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THE SHADOW OF OLD MONTANA PRISON

3/15/2014

 
"Today, when I think about all the different types I met in that excuse for a penitentiary, this man remains my most uncomfortable memory". Striking words from a convicted serial killer, who in 1961 became one of America's most wanted fugitives, appearing on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list. That man was Edward Wayne Edwards - and the man he was talking about was Donald Lee Bujok - promulgated as a prime candidate for the murders of five people in Northern California in the late 1960s by Zodiac researcher Kevin Robert Brooks. This extract was taken from an Edward Edwards autobiography entitled Metamorphosis of a Criminal, and left you in no doubt that there was more to Donald Lee Bujok than could possibly be imagined.

The penitentiary Edward Edwards was referring to was Old Montana State Prison, approximately three and a half miles west of Deer Lodge. Donald Lee Bujok had spent eleven years at the prison, serving time for the brutal slaying of Deputy Otto Fossen, who was shot five times in the neck and chest in the small town of Joplin, Montana on October 5th 1957. Built in 1871, Old Montana State Prison suffered badly with overcrowding, and prisoners daily life mirrored the bleak walls that confined them. The only solace was sought through work related activities and occasional visits to the W.A. Clark Theater, built in 1919 under the governance of Warden Conley. It seated around 600 and hosted a variety of events that included traveling theater groups, movies, concerts and religious services, providing temporary relief to inmates, who for the most part relied heavily on introspection to wile away the harsh realities that became an everyday occurrence. Donald Lee Bujok was no exception to this rule, performing many jobs within the prison, notably a kitchen clerk, upholsterer and garment maker, but in an attempt to escape his reality may have ascended to an altogether different level of existence, driven by a fascination for Egyptian literature and science fiction, apparent in the striking memoirs of Edward Wayne Edwards. Donald Lee Bujok, strangled by the rigors of daily life in prison sought his escape into the non-material realm of fantasy, embracing an afterlife that would eventually be realized a few years later in the very real world of Northern California, one dark December night in 1968.
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Old Montana Prison
The shadow of Old Montana Prison became the embodiment of all things evil, when the headlights of the car driven by Donald Lee Bujok flickered across the dark twisting road of Lake Herman on December 20th 1968 and his route to paradise, that he had sought for eleven years, was just moments away, Sadly it came at great cost and the paradise sought by the Zodiac Killer was the paradise lost by so many, in the the wake of Northern California's most reviled and elusive killer. A chapter that has left its mark for over four decades and one that began in memories recalled within the writings of Edward Wayne Edwards autobiography, Metamorphosis of a Criminal.  

Kevin Robert Brooks has examined in depth the early life of Donald Lee Bujok, that may have seeded the very inception of the Zodiac Killer, through to the numerous letters and cards he mailed to the San Francisco Chronicle, along with other associated publications - and believes his search for America's most notorious serial killer may be coming to an end. One such letter he has analyzed may possibly have marked the final chapter of this story, sent to the San Francisco Chronicle on January 29th 1974 - that of the Exorcist letter, believed by many to be the Zodiac Killer's final letter and impending epitaph.               
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The Zodiac Killer throughout his correspondence exhibited an overt interest in the theatrical, never more so than the Little List letter he mailed to the San Francisco Chronicle on July 26th 1970, paraphrasing extracts from The Mikado, a two-part comic opera by Gilbert and Sullivan, which opened to the paying public on March 14th 1885, and was hugely successful running for 672 performances at the Savoy Theatre in London.

In his later correspondence, his interest in the movies came to the forefront, mentioning the film Badlands, Red Phantom (El Espectro Rojo), possibly The Car (in a now unauthenticated letter sent on Wednesday October 28th 1987) and the Exorcist letter, ridiculing the William Friedkin horror film released in 1973. But the Exorcist correspondence encompassed both - reciting lines from The Mikado's Tit Willow, as well as embodying the movie angle into its design. The author also added Asian style characters at the foot of the letter, reminiscent of Japanese stylism. The Zodiac Killer used a blue felt tip pen when writing this letter, causing occasional filling on the circular letters. Kevin Robert Brooks believes the F style symbol to be the word "To", so when the symbols are reorganized, they spell the words "To Kill". Just above the symbols he wrote "PS if I do not see this note in your paper, I will do something nasty, which you know I'm capable of doing".

PictureOriginal layout of the Exorcist Letter mailed to the San Francisco Chronicle on January 29th 1974.
He stated something eerily similiar in his first correspondence to authorities, when he mailed part two of his three part 408 cipher to the San Francisco Chronicle on July 31st 1969. On that occasion he wrote "Here is part of a cipher, the other 2 parts of this cipher are being mailed to the editors of the Vallejo Times and SF Examiner. I want you to print this cipher on the front page of your paper. In this cipher is my idenity. If you do not print this cipher by the afternoon of Fry.1st of Aug 69, I will go on a kill ram-Page Fry. night.  I will cruse around all weekend killing lone people in the night then move on to kill again, until I end up with a dozen people over the weekend". In both examples the threat of non-publication would result in further consequences. On July 31st 1969 the threat was murder, so why should it be any different in the January 29th 1974 Exorcist letter, thereby completing the phrase "PS if I do not see this note in your paper, I will do something nasty, which you know I'm capable of doing. To Kill".

Another striking comparison can be found in authenticated correspondence Donald Lee Bujok mailed to the Billings Gazette in Montana on June 2nd 1974, just over four months after the receipt of the Exorcist letter. It also ridiculed the idea of demonic possession stating "If his work was impressive enough, we could then extend his services to Deer Lodge. Just think of the money we could save by releasing de-possessed people who would no longer require confinement" and "Exorcism? Evil Spirits? Possession? I have a word to describe this so called phenomenon, but I'll use the initials BS, because I don't think the editor would print my expletive".
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Donald Lee Bujok article sent to the Billings Gazette in Montana on June 2nd 1974.
Of course, Donald Lee Bujok wrote many letters to the Billings Gazette and while some showed parallels to the Zodiac Killer letters, many did not. However, this correspondence to the Billings Gazette held a little more. He began this letter with the wording "I have been reading and hearing all about the Exorcist in Billings". In the Exorcist letter the Zodiac Killer began with "I saw and think the Exorcist was the best satirical comedy that I have ever seen". Very similar in phraseology. He also makes reference to Deer Lodge Prison. Significant, as this was purportedly mentioned by the attacker at Lake Berryessa on September 27th 1969.    
On October 5th 1970, exactly thirteen years after the murder of Deputy Otto Fossen in 1957, '13 bullet holes' punched through the fabric of the 13 Hole Postcard arrived at the San Francisco Chronicle with the words "FK I'm Crackproof, What is the price tag now?". But this is another story. See  http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/thirteen-holes-in-time

Below is a sketch created by Kevin Robert Brooks, taken from a photograph of Donald Lee Bujok aged in his late 40s.
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Kevin Robert Brooks link
3/18/2014 11:14:45 am

There is a 'writers palm print' on this the Exorcist letter. We have personal letters and signatures that should have "writers palm" as well...

Robin Smith
12/31/2014 11:21:55 pm

KRB...does any of your research put Bujok in Lake Tahoe?

I am of the belief that their was more than one Z person.and that they communicated through these 'missives'.

I have a postcard with Larry Cane's DNA on the stamps, well the card was sent rom Australia to a personal friend of Larry Cane. He sent it as Cane so it must have been after he changed his name from Kane/Kaye.

The postmark/date is on a dark area of the picture of Melbourne N0t legible.

Robin

Michael
4/12/2014 10:12:35 pm

I am interested to know if anyone can place this suspect in or around anywhere in N. CA at the times of the murders. I do not question that this' man is a cop killer and obviously demented, but he lived in Montana, which for those of us who like to travel and read all know is not exactly close to Vallejo or San Fran. From all that I have read the Zodiac killer is most definitely a CA resident, and the most legitimate suspect is Lawrence Kane, who retires detective Harvey Hines has extensively investigated.

Rich
4/12/2014 10:45:49 pm

I try to stay neutral on Zodiac suspects, however I do find some more likely than others. As for Donald Lee Bujok the body of information you read on this site is provided by Kevin Robert Brooks and the extent that you read, is as far as my knowledge goes. Kevin has far more information on this man than me in terms of his movements, but I believe he is retaining most of his knowledge for publication purposes. He visits here regularly and no doubt will reply to your question soon. However if you want to pose this question to him personally, use the comments section on his youtube video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNnppxPZaoM Thanks,
Richard.

David Bujok
5/17/2014 04:44:48 pm

I don't know who this guy thinks he is but to drag my relatives last name through the mud like this is atrocious and once I've shared the information with my ailing grandfather (Donalds cousin) he was uphalled at such a travistie you either come up with some hard facts and evidence or you stop dragging my relative through the mud with your crock pot theory's I don't appreciate people that do investigate the zodiac killer asking me questions because of my last name and being relation to me.

Robin Smith
12/30/2014 02:47:58 am

if you want to pose this question to him personally use the comments section on his youtube video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?vGNppxPZaoM Thanks

J.C
12/18/2014 10:10:57 pm

Suck it up, Buyok.

Robin Smith
12/31/2014 01:06:45 am

'On October 5, 1970 exactly 13 yrs after the Fossen murder in 1957, 13 Hole Postcard arrives at San Francisco Chronicle, "FK I'm crackproof"

You have Bruce Davis' birthday (Oct 5) and the proof of authorship...crackproof and the SF Chronicle link.

N0w, it would satisfy the numbers criteria to, add Richard L Chartrand (car bomb in SKYLAND, Nv Aug 27, 1968) and Dr Charles L Hollingsworth who (went missing Oct 26, 1970).

N0te his (Dr's) car was found near the Ca/Nv Stateline at Lake Topaz, near the Leviathan Mine. The Halloween Card was mailed 10/27/70.

Would it surprise anyone to kN0w that Donna Lass and Larry Kane both knew Dr Charles L Hollingsworth?

Would it surprise anyone to kN0w that Larry Kane knew Richard L Chartrand...owner of Barney's Club at Stateline, Nv...just across the street (Hwy 50) from the Sahara Tahoe?

As a matter of fact Donna was kN0wn to go out with two (roomates)KeN0 writers from Barney's. Those Asian symbols everyone keeps talking about look like Keno writer's strokes to me.

Richard was from FRESN0 as was Del E Webb. Webb didn't move to AZ and start his signature company until he was 29.

His (Webb's) money was made from MILITARY contracts. ooops the M word!

Robin Smith
12/31/2014 05:35:41 pm

Bruce Davis always said he wanted to "blow someone up". I think he did! Richard L Chartrand April1,1926 - Aug 27,1968

Robin

Kevin Robert Brooks link
1/26/2015 12:32:02 am

We already have the proof to put this to rest... Zodiac was in fact 'Donald Lee Bujok'. Our team has done the work!

Kevin Robert Brooks / Zodiac the Montana Connection

Robin Smith
1/27/2015 12:17:55 am

KRB....Can you place Bujok in the TAHOE area on Aug 27, 1968, Sep 6, 1970 or Oct 26, 1970?

He was obviously alibied before his Dec 17,1968 release from Montana Prison.

Robin Smith
1/27/2015 07:50:07 pm

KRB...Thanks so much for your comment , "We've put this to rest"...Nice, that was a BIG help.

Robin

Robin Smith
1/26/2015 01:06:54 am

KRB...I have a theory that Zodiac is a cover-up operation and This Bujok fits in the timeline perfectly.

All I have to work with as far as individuals operating is my personal kN0wledge of the TAHOE 'bunch', which includes Larry Kane as well as Bruce Davis....

The list of Z POI's in the TAHOE area in the 1967-1970 period is unbelievable!

The Zodiac investigation has been intentionally "Mired in a Myriad of Minutiae.

ZODIAC: COS, MANSON AND THE MOB

Robin

P.S. As far as I can see, with limited info I have access to, Bujok fits in there just fine:)

Robin Smith
1/26/2015 07:08:30 am

KRB....Looks like to me that 'your boy' Bujok was in this Old Montana Prison on 10/30/1966 when Cheri Jo Bates was murdered in Riverside.

Robin Smith
1/26/2015 11:43:59 pm

KRB:) so good to find someone that kN0ws about Montana.

I find a Bruce Davis connection here to L Ron Hubbard who was raised in Helena, Montana.

Bruce Davis was an editor in school and he was seriously involved with Scientology's L Ron Hubbard(LRH)...because of his drug use Bruce Davis somehow got involved with MANSON.

I worked for DOJ in Greeley, Co when I was at UNC Greeley and have some kN0wledge of these prison types from the day....N0t that the system has changed all that much. The inmates have their own unique methods of communicating with each other and they do.

Do you have info regarding a LRH/Bruce Davis connection to Bujok?

Robin

Joe
1/29/2015 12:06:57 am

Whybdoes Kevin NEVER answer any questions, especially when the ask about Don ever being in California? I came across his YouTube page, have read all the articles, ect. It's all very interesting. However I have yet to see ANYTHING that places him at or even in the same state as any of the crimes. And when I see his responses on these sites, he just keeps saying "it's over. Me & my team did the work" and accuses anyone for asking a very simple question of bashing him. I am NOT. I would just like a single example of PROOF that he even could have committed these crimes. Was he EVER even in California????

Robin Sith
1/29/2015 12:18:46 am

Joe,
I'm on it!...my theory...has room for this Bujok person as one of the Z's.....however I am encountering the same problem with KRB as you as you can see by my posts.

Many of the facts as I kN0w the, are posted at Alex Lewis' site....and many of these links have my comments...a Myriad of Minutiae!

I think Zodiac was a cover-up operation. I kN0w as a fact that Larry Kane and Bruce Davis knew each other. I kN0w this as a fact because I live at Lake Tahoe and personally knew many of the players...some are still alive and they are the ones I am after:)

Robin

Robin Smith
2/4/2015 04:34:00 am

Joe

My main interest is Donna Lass RN, who went missing from the SAHARA TAHOE Sep 6, 1970 where she was working.

This necessarily includes Lawrence Kane who was also working at the SAHARA TAHOE at the same time and knew Donna.

The history of these two is found at Alex Lewis' site at Larry Kane-Zodiac Killer.

The point being that my kN0wledge of the Z case is limited and I encounter the same problem as you had with this Brooks person and to be fair, several other "Z" searchers!

Good luck
Robin

Reformed Zodiaddict
2/6/2015 01:27:00 am

Now I havn't been keeping up with the Zodaic case in a long time. The biggest main stream "break" I remember was when they did that mockumentary on Gakowski. I did see some of KRBs evidence before I completely tossed away my interest in the case, and the 13 hole postcard really gave me peace and I thought it was over. However, I have not seen an official conclusion of KRB's evidence yet but the other day when a relative of mine spoke of Zodiac, he mentioned the connection between Z and Darlene. That got me thinking, if Bujok had a connection to Darlene, what was it?
I appreciate that people are still digging into this case, but I myself was about to lose my mind over it. I hope somebody will be able to bring me peace in the near future.

Robin Smith
2/6/2015 04:48:15 am

Do N0t lose your mind!...N0t good:(...however I am able to see how easy it is to get lost in all this s*** or as "the S*******'s put it a Mriad of Minutiae...all jest on the square aside Reform'd...

My kN0wledge of the "Z" case is totally reliant upon my 'authorities' and Ground Zero for me is Donna Lass. My interest was N0t generated until 2001, when reading a local Tahoe Daily Tribune article by Gregory Crofton was titled "Zodiac Killer Struck In Tahoe".

I was totally unaware that this happened literally next to me as I was there at the SAHARA TAHOE Sep 6, 1970.

Anyway long story short...which I have sprinkled all over these links, any that pertain to Larry Kane or Donna Lass.

As far as a Bujok/Darlene connection that would take a lot of brain storming here, very complicated with the Donna/Darlene/Kane/Stine connections and my theory includes Bruce Davis.

If you or anyone else wants to talk to me..I am really much more coherent in person

Robin Smith
530-541-1155
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Reformed Zodiaddict
2/6/2015 06:59:07 am

I just looked up Donna Lass, I read a short overview of the disappearence and Zodiac connection. I remember shortly looking into the letter clueing in on a body, which could be Donna Lass.
I guess I'll sit back and wait out a new break in the case, maybe get myself a copy of KRB's book while I'm waiting..

Robin Smith
2/6/2015 10:23:21 pm

Joe Alioto became Mayor of SF in 1968 and there were allegations of his nighttime meetings at the NUT TREE restaurant in Vacaville with people like "Jimmy the Weasel" (1913-1993) an admitted mafia hit man....and some guy kN0wn as "Jimmy the Hat' Linza (1902-2003)

Darlene and Donna were kN0wn to go there.

Robin Smith
2/6/2015 10:35:47 pm

As early as 1960 L Ron Hubbard (LRH) proposed that Scientology should infiltrate government departments by taking low level secretarial, bodyguard etc jobs.

The specific branch of Scientology responsible for 'Operation Snow White) was the Gaurdians Office (GO) created in 1966. Wiki

Kevin Robert Brooks link
2/25/2015 09:45:57 pm

Reformed Zodiaddict:

There is much more to come and far more compelling evidence we have. There is a group of professionals working with me that know what we have and it will be presented. Had it not been for some on those web-sites sharing what they agreed "not to" this would already have been done and over... It's sad that some of the victims have not gotten closure yet because of people that discredit us when the truth is plain to seen.... We will be redeemed.... This I promise! Do not send your hard earned money to people claiming they are "hunting the Zodiac Killer" .... The hunt is over... He was in fact Donald Lee Bujok! We have asked for no money or anything from anyone! All our work was done on our dime and time by us!

Kevin Robert Brooks / 'Zodiac the Montana Connection'

Robin SSmith
2/26/2015 12:35:08 am

KRB....Had it N0t been for some on those web-sites sharing what they agreed "N0t to" this already been done and over...

I have to disagree...if ALL the people had shared ALL the information this would have been over.

It has been my experience that if everyone has the complete information...everyone will come up with a slightly different conclusion from which the truth becomes obvious.

Robin

Kevin Robert Brooks link
10/16/2015 05:28:35 am

It is over and we have the answers but the right questions have to be asked of me by the right people... There are answers and we have them... I don't want or trust some in the Z community as we have had some pretty horrible things happen when we gave information to the wrong people... Reformed Zoddiaddict this case will take your life away... It has mine in many ways... Thank you kindly for the compliment on our work! There are many more pieces we have and it creates a completion of the puzzle. I have been insulted, critiqued, laughed at, been called names and even spit at... However, you will see when all the legal ends are complete that we have indeed solved this case.

Robin Smith
10/16/2015 07:44:32 am

KRB...same old routine...YOU have SOLVED the case and everyone else needs to shut the hell up and mind their own business!

The right people? The right questions?!

Exactly who are you? Get a grip.

Reformee Zodiaddict
10/16/2015 09:36:54 pm

Thank you for your ongoing engagement in the case, I take you on your word when you say you can lose your life to this case, since I was close to be completely sucked in myself.

But anyways Kevin, is there any news on when the previouslt mentioned book will drop so I can read and study your investegation and conclusion?

Robin Smith
2/6/2015 07:33:00 am

Donna Lass is only associated with Z because of these clews that someone started sending months after her disappearance.

N0body it seems, paid any attention whatsoever about her going missing!...Exception being of course Donna's family who apparently got N0 action and less respect from any and all 'officals' at all levels...suspicious on it's face for collusion and conspiracy.

.well enter the KANE factor...then enter all the factors that connect Darlene with KANE and DONNA AND STINE AND ROBERT E HUNTER JR!

Well the connections just keep getting connected...... right here in LAKE TAHOE!

Robin Smith
2/6/2015 07:41:53 am

P.S.
Reformed....if you do find out where Bujok was please let us kN0w!
The only Z murders I find at the 'core of my cover up theory" are Cheri Jo Bates...knew Darlene...Darlene knew Stine/Kane/Donna/Hunter Jr
Cheri Jo Bates knew Robert E Hunter Jrs' neice
Bruce Davis knew all of the aforementioned

Like I've said before...Lotsa young girls here and girls talk.

Robin Smith
2/6/2015 04:20:44 pm

P.P.S.

Sometime in 1974 BRUCE DAVIS sent word that he was N0t accepting any communication from MANSON or his 'bunch':)

These 'prison' types communicate and it looks like Bujok could have been doing ciphers and letters to the editor for the "Z".

L Ron Hubbard was raised in Helena, Montana. Bruce Davis was tied to LRH as was MANSON. Scientology connection is involved with the cover-up as LRH was a friend of Anton LaVey and neither of them wanted a connection to Z---- so Bujok just sat around prison writing ciphers and roiling the turf....waiting probably for his chance to get a shot or take a stab at the action.

Referring to of course the Z'ers who do N0t ever communicate directly with or kN0w for that matter who each other are. Everyone has seen these MOVIES.

MOTHER KANE can N0t escape scrutiny as a contributor either, as she fits the profile of a domineering MOTHER. Kane could N0t even serve in the Navy because of hysteria about his MOTHER...

KANE was obviously one of the 1920's born J Edgar Hoover 'bunch' Lt Col Michael AquiN0 oops Back to Anton LaVey! and The Presidio.

Alex Lewis has uncovered some newspaper articles from 1950 New York when Kane was involved with gambling junkets to LAS VEGAS and Kane was dealing with the Heiress Shirley Carmel who was involved with singer Johnny Johnston who was married to Kathryn Grayson at the time. BIG Hollywood scandal...this could and does go on forever!!!

Therefore continuing the riddle of Z which was all brought together with the DEBUT OF Z letter.

T.M.
2/22/2015 01:21:27 am

Robin -

I have some more articles on 'Larry Kaye' posted at the following address:-

photobucket.com/user/Galaxie5001/library/Larry%20Kaye?sort=3&page=1

Howard link
6/24/2017 03:49:25 pm

Robin,
There is only one other town named Deer Lodge in the US. It is in Tn. near where Bruce Davis hunted as a young man. He was reared in Roane County.
So the city name would be in his mind.
I was surprised you saw the October 5 officer death then 13 years later the 10/5/70 postcard is sent. Davis DOB 10/5/42.
I tried to place Davis in Lake Tahoe for years then l got a Davis parole hearing report where he says he worked in Tahoe and used a " fake drivers license."

Robin Smith
2/22/2015 01:57:01 am

T.M....Is this the link you posted at Alex Lewis' site?.

I am an oldster from the 'day' and techN0logically challenged. My computer does N0thing and goes N0where therefore I rely upon authorities.

My interest as outlined on several of Richard Grinell links and Alex Lewis' site.

Donna Lass knew Larry Kane, Bruce Davis and Darlene Ferrin.
Larry Kane AND Bruce Davis knew each other.

N0w this trio from Montana Deer Lodge figures in my theory of Z as a cover-up for L Ron Hubbard/Scientology and his connections to Bruce and ZMob/Manson/J Edgar Hoover.

LAKE TAHOE is ground Zero for me as all of the above frequented LAKE TAHOE in the 60's

Robin

Robin Smith
2/22/2015 02:04:56 am

P.S. One of the articles Alex Lewis posted mentioned Larry Kaye's MOTHER. N0 one pays attention to the MOTHER OF Kaye/Kane!

Any more mention of her in your articles TM?

T.M.
2/22/2015 08:01:59 am

Aside from the snippet already posted at Alex Lewis' site, no. I do, however, have some census information. Both of her parents were Russian Jewish immigrants. Her father, Hymen Brodsky, worked in the advertising business, and her mother, Frieda Brodsky (or Benjamin), was unemployed. In 1940, they were living at 4600 14th Avenue, in Brooklyn, NY.

Robin Smith
2/22/2015 11:00:59 am

T.M.

According to Alex's info..that's all I have, Kane was discharged from the Navy because of his abN0rmal attachment to his mother and hers to him.

One statement says he was living in a STUDIO apartment in Stateline, Nv with his mother. This from a poster on one of these sites that said she knew 'Larry' for 15 yrs.

He lived with her till he was in his 50's according to Alex Lewis' info page.. We do N0t kN0w when she died...where she's buried

TOTAL lack of evidence is proof of a conspiracy is it N0t?

Too many questions and literally N0 information about her

I do N0t see that he could have gotten away with all this deviant behavior and she N0t kN0w and/or be a party too if N0t the actual conspirator with the F.B.I.

Also N0 info about Kane's school...Alex Lewis has already found that Kane had high intelligence....evidenced by the statement that Kane had an extraordinary kN0wledge of civil law.

And N0w I find out that one of these Montana guys was in proximity to Kane at the time of the Paul Stine murder...long discussion about that on the Don Bujok link!

Robin

Robin Smith
2/24/2015 11:07:06 pm

T.M.

Did you send Alex Lewis the info about Kane's mother? Very interesting.....his (LK) mother's maiden name was Brodsky/Benjamin......do you happen to have the same type info on his father?

This has got to be a part of the J Edgar Hoover/Mob mess from WWll, Myer Lansky/Las Vegas connection apparent in the newspaper clippings you found from 1950's NY...

I found it strange that the heiress Shirley Carmel commented that she met Kane's mother at Penn Station...and I N0ticed that some of Kane's offences were in Miami, Fla,

Robin

T.M.
2/25/2015 09:40:22 am


The census details have been on my photobucket page, so assuming that Alex has checked the page since we last corresponded, then yes, he should have it. Unfortunately, the information that I have on Larry’s father is rather scant and insubstantial. That “Morris Klein” was such a ubiquitous name in that time and place certainly doesn’t help matters. According to the 1940 census, there were some 46 of them in Brooklyn alone. I know that he was a Hungarian immigrant (immigrated in 1915), born around the turn of the century. He married Sarah Benjamin/Brodsky in 1922, and at the time of the 1930 census was employed as a shoe salesman. Per Harvey Hines, Lawrence’s parents divorced when he was 13.

Based on what I’ve been able to glean from census records, it would appear that Kane had, at minimum, a high school education. He grew up (and presumably attended school) in a predominantly Russian/Polish-speaking neighborhood, so it’s likely that he was multilingual. He came from a blue collar family, so I’m doubtful as to whether they would have had the money to put him through college.

I’ll respond to the rest of your post when I have a little more time.

t.m.
2/25/2015 09:41:26 am

*have been posted on my photobucket page

Robin Smith
2/25/2015 05:47:42 pm

T.M...so nice of you to answer...I really do appreciate it.

The more I can find out about this creep the better.

Most of the principals in this are dead N0w, however!...the bartenders and valet parkers that were in their 20's at the time of Donna Lass' disappearance, some are still alive and more and more they are starting to talk....

This is a gambling town and was VERY transient working between Reno, Vegas and Tahoe....especially back in the 60's and 70's. Mostly a bunch of prostitutes and crooks.

Regardless of the glowing epitaphs about how the, 'founding' fathers so to speak, were honest people of high integrity...and even higher social status.

Robert E Hunter Jr and Kjell Qvale (SF Presidio Heights neighborhood) were both involved with Donna Lass(missing).

N0body wants to talk about her or Dr Charles L Hollingsworth (missing) or Richard L Chartrand, owner of Barney's Club till he was blown up.

We guess and suppose about Donna and the Dr, However there is N0 question about what happened in SKYLAND, Nv to Richard Chartrand. Aug 27, 1968 car bomb.

Bill Cosby is a perfect example of the 'types' that were running loose up here.

Robin

Robin Smith
2/25/2015 06:06:41 pm

P.S.....Since MOST of the witnesses were prostitutes and crooks you can see why MOST of them do N0t want to and/or are N0t willing to talk 45 years later.

Suffice to say I had friends in low places.

Chris F link
5/20/2016 01:03:52 pm

Robin your a BIG time advocate for Lawrence Kane being the Zodiac killer.
On the website https://welshchappie.wordpress.com/
Below the forth document titled "Employee Request For Change In Records"
There is another document titled Master, 1-4b(Rev-7-19-77)
United Stated Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation.
On the bottom of this form is Lawrence Kane's 116 Pondersoa Drive, Skyland, Nevade address.
Look this address up on Google Maps Satellite image below.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/116+Ponderosa,+Glenbrook,+NV+89413,+USA/@39.0203941,-119.9517646,143m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80999b4279a9a433:0x2b09df025f959258!8m2!3d39.02039!4d-119.951137?hl=en

Notice that LARGE pile of rocks behind Kane's old house.
I wonder What is under that pile of rocks?

Chris Jackson
10/15/2015 09:01:04 pm

The old Montana state prison is not located 3 1/2 miles outside of Deer Lodge, it's located directly downtown. The new prison is located outside town.
If you get a chance, the old prison houses a museum with priori mated records and you can walk freely in and around the entire prison.

Kevin Robert Brooks link
6/17/2018 01:04:29 pm

You are correct Chris, right on Main Street! It's really a good visit!

Chris F link
5/20/2016 06:20:09 am

Forget the Zodiac's blackhood and bib they can be replaced. Zodiac probably has several and one in red for it's greater shock value and special occasions.
Place the hand writing samples on the back burner until a real, culpable, solid suspect of found. Because there are many of those.
A killer like "The Zodiac" probably saved every weapon.
Zodiac did not take many keepsakes and trophies from His victims.
The only things Zodiac has left or memories, day dreams and His 9mm, 22cal. pistols and precious knifes.
Most Lugers in 1969 were still war trophies to the men that brought them home from war and their families.
If Zodiac was worried about ballistic tests. I am sure He could find a gunsmith for replacement parts, especially barrels from other used guns.
He could keep the the old parts also for trophies. Only a trained eye would know exactly what they were looking at if found.
The Zodiac would provide to these charlatans at least one of His guns and knifes as proof of who He is.
Donald Lee Bujok did not make it 20 miles down the road after committing His first murder.
Brooks expects people to believe Bujok found a gun, car, and then made the 1000 plus mile drive from Deer Lodge, Montana to Lake Herman Rd, Vallejo, California just to kill two teenagers.
From the reports Betty Lou Jensen and David Faraday were not robbed.
David Faraday had .85 cents in His front pocket. That .85 cents would buy at least five gallons of gas or several meals better than prison food in 1968.
You would think robbery would be the main reason a released and probably broke individual that just traveled 1000 miles in three days would kill any victim.
Common sense says that kind of blood thirsty individual would leave a trail of stolen vehicles and dead bodies in His wake.
They probably would have dumped the bodies and taken the Rambler also.
Zodiac was a "thrill killer". Donald Lee Bujok committed His murder out of desperation.
If He was a suspect while in prison, I would think that was in desperation also.
If He was a good suspect while in prison, I would think in 1968 they would not have released Him.
In 1968 murders, especially a cop killer did not have any "human rights". Prison reform was a subject liberals talked about after a Civil Rights march.

Zodiac Unmasked Part III
12/9/2016 02:17:07 pm

If a guy named Richard was indeed at Dear Lodge during 1956-1962 (and some prisoners back then recall a guy named Richard that fits the mugshot), then this Richard turned out as the Zodiac killer. From the informations provided (but there are few apparently) he was an auto-mechanic. "Riverside activities" includes the Cheri Bates murder, so Bujok can't be the Zodiac if that letter is authentic. I think this Richard started his killing spree with Cheri Bates, then the same man was stalking Darlene Ferrin, the motives are the same, hate for girls who refuted him. After he accomplishes his goal with Darlene Ferrin he need to stop but he can't so he move on killing in other ways (Berryessa and Paul Stine) and he continues to kill without letting police know after Stine...

The Zodiac name has to be Richard, but if the story about this Richard at Dear Lodge is true how is possible not to identify the man?

Margene Morrison link
1/13/2017 07:20:40 pm

Nice article mentioning Edward Wayne Edwards. Did you forget to mention that he was a serial killer? He killed five people officially and unofficially hundreds. EWE/aka RUB (Ralph Ulysses Brickenshaw) as I called him was using gov't credentials and killing innocent men, women, and children all over the country. Somebody had to stop him but no one did or could? I suspect the Shadow Government for making him possible. Of course I am mentally ill. I should be! What a burden for any normal person to carry. I recognized an old 1970's era picture of Ralph online in November 2015. He was a serial killer alright but his name was Edwards. I ordered the book by John Cameron out of curiosity. I wanted to know if there was anyone else who thought Edwards was the worst serial killer in America. As every high profile case would be reported on the television, I flinched in horror. Surely, I tried to console myself. Surely he is so old that he is dead or in the nursing home part of a prison. Nope. He was still killing. The JonBenet Ramsey Case was the worst. He had threatened a John Ramsey at the time of her birth. I called the police in Atlanta and talked to a female deputy. I had to tell her how I had already been committed and I didn't really want to be committed again. A man from my past was threatening to kill my children and torture me (again). I called the police and they sent me to the Army Hospital and they sent me to a civilian hospital with a new mental ward. The calls wouldn't stop and no one would trace them for me. I went to the officers who I had to cuss out because my husband was in trouble but turned out to be in the right. I told them I had been there so long (in N. CA) that the Zodiac Killer had found us. I drew a sketch of EWE and sent it to some man who is known as a Zodiac Researcher. He called me back but he laughed at me and it made me angry. I've gotten in touch with everyone and anyone who would listen. Edwards was everything Cameron claims and worse. He left a few of us alive but not in great condition. I don't want to be on the t.v. or in books or whatever. I just needed someone to listen and Dannie wouldn't have been beheaded. A lot of people would have been alive.

Blut und Ehre
1/13/2017 08:44:54 pm

I don't even know what to think about that.. This board sure is exciting.

Margene Morrison link
1/13/2017 07:41:23 pm

On January 20th I will turn 56. People want me to think it is just a coincidence that EWE was arrested by the FBI for bank robbery on my first birthday. And it is just a coincidence that his wife then had a name similar to mine. Marlene is one letter off from Margene. He and my father just happened to be carpenters. My father just happened to be at a Union meeting in San Francisco when the Zodiac Killings were going on. We just happen to have the same last name as Rick Marshall and our home was called the Marshall Ranch but in NC. What I really want to know is how Edwards lost the tips of his fingers. I used to sleep with a knife taped to my hand under my pillow when I lived in Charlotte in 1981.


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