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THE SECOND 'ZODIAC' ON JACKSON STREET?

10/8/2017

 
Here we will take one final look at the vital four minutes from the time of the attack on Paul Stine, detailed in the police report as 9:55 pm, to the sighting of an unknown white male by the intersection of Jackson and Maple by Donald Fouke at 9:59 pm.
It is often claimed that trying to break down a timeline to individual seconds can lead to incorrect conclusions (and that is a worthy contention). However, when the discrepancy is so extremely glaring, it is something that should not be overlooked. In major investigations involving many suspects, as it is imperative to interview each and break down the movements of the individual around the relevant time period to consider the validity of their claims. Timelines are crucial in identifying unachievable claims, and including and excluding suspects from the investigation.

There is an argument to be made that two individuals were present in the taxicab that night, and the white male subject observed by Officer Donald Fouke approaching the intersection of Jackson and Maple was not the white male subject observed in and around the taxicab on October 11th 1969, yet both were present as it pulled up to the intersection of Washington and Cherry Street at 9:55 pm. To shoot a taxicab driver in the wealthy district of Presidio Heights, then carefully tear a rectangular piece of the victim's shirt to take from the crime scene is extremely daring. But to then remove his keys and wallet, wipe down the taxicab, and inexplicably attempt to pull Paul Stine into an upright position behind the steering wheel on a busy Saturday night with the certain conviction that nobody has heard the gunshot and called police, is bordering on insanity. This whole sequence of events from murdering the taxicab driver to leaving the crime scene, we have to consider, took just 60 seconds.    
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It is without doubt the author of the Bus Bomb letter mailed on November 9th 1969 was a participant in the murder one month earlier. The statement in the letter claiming "2 cops pulled a goof about 3 min after I left the cab", is not only proof he knew the exact time of the murder, but had knowledge that two police officers in a patrol car were present near the intersection of Jackson and Maple at the correct time that night. This information was never published in the newspapers.

Officers Donald Fouke and Eric Zelms received the police dispatch of an assault and robbery of a taxicab driver at about 9:58 pm. This radio dispatch was also received at 9:58 pm by Officers Armond Pelissetti and Frank Peda while patrolling along Washington Street. Pelissetti and Peda arrived at the murder scene a little before 9:59 pm. 

Upon receiving the initial radio broadcast, the journey time is 1 minute for Donald Fouke and Eric Zelms to reach the intersection of Jackson and Maple from their location on Presidio Avenue (passing Washington St), where they spotted the unknown white male on the north side of Jackson Street - apparently the one who described that "2 cops who pulled a goof". This places Donald Fouke at the intersection of ​Jackson and Maple at 9:59 pm. Armond Pelissetti arrived at the intersection of Washington and Cherry just shy of 9:59 pm. But how do we know Armond Pelissetti arrived at the crime scene nearing 9:59 pm? The answer lies in the expanded statement of the three teenage eyewitnesses that night: 

"As both Robbins kids were the oldest, their statements were the given the most weight. Also they were the least traumatized by the event. One of the kids (not sure which) noticed a cab parked outside (in that now famous spot) with the interior lights on. So when Lindsey told me that the light inside the car was like a spotlight, it was so bright. The first kid at the window said the driver looked "sick, or something". Lindsey and Rebecca went to the window and saw the driver laying across the front seat, head toward the passenger door. His head was in the lap of another man (passenger). Rebecca saw blood and said out loud, "he's stabbing that man." She was seeing blood on the victim and saw the glint of a knife, so she assumed a stabbing was taking place. (No shots were heard by anyone). We know now that Zodiac was cutting off a large piece of Stine's shirt with the knife. At this time, Lindsey went downstairs to get a better look at what was happening, while one of the kids upstairs called the police. Downstairs, the lights were off, so Lindsey knew he could not be seen from the outside. He got close to the window and watched his actions. He was shortly joined by Rebecca. They both watched and observed in silence as Zodiac pushed the driver to an upright position behind the steering wheel, exited the car and walked around the rear of the car and opened the driver's door. Stine had fallen over onto the seat and Zodiac pulled him back up into the seated position and had some difficulty keeping him upright. Once upright, he was seen to have a rag, or something like a handkerchief and began to wipe down the door area and leaning over the driver, part of the dashboard. When he was finished, Zodiac calmly walked to Cherry St. and walked north. Not many know this, but Lindsey (being 16. feeling immortal, and believing the suspect to be armed with only a knife) ran out of his door to see where Zodiac was going. He ran to the corner of Cherry and watched as Zodiac continued his casual pace right up to the corner of Jackson & Cherry. At this exact point, the first SFPD car arrives with two officers. One, Pelissetti, approached Lindsey and tried to extract what was happening. The other officer went to the cab and found the bloody victim. While Pelissetti was asking questions, Lindsey was trying to explain that the suspect was in sight on Cherry St. By the time Pelissetti got the point, they both looked and the Zodiac was gone".

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The key line in the Robbins statement is the last one. Lindsey was trying to show Armond Pelissetti the subject nearing the top of Cherry Street before he disappeared along Jackson Street. The journey time from the intersection of Washington and Cherry to the top of Cherry Street is approximately 1 minute. The remaining journey time from here to Jackson and Maple is about 2 minutes. The total journey time is approximately 3 minutes, exactly as 'Zodiac' had claimed in the Bus Bomb letter, stating "2 cops pulled a goof about 3 min after I left the cab".  Donald Fouke spotted the unknown white male at 9:59 pm, meaning the subject left the taxicab at around 9:56 pm.

Based on the subject leaving the taxicab at 9:56 pm, the unknown white male taking 1 minute to walk up Cherry Street, would place him near the top of Cherry Street at 9:57 pm, where Lindsey pointed him out to Armond Pelissetti as he arrived at the scene. This is where a major problem arises. Armond Pelissetti didn't even get the initial broadcast until 9:58 pm, and still had to travel to the scene "red light and siren". Let us assume that Armond Pelissetti was only 20 seconds away from the crime scene when he got the radio dispatch. He brings his police car to a halt at the intersection, then approaches Lindsey, and "while Pelissetti was asking questions, Lindsey was trying to explain that the suspect was in sight on Cherry St". Attributing all of this only 30 seconds (which is highly unlikely), it would mean the time after the initial radio dispatch of 9:58 pm, was now 9.58:30 pm - and the time he saw the subject at the top of Cherry. But we know that the subject was there at 9:57 pm based on everything above.

According to the timeline of Donald Fouke, the subject left the taxicab at 9:56 pm, so how could he have been spotted 2 1/2 minutes later at the top of Cherry Street, at 9:58:30 pm. Even using this stringent timeline, there is a discrepancy of 90 seconds over the length of Cherry. Another way of looking at it, is that only 30 seconds after the initial radio broadcast, the timeline is already out by a minimum of 90 seconds. If Armond Pelissetti took a more reasonable 1 minute to arrive, park up and meet with Lindsey at the intersection of Washington and Cherry, the time would now be one minute after the initial broadcast (a time of 9:59 pm), when he was made aware of the subject nearing the top of Cherry. However, this is the same time that Donald Fouke spotted the subject nearing the intersection of Jackson and Maple (at 9:59 pm). A discrepancy of two whole minutes. A discrepancy calculated over 10, 20, 30, or 60 minutes could possibly be explained away, but this discrepancy of two minutes, only one minute after the initial radio broadcast, is something that cannot be explained away by an argument of nitpicking the timeline.

In the 2007 Zodiac documentary, Armond Pelissetti stated he "got down to the corner of Jackson Street. Had to make a choice. I was on the east side of the street so I turned right to the east and went up in that direction". The question being, did he make that choice because of Lindsey pointing the subject out to him, which is a more realistic reason to why he headed east.      

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Therefore, we apparently have the same white male subject at the top of Cherry Street at 9:59 pm, and at the intersection of Jackson and Maple at 9:59 pm, leading to the notion they are two different people. Lindsey had tracked the movements of the subject in and around the taxicab that night, as well as when he rounded the corner to head up Cherry Street, thereby inextricably linking this person to the crime scene. Could he have entered Jackson Street and was able to see the red light and siren of Donald Fouke at the other end of Jackson Street pulling over an innocent pedestrian, subsequently referencing this in his Bus Bomb letter a month later, to give the impression that it was actually him Officer Donald Fouke had spoken to? This is highly unlikely, because this person, had he been an innocent pedestrian, would not have directed Donald Fouke away from the crime scene toward Arguello Boulevard, as can be inferred from the statement of Donald Fouke in the 1989 Crimes of the Century' documentary. 

In the 1989 documentary, Donald Fouke recalled "We proceeded on Jackson Street towards Arguello continuing our search, as we arrived at Arguello Street the description of the suspect was changed to a white male adult, believing this suspect was possibly the one involved in the shooting we entered the Presidio of San Francisco and conducted a search on West Pacific Avenue, the opposite side of the wall and the last direction we observed the suspect going, we did not find the suspect". Why would Donald Fouke be heading away from an assault and robbery to which he was supposed to be responding towards?

The likely answer is contained in the Bus Bomb letter: "
2 cops pulled a goof abot 3 min after I left the cab. I was walking down the hill to the park when this cop car pulled up + one of them called me over + asked if I saw anyone acting suspicious or strange in the last 5 to 10 min + I said yes there was this man who was runnig by waveing a gun & the cops peeled rubber". The white male subject sent them on a wild goose chase, knowing that, presented with the option of the police further questioning him or burning rubber to protect the public from a man waving a gun, the police would choose to quell the imminent threat. Which is why Donald Fouke went off route, away from the crime scene towards Arguello Boulevard. The officers likely made the correct call at the time, as they were on the lookout for a negro male adult, not a white male. Unfortunately, they were duped by the man they stopped. Therefore, it is highly unlikely this man was an innocent pedestrian, rather somebody with a more sinister motive - and likely the man who penned the November 9th 1969 Bus Bomb letter. We could therefore make the case for more than one Zodiac.     
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The following are the three descriptions of the unknown male, given by Officer Donald Fouke, the three teenagers, and eyewitnesses at Spruce Street moments after the 'meeting' at Jackson and Maple. Spruce Street was situated just over one block east from the sighting of the suspect, just past the Jackson and Maple intersection, and was indirectly referenced in the Bus Bomb letter: "I said yes there was this man who was runnig by waveing a gun & the cops peeled rubber + went around the corner as I directed them + I disappeared into the park a block + a half away never to be seen again".

Here is the description attributed to the teenagers on the police report, who observed the Zodiac Killer in and around the taxicab on Washington Street from a residence across the street: "#2 SUSPECT: WMA, in his early forties, 5'8", heavy build, reddish-blond, crew cut hair. wearing eyeglasses, dark brown trousers, dark (navy blue or black) "Parka" jacket, dark shoes.

Donald Fouke's description of the likely Zodiac Killer was a "WMA, 35-45 yrs, about 5'10", 180-200 lbs, medium heavy build, barrel chested, medium complexion, light colored hair possibly graying in rear, crew cut, wearing glasses. Dressed in dark blue waist length zipper type jacket (Navy or royal blue). Elastic cuffs and waist band zipped part way up. Brown wool pants pleated type baggy in rear (Rust brown)".

The October 12th 1969 San Francisco article detailed the sighting of a man entering Julius Khan playground, stating "Later reports indicated someone was seen running into Julius Khan playground in the Presidio, and all seven police dog units were pressed into the search. The suspect was described as white, about 40, 170 pounds, a blond crewcut, warning glasses".
 

The three descriptions over a five minute period appear to indicate that one man left the taxicab, headed toward the Jackson and Maple intersection, and on to the area of the Julius Khan playground near Spruce Street. Yet we still have a major discrepancy regarding the statements of Donald Fouke and the Robbins children.

If two assailants were involved that night, then the first assailant could have shot the taxicab driver at 9:56 pm and departed the crime scene immediately. He would have been spotted by Officer Donald Fouke three minutes later at the intersection of Jackson and Maple at 9:59 pm, corroborated by the Bus Bomb letter which claimed "2 cops pulled a goof about 3 min after I left the cab." The second assailant would be the one spotted by the three teenagers, indicating they looked out of the window after the first assailant had left. This man spent two minutes wiping down the taxicab, tearing the section of Paul Stine's shirt, removing the keys and wallet, while subsequently attempting to lift Paul Stine into an upright position behind the steering wheel, before leaving at 9:58 pm. Armond Pelissetti receives the initial radio broadcast at 9:58 pm and arrives en scene just shy of 9:59 pm, at which point the second assailant is approaching the top of Cherry Street, and is pointed out by Lindsey. This would explain the discrepancy in the timeline.       

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This may possibly explain the evident lack of urgency displayed by the second assailant in and around the taxicab that night. Had the police arrived earlier, his actions could have been explained as an innocent passer-by, who noticing the stricken taxicab driver had ripped a portion of shirt to staunch the blood flow. He wasn't in possession of the 'smoking gun', so how could he be the killer? However, when he realized the police were not upon him, his last action was to grab the keys from the ignition, and head in the same direction as his accomplice. If he was attempting to lift Paul Stine into an upright position, this would certainly explain why bloody fingerprints were discovered on the dividing panel to the right of the driver side door, which clearly he would have used to brace himself. But why he was doing it, one can only conjecture.

Lindsey was fairly clear in the details observed that night, particularly in the attempt to draw Armond Pelissetti's attention to the white male heading up Cherry Street. If this recollection is accurate, then the man observed walking towards Jackson Street was not the same subject spotted by Donald Fouke as he approached the intersection of Jackson and Maple. These two men were separated by two full minutes. If either of the accounts by Lindsey or Officer Donald Fouke are flawed,  then the idea of an accomplice dissolves away into the night, just like the lone Zodiac Killer.  

Lemonboy
10/8/2017 08:18:38 am

This makes a lot of sense but I just can’t wrap my head around zodiac having an accomplice. I’m more likely to beleive that the teen maybe lost track of zodiac and there was someone else in the area that was unrelated to the murder. Maybe the already cleared Xenophon Anthony?

Richard
10/8/2017 12:13:31 pm

The teenagers as far as I am aware have pretty much stayed quiet on the Zodiac case for 50 odd years. They certainly don't crave publicity in the Zodiac case. I cannot see that they would make the story about Pelissetti up. They observed the killer from the downstairs window and left their residence after the Zodiac rounded the corner, so I don't doubt they saw the man who left the cab walking up Cherry. Whether or not Pelissetti listened to Lindsey or saw the killer I couldn't say. But if Pelissetti was en scene at the time that Lindsey saw the man, it had to be roughly a minute after Pelissetti got the dispatch at 9.58 pm. If it was 9.59, then who did Fouke stop. The Xenophon Anthony find by Alex was excellent, particularly because of his address on Jackson Street, and the fact he was supposedly ID'd by the 8 year old. But according to that 8 year old (now grown up) who lived at 3898 Washington Street in Oct 1969, it wasn't him. He may just not want the attention, but if it wasn't him, then Xen must have been spotted from a different residence. If the identification was accurate in the first place. I believe wholeheartedly the fingerprints on the dividing panel was the person inside the taxicab who was observed by the three teenagers. This at least wasn't Xen. But if there were two perpetrators, he couldn't be excluded on these bloodied fingerprints alone. I think it highly unlikely there were two assailants that night. But if the story of Lindsey is 100% correct, then I personally don't have a doubt on two assailants being present. It's a matter of wholly relying on one individuals testimony, in this case Lindsey, so this will always be open to scrutiny.

Alex Lewis
10/22/2017 11:54:49 am

Yes but what You have to remember here is this:

The first two units responding to that Corner that night were Piloted by Amend Pelissetti and Donald Fouke-up respectively.

Amend Pelissetti Amended many things like what it was Fouke-up had actually said to Him about His encounter with Un-Sub WMA from: "The other unit stooped someone, a white guy, and asked Him had he seen anyone in the area and the person said 'Yes, a man just ran into the Presidio'" to "In subsequent conversations with Him He told me that He did stop someone. He told Me He saw asked that person 'Have you seen anybody go by?' The person said "No."

Amend also has an extreme phobia of alcoves and gunmen hidden within them yet with access to a vehicle which is both much safer for pursuing an armed suspect in (much more difficult to hit a moving target enclosed in a metallic rectangle call 'Car' travelling at 30-40 MPH than it is to shoot and hit Him completely exposed out in the open under streetlights going 1 MPH not to mention practicality and it being far more practical and Logical choice for pursuit being as it can go much faster than Amendment Pelissetti (with fear of alcoves) can on foot if your aim is to close the distance on a suspect fleeing on foot and catch Him.

Like I have always said, these cops are Crack-Heads!

In all seriousness, it says something when You have to reply on a serial killing lunatic to tell you the factual truth about what happened that Night and disclose the fact the killer was stopped then let on His way in what the Killer labelled a 'Goof' pulled by a Dpt. that didn't deny this had taken place, it simply forgot it even ever happened when writing up their reports.

Amend Pelissetti Can't remember if it was Kjell He saw that night or not and Amend Amended His version from A Qvale standing on a driveway (Presumed His own at 3636 Jax Street yet Amend says He got down to, never further than or passing through, Jax and Maple Intersects.) not doing anything but simply standing there and Called Kjell over to Him (Remind you of anything...."Cop car pulled up and one of them called me over...) and kept an eye on Him and asked this gentlemen if He saw anybody in go by (Remind you of anything? "Asked me had I seen anyone acting suspicious or strange in the last 5 to 10 minutes?") and the person said No."

Maybe it really was Armond who called Kjell over and asked Him the same question Zodiac declares He was also asked by a cop in His subsequent letter. Maybe the killer was hiding close enough by to see and hear the cop call Qvale over and ask Him this and then later wrote claiming that that person questioned, aka Qvale, was the actual killer when He was totally innocent and simply had came out onto His front yard area after hearing a bunch of sirens and seeing red and blue lights bouncing off the homes that lace each side of His street.

Robert Graysmith said on Camera once "And it was rite about as the police got to this area that one of the units saw a white man and stopped to ask question Him." When Graysmith said this He was standing at Jackson and Cherry, not Jackson and Maple. It's easy to dismiss Graysmith as simply being in error and getting this location wrong as, after all, in His book 'Zodiac', Graysmith couldn't even get the actual Island correct that Cecelia and Bryan Had been attacked and stabbed at marking 'X' on a map that showed the 'Attack location' on the wrong Island.

He's also made claims that when it comes to Z suspects: "It fits one man and one man only." and that Art Allen, quote: "Knew all the (Zodiac) victims....stalked them and is the only man with the skills and ability to create those codes." He stated this as if it was certified and known fact, when it is anything but!

However, if Zodiac was spotted and stopped at or closer to Jackson and Cherry rather than the claimed Jackson and Maple then it answer's the question of why Zodiac didn't travel over the Jackson and Cherry intersection and through it's wall entrance into the Presidio because that would raise all sorts of red flag

Richard
10/8/2017 12:25:59 pm

We do have strange occurrences in at least three Zodiac crimes. The two individuals who supposedly chased William Crow at LHR, 90 odd minutes before a double homicide. At BRS we have a car pulling up alongside Darlene Ferrin's Corvair, and either the same person returning 5 minutes later, or it could be argued an accomplice. At PH we have a median age discrepancy of 12.5 years, or a maximum difference of 20 years, and a timeline that needs explaining. We even have strange men lurking the hillside at Berryessa. Is it more than one. I try to be fair, and cannot rule out at least two killers, but whether I truly believe it is another matter. I go 90% likely a single Zodiac, but there are strange events that create some doubt.

Lemonboy
10/8/2017 04:18:00 pm

I beleive it’s more likely zodiac was extremely lucky. So many breaks went his way though it’s incredible how many times he could’ve gotten caught but didn’t.

Alex Lewis
10/31/2017 09:16:33 pm

I agree with His being lucky but only to a point. When We look at this series of crimes and what took place, an offenders luck can only answer why or how he escaped a scene undetected before I can no longer ignore The Law. The Law of Probability, the Law of Averages & even the Laws of Physics. Zodiac disappeared from Presidio Heights yet He was not a reincarnation of London's 'Spring-Heeled Jack' who witnesses claimed to see Leap over 15 ft fences, 25ft houses and vault from rooftop to rooftop.

I am quite confident Zodiac did not escape capture by flying in the Pacific Heights version of Point Pleasant's Mothman!

Luck, random chance, and laws of averages say that if you play Russian Roulette with a six shooter revolver with one live round in one of the chambers, then random spin, cock hammer and pull trigger will only see luck allowing you to live for so long before that chamber with the bullet in it is found.

Zodiac spun the gun's chamber and had a one in six chance or odds that He is going to lose. Yet He spun the chamber, pulled the trigger 150 times and never shot himself dead. The law of averages doesn't say its not possible, just so fantastically odds against that only a fool would try. Yet, Z did! However, not be simple luck alone in My personal opinion.

Alex Lewis
10/31/2017 03:56:53 pm

The Second Zodiac. . .

https://youtu.be/hGwxDYi2I_A?t=2m15s

Alex Lewis
10/31/2017 04:05:11 pm

"Subject spotted the police car, and turned into the entrance way of a house. Didn't go back to check the residence and ensure occupants were OK, let the Insp. follow through."

Meanwhile, inside 3712. . . . https://youtu.be/0y10Hr8Qj1M

Alex Lewis
10/31/2017 07:48:00 pm

The point I make using clips from Halloween IV, is a serious one. Subject last observed turning onto driveway heading for door of 3712 Jackson.

What if A sweep or canvas of that immediate area looking for witnesses would have discovered two more homicide victims if Mr Fred W. and Helen B. Bloch, The owners and married couple residing in the address Zodiac was seen heading toward? It would be a realistic possibility considering the assumption can be made that if the killer was in somewhat of a panic knowing Cops are responding and closing around Him, He may have, or even is extremely likely to, knock the door and if Mrs Bloch answered, barge His way in and hold the residents hostage to hide out from police.

As it is, the Dpt. blushed for allowing Him to walk away. They could have had two more bodies on their hands!


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