THE SEARCH FOR DONNA LASS

5/1/2014

On the 22nd March 1971, a postcard landed at the offices of the San Francisco Chronicle, that has become widely known as the 'Pines' card. It was this correspondence in particular that caught the eye of police officer Harvey Hines, who after extensive investigative work became utterly convinced Lawrence Kane was the most likely candidate for the five Zodiac murders, committed from December 20th 1968 to October 11th 1969. Although the Zodiac Killer's reign of terror appeared brief, Harvey Hines was convinced that it may have been a lot longer, in that, where Lawrence Kane moved, murder would soon follow. He noticed certain locations and timelines that spiked his interest, placing Lawrence Kane to the forefront of his focus and started nigh on three decades of dedication to unearthing the truth. He provided a intriguing case against his suspect permeated by a solid case history, although it appears that much of it fell on deaf ears as Lawrence Kane was relegated to the fringe of the Zodiac suspect list.

It was the hunt for missing nurse Donna Ann Lass that became a near obsession for Harvey Hines, becoming closely allied to the family members of the young 25 year old as he searched undaunted for a break in the case. He has to be commended for his devotion in and out of police hours, when many others seemed to have lost hope.
The story began when the Zodiac Killer turned into the isolated turnout of Lake Herman Road on December 20th 1968 and appeared to have ended when the murderer exited the taxicab of Paul Stine on October 11th 1969 and disappeared, heading north into the darkness of Cherry Street, towards the Presidio. But in fact the story was only just beginning.
After the murder of Paul Stine the killer headed towards the Julius Khan Playground, but whether he actually ended up there, as he alluded to in his October 13th 1969 letter to the San Francisco Chronicle, has been the topic of much debate.
Donna Lass worked in the Presidio at the Letterman General Hospital and lived at 4122 Balboa Street, San Francisco

The murderer of Paul Stine, based on the taxicab meter reading, was believed to have flagged down the taxi in the theater district, near the corner of Mason and Geary Street, an area situated less than a quarter of a mile from the Lawrence Kane residence at 217 Eddy Street. For all these relevant locations, click here for Google Maps.

In 1970 both Donna Lass and Lawrence Kane moved to South Lake Tahoe, where Donna Lass was employed at the Sahara Tahoe Hotel & Casino as a nurse. According to Harvey Hines, Lawrence Kane worked for Alan Dorfman selling Arizona real estate. His office was situated just down the hallway from the area where Donna Lass was stationed.
Three months later, everything changed.
On September 6th 1970 Donna Lass vanished after her shift at the Sahara Tahoe Hotel, and now nearly half a century later we are no nearer to discovering the truth as to her movements that fateful morning.
Six and a half months later, the disputed 'Pines' card arrived at the San Francisco Chronicle, inferring a link to the Donna Lass disappearance, and the story gained momentum once again.
Many Zodiac researchers have questioned the connection between the Donna Lass disappearance and the Zodiac Killer, and indeed, if Lawrence Kane ever worked at the Stateline, Nevada casino. But this

may be about to change, due to the persistent work of Zodiac enthusiast Alex Lewis (Welsh Chappie), an avid member of the ZodiacKillerSite forum.
On Monday April 7th 2014 after multiple Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, he finally received the information he had been searching for. The United States Department of Justice sent him some valuable information regarding his prime suspect Lawrence Kane, including a full and complete arrest sheet, with a lot more besides. (See foot of page for two examples).
Alex Lewis, as well as contributing to the popular ZodiacKillerSite forum, has dedicated many hours compiling extensive information on his favorite suspect Lawrence Kane. His comprehensive Wordpress site can be viewed here.
These interesting findings have also generated a discussion thread on the ZodiacKillerSite forum; so to contribute your thoughts please visit the topic here. htttp://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1536.
Harvey Hines remained undeterred, when many others had given up hope, and even though the search for Donna Lass has hit many dead ends in the intervening years, the hope that was held by Harvey Hines still lives on.

210 Comments

Robin Smith

1/29/2015 12:06:35 am

Donna Lass went missing from???...well this is the prevailing problem!!

The Sahara Tahoe is in Stateline Nevada, Douglas County, Nevada. Donna lived the entire summer of 1970 with Ann and Larry Lowe in a motel less than a block from the Ca/Nv Stateline at 4054 Lake Tahoe Blvd(Hwy 50).

The City of South Lake Tahoe, which was incorporated in 1965, has N0 record of what "establishment" was located at this address in 1970.

However, 4054 Lake Tahoe Blvd is directly across the street (Hwy 50) from the STARDUST Motel 4061 Lake Tahoe Blvd (Hwy50)

Neither State, California and Nevada, investigated this missing person and still do N0t!

In MY opinion, too many LOCAL people "magnates" were involved...very messy and corrupt. Too long of a story for this post but I have stated some of the facts at Alex Lewis' site Lawrence Kane Zodiac Killer.com

I lived here in the "day", I was at the SAHARA TAHOE and knew personally the 'magnates' involved Sep 6, 1970.

I'm Back:)

Robin Smith

1/29/2015 01:42:19 am

For example:
Many of these Z sites say that Harvey Hines is a liar about Larry Kane being at the SAHARA when Donna went missing.

One of the Z site posters went to a 1970's reunion at The Sahara last year, year before N0w... organized by the Mayor of South Lake Tahoe, who worked at the SAHARA in the 'day'...the Mayor was there and he told the inquiring poster that YES in FACT Larry Kane was there and did work next to Donna.

I N0ticed that this FACT was N0t subsequently reported on the Z site so I (ASS U ME) that this web site person thinks the Mayor of the City of South Lake Tahoe, Ca is a LIAR.

sandy betts link

9/4/2015 07:37:16 pm

I am the person who went to the reunion at Lake Tahoe and spoke to the people who knew Larry Kane and Donna Lass. They worked there at the same time, it was confirmed. The people who have their own suspects, aren't going to believe Kane is the best suspect in the Donna Lass case, no matter what. Too bad for them.

Alex Lewis link

11/7/2015 11:16:14 am

"For example:
Many of these Z sites say that Harvey Hines is a liar about Larry Kane being at the SAHARA when Donna went missing."

And this is why you have to love these sites that claim Harvey is a liar, sites we shall not name that were not created by a person named Tom Void. Mr Void Blasts "Hines is a liar!" Why is that Mr Void, got any examples or evidence? "Yes, well, errmmm, No. Maybe......Come back and ask me next week!"

HH opens His 120 page report by declaring "My Name is Harvey C. Hines. I am a police officer for the City of Escalon, CA and have been in Law Enforcement since 1972."
Now not only would Void have you dismiss this as nothing of any use to determine His credibility but also fully expect you to accept that if we compare this source to His own suspects Source, called Blane Blane AKA GoldCatcher, His source is to be taken as more credible.....A man who refused to tell you His name or have His face on camera and who Capt. Ken Narlow described as a fantasist and Kook, over that of a sworn Police Officer who's never hid behind Aliases nor hid his face from a camera,

I do believe that Tom Void, if you were given the choice to believe Him at His word or the physical evidence that opposed Him and His word, Would fully expect you to believe Him as correct and the unchallengeable physical evidence wrong because after all, 'He' is Tommy Void.

Robin Smith

1/30/2015 02:13:54 am

P.S. Bill Cosby was drugging and raping women here at Lake Tahoe
in the 60's and 70's.
Just a reminder...There is N0 Statute of Limitations on Murder

Angela Luster

5/3/2016 11:43:22 pm

That's true.

Marcos

5/14/2016 12:16:29 am

It's seems to me that this man seen Donna lass at the presidio general hospital at ever since then stalked her

Bill

9/2/2016 05:49:03 am

I think so also Donna worked at the Presidio just 2000 ft from the paul stine murder,, no coincidence

Tahoedirt link

12/12/2017 05:46:24 pm

Robin
Just going over some old posts-,4054 LT Blvd, as you probably know-That whole several block long area was demolished for Heavenly Village. I worked 3 years at the Bella Union at 4090, next door to the Red Carpet Inn motel- Everything from Cecil's Mkt to Harrahs was torn out. Across the street the Stardust was turned into a timeshare ala McCarthy.
Dave

Robin Smith

1/29/2015 05:00:42 am

Donna Lass knew Darlene Ferrin and Larry Kane and was kNown to fly to and from Riverside, Ca on weekends with Robert E Hunter Jr and Kane.

Robert E Hunter Jr was a founding partner in ALPINE MEADOWS....next to SQUAW VALLEY,Ca ...just a few minutes by boat across the Lake(TAHOE) to the SAHARA.

Donna was involved with Robert E Hunter Jr and his father, as she was employed at Cottage Hospital in Santa Barbara, Ca for 2 yrs before moving to SF, Ca.

Donna then worked at Letterman Hospital/Presidio for a couple of months...leaving Letterman for Lake Tahoe at the same time as Kane, who was living in SF, Ca. Just after the Z murders of Stine and Ferrin.

Stine knew Hunter Jr, Kane and Ferrin well and reportedly had 'news worthy' information from Ferrin.

Kane and Donna both went to work at the SAHARA.

Robin Smith

3/6/2015 05:45:08 am

The "Thunderbird" was custom built in 1939 for real estate magnate George Whitell.

CasiN0 owner Bill Harrah bought the boat in 1962. Harrah loved fast boats and replaced the original engines with two Allison aircraft engines boosting its top speed from 45-70 mph.

He used the boat to entertain celebrities, entertainers and politicians who frequented his casiN0 in Stateline, Nevada, including Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr, Bill Cosby and Presidents Ford and Clinton.

Harrah called her, "his 70mph cocktail lounge."

www.thunderbirdtahoe.org Bill Watson

sandy betts link

9/4/2015 07:46:43 pm

There is no proof that Darlene knew Kane or Paul Stine. We proved that Stine wasn't a cab driver until after Darlene was killed. It was said that Darlene was given rides by Stine in his cab. There is also no proof that Donna knew Robt Hunter Jr., Hunter Sr yes. Absolutely no proof Donna went with Hunter and Kane to Riverside. No proof that Hunter knew Kane. If you can prove other wise, I would like to see it. But thank you for your input anyway. Some of what you have been told is true.

Robin Smith

9/5/2015 12:34:29 pm

Sandy...from ZODIACKILLER.COMMESSAGEBOARD:OTHER POSSIBLE VICTIMS:DONNA LASS Mon June 2, 2003

Sandy...."Not long ago I looked at Darlene's phone book, it seems she had an interest in that area. I checked a number she had and it was (916) 426-3651 it was a place called Sugar Bowl in NORDEN, she also had another ski resort, ALPINE MEADOWS...

Donna was connected to Darlene:)

Alex Lewis

9/7/2015 06:14:58 am

Hey Sandy, how are you? Hope all is ok.

In regards to this mysterious rich man/men rumour that Donna was said to have gone on trips with, there is a reference in the full Hines report that may or may not shed some light on this whole topic.

Hines notes in his report the following: Lass employed at Letterman from June of 69 to Sept. of 1970.
Hines goes to the Sahara Tahoe and is given access to Donna's history and is shown Donna's Application form applying for the position that was submitted by Her on May 25th of 1970.(Again, for thoes who wish to suggest Harvey never visited the Sahara Tahoe, then they need to explain how it is He knows the exact date she applied for the job there.)
Prior to both the Letterman position and Sahara Tahoe, Donna worked as a private travelling nurse for a Dr. Frederic Reichert, who passed away shorly before she applies to the Letterman Hospital for employment. This may be, and I stress the word may becuase I don't know and am just theorising, the rich man that Donna accompanied from one place to another as her position, travelling private nurse, would require this.

Robin Smith

9/7/2015 07:45:54 am

Sandy..."We proved that Stine wasn't a cab driver until AFTER Paul Stine was killed."

Can you expound on that? How long was Stine a cab driver then?

TY
Robin

Alex Lewis

9/7/2015 10:08:37 am

Again Robin, if Sandy makes a statement like that, I wouldn't think she's just guessing or making it up out of thin air.
When I first started looking into Kane online and was new to this whole z amateur commuity, Sandy helped me a lot and gave me a lot of information and I can state honestly, everything she said could and was always substanciated.
A lot of my own research and the webpage I have on Kane wouldn't be what it is today had it not been for Sandy's help and information. I tried and tried via The FOIA to get the arrest history of Kane and time and time again waited months to get the writter reply from the FBI of "Having searched our central records systems, we have found no responses in relation to your request." Then sandy gave me a posible personal FBI number for Kane, which I added to the FOI request and finally got the 15 pages back with his arrest history.

Again, Sandy's information and character is not something I can or would question, she's been an absolutely brilliant help for me and I have and always will be thankful to her.

Alex Lewis

9/7/2015 10:12:07 am

That is meant to say "Sandys character is something I can speak to as being honest and genuine, and I would not and never have had a reason to question her."

sandy betts link

9/14/2015 06:45:45 pm

Thanks for all your kind words Alex, I am doing fine, still working the case .
Robin I have a copy of Darlene's address book, it was called her address book, but her ex husband Jim has said that it was once his, that Darlene took it.( Darlene didn't ski). Jim her ex, said that a lot of the names in that book were his friends not hers. You can see that it was also used by Dean Ferrin after Darlene was killed, because the dates written in it were long after she had been murdered . So don't place too much on what you read in the address book. If you get a copy of Paul Stine's death certificate it should show you how long he worked for the can company before he was killed. For sure it was after July 4th, according to many other investigators who looked into it. Paul worked insurance before he drove a cab. Ironically I found a Larry Kane also had worked for an insurance company in SF. Not sure if he was the correct Kane or not. Driving the cab was to help Paul pay for collage. It is also said that he was going to work for the SF chronical.Paul Stine's sister has been in the chat room at Zkiller.com . She told us a lot about Paul and her other brother Joe. Alex is correct I never make assumptions, if I don't know something is for sure the truth, I will state that it is something I believe, or think might be true. Darlene didn't know Donna, Betty Lou, Cecilia Shepard, Cheri Jo Bates or Paul Stine. At least there is no proof she knew any of them. Paul lived on Cole street before he moved to Fell. Betty Lou's mother confirmed that Betty Lou never babysat Darlene's baby like Darlene's sister told everyone. She was also the person who said Darlene rode in Stine's cab. That is what made it a project ,to see if that were true or not. I do believe that Darlene is the key to solving this case, but for her sister to say she was connected to every victim is absurd. When someone is caught in a lie , how can you believe anything they say ? It is sad, because things like that only confuses the case worse than it is already. We must stick with the known facts, in order to solve it. It is a solvable case!

Alex Lewis

11/7/2015 03:26:40 pm

Sandy Betts Said: "Thanks for all your kind words Alex,"

Not a problem Sandy, no problem at all and tis my pleasure to state the truth......That'll be Three Hundred Dollars Please. How are we paying today Miss, Credit Card or the preferred 'no paper trail' cash? Hehe.

But to be serious, your obviously correct in that there is no proof Zodiac knew any of the 'Victoms' or had had any sort of prior contact with them in any capacity pre attack. No proof positive No, but there are Circumstantial Evidentiary reasons to at least make an argument for the idea. Such as? Well.....

- Who was Darlene flashing her headlights to after pulling into BRS?

- Donna was a travelling Nurse Aid for Private Paying client's and was the travelling nurse with A wealthy SF resident by the name of Frederic Reichert, Dr Fred Reichert to give Him His formal Title, until He passed away weeks prior to Donna starting work at Letterman. Who knows who she travelled as Nurse Aid for prior to The Good Dr?
- Many dismiss the Pines card as a Hoax citing Zodiac's lack of hand written print to determine authenticity and point to Z never sending post-cards without writing his own message on it but this is clearly false. "There are reports that City pig Cops...." is accepted by the majority.
- FBI Document I have seen doesn't hint at, nor suggest subtly etc, its outright states that it is their opinion (They as in The Agency) there are two letter writers easily distinguishable by the letters tone, style of writing and the content. They say one writer seems aggressive and threatening in what He writes, a tone of anger runs through His statements and this writer, the more He writes the less control He shows over keeping the lines and flow of letters/direction in one neat order vs a 2nd writer who is not angry,doesn't threaten and keeps a orderly neat writing pattern and is far more relaxed, non demanding and even jovial.

lone wolfe

12/2/2015 12:16:57 pm

something is right, the fly and donna meet Zodiac do you remember donna was se it with who for last time.....next kane was Zodiac dommy....like Arthur allen.....and others

Alex Lewis

12/5/2015 02:55:27 pm

Donna and a Fly, eh? That must be why Zodiac off'ed Miss Lass. You can't have Nurses hanging out with blue-bottles disclosing the delicate and classified details of who serial killers were! "What I would give to be a fly on the wall..." is no longer figure of speech! Donna is alleged to have gave them witness statements with any need for them t ease drop from a wall in the same room!

Tahoedirt link

11/22/2017 02:04:33 am

Robin- Never heard about God reunion, but always been interested and personaaly have many coincidental crossings with Z and the case. If you don't mind- What did you do at Sahara- Inwas dealing poker the night Lass dissapeared.

Tahoedirt link

11/22/2017 02:11:54 am

Robin- I meant to say"Sahara Reunion". Not sure how Apple changed it to God ??

Lee

12/9/2017 10:18:24 pm

Can you say where you got all the info re those connections?

Robin Smith

1/30/2015 12:32:46 am

Richard L Chartrand, Barney's Casino Stateline Douglas Nevada. Blown to bits Aug 27, 1968

Donna Lass RN, Sahara Tahoe CasiN0, Stateline Douglas Nevada. Goes missing Sep 6, 1970

Dr Charles L Hollingsworth, South Lake Tahoe, Ca, and a regular player at the Sahara Tahoe CasiN0, goes missing Oct 26, 1970

Larry Kane works for Alan Dorfman as real estate salesman down the hall from Donna's nurses station.

D. Beat

2/21/2016 10:23:42 pm

Been reading many comments not sure I want to involve myself. There's was a Robert e. Evens Jr who worked at the sporting good store in alpine meadows. His speed boat blew up in a boat race out side of reno. I think it was a bomb. Hitting the garbage on Washington and maple you find R.H. sponserd the party in memory of him. Also R.H. could of known Kane shit he finance c.I.a. operations. But kane worked at 1255 post st. Jack tarr hotel. There was a jogger that was killed near the palace of legion an honor who worked at 1255 post st. In 1980 she had a t shirt on that said hells accountant Dearlodge Montana. I thought it was a Z murder. Turns out it was a trail side killer john carpenter murder link thru DNA. Zynchronicty. Why does it take for ever to get a full DNA profile on zodiac all those stamps an encalipes. Cover up

Alex link

1/31/2015 05:36:26 am

Robin, I too have seen the claims that "No evidence that Harvey Hines ever visited the Sahara Tahoe to interview Donna's co-workers." The first person I saw make such a comment, was Mr V, CEO & Supreme Leader of ZK.com.
There's no question in my mind that Harvey did just what he said he did & paid a visit to the Sahara Hotel and here's why. Harvey stated that he had in a on-camera interview for 'Case Re-Opened - Zodiac Killer' that, quote: "I went to Tahoe & I questioned the people who worked with Donna Lass & asked them if there was anyone they remember as strange or odd... Without exception, they Named Larry Kane."
Now, Hines made this claim on camera. If it were an outright lie or misleading statement at best, it's almost a certainty that he would get found out because anyone who does a follow up investigation interviewing the co-workers and who asks them did they Tell Detective Hines Larry Kane was odd, the Co-workers, had they never said this to Hines, would reply that they have no Idea what they are talking about & then declare that they Never met or were interviewed by A Det. Hines, and never gave Kane's name to him.
Now that has never happened, and why have none of the co-workers come forward to say Hines is lying? Because Hines is not lying and they can attest to the truth of his claim.

Robin Smith

1/31/2015 09:10:21 am

Alex...Zodiac Killer.com Oct 28, 2014 message board I found a post by

Sandy Betts
DOJ
Posts 1206
Sep 11, 2013
Connie Stevens

"I met the Mayor who knew Larry Kane, so I asked him if it was true that Larry had worked at the same casiN0? He said YES Larry worked there but it was for a short time. The reason I asked was because I read that it was never proven he was there, so it must N0t be true......

I did N0t write down everything on the post but there was also something about Harvey Hines being accused of stealing, misappropriating, $3,000.00 dollars that she did N0t think was true for reasons she posted.

Alex...I LIVE HERE...I KN0W THESE PEOPLE...THEY ARE DEADLY DANGEROUS.
Alex...THEY BLOW PEOPLE UP....THEY PUT PEOPLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LAKE....HELLO!!!

Robin Smith

1/31/2015 09:34:25 am

Bill Cosby is a perfect example of what goes on up here....one of his daughters has the name Evin Harrah Cosby.

People want to kN0w why these women have N0t come forward before N0w...the answer for the last 50 years is the same...they are ridiculed. can N0t get a job, are harassed, threatened or dumped in the Lake. That's why...

well A** ****'s!

MAKE MY DAY

Robin Smith
530-541-1155
Discoverlktaho@hotmail.com

Robin Smith

2/1/2015 11:47:00 am

P.S. A person like Larry Kane lived here (Lake Tahoe) for 30 years.
That fact alone tells a lot about this place and what goes on here.

Alex Lewis link

9/12/2015 08:56:36 am

As a quick update to the claim that HH never visited the Sahara Tahoe, as made my Voigt on his site previously, then I would ask how does Harvey know on what date Donna applied for the job there? Harvey states in his report the actual date of her application as May 25 of 1970? Harvey clearly states He knows this because He was shown her application form by the Hotel.

Robin Smith

3/4/2015 03:21:05 am

N0w information about Lawrence Kane has been brought to my attention by one of these contributors that LK was in the club/hotel (lounges were BIG in the day) entertainment business in the mid 1940's.

Donna was kN0wn to have drinks after work and one of the comments made to her family by SAHARA TAHOE hotel employee's reportedly was, "the guy/s in the band kN0w what happened to her.

Robin Smith

3/12/2015 04:55:51 am

Edward Wayne Edwards..one of the Deer Lodge 3 (Bujok/Dryman/Edwards).....was in Leavenworth with Manson and was paroled from Leavenworth in 1967.

Manson Being paroled from Treasure Island March, 1967

He(EWE) became one of the first men who has ever been on the F.B.I.'s 'Ten Most Wanted" list to be paroled back into society and one of the very few men to be paroled from a federal penitentiary for bank robbery the FIRST time up before the parole board.

Since 1968 ewe WAS ALLOWED by his Federal Parole Officer in Ohio to travel the country and appear on TV, radio, churches, Police Academies, law schools claiming to be a former criminal..

EWE, "A woman who behaves foolishly in public, however innocently meant often finds herself in serious trouble. DO N0t visit bars and restaurants alone, and be EXTREMELY careful about drinking with strangers. Cases of attack and murder resulting from new found bar friendships are frequent."

Robin Smith

3/6/2015 02:56:03 am

Delbert Eugene 'del' Webb (May 17, 1899 - July 4, 1974) Wiki

I am N0t going to copy Wiki here...suffice to say, for the purpose of these comments:

Del Webb was a regular at THE SAHARA TAHOE...used to sit at the same bar as Larry Kane and Donna Lass.

Larry Kane was at the Sahara, he was selling Arizona Real Estate for Alan Dorfman and LK knew Del E Webb...we all did.
.
Del Webb built the FLAMINGO LAS VEGAS for BUGSY SIEGEL

Jono

3/7/2015 09:36:51 am

Strange I find that the people that Donna lived with before her disappearance went on holidays that same day and that he had car troubles and borrowed her car.. Modern police initiatives would make the male the number one or two Suspect.

Robin Smith

3/8/2015 01:18:51 am

JoN0

I did N0t kN0w that the Lowe's 'borrowed' Donna's car to go on vacation the day she disappeared!....News to me.

Robin Smith

3/8/2015 01:41:58 am

Donna went missing Sat night/Sun morning...Sat being Sep 5, 1970...Sunday 2:00am being Sep 6.

I would like to kN0w what days off Donna had? I do kN0w that Harrahs provided housing for college students that worked the summer only and then bussed them back to their hometown.

Did the Lowe's possibly work for Harrah's since they apparently had housing right on HWY 50 less than a mile from the SAHARA.

According to reports Donna was N0t the type to spend the entire summer in a motel room with people(one male) she did N0t kN0w WELL, so apparently the Lowes were her friends and as they were leaving Tahoe, summer was over..... thusly Donna needed somewhere else to stay....Monte Verdi Apts.

You say the Lowe's borrowed her car?...it was found at her apt....when was it returned? I also read that the Lowe's extended their Tahoe stay to look for Donna.

The Douglas County Sheriff, Nv and South Lake Tahoe Police Dept, Ca were obviously N0t interested in solving this one!!!!!

When you factor in the disappearance of Dr Charles L Hollingsworth (Oct 26, 1970), who was living just across the Street from her new apt, a regular gambler at the SAHARA, single, 39yrs old and very handsome....wellllll...hmmmm

Something very fishy all round here but then that's N0t news is it?

Robin Smith

3/8/2015 01:45:18 am

P.S. I tried to open your e-mail but my machine said N0...I'' also restricted about where I can send stuf:( try again or call me if you need to

sandy betts link

9/4/2015 08:02:46 pm

The Lowe's owned a real-estate company on Hyw 50 at State Line, that was where they also lived with Donna until she moved. If they barrowed her car, why would they return it to her apt. the night she went missing? She used her car the day before, to move from where she was living to her new apt. If they barrowed her car , it would have been for a couple of hours ?

Tahoedirt link

11/22/2017 09:16:51 pm

In the 60's Harrahs, Harveys and Sahara as a joint mission would recruit kids from 2-3 schools down south or back east. Carolina and Bama kids usually. BTW, Tommy from Ciera Steakhouse was one of the first. They'd usually put 4 girls or boys in a 2 bedroom apartment- Down Kahle or Pioneer Trail as I remember.

Jono

3/8/2015 03:43:05 am

I believe they borrowed the car the day before. They went on holidays the day she disappeared, after getting the car fixed. This was on one of the web sites. So it's unsubstantiated. Seems no one knows much about the Lowes. I think Annemarie and Donna worked together at the cottage hospital.

Robin Smith

3/8/2015 04:14:56 am

One of my N0tes says that a nurse at Cottage Hospital was suspected of stealing drugs and that Donna was asked to watch her and see...the suspected nurse was subsequently discharged as a result of Donna's observations. aN0ther hmmmm as her(Donna's) stint at Letterman Hosp at the Presidio was very short term...a couple of months...that's N0t right for her previous employment history.

Donna's friend Joanne G?..the one supposed to meet Donna at the Sahara the night she disappeared was N0t thoroughly questioned either as far as my N0tes show....the investigation should start with the LE agencies involved here and that necessarily includes the F.B.I...UH OH!!!! them!!!

Z0DIAC: COS, MANSON AND THE MOB

Jono

3/8/2015 04:20:08 am

Is there any way you can find out the occupations of the lowes

Robin Smith

3/8/2015 04:31:48 am

I will continue to dig through my N0tes, somewhere I think it has been said that Larry Lowe passed...I will try to find that N0te.

You said you think Annemarie worked at Cottage Hosp with Donna so medical field? I am continuing the search but the Cottage Hosp/Letterman Hosp /Presidio/Stine/Ferrin

Robert E Hunter Jr, Larry Kane connection can N0t be ignored as Z made a point of seeing to that, Z or an imposter Z...that's exactly why THEY can N0t shake this off...

THEY tried to remove Donna from the circle but it's N0t going away...Bruce Davis and Nancy Pitman Davis...yep they were reportedly married by the time Donna went missing....

Robin Smith

3/12/2015 05:16:00 am

Bruce Davis and Nancy Pitman were married 4-20-1970...

uh oh....4-20-1970 is the date Dr Charles L Hollingsworth DIVORCE was final...

uh oh....4-20-1970 is the date Zodiac letter with bomb plans sent to Chronicle

sandy betts link

6/24/2015 10:24:32 am

The lowe's owned a real estate company at State line, Lake Tahoe. Why on earth would they need to extend there time in Lake Tahoe when they were living there ? Where did the information come from about Darlene knowing Donna Lass ? Was it the same person who said Darlene knew Paul Stine ,Cheri Jo Bates, Cecelia Shepard and Betty Lou Jensen ? That was proven not to be true.So I doubt very much that knew Darlene knew Donna.The person making those claims wanted to involve Darlene with every known Zodiac victim. However ,I do believe that Darlene's murder is the key to solving the Zodiac case.

Robin Smith

6/25/2015 07:26:19 pm

The Lowe's owned a real estate company!! ! Well Jono that answers your question about the Lowe's occupations! TY Sandy.

Larry Kane was proven N0t to be at the Sahara until I read a post of your Sandy!...TY again:)

I always knew Larry Kane was here as I was here, therefore, people that were insisting that he was N0t here are suspicious to me.

Larry Kane has been connected to Darlene in many of the posts I've read some by people that claim to have kN0wn Darlene personally
.
The real estate thing with the Lowe's just adds fuel to the fire with Kane as he was involved with Bob Maloff,and George Karadanis(from Martinez). Let's N0t leave Allen Dorfman out of this either.

Plenty of skanky Stuf going on with this crew!!! and all those fingers pointing to Robert E Hunter's Sr and Jr. Too much to go on about here however, I've posted a lot between Richard Grinell and Alex Lewis.

Robin Smith

9/4/2015 02:03:52 am

Sandy

I just saw an old post in one of my notebooks and I was wondering if you could confirm it...an ex Vallejo cop was told by Darlene that a "hippy" was following her and she was afraid of him....

"The only time I saw KANE in long hair, was when he was in drag. Yes I saw him twice in drag!...

KANE IN DRAG?...Whoaaa and a whole new dimension is added to this boring guy!!!

Robin Smith

9/4/2015 09:07:14 am

The Lowe's were going on VACATION.......oh...that's what...they were not leaving town but to go on vacation...still trying to figure out the LOWES here. Looks like another LOCAL problem:)

Robin Smith

9/4/2015 10:00:00 pm

Sandy...TY for your help!!...one more thing...did you see KANE in drag??...twice!!

TY again for your help

Robin Smith

9/5/2015 12:51:51 pm

Sandy...ZODIACKILLER.COMMESSAGEBOARD:OTHERPOSSIBLEVICTIMS:DONNA LASS Oct 1, 2003

Sandy...."Thanks for the info on KANE. Now I can focus on my RH as the licker of the stamps, and perhaps as the writer. I can't let KANE off as a killer who I know is connected to RH, because I have seen the two of them together, one other person who escaped being killed by him also saw the two of them together. Thanks again Howard!!"

Is the RH Hunter Jr? most certainly not Sr!

Jono

3/8/2015 04:30:55 am

The Sharp/Gaul letter
Two lines of dripping blood
Right hand line has what appears to be letters in it. It is not at first obvious, but nor it should be.
The first two are L and A the last is a Y quite clear they are, and in between if you look closely you can see two R's joined. It reads LARRY. Maybe your larry Caine?

Robin Smith

3/8/2015 04:43:19 am

Have you checked out Alex Lewis' site? The Lawrence Kane- Zodiac Killer has all the arrests, names and available history...this creep was definitely involved with Donna/DarleneFerrin/Robert Hunter Jr./Stine

N0w new (to me) info about Klien/Kaye/Kane/Cane has surfaced about his involvement with the MOB, Siniatra and his child star aspirations. Lotsa child stars involved here.....

1920's born WWll J Edgar Hoover Mob bunch that spawned the 1940's born Manson mess bunch

sandy betts link

9/4/2015 08:13:14 pm

Robbin, I would like to reply to your question about the Ex Vallejo cop that Darlene told about the hippie she was afraid of. That cop was my boyfriend Buzz Gordon. It was true that she told him that. You mentioned Kane in drag ? Funny my suspect looks a lot like Kane and I saw my suspect in drag a few times. My suspect isn't Kane though.

Robin Smith

9/13/2015 08:42:33 am

Sandy,

You said in a previous post here that you saw KANE with your suspect RH.

Are you able to disclose RH's true name...I am interested because you say you saw KANE with this RH, who I get the impression is the one you saw in drag twice.

TY
Robin

Robin Smith

3/14/2015 04:01:20 am

Doreen Gaul/James Sharp were Scientology students and Doreen apparently haD "CLEAR" status....

N0 doubt in my mind that she was a "Z" as L Ron Hubbard and Anton LaVey figure in my theory...

ZODIAC: COS, MANSON AND THE MOB

Jono

3/14/2015 10:59:45 am

Have a look at that letter that drips of Z .. Right hand line running down it spells out LARRY.. Well concealed but easy to see when told about it ...No doubt it says larry. The rs are the tricky bit.

Robin Smith

3/14/2015 06:44:00 pm

JoN0

First I need to find a copy of this letter and then hope it's CLEAR enough to read.

I'll be back:)

Robin Smith

3/14/2015 07:27:19 pm

"The Zodiac Manson Connection" by Howard Davis pg 207,
shows this letter aaand well it's possible...along with the correlations made by the author with the FAMILY and the fact they liked to do 'finger pointing' to others to make alibi's for themselves definitely could be.

Larry Kane was definitely one that liked to do that and he absolutely knew Bruce Davis and probably others...like Ed Edwards and yes...here he comes again, that dopey Raymond Ottoboni from Colma, Ca fame, and his buddy Wayne Messier.

They were all here at Lake Tahoe!!!

Richard

3/16/2015 11:58:34 pm

Written by Stagliano in 2008:
http://forums.superiorpics.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1580205/Zodiac_Killer_Found.
ZODIAC: the conclusion

The “Zodiac” case was one of the most costly and misdirected police investigations in California history. Why? Because the murders associated with the “Zodiac” were a hoax, for the most part. The “Zodiac” was not a serial killer.

This may appear to you as absurd and ridiculous – the Zodiac case is a classic in the annals of serial killers. But follow the evidence, the techniques, victims, and even the varying description of the “Zodiac” – nothing really matches. The only link to a Zodiac serial killer is a series of letters written apparently by one man.

The murder in Riverside of Cheri Jo Bates on October 30, 1966 and the murder of Cecilia Shepherd on September 27, 1969 at Lake Berryessa show that the victims were stabbed savagely and repeatedly – the act of a butcher. These murders were similar to the slaying of Charles Manson’s uncle in London and in the Sharon Tate murders – a knife was the weapon of choice by the murderer. Now consider that when Bruce Davis, a member of the Charles Manson Family, was arrested in Southern California law enforcement found the hood, weapons and other evidence linking Davis to those two murders. He has always remained the top suspect in the London murder, as well. Because the District Attorney in Southern California had an open and shut case on Davis for two unrelated “Zodiac” murders, the DA decided not to raise the issue of the other murders or the Zodiac issue for fear of complicating the case. After two San Francisco detectives went to Southern California and were confronted with the “Zodiac” evidence, they returned to the Bay Area and announced that they were no longer investigating the “Zodiac” case.

The greatest puzzle in the entire Zodiac investigation was the inclusion of the Riverside murder of 1966, when all the other murders in Northern California took place between December 20, 1968 through October 11, 1969.

Ironically, the Zodiac name was created not by the individual claiming to be the Zodiac killer, but by a letter writer to the San Francisco Chronicle. The “Zodiac” simply signed his name in code and used a circle with a cross inside – either a Zodiac symbol or a hunter’s scope. The Zodiac did not claim the 1966 and 1968 murders – in fact the first Zodiac letter did not appear until July 11, 1969 after the murder of Darlene Ferrin on July 5, 1969. The Zodiac letters had no problem claiming specific victims; yet one letter claimed he had killed 37 people, failing to identify 31 of them. The failure to identify so many “victims” was out of character for the “Zodiac”. CONTINUED BELOW

Thomas Henry Horan link

8/16/2015 09:41:42 am

There is more to this than you have mentioned. The first three letters were written by one person; however, if you look closely at the hi-res scans of the following letters, they were clearly written by at least one other, and probably two other, people. In addition to distinctly different handprinting, those letters show a distinctly different personality and reason for writing.

The "lovesick" suspect in the Jensen murder was Ricky Burton. Danny Price was a different suspect, and a better one. You'll notice when you read the files that there was zero effort made to check his alibi, compared to the extensive effort made to check Ricky's.

The ballistics evidence collected at the Lake Herman Road scene very strongly suggests that the shooter got out of the PASSENGER side of the second car that James Owens saw parked next to the victims Rambler moments before he heard what sounded like a gunshot. The empty shell casing from that shot was found in the area outside the passenger door of the second car. The second shell casing was found in the area in front of the second car. The Donohue brothers, in jail awaiting trial for a separate murder, told Solano deputy Terry Cunningham that they were in that second car and described the scene, victims clothing, etc in very accurate detail. They accused a third man of being the shooter. Cunningham hinted that third man was supposedly David Ott, but it could also have been Danny Price.

Alex Lewis link

11/7/2015 11:47:10 am

Hi Thomas, good to see you here commenting. I recently listened to you radio interview on this case, well, 70% or so before I had to leave to run some errands and never got around to finish listening to the final 30% or so. Of what I did get through and remember, your theories are very interesting and I agree that evidence exists to base the concept of 'The' Zodiac Killer being a smoke and mirrors diversion to conceal some very real victim specific killing/killings.

I notice you make mention of James Owen above and His statements of the second vehicle, the audible shot fired etc and so I wanted to ask you: Do you, just in your personal opinion, believe Owen to be credible and accept His testimony at face value without question? I'm sure you know what I am getting at, do you think His discrepancies in 3ft vs 10ft distance between vehicles is simply due to what we today know to be the fallibility of witnesses statements? I ask because for me, yes, there are certain things you may not remember straight away and days, even weeks later have something come back to you but, a shot fired not being recalled the morning after the incident? An incident you know and have been told two teens were murdered having been shot to death?

Richard

3/16/2015 11:59:11 pm

Another oddity to the Zodiac case is the description of the killer. Some describe him as having a round face while others depict him as having a thin face. The police sketches show at least two completely different and unrelated faces. Each law enforcement agency had their own “suspect” and they differ widely with each other. A few suspects, however, were considered prime suspects in more than one jurisdiction. Either finger prints or hand writing didn’t match, even though the State Department of Justice said emphatically that the handwriting was the major key to solving the case.

Robert E. Hunter was considered a prime suspect in both San Francisco and Napa. His handwriting is also a perfect match. The Sentinel has boxes and boxes of Hunter’s handwriting taken from his garbage can in front of his home on Washington Street in San Francisco. But it isn’t just the handwriting that draws Hunter into the case. When Paul Stein, the cab driver, drove to Washington Street, the address on his log was that of Hunter’s house. The clues in the Zodiac letter about the school bus and “kiddies” refer to the Kiddie school, which can be seen from his house. Also, the Zodiac letter described the activities of the Police the night Stein was killed – keenly observing all the movements. Only some of the movements could have been seen from his Washington Street address. In Hunter’s driveway we obtained the license number of cars and traced one to his niece in Riverside. According to Cheri Jo Bates’ father, Cheri was a close friend of Hunter’s niece and was supposed to go out with her the night she was murdered. What stopped Hunter’s niece from accompanying Bates to the College Library that night was that she had a visitor – her uncle, Robert E. Hunter. Robert E. Hunter did not kill Bates, but he knew of the murder the next day. Hunter’s niece and Bruce Davis all left Riverside immediately after the murder.

Another fact tying Hunter to the case is the fact that he knew Donna Lass – supposedly the “last” victim of the Zodiac, though her body has never been found. She disappeared on September 30, 1970, nearly a year after the murder of Paul Stein. Bruce Davis was in prison at that time. In fact, he was arrested in Southern California the day after Paul Stein’s murder. Hunter, in some way can be connected to the murder of Paul Stein and the disappearance of Donna Lass. The motive may have been monetary in the case of Lass (which will be explained).

A lot of drug activity was taking place in Vallejo, which also involved Vallejo Police Officers. Darlene Ferrin, living beyond her financial means, was tight with the Vallejo cops and also in the drug scene. But Danny Price was also in tight with the cops and the drug activities. At least three Vallejo Police officers were driven from the force for illegal acts and one spent many years in prison. Price was a drug dealer and a person always in trouble with the law. In fact he had served time in prison. He had an air-tight alibi the night Betty Lou Jensen and David Faraday were murdered. This drug dealer said he was with a Police officer watching television the night the couple was murdered on Lake Herman Road. In separate and undisclosed interviews with drug dealers in Vallejo and some Police officers, each have stated that Price was the person who killed the two teenagers. The shooting of David Faraday is reported to have been an accident – an argument got out of hand. There is evidence that there were two – not one – assailants at the scene of the murders – perhaps the Police officer who ties into Price’s alibi. The car of the victims had the window down and the heater going full blast. The murder took place on December 20, 1968 – a very cold night. The only way the window would be down under most conditions is to communicate with someone outside.

Thomas Henry Horan link

8/16/2015 09:48:44 am

There were fingerprints found on the passenger door handle of Darlene's car that police believed probably belonged to the shooter. There were finger and palm prints found on the pay phone in Napa, and on the passenger door area of Bryan's car, and finger and Palm prints found on the cab which were believed to have probably belonged to those assailants. According to Napa Undersheriff Tom Johnson at a press conference on October 16, 1969, all of those prints appeared to match each other. According to the FBI report of Ocotober 23, NONE of the prints matched. Etc. etc. etc.

NONE of the evidence suggests any link between the murders. ALL of the evidence suggests otherwise. The letters contained information that the actual killers could not have known; a person who had access to ALL of the information used to write the letters has handprinting identical to the first three Zodiac letters. Those first three letters point pretty clearly at two Vallejo cops and their pet informant. That doesn't mean the guy was guilty, but it certainly suggests that the letters were written to call attention to him by someone who didn't want to get his own family shot up.

Richard

3/17/2015 12:01:44 am

Price was in love with Jensen and was upset that she was dating Faraday for the first time. According to the drug community, Price is alleged to have waved a weapon at the couple to scare them – there was no intention to shoot. The gun went off, whether in a struggle or freak accident. Price had been dating Jensen and she dropped him for Faraday. Unlike other “Zodiac-related” cases, there was no letter claiming responsibility, and there were no phone calls to Police claiming a murder. The murders, though they attracted a lot of publicity, did not create the sensation the Zodiac case did. Darlene Ferrin knew Price and she knew Jensen. In Graysmith’s book Zodiac, he states, “There was a love-sick boy who had been bugging her (Jensen) at school and who had threatened Dave (Faraday).”

To date we can link Davis to the Bates and Shepherd murders. We can link Hunter to some involvement in the Stein murder and Lass disappearance. We can link Price with the murders of Faraday and Jensen. What about Darleen Ferrin?

It wasn’t until six days after Darleen Ferrin murder that the Zodiac’s first letter surfaced. Ferrin had a direct link to Paul Stein, the cab driver. Ferrin was murder on September 27, 1969 and Stein two weeks later on October 11, 1969. The death of Ferrin was the birth of the Zodiac myth.

Though Darlene was married, she continued to date and associate with Police officers and members of the drug community. She sold drugs herself – not on a massive basis, though. On or about April 1969 - a few months before her death – a man, who fits the description of Lawrence Kane and Paul Petri, as well as Bruce Davis, commenced to hang around her house. She told her sister that the man must have returned from out-of-state and that she saw him kill someone. Kane had been living in Las Vegas and returned, and it was also the time Davis returned from London. Petri was a CHP Officer who had not left the state. Thus, Petri was not the man outside of Darlene’s house. The man brought gifts and met Darlene at Terry’s, where she worked. Kane, Petri and Davis all match the composite drawing made by the San Francisco Police of the man seen exiting the cab of Paul Stine after his murder. Petri had dated Darlene and was very much in love with her.

The man outside of her house continued to question her about where she was getting her money from. She was wearing fancy clothes, was a guest of a luxury yacht on July 4 and took private flights with someone. Kane did not have much funding. After Darlene’s murder, Kane disappeared. Davis lived in Vallejo and immediately went south to live with the Manson Family. Petri was under investigation for Darlene’s murder.

sandy betts link

8/18/2015 02:02:41 pm

Richard, The information you have been given is not correct. Darlene did not know Betty Lou Jensen or Paul Stine. I have not been able to prove one way or the other about her knowing Larry Kane. My suspect happens to look very much like Kane.In fact I investigated Kane myself ,because I was told that was the name of my suspect. For years I believed that until Kane died and my guy was still very much alive.Kane is the best suspect for the Donna Lass case. Darlene was not murdered on Sep 27th that was Cecilia Shepard. Kane and Davis looked nothing alike. Darlene is the key to the case that part is true.

Richard

8/18/2015 04:16:17 pm

Hi Sandy, that information above was taken from a forum post by Stagliano in 2008: I just presented it to show Robin in case he hadn't seen it, but personally I don't subscribe to it.

Robin Smith

8/19/2015 12:50:00 am

TY Richard...as I had not seen Stag's comments!! I do appreciate it.

Also TY Sandy!! as a matter of fact I did not know that the Lowe's owned a real estate company when Donna was staying with them.

Do you have anymore info on the Lowe's Sandy?

Robin Smith

9/5/2015 05:02:45 am

Sandy...ahhh ha!

Sandy...June 6, 2001 from ZodiacKiller.comMessage Board: How did Allen become a suspect?..

..."The only time I saw Kane with long hair, was when he was in drag. Yes I saw hum twice in drag!"...

Whew...I see that now I can move on:) Finding and straightening all this stuff out is a nightmare but I see now that you thought it was Kane in drag in 2001 as he did not die until 2010. TY again:)

Lee

12/9/2017 11:08:31 pm

How do you know for sure Darlene did not know Stine? They lived in the same part of SF for awhile. And she lived in the same town as Betty Lou. So I am not sure how you can denounce some connections so definitively.

Lee

12/9/2017 11:11:56 pm

Where are you getting this info? Interesting but for one thing Ferrin was killed July 4th not September.

Richard

3/17/2015 12:02:20 am

Darlene had refused to join the Ott drug organization and was selling as a free agent. Her companion, Michael Mageau was with Darlene at the time of her death and he apparently knows who killed her. He was shot several times by the assailant and went into hiding after he recovered. He will not talk about the case. When Darlene’s sister attempted to visit Mageau years later, shots were fired into her house in Antioch – the family dog was killed in the process. Also, a Police officer working with Darlene’s family was also shot at. The drug community indicates that Mageau may actually have set Darlene up.

The Vallejo drug community has forwarded information in Darlene’s case stating that Darlene knew too much about the drug traffic and police connection to the drug traffic and that she would not join the drug organization and provide a portion of her sales to them.

Darlene, like most of the known victims, was not a victim of the Zodiac - she was a victim – as many were – of the Vallejo-Napa drug community. When the original Zodiac letter was sent – six days after Darlene’s murder – the Vallejo Police jumped at the chance of linking it to a serial killer – it fit a pattern that would divert attention away from them. The Police have been in conflict – one officer, who accompanied Darlene to the hospital in the back of the ambulance – says that she was dead at the scene. But two officers who responded to the murder scene state that not only was Darlene alive at the time she was placed in the ambulance, she was also expected to live. She was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital. She died in the ambulance, attended only by a single police officer, who was the first on the scene to the shooting and also the first on the scene to the Jensen-Faraday shootings. This police officer had also dated Darlene.

One of the strangest events associated with Darlene’s death was that the passenger door handle was missing at the scene of the crime. Mageau could not get out of the car because the door handle wouldn’t work. The handle was not on the car when it was impounded by the Police. The vehicle was under tight compound security and on the next day, the door handle had been placed back on the vehicle within the secure compound. Darlene was not a Zodiac-related killing.

The drug community indicates that Officer Petri shot Darlene, acting as a hit man for the Ott organization. Another Police officer in the ambulance is believed to have finished the job. Darlene knew Kane and Kane knew Paul Stein – all involved in the drug traffic. In the meantime, Donna Lass was entering her fourth month on the East Coast with a prominent and wealthy doctor – Robert E. Hunter, Sr., father of Robert E. Hunter.

Hunter, an ingenious San Francisco banker was a prime suspect in the Zodiac murders – but he never killed anyone. This does not mean that he was innocent or that he was not involved in the case. His house, his clues, his symbolisms, and especially his handwriting lay critical evidence at his door step. Hunter appears to be the architect of the hoax that lead police investigators on a wild goose chase. The purpose would be diversion. Stein had just been robbed while driving his Yellow Cab in San Francisco. He was reluctant about picking up any passengers. Yet the last passenger he would ever pick up was allowed to sit in the front seat. Stein would also have been upset with the murder of Darlene Ferrin, a close friend of his. Stein did not know Hunter but he did know Kane, quite well. Kane also was familiar with Stein’s ties to Darlene and the drug organization. Kane had worked for the mob in Vegas. His Vegas mob boss went to the Midwest for a “mob organization” meeting. He was murdered there. Kane came back to the Bay Area.

When the cab driver was murdered, his log showed the address on Washington Street to be that of Hunter’s. Hunter knew Donna Lass as the woman who ran off with his father for six months to the East Coast. Hunter’s father was wealthy – so wealthy that he donated an entire wing to a hospital in Southern California were Donna Lass worked as a nurse. It was Kane that drove Lass to Lake Tahoe for a new job in the same casino that he was working for. She disappeared shortly after that. A Zodiac letter gave clues to her body, but it has never been found. The clues have been deciphered and the exact location indicated in the last Zodiac letter has been found. A few artifacts belonging to Lass were found in what appeared to be a shallow grave, but no body surfaced.

You put Kane’s relationship to Darlene and Stein, add the fact that Lass was a passenger when Kane and she drove to Lake Tahoe before her disappearance – and you have linkage. Also, Kane fits the Zodiac description given by witnesses to the Stein murder. He also fits the description of the man who flew with Hun

Alex Lewis

8/16/2015 07:00:32 pm

Lass has always been mentioned in association with a wealthy banker from San Francisco and it's often assumed to be Hunter. This may well be true or have some basis to it but in Harvey Hines full report, He makes mention of Donna Lass was employed at Letterman from Sept of 1969 to June of 1970. She submitted an application to the Sahara Tahoe on May 25, 1970. However, previous to both the Letterman and Sahara Tahoe positions, Donna worked as a travelling private duty nurse (Home care) for A Dr. Frederich Reichert and it was upon his passing, she applied for the Letterman Job.

I wonder if this is the 'wealthy banker' people mix up with being associated with Donna.

Alex Lewis

8/16/2015 07:10:05 pm

From Reichert's obituary:

" During his professional career Dr. Reichert was active in a number of societies. He was a
member of the Alpha Omega Alpha and Sigma Xi societies at Johns Hopkins. He also held
membership in the American Medical Association, the California Medical Association, the
Society of Experimental Biology and Medicine, the Pacific Coast Surgical Association, the
American Neurological Association, the American Surgical Association, the Harvey Cushing
Society, the International Society of Surgery, the Pan-Pacific Surgical Congress and the
American Association for the Study of Trauma.

sandy betts link

9/5/2015 08:43:51 pm

Richard, Robt. Hunter Jr did not live at that house on Washington . He was living on Lyon. Mrs Augsbury's gardener and his family was living at that house, after she passed away.
So much misinformation in this case! And no my RH is not Hunter. Feel free to ask me any questions. Someone wanted to know how Art Allen became a suspect? Two of his friends started the whole thing, then Ralph Spinnilli claimed Allen told him he was Zodiac. Allen had a Zodiac watch and that started the ball rolling on Allen. He was way too large to be Zodiac.There was a very good chance that Darlene was involved in a counterfeit ring in Vallejo. She was about to go to the police about it, when she was killed. She was not random ! That is what I believe, because I knew one of the people in that ring who mentioned her name to me.

Robin Smith

9/14/2015 05:24:27 am

Whew...there are so many initials and fake names and Mr X's involved in this case that it is absolutely amazing!! No wonder no one has ever been able to get to the REAL suspects.

Oh I see! 44 years later everybody is still worried about getting sued?? I think somebody is worried about being involved personally in murder!

William J Grant?...is that the REAL name of Mr X? RH? Sierra Club's Judge Sherwin's secretary/mistress' husband?

The one that supposedly got a speeding ticket in Tahoe (North/South Ca/Nv? ) at the same rime Donna Lass went missing?

I wonder which cop is hiding that little tid bit.

Robin Smith

9/14/2015 05:43:39 am

Oooops! 45 years later!!!

TIME FLIES when you're having fun:)

Alex Lewis

9/14/2015 02:14:50 pm

Robin. . . .

"Oh I see! 44 years later everybody is still worried about getting sued??"

Well when you say 'everybody' Robin, I must insist I be excluded from this list because I didn't learn of Kjells name untill literally weeks prior to his death, and a legal threat against myelf for defamation of character would not be worth the paper it was printed upon because yes, Kjell could have appealed to the Civil Court as Plantiff alleging myself, the defendant, had been a naughty boy but the judge can award the Plantiff as much in damages as He likes, I would then intantly declare bankrupcy. But before doing so would use the Law to my advantage and specifically 'The right of the accused to face his accuser' and I would then proceed with what would later be dubbed, 'The longest ever cross-examination in he history of the Legal System, in both Civil and Criminal Trial by Jury History!

Alex Lewis

9/14/2015 02:23:18 pm

"William J Grant?...is that the REAL name of Mr X?

No. I told you who Mr X is/was. Kjell Hammond Qvale, 3636 Jackson St resident at time of Paul's Murder.

Lee

12/9/2017 11:22:58 pm

Are you also not the ex of a Vallejo cop? So what do you say about the allegations that so many of them were dirty?

Robin Smith

9/28/2015 04:24:13 am

Donna Lass, according to several 'sources', was connected to Robert E Hunter Sr and Robert E Hunter Jr was not happy about that!

MONEY MONEY MONEY was apparently involved and all connections between Hunter Sr and Lass have been ignored or just plain hidden. I suspect hidden, as her ties to Cottage Hospital in Santa Barbara have been.

Howard Davis has put Manson a couple of blocks away from Donna's residence in Santa Barbara at the time she was there.

The fact she was involved in/spied on a nurse that was stealing drugs at Cottage Hospital and the 'drugs' crooked police connection in Vallejo keep popping up.

According to newspaper articles provided by Galaxie 500 KANE offered to help police to get off some of his jewelry heist capers and to openly admit conspiring with police to give them info will certainly get one killed, however KANE just kept going and going and going.

I continue to trawel through this myriad of minutiae.

Dana

2/13/2016 10:42:53 pm

I'm the one who came up with the connection of hunter and Donna at the cottage hospital. But I want to mention one of my lastest observations. Darlines sister once said darline once worked at a coffee shop near crocker bank one Montgomery and darline cashed her checks there. In darlines phone book she has a listing for franks coffee shop 10 Geary st. That's one block from croxker bank the nearest reateraynt in the area so I believe darlines sister even though she's told stories in the past. Back in 65 when darline worked there hunter was the plat form manger at crocker that means he would greet customers when they came in. Now could he have met darline then did he eat at franks plus other crocker employees since franks was the closets

Robin Smith

2/14/2016 02:35:14 am

When did Sylvia and Robert E Hunter divorce? This is a key question that N0 one has come up with! the answer to.

..Sylvia was an A list SF socialite, a Catholic and Robert E Hunter Jr was not notable. He did something pretty awful to get this woman to divorce him and N0 one is interested??

D. Beat

2/21/2016 11:00:34 pm

The Hunters devorced sometime in 1990. Sylvia married Hunters business partner Leonard Kingsley. The booth worked at 244 California 7th floor

Richard

3/17/2015 12:02:53 am

* Lass quit her job in Santa Barbara on the same day Robert E. Hunter, Jr., sold his house in San Francisco.

* Lass and two men from San Francisco frequently flew to Riverside. The men lived near her in San Francisco. Hunter and Kane closely fit the room mate’s description of the two men who flew to Riverside with Lass. Kane and Hunter lived within a few blocks of Lass.

* Lass went to Lake Tahoe with Kane and worked in the same Casino together – she as a nurse, and he in his extended position with the mob. The employment was at the Sahara Hotel.

* The last Zodiac letter – for at least three years = was sent in reference to Donna Lass’ disappearance.

* The Zodiac message on Donna Lass’ death describes property in the Sierra’s that matches perfectly with property owned by Hunter in Alpine.

Coincidentally, the first Zodiac letter began after Donna Lass went to the east coast with Robert E. Hunter, Sr. The letters began about three months into their trip. The letters drew on known information about other murders – a precursor for a future plot. The Zodiac letters may well have been written to cover up a future murder and not to confess to murders that the Zodiac had any involvement with. It was important, however. For the Zodiac to establish the authenticity of the Zodiac letters and Paul Stine’s murder may have been only to provide solid evidence linking the Zodiac to an actual murder and to do double duty for the drug dealers in Vallejo – getting rid of Stein and his link and knowledge of Darlene Ferrin.

By sending in a piece of the bloody cab driver’s shirt with a letter set the stage to “prove” a serial killer existed and that previous claims of murders were authentic. It was a hoax, pure and simple, to set the stage for the murder of Donna Lass.

What happened between Hunter, Sr., and Donna Lass for six months on the east coast? If a courtship had arisen from that trip, was Donna creeping into the will of Hunter, Sr.? When Hunter, Sr., died only one known will existed – the Sentinel has a copy of it – and there was no protest – but again, there was no Donna Lass to protest should she have been included in the will.

Were the Zodiac letters an elaborate and calculated ploy to set up Donna Lass? This would explain why law enforcement officials could never crack the Zodiac case of a single madman. No set of evidence from various murders would match with the others from the method, weapon and relationship. Police in San Francisco quit the case when reviewing information in Southern California. The Police in Vallejo were happy to accept another theory to cover up crooked cops. A jealous lover also played a role. The only link to any of this was letters claiming murders in order to set up a future murder.

Zodiac was a myth that hypnotized the San Francisco Bay Area for decades – when the whole plot may have been the simplest and most common in the annals of time – money.

Robin Smith

3/18/2015 03:48:13 am

StagliaN0 2008...TY Richard!:)

Zodiac was N0t a HOAX...Z was an operation and Stag is correct in that DARLENE FERRIN was the reason for 0peration Zodiac (0Z).

When Manson, "a stinky little car thief", so named by one of his prison mates, was turned loose from Treasure Island in 1967, he asked to STAY in prison. He had been there for 16 of his 32 years. His last two years being spent with Alvin"Creepy" Karpis. oh oh...F.B.I.

N0 to staying...go out with drugs and sex and get a riot going. Well, when the 'riot' did N0t materialize as planned...he and their plan fell apart. Manson had worn out his welcome everywhere and with everyone by screwing them all over. Manson went" N0rth"and when he did return to the desert he said that, "up N0rth" they canN0t get their s*** together.

Darlene Ferrin was going to blow the lid off. Sex, drugs, crooked cops and Mayor Joe Alioto having night-time meetings with "Jimmy The Hat" and other Mob hit men at the Nut Tree.

Darlene and Donna both frequented the Nut Tree as did their families and friends and both knew Kane/Davis/Hunter/Stein.

Davis with direct connections to Scientology/LRH/CoS/Anton LaVey
Kane having direct connections with The Mob/Alioto/Sinatra

Lotsa MONEY, murder...drugs and sex

Darlene and all that really messy underage sex, drugs and crooked local cops and Straight Satans.

I could write a book about all this, however, as evidenced by all of these posts...I am N0t a writer.

Lee

12/9/2017 11:27:45 pm

Where are you getting your info?

Robin Smith

3/18/2015 06:28:51 am

The Kings Castle casiN0 was opened at Incline Village, Nevada in 1969 by Nathan S. Jacobson. When the new hotel and casiN0 opened, the Incline Village Hotel and CasiN0 across the street closed.

Nate was the money guy for Jay Sarno who developed Caesars Palace and its first president....

One airline stewardess that 'dated' Nate said, "Titanic. Volcanic. Horrific. His temper was a spectacle to behold when he gambled and lost, yelling and swearing at the blackjack dealers and pit bosses. And lose he did.

He lost big time and regularly at the SAHARA TAHOE.

Alex Lewis link

3/31/2015 04:46:37 am

Hey Rich....

As I think I mentioned already, I spoke with Destry Hines a few months back about Kane and the general Zodiac case after he liked and became a follower of my website. In that initial conversation sent me Kane's prints and the latents that were lifted from Bryans car at Berryessa.

Anyway,to cut a long story short, he told me that after His Father had passed away, he sent all his research and evidence he had gathered to Ed Rust. So, i've just sent Destry a message asking him could he put me in touch with Ed Rust. If he can, I plan to ask Ed Rust if he would send me everything Destry gave him, or at the very least photocopies of the files and tell him I will pay the costs to do this as well as shipping/postage costs.

If I can get hold of all the files and documentation put together by Harvey Hines in regards to suspect Kane, I'll send all of it on via email to you Rich and you can then upload any and/or all files of he wishes.

Alex Lewis

3/31/2015 05:35:02 am

Speaking of Mr Rust, it appears Ed now hold a World Record that he got media attention for:

http://www.timesheraldonline.com/general-news/20150317/former-vallejo-police-officer-ed-rust-sets-world-record-at-lifting-event-in-chico

Richard

3/31/2015 02:25:15 pm

That would be fantastic Alex, would it be possible to post it in article form with accreditation, with his permission and yours. As regards the weightlifting, that is mighty impressive at 73 or any age for that matter. I wouldn't like to meet him in a dark alley.

Richard

4/1/2015 03:29:27 am

That would be fantastic. As regards the weightlifting, that is mighty impressive at 73 or any age for that matter. I wouldn't like to meet him in a dark alley.

Alex link

4/28/2015 02:09:18 am

Anyway, Back to Donna for a moment. I am pretty sure Donna had some knowledge of the crimes and person/people behind it. I think Kane knew Donna and that I am sure of, her work colleagues affirm as such so I think Donna either knew or had evidence of something incriminating against Kane. I think she likely promised Kane his secret was safe and that she wanted to move away to start over and get away from what she knew regarding the happenings in San Fran. Maybe Her and Darlene saw or were privy to the same knowledge. Dee said to her sister on the eve of her death "You'll read about me in tomorrows Newspapers."
Some have questioned whether Dee had a premonition of her death but that, for me, is both irrational and illogical. Irrational because people don't get 24 hours notice of their imminent demise and illogical because if Darlene did have some sort of psychic premonition of being murdered that night, then I would think she'd stay away from dark and lonely car park's at a late hour.

I think Donna may have been privy to the same or similar knowledge that Dee was. Dee, it is alleged, told at least one other person she had seen the man now stalking her murder someone. Did she arrange to meet this man that night and planned to threaten or blackmail him and brought Mike along falsely believing that with a witness with her, this man would not attack her?

I think Donna may have got mixed up in something she either did not want to be mixed up with or at the least, knew something about someone that that someone was fearful of Donna having that info to the point where when she left SF for a new start in Sth. Lane Tahoe, the guy, in all likelihood Kane, followed her to keep an eye on her and make sure she didn't open her mouth and become The States Witness against himself. She was there for Three Months before she went missing so she may have herself become fed up of Kane keeping tabs on her and threatened to expose him and his secret, A very costly mistake threatening this person in the mistaken hope or belief that he'd back off and leave her alone, a similar misjudgement Darlene made underestimating just how volatile and dangerous this man could be when faced with a person threatening to out him