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TWO ASSAILANTS AT PRESIDIO HEIGHTS [PT2]

7/31/2017

 
This is a continuation to the article 'Two Assailants at Presidio Heights', examining the statement given by the Robbins teenagers in the aftermath of the Paul Stine murder. The initial police report found on most websites is noticeably brief compared to the other three crimes, and certainly doesn't encompass the whole story that night. The Robbins teenagers themselves have certainly not been publicity hungry during the last 48 years, so couldn't be accused of witness embellishment. Furthermore, their story has been totally corroborated by Officer Armond Pelissetti in the 2007 Zodiac documentary, along with the bloody fingerprints noted from two areas of the taxicab. Here is a reminder of their story:
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"As both Robbins kids were the oldest, their statements were the given the most weight. Also they were the least traumatized by the event. One of the kids (not sure which) noticed a cab parked outside (in that now famous spot) with the interior lights on. So when Lindsey told me that the light inside the car was like a spotlight, it was so bright. The first kid at the window said the driver looked "sick, or something". Lindsey and Rebecca went to the window and saw the driver laying across the front seat, head toward the passenger door. His head was in the lap of another man (passenger). Rebecca saw blood and said out loud, "he's stabbing that man." She was seeing blood on the victim and saw the glint of a knife, so she assumed a stabbing was taking place. (No shots were heard by anyone). We know now that Zodiac was cutting off a large piece of Stine's shirt with the knife.

At this time, Lindsey went downstairs to get a better look at what was happening, while one of the kids upstairs called the police. Downstairs, the lights were off, so Lindsey knew he could not be seen from the outside. He got close to the window and watched his actions. He was shortly joined by Rebecca. They both watched and observed in silence as Zodiac pushed the driver to an upright position behind the steering wheel, exited the car and walked around the rear of the car and opened the driver's door. Stine had fallen over onto the seat and Zodiac pulled him back up into the seated position and had some difficulty keeping him upright. Once upright, he was seen to have a rag, or something like a handkerchief and began to wipe down the door area and leaning over the driver, part of the dashboard. When he was finished, Zodiac calmly walked to Cherry St. and walked north. Not many know this, but Lindsey (being 16. feeling immortal, and believing the suspect to be armed with only a knife) ran out of his door to see where Zodiac was going. He ran to the corner of Cherry and watched as Zodiac continued his casual pace right up to the corner of Jackson & Cherry."
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The bloody fingerprints shown on the right are indicative of a suspect bracing his right hand on the dividing panel to pull Paul Stine upright with his left hand, in line with the version given by the Robbins teenagers. Lindsey's venture to the corner of Washington and Cherry, latterly joined by the others, is also backed up by the first responding officer, Armond Pelissetti. There is every reason to believe that this is the expanded version of a very brief and inadequate police report consisting of less than two full pages. But more importantly it helps us with the timeline. A timeline that could suggest the person seen by the three teenagers is not the killer of Paul Stine, just an accomplice to the crime.
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Lindsey went downstairs as the phone call was being placed. What they saw subsequent to this is: "they both watched and observed in silence as Zodiac pushed the driver to an upright position behind the steering wheel, exited the car and walked around the rear of the car and opened the driver's door. Stine had fallen over onto the seat and Zodiac pulled him back up into the seated position and had some difficulty keeping him upright. Once upright, he was seen to have a rag, or something like a handkerchief and began to wipe down the door area and leaning over the driver, part of the dashboard. When he was finished, Zodiac calmly walked to Cherry St. and walked north." The amount of time this took is subjective, but a minimum of 30 seconds is a fair estimate. Then the suspect walked casually north on Cherry Street.

Officer Armond Pelissetti arrived when the suspect was approaching the corner of Jackson and Cherry - approximately 50 seconds walking time. This indicates that Armond Pelissetti was very close when he received the radio dispatch, likely no longer than one-and-a-half minutes after the teenagers called the police. The first job of the police dispatcher, however, is to take the description and reported offence, before then relaying this information to responding units. This would suggest that Armond Pelissetti received the message and arrived in one minute or less. All the indications are, that the suspect began his journey up Cherry Street the moment that Armond Pelisstti received the initial dispatch. When he arrived, the suspect was approaching the intersection of Jackson and Cherry, approximately 50 seconds later.

​The major problem, is that Officer Donald Fouke also responded to the initial radio broadcast at the identical time as Pelissetti. This means that Donald Fouke began his journey from the intersection of Washington and Presidio Avenue at the time the suspect began his journey from the crime scene, just like Armond Pelissetti did. The journey time for Donald Fouke traveling at a moderate speed of 30 mph, places him at the intersection of Jackson and Maple one minute later, where he spots the 'Zodiac'. For this to be the responsible observed by the three teenagers, the suspect would have to travel this 3 minute journey at walking pace in approximately one minute. Something he ultimately failed to achieve, because he was pointed out to Armond Pelissetti at the top of Cherry by Lindsey.

If we take the story of the three teenagers as reliable, which by all accounts it is, then the man observed removing the shirt piece of Paul Stine cannot be the man who pulled the trigger that night. This man would have exited the scene just prior to the teenagers looking out of the window. This would be the suspect observed by Officer Donald Fouke, and may explain the lack of blood on the clothes of the man walking on Jackson Street - because he was never present in the front of the taxicab. Donald Fouke described the sketch given by the three teenagers as 'similar' - only that he was 'older and heavier'. Is it likely these two assailants were related, father and son, or brothers? Or did Donald Fouke exhibit confirmation bias, meshing his story to fit that of the three teenagers? It would have been far more helpful had two independent sketches been sought. Had the sketches then matched, the validity of the eyewitnesses recollection would have been greatly enhanced. 

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What is extremely difficult to reconcile is the wildly different versions given by Donald Fouke. The first was from his memorandum only one month after the murder on November 12th 1969 where he stated "The Zodiac Killer was observed walking in an easterly direction on Jackson Street and then turning north on Maple Street."
However, his description in the 2007 Zodiac documentary was taken after observing a man heading into a residence: "We turned west on Jackson Street, as we approached Maple Street I noticed on the north side of the street a white male adult. We slowed down as we passed him, I don't know, we we're still rolling, saw that it was a white male, step on the gas, 5, 10, 15
 seconds tops from first spotting him to passing him. He sort of looked down, perhaps this lumbering gait, stumbling along, like a semi-limp might have come up in my mind, because he was putting his head down when he spotted the police car, and turned into the entrance way of a house, and by entrance way I mean stairs that are leading up that are concrete to a path, that leads to a front door. Never saw him get to the top of the stairs. You want the address of that residence, 3712 Jackson Street." 
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"Never saw him get to the top of the stairs" suggests this is when the subject went out of view. This does not tally with a man last seen heading north on Maple in the November 12th memorandum. He also stated this in the 2007 documentary: "we 
conducted a search on West Pacific Avenue, the opposite side of the wall and the last direction we observed the suspect going, we did not find the suspect." But in the above recollection the last place he saw the subject heading was up the stairs of 3712 Jackson Street. Bearing in mind these two wholly irreconcilable statements, what is the possibility both accounts have a shred of truth, muddled by time, and Officer Donald Fouke actually saw two men on Jackson Street that night. The first heading north on Maple, with the second feigning a move into 3712 Jackson Street.
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The timeline would have the first assailant heading towards Maple as Officer Donald Fouke is approaching the intersection. The second assailant is turning the corner of Jackson and Cherry. Officer Donald Fouke slows down and beckons the man over, who states he saw somebody waving a gun heading towards Arguello Boulevard. The second assailant meanwhile is heading towards his accomplice, thinking he may have to intervene. But fortunately, Officer Donald Fouke, under the impression he is searching for a negro male adult buys the story and continues on Jackson Street, when he spots the second subject. The second assailant then instinctively feigns a turn into 3712 Jackson Street to give the impression to the patrol car he is a resident of that house. Officer Donald Fouke, satisfied by the first assailant's story slows down to observe this man, but ultimately decides to head off towards Arguello Boulevard. This may explain the conflicted versions given by Officer Donald Fouke that night - and his difficulty when it comes to a coherent account of the events that night.
 
The timeline is suggestive of two assailants, along with two subjects spotted in two different locations by Officer Donald Fouke. This may explain why the man observed in and around the taxicab that night by the three teenagers was apparently so calm. He possibly had no gun - or not the gun that fired the fatal shot into Paul Stine - and was simply aiding a stricken taxicab driver. This may have been his alibi had he required one. 
The Zodiac stated "This is the Zodiac speaking. I am the murderer of the taxi driver over by Washington St + Maple St last night, to prove this here is a blood stained piece of his shirt." He didn't say we, so maybe we shall have to take his word on it.

​This is not designed to promote the idea of two assailants at Presidio Heights, merely to point out the discrepancies in the timelines that simply make no sense.   

TWO ASSAILANTS AT PRESIDIO HEIGHTS [PT1]

Shawn
7/31/2017 04:53:52 am

Hello,

What has always stuck in my mind is a statement from the Stine letter.

"I am the same man who did in the people in the North Bay area"

Zodiac provided more than enough proof for LHR and BRS which are in the North Bay Area. Lake Berryessa attack (directly proceeding Stine murder) is somewhat controversial as a Z crime.

Is Zodiac lying about he is the same man in one of the North Bay Murders...Lake Berryessa?......Or is he is paranoid for not being given enough credit for the Lake Berryessa murder. He did not
provide additional proof he was the killer at Lake Berryessa.

Who knows?.....maybe the statement is innocent and he just wanted
to reassure the string of Zodiac attacks.

Thanks,

Shawn

Alex Lewis
8/5/2017 10:50:00 am

I've pointed this oddity out several times and suggest that it almost sounds like a different writer because The Detail knowing killer goes from: "I am the murderer of the two Teenagers out at Lake Herman last xmas and the Girl on the 4th July."

Knows Victims were two teenagers and identifies them as such. Knows the location of the two teenagers murder was a specific road 'Lake Herman' and knows only one victim died 'The Girl' on the 4th July.

Teenagers on Lake Herman road become 'The People in North Bay Area' as if the writer has either forgotten who and where now, or this author isn't the same as the previous one that is privy to the detail.

Today this wouldn't be an issue because Google knows absolutely everything! Today He would need only Google 'Lake Herman Double Murder Dec 20 of 68' for example and all wanted detail would present itself in a multitude of page responses!

This is the late 60's into the start of the 70's! You can't rely on Google to remind You of detail You may have forgotten or don't know to begin with.

Richard
7/31/2017 06:02:57 am

Yes Shawn, that statement has always been puzzling. He started the letter with "This is the Zodiac speaking", so it should have been self evident it was the same man, making the follow up a moot point. I believe he didn't communicate about Berryessa because not only did he write on the car door, but Bryan Hartnell effectively gave him all the publicity he required. Bryan Hartnell was an intelligent, observant eyewitness to every small detail, so my guess there was little left to add. The 'Debut of Zodiac' and 'Bus Bomb' letters only arrived because investigators questioned the word of Zodiac. Had Bryan Hartnell died at Berryessa I feel confident Zodiac would have contacted authorities to fill in their speculation in the newspapers. But also by this point he was concocting his 340 cipher and planning his next crime. We still do not know if the 340 cipher is genuine, but if it is, what are the odds it mentions the Berryessa attack.
In his 'Debut of Zodiac' letter he states "All I had to do was spray them as if it was a water hose; there was no need to use the gun sights". But this wasn't true, he only 'sprayed' Betty Lou Jensen. David Faraday was coldly executed at near contact distance. Is this suggestive of recalling events from his perspective and not his partners. (considering this bullet into Faraday didn't appear to show the same right-hand twist characteristics as the other 7 bullets). It may, as you suggest be reading too much into something innocuous, but it still begs the question. I am not an advocate of a double or team Zodiac, but I always think it's fair to examine every possibility, and I believe the timeline at Presidio Heights is questionable, if the Robbins kids statement is true. I know people question timeline analyses, but from my standpoint they are crucial, and literally all investigators in crimes scrutinize witness timelines to see if they make sense. Time is one thing that cannot be cheated. Science will likely solve the Zodiac case (not necessarily timelines), but I believe they are an important feature. It is roughly 250 metres from the taxicab to Jackson/Maple. If the Zodiac can cover this in one minute, then he is running 24 second 100 metres pace. Not bad for a man seen casually walking away from the crime scene, and lumbering along like a semi-limp as described by Donald Fouke.
The Zodiac again, as you pointed out, mentions the same man in one of the North Bay Murders. He isn't necessarily claiming anymore, but by November 8th he suddenly has 7 victims. I don't know about you Shawn, but I have never questioned the Berryessa crime as Zodiac's. He actually claimed it quicker than any of his other 3 crimes, after he walked back up the hill, and made the phone call. But of course I could be wrong about all of the above. Thanks again Shawn.

Drew
7/31/2017 01:32:48 pm

Hi Richard, good stuff as usual. Multiple assailants here is still difficult for me to accept but I fully realize these timeline issues just aren't going away and that you are still open-minded about it. It is a valid pursuit and I will definitely keep reading!

I went back to your 2014 article which explored the idea that Zodiac had to take control of the car and it was very convincing as well. I can't believe that if the crime was as pre-planned as Lake Berryessa that he would have known to wait for Stine to put it in park, but if Stine merely pulled over and held the brake I doubt Zodiac would have aborted his mission. Of course if the murder was pre-planned how did he forget to wear gloves?

Sorry to go off topic, but in an unrelated matter, do you know if RPD ever disclosed a lick of info on the phone call they received? Is it known when the call came in or what was said?

Richard
7/31/2017 02:06:22 pm

I personally haven't seen any official documentation of a phone call to Riverside PD. That doesn't mean there wasn't any however. I will scour around and let you know if I find anything, or you can let me know if you discover anything. The gloves issue at PH is a strange one. Possibly he believed he was capable of wiping away the relevant prints. I'll have a good think about it. There was another option in the Stine murder based on the autopsy which showed a lung parenchymal injury.
http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/sudden-impact

Drew
7/31/2017 04:03:35 pm

According to AK Wilks, in the FBI memo it states that "RPD advised them that there was a call made to the police that night." I still don't know whether they were more specific. I am intrigued by the line about the author's line that it was just a warning, as if it may have occurred before the attack. I will definitely let you know if I can find out when "that night" it may have come in.

I have just re-read that article about Paul Stine's lungs. Welshie had a good point on there about the 'death grip' and that bullets don't necessarily propel one forward, but the additional 'dark marks' on the hand ratchets up the possibility that there was a struggle. Though it has never been a big concern of mine that Maple was the intended street it certainly adds to the struggle theory.

Thanks Richard

Richard
8/1/2017 01:26:47 am

I have looked at the AK Wilks FBI memorandum on page 12 of the thread, but unless I am missing something, I cannot see how this confirms that "the letter writer correctly states that a call was made, is very convincing to me that the letter was the actual killer as RPD concluded". Or "The FBI memo states that RPD advised them that there was a call made to the police that night, so the letter writer was correct about that undisclosed fact."
It appears to me that the Confession letter is being discussed on the 30th November 1966 and they are talking about the author, on how he was making it APPEAR he was the killer by referencing a phone call and 'manner of the murder' in his letter. Not that any phone call actually occurred. Unless I am looking at the wrong document Drew.
I don't see any reference to a call being made that night. only a discussion about the authors claim of a call. If I have missed anything let me know. It would be nice to see the whole memo.

Richard
8/1/2017 03:10:19 am

I can totally see how this caption can be misread. They are stating how the author wanted to make it appear that the writer of the letter is actually the murderer. But some people are reading the memo as confirmation, that "made it appear that the writer of the letter is actually the murderer". The author of the Confession stated "Yes I did make that call to you also." When this is referred to in the memo it is changed to "call to police department". It states "He advised (investigator) that other points in the letter, such as the details of the manner of murder and the call to the police department, made it appear that the writer of this letter is actually the murderer." When in fact he was not-he was lying about the phone call, and gleaning information from the newspapers from the manner of murder.
I haven't yet seen confirmation from RPD that there was ever a phone call. I may be wrong and will gladly seek forgiveness Drew, but I cannot see anything convincing in that memo.

Drew
8/1/2017 10:30:10 am

I hear you Richard. If RPD were certain the author was the killer because of this alleged phone call then specifics about it surely would have been discussed because everything else in the letter had already been disclosed. The only way a call confirms it is if it was a Zodiac-esque confession. Why would they sit on a confession call?

Clearly he read the newspapers whether he was the killer or not so what additional material did he provide? The "small knife" claim is interesting but doesn't get us too far. They determined that it had to be at least 3 1/2 inches, but that's not confirmation that it was a small knife. No one knows how big it was. The papers make it sound like it may have been a small knife.

He says he made a call and it appears they received one (or that no one could confirm otherwise). If he is the killer and knows everything has been discovered and published already why not provide more? I think Zodiac would have.

If they could have disproved the letter they wouldn't have published, so there is that, but I doubt that they would have logged the call in any detail unless the caller gave them related information. If RPD received a confession or an explicitly threatening call then that would be persuasive but it would still leave us wondering why the killer who was scratched (and may have lost his watch and been seen smoking at the crime scene) would be calling attention to himself at all as things clearly didn't go as planned.

I will probably change my mind before the day is out but I think if the killer did enter the library of witnesses that evening I don't think he writes a letter (certainly not if he was local). After giving everything to the press they played right into the hand of anyone sick enough to want to exploit the situation and terrorize the community. The hoaxer mindset is as foreign to me as that of the senseless killer. Do you think if he isn't the killer of CJB that he isn't Zodiac either?

As always Richard I appreciate your time.

Richard
8/2/2017 02:38:06 am

Immediately after the autopsy of CJB Captain Cross issued a media appeal giving exact details of the knife size, stating it was 3 inches or smaller. Because the knife wasn't retrieved at the crime scene, he went to the newspapers and television in order to access the public in finding the knife. This is detailed here: http://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/great-642_orig.gif or here http://www.zodiacciphers.com/photographs-4.html
Then on November 2nd 1966 this was reported in the newspapers here http://i.imgur.com/mSYAJFD.jpg
I may change my thoughts on the CJB murder in the future, but at the moment I believe the killer of CJB was either somebody close to the victim or somebody who knew of her. Certainly not a stranger. I don't believe the murderer was the Zodiac Killer, and don't believe the author of the Confession letter was the killer of CJB. If I was pushed, I lean towards somebody with an obsession for Cheri Jo Bates- somebody she is loosely familiar with through her friends or father. But not immediate circle.

Drew
8/2/2017 11:37:26 am

That the Riverside crime and letter are unrelated to Zodiac is always going to be a nagging issue because we can't eliminate the possibility that Zodiac (who I now envision as a woman with a protruding stomach and a buzz cut) had merely read about it.

The symbol on the Bates letters use to be a convincing element for me. It is easy to see a Z or a Scorpio in there, or a Zorro-esque stylization of M for murderer like in the Fritz Lang movie M (a brilliant film by the way). I read your article on the symbol and stared at those things forever, but because they were not duplicated with much care I no longer accept that the symbol was as the egotist's signature.

If we accept that the CJB killing was personal though, doesn't that lend credence to the author's claim? If not then we have two unrelated individuals who have it in for the seemingly upstanding Bates family. Maybe that is not so extraordinary. I suppose someone heartless enough to do the hoax wouldn't necessarily write to the father for personal reasons but rather to further convince authorities of a personal relationship. Strange that the author never used her first name, which surely would have been more effective. Regardless, I do agree that she was likely killed by someone who knew her.

Perhaps I've said this before. I can't quite grasp the scope of evil hoaxing as a social problem. Statistical data on this may be available and helpful but it would seem difficult to quantify the effort.

Richard
8/1/2017 09:45:39 am

The author of the Confession letter labors on mentioning personal details irrelevant to the crime. The author mentions "the beautiful blond", "the shapely blue eyed brunette," "I asked her for a date," "I shall cut off her female parts","Her breast felt very warm", "I am stalking your girls now." Try reading this letter impartiality Drew, as though you have never read it before and all the Zodiac baggage that goes with it. The author is seemingly going out of their way to infer a sexual element, describing "blue eyes," "blond hair," suggesting they asked one out for a date. This is totally un-Zodiac like, who barely dwelled on the victims. What sort of person would write this sort of letter, if they wanted to throw investigators off. A woman. The JoBenet Ramsey ransom note clearly shows a feminine authorship and the dramatic movie style language. If I read this again with a woman in mind, I cannot rule it out. There is the DNA retrieved from the base of Cheri Jo Bates thumb, and DNA can reveal the sex. My point being, if the author of the Confession letter wasn't the killer, just a hoaxer, then it could be a woman hoaxer, attempting to disguise the fact. It just seems a rather bitchy letter. Worth a thought !

Drew
8/1/2017 10:38:56 am

It is worth a thought! There is no trace of that in the Zodiac letters. Maybe that brings the girly desktop poem back into the mix? I'm just kidding lets let the desktop poem stay where it is!

Drew
8/1/2017 11:47:41 am

Well I hope you're happy with yourself Richard, you have stumped the message boards!

Richard
8/1/2017 12:16:43 pm

I believe they think I have lost my marbles. Waiting for the exasperation and ridicule ! I will get back to you on the above question tomorrow. Have a good un.

Alex Lewis
8/6/2017 01:02:49 am

Hmmm, Rich how did I not know that Stine's Toxicology Tests Results came back showing BAC (Blood Alcohol Level) of 0.02?

Sounds too low to be of interest, I know. However, Here is a Statistic from The US Health and Safety Service Website....

"At 0.02, Thinking is dulled, along with changes in mood and behaviour. A BAC of 0.02% at many U.S. companies will require that an employee be relieved of duty for 24 hours. At 0.04 they will be fired.

In an organization with a "zero-tolerance" policy as regards alcohol use, you will be fired if you test at 0.001% BAC"

You aware of Paul's Toxicology result? I wasn't. *Shrugs*

Richard
8/6/2017 01:08:54 am

How did you come by the alcohol reading - what source Alex.

Alex Lewis
8/6/2017 02:18:47 am

Paul Stine record of Death... Go here mate:

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=81&pid=946#top_display_media

Richard
8/6/2017 02:22:43 am

Cheers matey. Mind you it's not much.

Alex Lewis
8/6/2017 02:36:13 am

" Deceased had a large amount of blood on Him, His Clothing and in the front compartment of His Cab..."

Hmmm large amount of blood all over or in the front C'tment of Paul's cab?? Weird this.

"If you wonder why I was wiping down the cab I was leaving fake clews for Police to run all over town with. I enjoy needling the blue pigs!"

I always found this comment odd just by the way Zodiac appears to feel as if He, despite nobody asking or even suggesting, needed to explain why He did or did not do a specific thing.

"If you wonder why I was wiping down the cab. . ." Ermmm, wasn't wondering that actually Z, but now you mentioned it unprovoked, should We be wondering why? Why does this concern you Z, why?

Alex Lewis
8/6/2017 02:40:07 am

He never rushed to offer: "If You wonder why I drove away then came back at Blue Rock..." or "If you wonder why I wore my little costume at Berryessa instead of standard balaclava...." Not interested in explaining these oddities what-so-ever. Why the cab?

Richard
8/6/2017 02:53:32 am

I believe Zodiac was responding to this article about wiping down the taxicab http://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/7117234.jpg?668

Richard
8/6/2017 02:57:23 am

Bumped this comment;
The thing that has always puzzled me Alex, is that the dispatcher took the description from the kids-If this was relayed as a black male adult, 5'10", reddish-brown crew cut, wearing glasses, and dark clothing, didn't this description raise alarm bells with either Pelissetti or Fouke. How many African-American males had reddish-brown crew cuts in 1969. But let this pass for a moment. Donald Fouke passes a man 5'10", with a crew cut, wearing glasses and dark clothing, but his colour is incorrect. Surely with at least four matching descriptors, you still have your suspicion aroused. That is another reason why I believe it was and Fouke stopped the suspect.

Richard
8/6/2017 03:10:09 am

What is the point of taking a full description from the teenagers and then only passing half the description to responding officers. The BMA description you and I both believe was concocted to explain why Fouke was claiming he passed the suspect without stopping him. But if that was the case, then why did he drive straight to Arguello Boulevard after passing him, when he should have turned down Cherry to respond to an assault and robbery.

Richard
8/6/2017 03:39:40 am

As Drew stated on the other article, the airplane cement he claimed he had on his fingertips may be crucial. If this were true, he may have still left partial blooded prints, as the covering of his fingertips was inadequate. More crucially, after his claim of wearing airplane cement on November 9th, surely detectives and forensics would have tested for residue of this cement in the blood retrieved from the taxicab blooded fingerprints. This was certainly achievable in 1969. Had none been found, then the author of the 'Bus Bomb' letter could be easily dismissed. If the author was telling the truth and he did wear airplane cement on his fingertips, by the same argument, the killer of Paul Stine could not be the man observed in the front of the taxicab. He would simply have shot Stine and left. Maybe his partner never took the same precautions, covering his fingertips.

Alex Lewis A BMA!
8/6/2017 08:30:21 am


" The thing that has always puzzled me Alex, is that the dispatcher took the description from the kids-If this was relayed as a black male adult, 5'10", reddish-brown crew cut, wearing glasses, and dark clothing, didn't this description raise alarm bells with either Pelissetti or Fouke..."

Ummm it would do Rich if it were ever given as a description of a BOLO.

That's what BMA is an acronym for....."Bollox! Makingup Allofit"

but, you know, seen as there is no evidence at all for the broadcast having been ussued and, contrary to the evidence appearing to support it's issue, all the evidence seems to indicate it never did get given bt only shows up as a 'Reveal' after Zodiac states "MUST PRINT THIS NEXT BIT IN PAPER! PS-2 COPS PULLED A GOOF!"

That they most certainly did! See Rich I cannot say I 'Know' this description never happened but I can assess all available facts, specifics and the non disputed things along with the dispatcher never named, found or came f'wrd for Comment that....

1- The basic likelihood of this witness, (in all probability Rebecca as Lyndsey had gone downstairs and then ventured outside while call was made to SFPD) who is on a phone with a dispatcher as She is looking directly at this suspect White Man across the street says to Dispatcher: "I ehhh, I see Man! descript....errrr. Human Man! What? what's He look like? Well He's Human, Hes over there with a cloth an...oh and He is Black...."

Now the call was placed as Z is still at cab so Rebecca is either as incompetent as that city's PD, colour blind or at age 15 is unable to distinguish A white man from African American. Likelihood on scale of 1 - 100 with 1 being no chance, 100 almost certainly most likely? 1.5 possibly a 2 if I stretch my Open Minded approach.

Option 2: The Dispatcher is a retard with mental age of 3 weeks of age, very hard of hearing or the KKK grand dragon! All or either way you look at this idea that an SFPD dispatcher of emergency vehicles and personal hears 'WHITE' and instantly goes "Ah-ha! All units BOLO Negro male Adult, 5 '10..." then that dispatcher instantly *POOF* and vanishes from face o Earth! Liklihood that dispatcher made an absolute error of something as a one word, extremely important word, and hears white and mishears the Word for that other word that sounds almost identical to white the two are difficult to distinguish, that being Black! I suppose a call came in stating offence witnessed during Day in light and this dispatching supremeo ..."ALL UNITS CRIME OCCURED AT NIGHT, IN PITCH DARK ZERO VISIBILITY!" Dispatcher error: 1-100 for me? 0. No Chance....

Haaalex Louis
8/6/2017 08:54:11 am

No responding cops were perplexed at this description of Black Male, blonde hair with reddish tint in it (I dunno why they didn't just go an extra step on the stupidity ladder and say the broadcast was given as: "BOLO for Asian Negro Male, Blonde hair & Blue.....possibly green tinged Eyes and this freaky looking impossibility is definatelyyyy gewwwing gwey... but only at wear of His extremely odd looking head!! Over...."

Dispatch this is Unit 217 out on Height Ashbury.....Confirm and repeat descript please, Over....."

Dismissive-dispatcher: "No, Fu*k off, Over..."

It is simply Richard.....Laughable. Children of 6 would try come up with something of this dumbness to justify them being an hour late past deadline to be homeby....

Ma....Dad.....I am late but tis not My fault...Me and Jimmy....Abducted by Aliens on a space ship!

You think parents are speeding out the front door to police station to report a kidnapping of their son by a suspect who is GMA (Grey Male Adult) that came to abduct a little shit all way from Binary Star Sytem of Zeta Reticuli, some 39 Lights years from our little Solar System! Why aren't You wring this in a report officer dick head...?

Richard
8/6/2017 12:12:57 pm

Alex, I have found a different version of the three teenagers description of the suspect, written by Pelissetti "They described him as a male Caucasian, 35-40 years, 5'8", heavy build, short brown hair, wearing eye glasses, dark navy blue or black parka jacket, dark brown trousers and dark shoes."
Here is the police report version "A white male, 25-30 years old, 5'8" to 5'9", stocky build, reddish-brown hair worn in a crew cut, heavy rimmed glasses and dark clothing."
See how their version morphed towards Donald Fouke's description.
"WMA, 35-45 yrs, about 5'10", 180-200 lbs, medium heavy build, barrel chested, medium complexion, light colored hair possibly graying in rear, crew cut, wearing glasses. Dressed in dark blue waist length zipper type jacket (Navy or royal blue). Elastic cuffs and waist band zipped part way up. Brown wool pants pleated type baggy in rear (Rust brown)."

John Corbin
5/23/2020 12:52:16 pm

Do we know if Rebecca called the police from upstairs or downstairs?


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