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THE TRUTH BEHIND 11/9

7/10/2015

 
Bus Bomb letter 11/9/69: "p.s. 2 cops pulled a goof abot 3 min after I left the cab. I was walking down the hill to the park when this cop car pulled up + one of them called me over + asked if I saw anyone acting suspicious or strange in the last 5 to 10 min + I said yes there was this man who was runnig by waveing a gun & the cops peeled rubber + went around the corner as I directed them + I disappeared into the park a block + a half away never to be seen again".  It can be seen the Zodiac Killer is claiming an encounter with two policemen only minutes after the murder of Paul Stine at Washington and Cherry Street in San Francisco.

In the 2007 This is the Zodiac Speaking documentary, Armond Pelissetti was clearly lending credence to this encounter when referring to Officer Donald Fouke, who supposedly spotted the Zodiac Killer by 3712 Jackson Street. Officer Pelissetti said "I spoke to Officer Fouke later that evening and was unaware that he had stopped anybody, black, white or any other color, however, in subsequent conversations with him, he told me that he did stop somebody". Donald Fouke denies that he stopped anybody. It is clear that the Zodiac Killer was not privy to this conversation, and the supposed stopping and questioning of a suspect was not featured in any newspaper articles prior to the November 9th 1969 Bus Bomb letter. The Zodiac claimed that the encounter occurred about 3 minutes after he left the taxicab, so let us examine the timeline of Donald Fouke and the Zodiac Killer that night.   
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Armond Pelissetti stated in the documentary that he and Frank Peda responded "red light and siren" after the dispatcher's call at 9:58 pm.
So, let us surmise for now that the Zodiac left the scene at 9:56 pm. After about three minutes walking, the Zodiac Killer would have arrived close to the intersection of Jackson and Maple, by 3712 Jackson Street, at 9:59 pm - supposedly where this encounter happened.

Donald Fouke stated that he saw a white male entering the stairwell to 3712 Jackson Street. Donald Fouke also received the dispatcher's call at 9:58 pm, while he and his rookie partner Eric Zelms were traveling northbound on Presidio Avenue, having just passed Washington Street. Their journey time from this location is approximately 1 minute to 3712 Jackson Street, indicating that Donald Fouke would have arrived at 9:59 pm - the exact time the Zodiac would have been passing this location.
So, Zodiac's claim of this encounter holds up to the timeline - and bearing in mind Armond Pelissetti's claim that Donald Fouke stated to him that he stopped somebody - it appears to corroborate Zodiac's claim that "two cops pulled a goof".
 
Again, the Zodiac Killer was not privy to the police officers claims or statements prior to November 9th 1969, so it was either a extremely lucky guess on his part or he was telling the truth. It is easy for the police and newspapers to discredit the Zodiac Killer simply by saying "they are the claims of a madman" or "psychopath", but this fails to answer the question. The newspapers made no reference to the officers stopping or even viewing a suspect that night, while also claiming it was unlikely the Zodiac Killer had entered the park that night on account of the sniffer dogs employed in the search. But this appears not be the case. His claim above, of talking to Donald Fouke and Eric Zelms is likely true (as the timeline suggests) - and unless Armond Pelissetti was lying - it placed Donald Fouke in a direct path with the killer at 9:59 pm that night. Not withstanding the fact, that the Zodiac Killer knew nothing of Donald Fouke's route that night, which ties in perfectly. The embarrassment of questioning a suspect and then letting him on his way, may have been something that would be better glossed over, yet something the Zodiac was keen to capitalize on in his extensive Bus Bomb letter and insisting it must be printed in the newspapers. In other words, he wanted to highlight this fact - something that had clearly been kept under wraps. But if this were the truth, how many other of the Zodiac claims were true. Let's take a look. 

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"The cops peeled rubber + went around the corner as I directed them + I disappeared into the park a block + a half away never to be seen again". This encounter was claimed to have occurred at 3712 Jackson Street, just before the intersection of Jackson and Maple. So, if the Zodiac disappeared into the park one block and a half away, we shall travel this distance. Although just under a block and a half, the nearest to this description is Spruce Street, shown here. From this location the Zodiac Killer could easily enter the park at a safer distance from any searches that may have materialized and distance himself from where he was initially spotted. It also lies closer to his initial claim of a murder by "Washington and Maple", if this was his original intended destination.

Of course, some of his claims to have been hiding in the park could have been bolstered by adding detail he subsequently read in the newspapers, but there is one thing he stated that not only boosts the idea he entered the park via Spruce Street and hid in the trees there, but is descriptive enough to provide us with a location. This is what the Zodiac Killer stated in the Bus Bomb letter: "I gave the cops som bussy work to do to keep them happy. I enjoy needling the blue pigs. Hey blue pig I was in the park -- you were useing fire trucks to mask the sound of your cruzeing prowl cars. The dogs never came with in 2 blocks of me + they were to the west + there was only 2 groups of parking about 10 min apart then the motor cicles went by about 150 ft away going from south to north west." The Zodiac Killer again backs up the idea he entered the park via Spruce Street saying "The dogs never came with in 2 blocks of me + they were to the west". This suggests that if we travel just over two blocks west of the Spruce Street entrance to the park, this is where the police, fire trucks, motorcycles and dogs were milling around. See here. The Arguello Boulevard entrance to the park is just over two blocks. 

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We now have Zodiac possibly entering the park at Spruce Street, but can we narrow it down further. In the topographic maps of 1968, the layout of the park's trees and hedges have altered little to affect this analysis and can be viewed here.

Many of the police would have flooded the park via the Arguello Boulevard entrance - this is the area of dense growth highlighted on the map by the red ellipse shown to the left. This activity was noted by the killer "Hey blue pig I was in the park -- you were useing fire trucks to mask the sound of your cruzeing prowl cars. The dogs never came with in 2 blocks of me + they were to the west". But he went on to add one further critical statement, that may have pinpointed his exact location within the park: "There was only 2 groups of parking about 10 min apart, then the motor cicles went by about 150 ft away going from south to north west".

They were going from south to northwest. So what road was the Zodiac describing from his vantage point, allowing him to view this directional movement of traffic? There was elevation in the park - but his view would also have been masked by trees. This image on Google Maps shows part of the Arguello Boulevard masked by trees, however, a little further on it opens up. This section of Arguello Boulevard frees itself from the tree line and heads from south to northwest, just as the Zodiac stated in the Bus Bomb letter. All that is left for us to do is pinpoint his location, allowing him to clearly view this area. The police would certainly have focused on this area, as it was not only a key entrance to the park but also an area of dense growth, availing many possibilities to escape into. So, let us travel back to the entrance to the park from Spruce Street.

Knowing of the commotion to the west, logically the Zodiac Killer should have accessed cover immediately to the east after entering the park - somewhere in the region shown below. Notice the line of sight available to the Zodiac to that portion of Arguello Boulevard we mentioned earlier, running from south to northwest, thereby giving us a viable location for the Zodiac Killer on October 11th 1969, a matter of minutes after the crime. It may well be the case that if the Zodiac didn't have a car waiting somewhere by the intersection of Jackson and Maple, for fear of vehicle identification, then his claim of entering the park that night may well be true after all.

After viewing the police to the west, including any scent dogs, he may have cut his losses. He couldn't head west, and he surely wouldn't have re-entered West Pacific Avenue or Jackson Street, so the realistic option available to him, was to head eastwards toward Cow Hollow or the Marina District. But, bearing in mind he may have been covered in blood, is it possible he lived in a house backing onto the park or likely had his vehicle parked there, affording him a distinct separation from the Presidio Heights area? Or was the Zodiac Killer a liar as Chief of Inspectors Martin Lee contended, and the Zodiac Killer was never in the park at all?

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Richard
7/10/2015 04:24:37 pm

Here is Arguello Boulevard in the park looking down towards the Zodiac position.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.792246,-122.458221,3a,75y,92.4h,59.13t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLioWhDnggQ5TlhItaRzSEw!2e0!3e5!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Alex Lewis
8/6/2015 12:07:03 pm

Speaking of Zodiac possibly entering the Presidio and/or Julius Kahn Park via Spruce rather than Maple there is a suggestion, that even has proof in the form a recorded phone call with Armond Pelissetti, that Armond went passed Maple toward Spruce, a person I'll call Steve has personally heard Pelissetti in a recorded conversation with a fairly well known Zodiac Researcher I'll call M, and 'Steve' recalls. . .

"M started to ask Pelissetti to describe what happened on the night of the Stine murder and Pelissetti stopped him short. Pelissetti said that everything he had to say he said on that DVD, so there was no need for M to ask him questions. He elaborated by saying that he spotted this man in his own front yard with a dog on a leash and he was not wearing the same clothes that had been described for the killer, and that he was not sweating."

If Armond encounters Kjell with Kjell in his own front yard, yet another version of the what happened that night, then this means Armond passes Maple and continues on toward Spruce.

'Steve' then started suspecting this man, Qvale, to be involved in the cab killing and got some fairly highly respected people to show support for this idea. In 2004 in the midst of Kjell being suspected and accused by Steve, Steve picked up his phone one day to discover the caller was Pelissetti who rather angrily informed him that his suspect (Qvale) 'has an alibi and has been cleared.'
Then Armond told a third person, who's identity I do not know, that: "If that clown Steve from New Jersey is right, He is sure going to make me look a right Ass!"

Alex Lewis
8/6/2015 12:27:40 pm

Steve got support from highly respected criminal profiler Richard Walter, who suggested that the offender was not what most reports seem to suggest but that in His opinion the person who calls himself Zodiac will be a highly influential man who already has status and means and a degree of power over others. He is the type that enough is never enough and craves more power to control to satisfy his own ego. Walter said that in his professional opinion, 'Steve's' suspect fit's perfectly with his profile and assessment.

Steve put together a full report and submitted it to several agencies and specific people, including Pelissetti himself. Pelissetti trashed it & called it "amateurish." But in response to this, and of significance, is: This was the same report that a Superior Court Judge from Solano had read in 2001 and declared the author of this report had, quote: "The suspect here is the only true prime suspect in the case."

Alex Lewis
8/6/2015 12:48:28 pm

Walter traveled from State to State in America training would be Criminal Profilers and forensic psychologists. He has personally interviewed 22,000 convicted felons, and is one of the co-founders of an organization that investigates and attempts to solve cold cases. So, when in 2001 Walter was asked to look at the Zodiac case, He readily agreed, but his report on what class or type of person He believes this Offender was, was somewhat unexpected.

Walter examimed all four crimes and the scenes in detail along with what Zodiac did and did not do at each scene etc. He determined that the reason why Zodiac has never been caught is clear to him, everybody seems to be looking for the wrong type of person. Walter suggests that contrary to what some others have said, this man was not killing to compensate for his feelings of powerlessness but, in fact, quite the opposite He believed to be the case in that this man, based on his actions and known behaviors is a "power-assertive" killer. This type of perpetrator is one who deals from a position of power and whose crimes are committed to increase his feelings of power, not to compensate for feelings of powerlessness, as suggested by other profilers. What he desires is power that is limited only by the bounds of his own imagination.

Robin Smith
8/29/2015 12:17:20 am

This opinion leads me right back to SF and Robert E Hunter Jr and his co conspirators. That's why Sylvia Morton Hunter divorced him.

Paul Stine was going to start a "new" job with the SF CHRONICLE.

AGAIN I suggest to the readers to check out SYLVIA MORTON HUNTER KINGSLEY'S obituary in the SF CHRONICLE. STELLAR...long history with the social elite of the bay area and on and on.She was a really big deal in SF society.

Robert "Bob" Hunter was ex military, owned properties in the wine country and Sierra's and was a life long member and stage performer at the Bohemian Club

My personal opinion only, is, that he looked like a weasel. This Uncle of Cheri Jo Bates that flew to Riverside on weekends with Donna Lass and Darlene Ferrin.

Robin Smith
8/29/2015 01:16:55 am

OOOPS!

"Bob" Hnter was the Uncle of Cheri Jo Bates' friend. The friend that did not meet Cheri Jo at the library the night she was murdered because Uncle "Bob" was in town as was Bruce Davis.

They, Bruce and Uncle "Bob", both left town right after the murder.

Chad
1/29/2018 11:07:14 pm

zodiac was there no doubt... he def saw the cops fouke seems bitter and hard headed bout it but really its the dispatchers fault... ive always believed zodiac did talk to some cops that night! if u look at his track record he is real good at rubbing cops noses in shit... his stine shirt, describing ammo used, bomb designs, calling from phone rt by station, letter after letter... only thing he didnt do was bomb the bus so he could be lying but i doubt when it comes to cops

Robin Smith
8/29/2015 01:27:28 am

The big question is:

When did Sylvia divorce "Bob"?

Somebody must be able to find this info.

Robin Smith
8/29/2015 01:48:42 am

These type discrepancies between what the Z letters say and what actually happened have been alluded to before and have been pointed out before.

Most recently in the "NOBODY IN THE TURNOUT".

What was written in the Z letter had discrepancies and that's what made me reread this writers position

Robin Smith
8/29/2015 03:41:50 am

The one murder that we most assuredly know Larry Kane committed is the Dana Lull murder in Las Vegas(1974)...eyewitness ID and the cop that stopped Kane the night Dana Lull was taken also ID'd a photo oKane

Dana Lull if I am correct was killed with a single shot behind her left ear?

Well execution style killer and slasher, stabber 50x etc are simply not the same killer...period.

Larry Kane was a Jew...Mafioso is 100% SICILIAN by blood, period.

Larry Kane stalked Darlene Ferrin and was friends with Paul Stine and Robert E Hunter Jr.

boyscout69
1/14/2016 03:03:21 pm

ZODIAC never went in to the park or woods ZODIAC lie in his letter on purpose this is ZODIAC and you people don't understand his modus operandi..... to not make credible what he say and to confuse the law enforcement ZODIAC walk to his car away from the crime scene ZODIAC give us a clue: I WAS THINKING TO TAKE THE BUS..............how far is the bus stop back in the days and which bus stop was talking............see little lad is not easy to be investigator but I tell you what I read form those letters and information from a trusted person.......????

k.Arul kumar
3/15/2016 09:54:48 pm

I NEED MORE INFERMATION FOR PLANT INTER RELATION NAKSHATRA


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