCT life (before cement truck) presents us with a stud who had the world BY THE TAIL! A young, ballsy wannabe movie star who changed his name to KAYE to pursue his dream. The 'shake n shingle' guy who dated starlets was a handsome man about town. He also displayed authority issues early on. Larry lived with his mother most of his life. Did he display early sociopath behaviors? To be continued...

Sully link
10/6/2017 11:18:44 pm

What set Kane apart and made him a 'ladies man' was HIS EYES. I believe its what Kathy Johns locked onto during that hour plus of terror. Whether he looked 30 or 45 doesnt factor. Kane didnt work a career job & along with his semitic skin and hair, he probably did look 30ish at 46. A mans eyes are what women look at and never forget....
To be continued

Alex Lewis
10/7/2017 02:17:00 am

Sulky are You suggesting that for the 90 Minutes or so that Kathleen was being driven up lane, round the Back-Country Roads in darkness with no Help for Miles & Kathy's getting treated to:

"People don't need help when I am through with them! And by the way, I'm going to throw your baby out the window then 'Do My Thing."
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Meanwhile. . .

All throughout this almost 2 Hour ordeal of threats of imminent Death made by Kathie's Abductor, the Looney-Bin behind the wheel ranting and Announcing His plans etc etc that Kathy says nothing due to being lost in His eyes..... staring intently, transfixed even then offers Him: Awwwwwww, Darling! What lovely eyes You have! I am lost in the deep and dfrk wonderful mystery lying behind them and. . . "

I have to ask at this point, which of the two occupants of the Vehicle is the deranged nut again only the two are getting fused it seems.

If Kane was being the wheel and Miss John did nothing but fascinate over such wonder eyes owned by Kidnapping freak looney bin then makes sense now as to the vehicle driving the wrong way own a Highway On Ramp....done it on purpose to get rid of His victim on account of Her being more delusional and nuts than Himself!

"Opps . . ..wrong way! Well, Uhhh. . . would you look at that error!! . . . GO ON GET OUT YOU F&*$ING FREAK!!" tires screeching as He pulls away.

Shall we have Kthy running after Him an His car too "COME BACK HANDSOME....I AM AVAILABLE FOR KIDNAP!!"

Sully link
10/7/2017 04:48:10 am

ROFL!! Alex, that was side splitting! Thank you for giving me the best medicine after a very rough week..
Point I was trying to make is that Kathy did STARE AT AND PLEAD WITH looney bin Kane for 90 plus MINUTES. When she eventually got to Patterson PD and saw the Presidio Heights sketch (the one on the right with the intense eyes) it was a SLAM DUNK for her. "THAT'S that fkn creep who terrorized us for 2 hours!" There was O doubt. As it turns out, she really was, by far, the best Z witness, hands down. Berryessa girls werent ever close enough to ID Kanes facial features. They did say he was dark haired and handsome. How anyone could derive Art Leigh Allen from their ID sketch is beyond me. Art has been Zodiacs' patsy far too long.

Alex Lewis
6/16/2018 12:26:41 am

Sully:. "ROFL!! Alex, that was side splitting! Thank you for giving me the best medicine after a very rough week.."

As I say every time someone saya that or similar Sul & I believe and also truly mean it too...

Anytime somebody says I've made them laught and made their dau brighter . . . Is in the same as myself in that it is a day that I will not consider to be one in my life I can say was a wasted day.

Making others happy is what makes Me happy. :-)

Alex Lewis
11/1/2017 03:09:29 am

Hands down the best witness in terms of up close and personal. However, I don't know that I am convinced at all this was Zodiac abducting Kathy. After all, why would He go to such effort and extent to create his own hooded costume with stitched cross-hair to cover His face just to abduct a Woman and sit next to her to say People don't usually need help when He's through with them and that He's going to throw her baby out the window.

He may as well have introduced Himself to Kathy as: "Hi, Zodiac Unmasked, and You are....?" Also the descriptive detail she gave of Her abductor didn't sound like a description that you could then go onto say sounded like the Z Composite drawing, either.

Sully link
11/1/2017 11:20:15 am

If we view this sloppy serial killer as the same arrogant mocker of cops then yes, this impulsive Modesto abduction fits into the Z profile. The impromptu plan was to eliminate the witness (and baby) that night, right? Similar to the unmasked scenario & victim removal of Paul Stine, albeit with cropped/colored hair ( Hartnell said Zs hair was dark so "einstein" made his hair reddish lol )
At LB in broad daylight, he decided to go with a scary halloween mask with dark sunglasses for cover and effect.

I believe Sicko viewed himself as the 'UNTOUCHABLE BAD-ASS'.. a famous actor playing in his very own murder mystery movie. AND sometimes the Mikados Grand High Executioner when writing a terrorist letter to the SF paper.

He was a budding movie star, soon to be an ACTING LEGEND in his own sick twisted mind.

Alex
6/16/2018 12:59:29 am

He may have had the same or similar personality in his day to day life aSul, but I highly doubt it.

See it's very easy for me even now if I so desired to pick up a telephone & dial 1800-Iron Mike!..

"Hi is this the so called former Heavy weight Word short-ass chump? It is, fantastic!

Now then this is a coutcour call short-ass iron Chump...if u ever make the mistake of syeppkng on a ring u little fat prick let me tell u this, BOY, I'll put you out faster that a lot match ina hurrixcame bitch. .abribf it on you stump looking mo-fo! What what! Who am I? Your secret Pal! <Gooooof-byyyeee!" I hang up.

Believe you me, if three days later Tyson is trying to kick my door off whist maniacally laughjng as he raves "CALLER ID.... WHITE BOY!"

At this stage I am just collapsing onto the floor & into Cardiac arrest!

You get the analogy I hope, Sul.


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