THE LADY IN THE BLUE HOUSE

7/25/2017

3841 18th Street, San Francisco

Desert Sun Newspaper -November 10th 1969: Arsenic Is Found In Soft Drink MARTINEZ (UPI)-- 'A young schoolteacher who received threatening telephone calls for 10 days thought the caller was a crank who was pretending to be the Zodiac killer. But police took the threats seriously after 24-year-old Daniel Williams found a lethal dose of arsenic in a bottle of soft drink in his refrigerator. Williams, a teacher at Salesian High School in Richmond, told police the caller talked of how he intended to kill several persons, then last; Sunday said: “You’re the dead duck.” Williams went out and when he returned home found someone had pried open the screen on a back door. However, a police search showed nothing was missing. But after the officers left and Williams took a drink from a bottle of opened soft drink in his refrigerator, he found it tasted “metallic” and immediately spit it out. Police reported Friday that the bottle contained more than enough arsenic to kill a human being. Williams said the caller identified himself as the still sought Zodiac killer of five, but police discounted the idea. The caller would “sob and complain of headaches.” Williams said, and on one occasion said he had gone to a Martinez school in search of victims but left when he found police there. Williams said the caller told him: “I’m too smart for them". link

The San Francisco Chronicle ran an article on the same subject on November 8th 1969, stating "The string of sadistic calls began on October 23rd. On one occasion, the caller told Williams he had gone to a Martinez school in search of victims but had left when he found police there. Another time, the teacher said the caller, whose voice he described as muffled as if speaking through a handkerchief, said he was going to "kill the lady in the blue house". The arsenic laden drink was discovered on November 2nd 1969, so clearly the intention was to kill. The jury is still out on whether this was the Zodiac Killer, but nevertheless this threat was persistent through October and November.

The article ran in the San Francisco Chronicle on November 8th 1969, so if this was the Zodiac he may have been unaware at the point he mailed the Dripping Pen card on November 8th as to whether his deadly attack had been successful. He mailed the "poison pen" letter on the same day and declared "I thought you would need a good laugh before you hear the bad news. You won't get the news for a while yet". Clearly, had Daniel Williams died from the poisoning, he may not have been discovered immediately. The style of attack would also conform to Zodiac's new declaration on November 9th that "I have grown rather angry with the police for their telling lies about me. So I shall change the way the collecting of slaves. I shall no longer announce to anyone. When I committ my murders, they shall look like routine robberies, killings of anger, + a few fake accidents, etc".

The threatening phone calls and attempted murder of this high school teacher would precede the second cipher offering from the Zodiac, in what could be interpreted as a "poison pen" letter. The Zodiac Killer's first cipher was cracked in a matter of days by Donald Gene and Bettye June Harden. Don Harden began teaching at North Salinas High School in 1960.

Donald Gene Harden

Martinez and Richmond, California, where Daniel Williams lived and worked are direct routes from Vallejo and Benicia through to San Francisco. The threatening caller stated he was going to "kill the lady in the blue house". So if the caller was Zodiac, however small the likelihood, what is the reasoning behind this threat, and was he familiar with the woman or the area in question? One famous San Francisco "blue house" is situated in the Castro District at 3841 18th Street, San Francisco, near Haight-Ashbury and the Golden Gate Park. It is 3.4 miles southeast of the October 11th 1969 murder of Paul Stine, a month earlier.

It was memorialized in music by French singer Maxime Le Forestier in 1971, inspired by his time living in the blue house with a hippie commune called "Hunga Dunga". 'Maxime Le Forestier spoke of the house where everyone was welcome, where Tom, Phil and Psylvia lived. The house was in fact home to the Hunga Dunga commune, and several of the people mentioned in the song still live in the Bay Area'. Mission Local.

Could Daniel Williams have been Zodiac's intended eighth victim, and was the Bus Bomb letter mailed on November 9th 1969 stating "This is the Zodiac speaking up to the end of Oct I have killed 7 people" indicative that an eighth victim was yet to be discovered, somewhere between October 31st 1969 and the date of this letter. The fact that Zodiac made a point of highlighting the "end of Oct" in the Bus Bomb letter, rather than just stating "to date I have killed 7 people" is extremely suggestive that we hadn't "heard the bad news yet".

Alex Lewis

7/25/2017 01:34:13 pm

Hmmm, Zodiac seemed to pick victims at random, or at least at face value it would appear that's what He did. He even demanded His communication be published by using threat and coercion to that if they do not print this on the front page of their paper, He then said "I will cruize around the Bay Area all weekend until I end up with a dozen or so Victims...'

The thrill of the Kill and successful getaway was what it was all about for Him because as long as He 'Did His Thing' then was able to get away without capture this enabled Him to do what He appeared to enjoy more than the Killing itself and that's write all about how the several different various Police Departments & Sheriffs Offices are completely powerless to stop Him to incompetent to catch Him & not clever enough to work out who He is.

That's what He seemed to get the biggest kick out of. The Zodiac now doing House Calls. . . .? I don't know mate but completely agree with your assertion that whether it was genuinely Zodiac or a caller simply claiming that was who He was falsely, it does no Harm to at least explore it.

'Welsh plunged off Your site with a Good-Bye wave
and an echo arose from His Rant's and His Rave. . .

Tit-willow Tit-willow Tit-willow, Hasn't He been smothered by now with a big fluffy pillow?

Signed:
Yours Truly.

PS - If I do not see this message on the Front Page of your site, I will do something conformist, which You know I am incapable of doing!

Me - Just Saying that's All

ZCRG: Rolling eyes & Tutting!

Richard

7/25/2017 02:20:26 pm

You're likely correct Alex. I too doubt a Zodiac connection, but I cannot help thinking he was very specific about the "end of October" in the Bus Bomb letter. Usually the Zodiac gives us a running total with each letter. In the November 9th letter he effectively stated "This is the Zodiac speaking up to the end of October 31st 1969 I have killed 7 people." Bearing in mind the Dripping Pen card says "I thought you would need a good laugh before you hear the bad news.", and we know what bad news means with Zodiac, is suggestive that he has committed a murder between October 31st and November 8th. But what sort of murder could be committed that wouldn't be found immediately? Possibly a concealed body, or somebody murdered in their house. The Zodiac certainly hadn't yet done house calls, but he certainly threatened to "change the way the collecting of slaves." Probably hot air, but who knows. What do you suppose is the bad news we won't get for a while. Any ideas Alex or anyone? Bad news was usually murder with Zodiac.

Drew

7/25/2017 04:00:55 pm

If not murder, maybe bad news is a reference to the phoney who called in to the Dunbar show not being Zodiac. We assume that he sent the letter to Belli because of the show, this may have also been a response. Real Zodiac or not the timing of the calls and the persistent caller's reference to headaches suggests an association to the show as well.

Richard

7/25/2017 04:16:14 pm

Excellent point Drew, this is very plausible. Do you reckon the attempted murder of Daniel Williams may have been somebody close, using the Zodiac as the fall guy, so to speak. One more thing-when Zodiac stated "You won't get the news for a while yet," it seems like he is confident of this fact, whereas the police realizing the Belli caller was a hoaxer was beyond his control, and in all likelihood was determined shortly after the Jim Dunbar show. The headaches as you say, seem a convenient ruse for the caller, and in itself suggests the Daniel Williams caller was parroting the show and therefore not Zodiac.

Drew

7/25/2017 05:04:02 pm

I think the theory that someone used Zodiac's notoriety as a scapegoat is very plausible, frustratingly so, but it sounds farfetched that someone who wanted someone dead would make ten phone calls to make the point that it is Zodiac. It also sounds like the taunting was done before the break in, which to me suggests that the taunt was more important than the murder.

The dripping pen card author's confidence that the bad news won't be delivered for a while is curious and definitely a wrench in the bad news=discovering the Dunbar phoney theory. I don't know, poisoning would explain it nicely, but Zodiac was very good at ominous ambiguous threats. The end of October claim as you say seems very specific, as was the school bus threat, the bomb threat, his description of the witness who saw him + his car, etc. As far as this kind of writing goes he was highly skilled (my brother would say trained).

If bad new was a reference to Williams or poisoning as an idea I wonder if he shopped for a long time for just the right greeting card or whether it was the greeting card itself that was the inspiration.

Drew

7/25/2017 05:40:57 pm

Have you ever read poster "Rand" on Morf's site discuss his theory about the former Minuteman Troy Haughton who faked his death to join an underground militia splinter group and then became Zodiac? The thread itself is a long mess full of bitter disputes but it is fascinating stuff. Anyway the Minutemen had a circled crosshairs for a logo and published some kind of newsletter called On Target and they posted flyers in San Francisco about poisoning people and other covert tactics.

Alex Lewis

7/25/2017 10:37:48 pm

What type of murder could He have committed that, theoretically at least, may not have been immediately discovered or known of for a time yet? Well if you took that article above and forget Z is in question here as possible suspect in Break & Enter and tampering with consumable good setc etc and instead You simply asked Me: "If You were going to kill someone in a way in which you could be confident that the homicide itself wouldn't be uncovered or found for a few days or a week or two even, what method would You opt to use in such a circumstance?" Oddly enough Rich My first thought would be 'Poison! With specific focus on and use thereof: Arsenic..... and here is why. . .

If I want to poison You Rich & want and intend you to literally drop dead there and then within minutes then I certainly ain't entertaining the use of Arsenic because even if the bottle is small 500ml size, it needs a large amount of Arsenic, A Heavy Metal Compound, You would not fail to notice it's taste.

You'd also likely be talking 2 LTR Soda Bottle Rich so I would be thinking of the Liquid mass/volume vs amount of poison needed to kill a human if I assumed You were going to have one glass full poured from a 2 LTR Bottle or a few swigs and gulps here, then several; hours later a few more and essentially let You poison yourself slower and over a short period of time.

However, if I truly want to kill you outright Rich with Poison I Neither want you to detect nor survive after ingesting then I am only going to use one poison. . . . Cyanide! This Poison is so potent and highly toxic that a small amount that fits onto your pinky finger is more than enough to kill Ten Adult Men & once ingested. . .game over, You Lose!

WARNING! Link to follow shows man commit suicide in Court after Jury find Him Guilty. He can be seen putting his hand up to His mouth, then appears to swallow something. Minutes later He turns on his chair, leans forward and begins to dribble and gag and choke falling off the chair. Again, GRAPHIC CONTENT in the following clip:

https://youtu.be/w_3869woRAI

Ray Grant link

7/25/2017 04:15:00 pm

Maybe you stopped looking at the other article; I’ll repeat myself.

“Here we have a killer or killers who tirelessly wrote to the newspapers to convince us he/they were the killer. The August 31st letters described the clothing and position of the bodies. The immediate reply to Jack Stiltz supplying extra details to the San Francisco Examiner. His phone calls. The writing on the car door. The Paul Stine shirt piece. The Bus Bomb letter rebuttal to Chief Martin Lee. The letter writer was eager to convince us he was the killer. The crimes themselves proved he took inordinate risks, such as Berryessa and Presidio Heights. But his/their simplest way of tying all four crimes together was to use the same gun in each crime, or leave a pre-fired bullet at Berryessa. However the killer/s decided to constantly change weapon. It certainly wasn't to minimize risk, as he hadn't displayed much of this in his murders. I doubt any gun used was registered to the owner. Therefore it was a simple matter to bury the gun, sealed, in a discreet location separating the murder weapon from the killer/s, until required for the next attack. What are the chances the killer had access to weaponry, taking it surreptitiously, yet returning it after the crime. It seems odd that a killer/s did everything possible to link himself/themselves to the crimes, but failed to choose a method of certainty, by using the same gun.”

ZODIAC KILLER SOLVED by Ray Grant, Chapter 18: Baby Block Cryptography, "Gun Numbers" section.

If you bother to read the ebook I gifted you, you'll find it answers pretty much any question you have about the case.

Richard

7/25/2017 04:20:50 pm

I'll definitely read them Ray. They will certainly take pride of place on my yet to be erected bookshelf. I will let you know when they arrive and they may very well spawn a few more articles for us to debate!

Drew

7/25/2017 06:32:12 pm

I won't spoil it for you Richard but I can't resist giving you a cryptic hint. The answer to the weapon choices is E R H O.

Ray Grant link

7/26/2017 04:22:39 am

Thanks for reading, Drew!

"If you bother to read the ebook I gifted you, you'll find it answers pretty much any question you have about the case."

Note that I said "ebook." The Gun Numbers section is in Chapter 18 of the EBOOK that I gifted you a while ago. It's also in the paperback of course, but you don't have to wait until July 31-August 4 to read the Gun Numbers section, because it's in the EBOOK. Just open up your Kindle or Kindle app and read it now (it's just a few pages).

Ray Grant link

7/26/2017 05:55:14 am

SIGNATURE PHRASE 1

As a bonus to Drew for reading my book, I’m posting a section from Chapter 18 which was originally edited out of ZODIAC KILLER SOLVED back in June 2015 because I was trying to avoid making points that were too “cryptographic,” particularly cryptography that might be seen as too manipulative of the source text.

In retrospect, I find this point, which goes back at least to 2008 in my computer notes, very striking, and will probably upload it to the Kindle version of my book when I get a chance.

SIGNATURE PHRASE

The biggest mistake cryptographers make, when they try to analyze the Zodiac ciphers, is that they assume a serial killer who was sending them ciphers would necessarily come up with some convoluted key involving bigrams and trigrams and transposition schemes (sounds like “Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!” from the Wizard of Oz!).

I don’t think a serial killer who was writing letters to the newspapers, trying to make the police and public look stupid, would do anything that complicated.

I think he’d come up with something very simple, the way that magicians performing card tricks do, where they fool you with sleight of hand, which is a form of misdirection.

The simpler the trick, the stupider the mark will look when it’s revealed, right?

Let’s also assume that the Zodiacs were trying to reveal their secret identities in almost everything they did.

It then follows that whatever “The Zodiac” said the most would contain the most significant information.

When a writer or fictional character says the same thing over and over, we come to refer to it as his signature phrase.

For example, Sherlock Holmes was known to say, “Elementary, my dear Watson!”

Except in this case, the signature phrase would actually contain the Zodiac signature, telling us who the trigger man was in real life.

So what was the Zodiac signature phrase?

If you ask Zodiac hobbyists, they’ll be happy to tell you:

This is the Zodiac speaking.

After all, the killer says “This is the Zodiac speaking” eleven times:

1. The “This Is The Zodiac Speaking” Letter (August 4, 1969)
2. The School Bus Threat Letter (October 13,1969)
3. The Oakland PD Phone Call (October 22, 1969)
4. The Pen Card (November 8, 1969)
5. The Bus Bomb Diagram Letter (November 9, 1969)
6. The Dear Melvin Letter (December 20, 1969)
7. The 13-Character Cipher Letter (April 20, 1970)
8. The Mt. Diablo Letter (June 26, 1970)
9. The Kidnapping Confirmation Letter (July 24, 1970)
10. The Mikado Letter (July 26, 1970)
11. The LA Times Letter (March 15, 1971)

That’s a lot.

But he says something else more often. He says “Please Rush To Editor” at least 14 times on letter envelopes. Let’s count:

1. Cryptogram 1 (Vallejo Times-Herald) 7/31/69—twice
2. Cryptogram 2 (SF Examiner) 7/31/69—twice
3. Cryptogram 3 (SF Chronicle) 7/31/69—twice
4. School Bus Threat 10/13/69—twice
5. Pen Card 11/8/69—twice
6. Bus Bomb Diagram 11/9/69—twice
7. LA Times 3/15/71—once
8. The Exorcist 1/29/74—once

That’s 14 times the phrase “Please Rush To Editor” is used, total.

He may also have used the phrase on the “This Is The Zodiac Speaking” letter envelope of August 4, 1969, but no photos of that envelope have been published to date.

In any case, it’s fair to say that “Please Rush To Editor” is really the Zodiac signature phrase, the phrase “The Zodiac” uses most, and NOT “This is the Zodiac speaking.”

Since we know that the Zodiacs pack their every utterance with information, we can be sure that “Please Rush To Editor” is perhaps the most significant Zodiac statement of all.

It’s also important to remember that, at least in the first six letters sent as “The Zodiac,” and possibly in the first seven (since we don’t have the August 4, 1969 letter envelope to look at), “The Zodiac” said “Please Rush To Editor” not once, but twice, once on each envelope’s front, and once on each envelope’s back. In other words, the Zodiac signature phrase was really

Please Rush To Editor
Please Rush To Editor

If you wanted to impart the most significant identifying information about yourself that you possibly could, what would it be?

I’ve mentioned that “The Zodiac” harps on his DOB (January 22, 1943), but there are still lots of people that that would include.

What about DNA? Even if you had “The Zodiac”’s latent DNA and someone to compare it to, that still wouldn’t narrow it down to one person, because the suspect could have an identical twin, who would have the same DNA.

So if the DOB doesn’t do it, and DNA doesn’t do it, there’s only one piece of information left that identifies

Ray Grant link

7/26/2017 05:58:55 am

SIGNATURE PHRASE 2

I’m saying in this book that Michael O’Hare was the trigger man of The Zodiac Project, and we know that his social security number is

117-32-2128

And, as we’ve just established, the Zodiac’s actual signature phrase is

Please Rush To Editor
Please Rush To Editor

So if the most significant identifying information would be in the Zodiac signature phrase, and if the most specific identifier would be his SSN, and O’Hare is the Zodiac trigger man, then this equation should be true:

Please Rush To Editor
Please Rush To Editor = 117-32-2128

The trigger man for The Zodiac Project uses the binary phrase PLEASE RUSH TO EDITOR/PLEASE RUSH TO EDITOR because it (almost) specifically identifies him as his SSN. To be slightly more precise, the transposition is as follows:

Please Rush To Editor
Please Rush To Editor = 11732 212 (8)

Let’s begin by using the simplest form of letter-to-number code, which is alphabet numbers (A = 1, B = 2, and so forth) to effect the conversion. PLEASE is 58 by alphabet numbers.

P L E A S E
16 + 12 + 5 + 1 + 19 + 5 = 58

And RUSH is 66 by alphabet numbers.

R U S H
18 + 21 + 19 + 8 = 66

PLEASE RUSH therefore gives us the number sequence 58-66.

58 66 TO EDITOR
58 66 TO EDITOR = 11732 212 (8)

But we are going to read 58-66 as one number, 5866.

5866 TO EDITOR
5866 TO EDITOR = 11732 212 (8)

Now, since the phrase is written twice, let’s multiply 5866 by two.

5866 TO EDITOR
+5866 TO EDITOR = 11732 212 (8)
11732 TO EDITOR = 11732 212 (8)

Are you with me so far?

When the alphabet number totals for PLEASE (58) and RUSH (66) are read as a single horizontal number, 5866, and then multiplied by two (because the phrase is stated twice on each of the first six mailings in the Bay Area, with the 8-4-69 envelope an unknown), the result is the first five digits of Michael O’Hare’s SSN.

So let’s continue, this time reading those last eight letters, TO EDITOR, as a single alphabet total:

T O E D I T O R
20 + 15 + 5 + 4 + 9 + 20 + 15 + 18 = 106

5866 TO EDITOR
+5866 TO EDITOR = 11732 212 (8)
11732 TO EDITOR = 11732 212 (8)

5866 106
+5866 +106 = 11732 212 (8)
11732 212 = 11732 212 (8)

11732 212 = 11732 212 (8)

Granted, PLEASE RUSH TO EDITOR, read this way, only gives you 8 digits of Michael O’Hare’s SSN. In that sense, the final number, 8, may be implied by the first eight.

11732 212 = 11732 212 (8)

In any case, 8 digits of a SSN narrows it down to ten people.

When we add it to other things we know about Michael O’Hare (that he strongly resembled the Zodiac WANTED poster in 1969, that he lived and worked in San Francisco during the murders, that his fingerprints aren’t on file anywhere, that he is the author of several bizarre artifacts that seem to connect him to the case, and that he refuses to defend himself against the charge of being the 20th century’s most notorious serial killer), I suspect that he would be the strongest Zodiac suspect among those ten people.

And, with all due respect to the cryptographers out there, I don’t think this reading is the result of a selection bias on my part.

Please Rush To Editor
Please Rush To Editor = 117-32-2128

11732 212 (8) = 117-32-2128

Richard

7/26/2017 06:02:47 am

Anybody can play around with numbers, as I have done many times before. It's not that difficult. You can twist and turn the alphabet in many sequences to create whatever preconceived goal you have. Look at the internet, it's full of them, including Gareth Penn, whose Times 17 and Radian Theory is full of holes. He may be an intelligent guy, but he, like many intelligent people are not happy with ordinary mundane answers to the Zodiac crimes, he wants to create this fantastical numbers game. There is no other way to put it, but the whole concept is truly ridiculous and mind boggling. Some of your work Ray is very good, as I have testified to in a couple of articles, and credit where credits due, but this numbers game inherited from Gareth Penn does not convince me at all. Creating numbers from names, ciphers etc, is the easiest trick in the book. If you don't believe me, I will link you to two articles I have written that argues a connection between the ciphers and cards using one specific gematric code based on religion. And another article links 13 crimes in 22 months, including all the Zodiac murders based on one calendar, without having to play around with binary. My point being, anybody with a reasonable level of education can do it. What Gareth Penn created is not difficult to do and like me, if he was being honest, he knows it's a deception. The same applies to your numbers game on the handguns, it really isn't that hard to recreate, and doesn't prove anything.

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 10:16:32 pm

In Game Show 'CatchPhrase' Host Roy Walker would advise contestants to simply: "Say what You see."

In this Cipher strewn Unsolved Case of clue after clue by the offender Himself it's more a case of: "Say what You (want to) see."

I was playing around with Z's My Name Is.... and His three circled 8's. I wondered if this was the simplest and most basic form of substitution cipher where 1 = A, 2 = B, 3 = C and so on which translates 8 8 8 as eighth, Sixteenth & Twenty-fourth letters of English Aplhabet of H, P and X.

When one does this a cipher decoded message can now be unscrambled and rearranged to form: NAME XEN ANT

Richard

7/26/2017 06:14:24 am

Oh, and by the way Bryan Hartnell got stabbed 6 times, not 7. So you can chuck the 37 theory away. If you don't believe me, you can listen to him stating 6 on the 2007 documentary. He should know, he's lived with the wounds for nearly 50 years.

Richard

7/26/2017 06:31:04 am

https://youtu.be/HI0jnsbZwys?t=48m56s

Alex Lewis

7/29/2017 04:21:54 pm

Ray I have no vested interest nor bias for the number of times Bryan was stabbed if, as it appears is the case here, the Number itself be contested but I shall, however, point out that Bryan does say in the 07 Documentary quote: "He (Zodiac) stabbed me I think six times..."

Bryan Himself appears unsure of the actual number of times He was stabbed evidenced by His introducing of the term "I think' before stating the number of times Z stabbed Him.

Since Bryan survived the attack there will be no Autopsy report quite obviously so You'd probably need access to or a copy of His medical records. Police report if it gives a number of actual penetrative wounds I wouldn't trust for it's accuracy as far as I could throw it based on the inaccuracies and errors I have seen in other P. Rpt's in this case.

Ray Grant link

7/26/2017 10:08:47 am

“Anybody can play around with numbers, as I have done many times before. It's not that difficult.”

This means you’re throwing out ANY cryptographic interpretation of ANY of the cipher material, because I’ll just come back with your own words and say, “Anybody can play around with numbers [or letters], as I have done many times before. It's not that difficult.” So the ciphers, which are what separate the Zodiac case from all others, are no longer to be considered?

And if you want to point to the “solution” to Z408 (I LIKE KILLING PEOPLE), I’ll just point out that that result tells us absolutely nothing about the writer/killer, so “solving” it was a dead end.

“You can twist and turn the alphabet in many sequences to create whatever preconceived goal you have.”

Granted, you CAN twist and turn the alphabet in many sequences, but that’s not what I’ve done here.

1. Why did the letter writer say PLEASE RUSH TO EDITOR not once, but TWICE, on each of the first six Bay Area letters he sent (given that we don’t have the August 4, 1969 letter envelope to look at)? He said it once on the envelope front, and once on the envelope back. Does that not seem like a red flag of some sort, particilarly coming from someone who sends ciphers and was the author of what Gareth Penn described as Delphic utterances (the car door graffito, for example)?

2. Why is PLEASE RUSH TO EDITOR the phrase he used most often, more times than he said, THIS IS THE ZODIAC SPEAKING?

3. After that, the conversion I suggest is straightforward, the simplest possible letter-to-number transposition system being A = 1, B = 2, and so forth.

Yes, I could for example interpret PLEASE (58) and RUSH (66) as separate quantities, double them, and then do the same with TO (35) and EDITOR (71).

PLEASE (58) RUSH (66) TO (35) EDITOR (71)
PLEASE (58) RUSH (66) TO (35) EDITOR (71)
116 132 70 142

And granted, that wouldn’t fit the O’Hare SSN. That would get us a sequence of 116-132-70-142, or a SSN of 116-13-2701, with -42 left over).

However, as Bently/Wrench pointed out about the pi/ZODIAC correlation on Morf’s private board back in 2010, there are only a handful of letters that you can put to the numerical pi sequence, and CADOIZ makes sense within this context (since the writer also mentioned a pi derivative, radians, which are a circle divided by 2pi).

I would say the same thing about the PLEASE RUSH TO EDITOR phrase; if you’re going for a STRAIGHTFORWARD letter-to-number conversion, there are only a few ways to do it. And one of them gets us to the O’Hare SSN.

“Look at the internet, it's full of them, including Gareth Penn, whose Times 17 and Radian Theory is full of holes.”

How many times have I explained, patiently, that Gareth Penn is DELIBERATELY putting out interpretations he knows are transparently flawed? And if you don’t think he’s doing that, how do you explain his identification of BM9 in downtown Boston as located in the Greyhound Bus Station? See Chapter 14: Gareth Penn, the “Benchmark 9” section.

Gareth Penn has multiple esoteric degrees from Cal-Berkeley, and even on the Cal-Berkeley campus was considered an exceptionally bright student. Do you really think Penn is unaware that his manipulations of preposterously short strings are statistically invalid? Do you really think you’re smarter than he is? I don’t think I’m smarter than Gareth Penn, and I suspect I’d beat Richard Grinell on any standard intelligence test.

Do you watch pro wrestling on TV and assume that everyone performing on them is an idiot, or do you see through the shenanigans and realize you’re watching a scripted show with fake fights? Why didn’t Penn sue O’Hare immediately after the Washington Monthly op-ed piece? A man he’d accused for almost three decades had just given him a golden opportunity to prove his life’s work was true, and Penn passed on the chance.

Alex Lewis

7/29/2017 07:36:40 pm

Before I state this I wish to 'State the Obvious' in saying it's just My Own Opinion but. . .

Is 'Please Rush to Editor' a stand out demand issued by the Writer or a clue of some sorts? Maybe, but it is and always has been to me anyway, an demand issued by a man who's ego announces 'This is the Zodiac Speaking. . .' as though this in His mind gives precedence to, and immediate priority over, any lesser non important people and their letters to the Editor.

'Please Rush to Editor' could simply be what it seems to be at face value, a arrogant self appointed importance that elevates anything He says, does, demands or threatens above any other letter addressed to the editor. 'Pls rush to Editor.... For This is Zodiac Speaking...." It is the declaration of a writer who must be given priority because in His mind, nobody can have anything to say as important as He! Now immediately deliver 'His' letter personally to the desk of said Editor. "Dear Editor....I am the murderer of the two teenagers last Xmas & the girl on the 4th July....." which smacks of an undertone that screams "So what you think of that Mr Editor, understand now who it is that writes to You? Good, listen Up!!" yadda yadday yadda...."Now because I am such a power holing individual who will, as is evidenced, kill indiscriminately I insist that You, without delay or opposition, print My cipher on not just any page of your newspaper, but the front page!

Again, the letter writer is well aware that any decision to go to print on anything in any part of a newspaper is, at the days end, the decision and at sole discretion of, the papers Editor.

Alex Lewis

7/29/2017 07:49:02 pm

I would imagine if Zodiac decided He wished to engage with, to issue challenges for, the Governmental Powers He'd decide Himself too significantly important to engage Us Attorney Mr T. C. Lynch in favour of penning a letter addressed to "Please rush to President" then 'Dear Mr Nixon, This is the Zodiac Speaking. . .' said fully assuming that The US President would be aware who He was.

'I am the Wizard of ZO, the great and powerful!! The Great and Powerful Oz demands you pay no attn. to that man behind the curtain....The great ZO has spoken!!

Ray Grant link

7/26/2017 10:10:12 am

“He may be an intelligent guy, but he, like many intelligent people are not happy with ordinary mundane answers to the Zodiac crimes, he wants to create this fantastical numbers game. There is no other way to put it, but the whole concept is truly ridiculous and mind boggling.”

Again, this assumes that the Zodiac case is similar to ordinary mundane serial murder cases, and it isn’t. I’ve demonstrated in the first twelve chapters of my book, in the most basic evidentiary terms, that the killers were committing the crimes for reasons that weren’t ordinary or mundane. The first three victims were abducted and then their bodies placed on the landscape. Darlene Ferrin was, according to Michael Mageau, herded into the BRSP parking lot. The couple at Lake Berryessa were essentially abductees (accosted at gunpoint and hogtied) who were never taken to a secondary crime site. Paul Stine was an abductee for hire. Shelly Holmboe, Donna Lass, and Joan Webster were all abducted. The Zodiacs even used Kathleen Johns to demonstrate how easy it was to abduct someone without the person even being aware of the abduction.

As to the fantastical numbers game, the very existence of a You Tube video like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV5R3TBMWJg&t=196s

with 66,000 views, tells us the Zodiac case is unique. There are literally symposium seminars dedicated to the Zodiac ciphers, and I have to admit I don’t understand much of what David Oranchak is saying at that one. There are cryptographers and computer science people like Brax Sisco who literally have a framed copy of Z340 hanging on their living room walls. I suspect that, if you removed the ciphers from the Zodiac case, it would significantly lessen the level of interest in the case.

And oh, by the way, the name of your website is “ZodiacCiphers.com.” So much for the ordinary and mundane.

“Some of your work Ray is very good, as I have testified to in a couple of articles, and credit where credits due, but this numbers game inherited from Gareth Penn does not convince me at all.”

My work is better than very good; it’s the truth. And I hate to dispel your sense of skeptical self-importance, but I pointed out many of the flaws in Gareth Penn’s work before anyone else did, back in the first edition of my book in August 1990. So you’re more than a couple decades too late to be making this point.

“Creating numbers from names, ciphers etc, is the easiest trick in the book. If you don't believe me, I will link you to two articles I have written that argues a connection between the ciphers and cards using one specific gematric code based on religion. And another article links 13 crimes in 22 months, including all the Zodiac murders based on one calendar, without having to play around with binary. My point being, anybody with a reasonable level of education can do it.”

In other words, since you can create a deliberately bogus interpretation of the ciphers, that must mean that ANY interpretation of the ciphers or other Zodiac communications must be bogus. That doesn’t follow.

I pointed out to Dave Oranchak that if a specific interpretation isn’t the only one that can be made from a source text, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t intended. Galileo, for example, published anagrams of celestial discoveries he’d made, one of which was a verse in Latin, in order for him to later claim precedence while he arranged for proof. But, had Galileo passed away prior to revealing the meaning of the anagrams, no one could have claimed that the actual solution was the only possible interpretation. I suspect, for example, that both Z13 and Z32 were never intended to be solved by the public; the Zodiacs put them in letters to demonstrate that their project had been planned many years in advance and in great detail.

Alex Lewis

7/29/2017 11:25:57 pm

Ok let's use a boxing analogy and 'Granit' Grant v 'Grinder' Grinnell obey Welsh Ref's commands at all times so.... 'Break! Stop Boxing! Neutral Corner both of You until I give the command to 'BOX!'

Granit Grant I may deduct a point if You keep issuing illegal rabbit punches to back of Grinnells head. Right hands You keep throwing one after the other, but thrown without strength-and-a-basis, even when landing they have effect I can see.

"Again, this assumes that the Zodiac case is similar to ordinary mundane serial murder cases, and it isn’t." BREAK, STEP BACK & STOP BOXING.....Granit Grant, keep it clean and let's not throw Illegal left-hand statement said as if knowing this as fact, that of which You cannot know so that I would consider a reassessment then retract. 'BOX...'

"I’ve demonstrated in the first twelve chapters of my book, in the most basic evidentiary terms, that the killers were committing the crimes for reasons that weren’t ordinary or mundane." STOP BOXING, GRINNEL GO TO NEUTRAL CORNER! RAYMOND, I CAN'T LET YOU THROW LOW BLOWS LIKE THAT AND I WILL DISQUALIFY YOU IF YOU OCONTINUE TO HIT GRINNELL BELOW THE BELT 'FACTUAL STATEMENTS & DELIBERATE LOW BLOWS....BOX!

RICHARD I MAY HAVE TO PULL YOU OUT OF THE FIGHT IF I DON'T SEE YOU THROWING ANY OFFENCIVE PUNCHES...I CAN'T LET GRANIT GRANT BACK TYOU INTO THE ROPES AND KEEP LANDING RIGHTS AND LEFT WITHOUT REPLY, EVEN IF MANY SHOT ARE LANDING LOW! BOX...

"My work is better than very good; it’s the truth." STOP BOXING, I AM FOCED TO RAISE GRINNELLS ARM IN VICTORY RAYMOND AS THAT IS INSTANT DISQUALIFICATION TO PULL A TASER FROM YOUR TRUNKS AND KNOCK YOUR OPPONANT OUT WITH 50,000VLTS OPPOSED TO A RIGHT HOOK!

RAYMOND, YOU MUST STAY WITHIN THE QUEENSBURY RULES AND GET INTO THE RING & DECIDE YOU AREAT LIBERTY TO BEGIND ROUND 1 WITH A CATTLEPROD, BEFORE HANDCUFFING ASWEL AS BLINDFOLDING OPPONANT AND DOING ALI SHUFFLES ALL AROUND THE RING AS YOU ZAP YOUR BLIND AND DEFENCELESS CHALLENGER TO YOUR OWN STYLE OF BOXING OF THROWIN THE LEFT THEN RIGHT, FOLLOWED BY RULE BOOK OUT THE WINDOW & NUTTING THE REFEREE!

Ray Grant link

7/26/2017 10:11:27 am

“What Gareth Penn created is not difficult to do and like me, if he was being honest, he knows it's a deception.”

As I’ve said again and again and again, it’s transparent that he was being deliberately dishonest. No one could have ACCIDENTALLY misidentified a USGS benchmark in 1987, for the reasons I explain in that chapter section.

“The same applies to your numbers game on the handguns, it really isn't that hard to recreate, and doesn't prove anything.”

The gun numbers, which I came up with in 1986 in a letter to Gareth Penn of all people, explains why they used a different gun each time, which is a subject that was just brought up by Richard Grinell. I wondered the same thing myself, 31 years ago. If you were sending ciphers and other cryptographic material to the newspapers, why not use the gun numbers as a code? As you said, otherwise it doesn’t make sense to use a different gun each time, when you were trying so hard to link the murders.

“Oh, and by the way Bryan Hartnell got stabbed 6 times, not 7. So you can chuck the 37 theory away. If you don't believe me, you can listen to him stating 6 on the 2007 documentary. He should know, he's lived with the wounds for nearly 50 years.”

https://youtu.be/HI0jnsbZwys?t=48m56s

Bryan Hartnell says, in the very video you cite, “He stabbed me I THINK six times.”

Bryan Hartnell, by his own admission, doesn’t know how many times he was stabbed. All the wounds were to his back. When’s the last time you took a good look at your own back? Plus Hartnell was heavily sedated in the days after the attack, per the police reports and the newspaper accounts. And saying he’s lived with the wounds for nearly 50 years is a little silly, isn’t it? Are you saying they didn’t heal at some point?

The hospital spokesperson, perhaps a doctor or nurse, said the couple was stabbed 10 times (Bryan) and 7 times (Cecelia). That’s what the first article on the attack in the Napa Sentinel on Monday, September 29, 1969 printed. Now granted, they got the numbers backward, since Bryan was stabbed 7 times and Cecelia 10 (per her autopsy).

But the total was still 17. I’ll believe a hospital spokesperson over a groggy victim with stab wounds he can’t look at.

So you can shove the 6 times up your arse. If you need any help doing that, let me know.

I tried to stop the shipment of books to your house, but Amazon tells me it’s already gone out and they can’t recall it. The expected delivery date is Thursday, August 3. I suggest you write REFUSED in big letters on the package and drop it in one of those red postal pillar boxes you have over there. If I get the books back, I’m sure I can gift them to someone who wants them, maybe Andrew.

I will remove your name from my books and block your email address, and this is the last time I’ll click on your website.

Drew

7/26/2017 10:30:49 pm

I think that would be a shame Ray. Richard is one of the few people on the planet that can give you a good fight.

You should read his stuff about 888. He downplays his own theory because there are a million ways to interpret this stuff, and it is pretty far out like yours, but I agree that this is certainly not an ordinary case and the answers may indeed be weird.

I'm enjoying your books by the way! I started with Zodiac for Smart People who are Busy even though I'm not all that... anyway it has a lot of good observations and facts and it has provoked many ideas for me. Thanks again for that.

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 10:33:29 pm

Drew is that Seriously the title of one of the books, or are u taking the piss? ' Zodiac for Smart People'?

That's very innovative of a titled selected because it is clearly implying if, after reading, You are not convinced nor endorse the Authors views and/or conclusions then, then you are f'ing dumb and stupid. Agree and Your one of the smart peeee-pole's.

Very good Raymondo.

"So it's sorta social. Demented and Sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.

Richard

7/26/2017 02:08:08 pm

All because I don't agree with you.

Alex Lewis

7/29/2017 04:08:24 pm

Thank You Rich, Appreciate your removing that. Speak to You soon Mate.

Alex Lewis

7/30/2017 03:45:59 am

What I disagree with quite strongly on a serious note is the making of statements that directly claim, or even indirectly imply, that the motive, reason & exceptional homicides were not carried out by your average 'Mundane' run of the mill series of Serial Homicides by a Serial Killer, and that they, Not He or Him singular, but them as a collective terms or group thereof killers were carrying out these attacks and their motive for doing so is knowledge granted to Mr Grant and Nobody else without exception!

Ray, come on now... Really? I know that You are not oblivious nor unaware of what it is You are not only suggesting that We accept, but Your consciously rather than sub-consciously requesting that I accept the idea and/or presumed truth of You having a been awarded a personal knowledge denied to The Those who Officially investigated The Case aswel as a knowledge that remains elusive today to both Myself and every other Amateur Zodiac Investigating Sleuth I know personally or of.

I just think Ray that if there is a sure fire way of discrediting what it is that you may say on public forums, declaring You know the Killers, not 'His' motives but 'Theirs' because your work distinguishes itself from the rest because it's above 'Good' and is actually 'All Correct & True.'

Ray.... If I didn't think You and your intelligence with which you approach this case was of an obviously better than most level then I would let you off with the transgression. But You, Raymond, You know better My good Sir!

Alex Lewis

7/30/2017 04:08:00 am

Look at it this way Ray, how would you respond to Me if I came here declaring:

Mr Grant, Sir. I regret to inform you that everything that You believe and or claim is absolutely, categorically and Overwhelmingly Wrong, incorrect, completely inaccurate and You and your research is the result of the most misinformed Faff found within Your so-called 'Zodiac Amateur Community!'

Do forgive Me for sounding egocentric but this is only because I am but I regret to have to inform you that You, Sir, are wrong. Reason? A) Because I just said so and B) I'm afraid One doesn't a B on account of A being more than superbly right & endorsed by the Divine because let us move on.... end of this particular discussion!

Furthermore! I think Your under a gross, yes gross... misapprehension because Lawrence Klein, Alias Kaye/Kane and Cane, was, is, and continues to be the F&$$W^£ Zodiac killer because I know that of which You and all other less intellectually superior Peee-pole are gifted enough, unlike Myself clearly & We all do agree upon that, to possess the knowledge to know this!

End of story, not listening. Thank You for your agreeing and admitting I am right and You are not, Good day Sir!"

I would fully expect you to dismiss Me and what it is I just stated and any future Claims I make as those of the Delusional Welsh Idiotic dunce & His obvious Planet sized Ego! If You didn't Ray, then I would seriously wonder why not?

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 08:32:18 pm

"All because I don't agree with you."

Rich You should know by now this Amateur Zodiac 'Community' is full of Ego's who all 'Know' they have solved this case and don't You dare suggest otherwise. I see a most immature personality at play if stanping off the feet, throwing of the toys and declarations of 'NOT FAIR' issued by someone who's theory....because that's what You have Ray just like everyone else's personal opinion & Your theory, as Mine would be, is no more 'Fact' or 'Truth' and certified the correct one than the 20 other theory holding individuals that are easy to point out.

Ray, whether You read this or not, it's the most basic of Logic to understand and accept that a theory is not deemed more likely or most obviously the one to be 100% accurate and true based on 'Because it's Me that has developed, moulded and now presented it.'

"The Cold hard Facts of The Zodiac Case. . . . . In theory by R. Grant-A-Wish.

Seriously Ray. . . Behave Yourself!

Drew

7/30/2017 08:41:58 am

You commentate a bloody good match chappie! This thread needed a laugh too.

I've read a lot of the stuff you have uncovered (with help from Hines of course) about Kevin Kline, aka Danny Kaye, aka Billy Zane. I am also aware of your interest in Xen.

Kane seems a decent Z to me, especially for the later non-canonical victims, but he's older than Zodiac "should" be. Xen of course seems too clean, but then again there is the reasonable theory that Zodiac's confidence suggests that he may not have had a criminal record.

Do you currently feel either are actually good suspects or do they remain just interesting? Are there others on your little list?

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 09:34:49 am

Hey Drew.

Kane for me is still a Strong suspect until evidence, conclusive and physical, proves He cannot, could not and therefore did not participate in these series of Homicides.

You also say: "Xen of course seems too clean, but then again there is the reasonable theory that Zodiac's confidence suggests that he may not have had a criminal record."

FBI Behavioural Science Criminal Profiler who not only uses the profiling method, but teaches it to would be Agents, agreed to look at this case and went to all Four scenes etc and came up with a rather shocking conclusion and profile that was contrary to what John Douglas had stated in His own profiling effort.

I forget His full name now, but I know His Surname is Walter so I shall simply refer to Him as Walter.... He said that the overall reason that this killer has not ever been apprehended, in His opinion, was because investigators have been looking for the wrong type of man/suspect. Walter stated this man will not be your average nobody who is killing to feel important, but rather this man is a man who will have power, he will be successful and socially high standing and it's because He has be given this limited amount of power, He now wants more and the Ultimate power over life and death. Searching for Mr Nobody is why Law Enforcement have failed to detect Him because, in His words, "They are looking in all the wrong places for this Individual."

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 09:44:55 am

And when You look at Zodiac at face value, then He clearly broke every 'Do and Do Not' rule in the 'Serial Killer Apprehension Manuel for Law Enforcement"

Rule 1 - Establish Killers MO, it will be unchanging. (Exception to Rule: San Francisco Zodiac)

2 - Will be, in 9 out of 10 cases, A WMA in His early to mid 20's, possibly late 20's to early 30's (exception to Rule: WMA aged 35 - 45 known as San Francisco Zodiac.)

I could honestly list 5 or 6 others off hand but I will assume you get the gist...

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 09:01:11 pm

"Kane seems a decent Z to me, especially for the later non-canonical victims"

Well when I first wrote the Kane Page I think I was much closer then to a belief that Kane is and was Zodiac than I am today. Now people no doubt will want to suggest I no longer support nor stand by My Kane for Zodiac claim. This isn't what I am saying at all, I never wrote 'Lawrence Kane - Zodiac Killer' with a deliberate intension to suggest I am saying 'Kane is Zodiac, here's why, I fully and without exception believe this to be true, please read then convert to My Religion of 'Kaneanity'.

Now My stance on the Kane Article and overall in general as A Suspect is that He, for Me, still stands head and shoulders above Suspects such as Allen, all but ruled out via Science, Gaik, a suspect named by a compulsive liar and, as Narlow described Blain, 'A Kook' citing 'Mould-Sniffer has physical evidence to support His claim, including a photograph that depicts the Man!"

No, I swear, this is what the narrator of Mystery-Quest, San Fran Slaughter' stated was considered not just any old Evidence, but PHYSICAL Evidence!

Alex of Wales says Lawrence Kane is The Zodiac. He has physical evidence to support His claim, this Ouija Board that spells 'LORRY KAME IS QUILTY! HE HIS THE SAN KODIAC REFILLER!!" Planchette movith! "THEY FLOAT DOWN HERE!!!. ..... GOOOOOD-BYYEEEEE"

What more do you want for goodness sake! If that don't convince you beyond all doubt I am fantastically spot on and correct, nothing ever will!

"Toschi.... Hold up Sir, I wish to present you my Solid evidence of factual Ouija Bull shit....."

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 09:08:54 pm

Not motivated enough to believe Me! Allow Me to present Motivational Speaker and Guru......Peter Popoff!

It's time to get motivated and Popoff!

https://youtu.be/S_Kh46ayGl0

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 09:54:12 am

The whole issue of the Taxi cab print and Non Match to Xenophon. . . Putting aside Zodiac's own seemingly shaking with fear anxiety at the announcement by SFPD they had "His Print in blood left at the scene/cab" that being one of: Police shall never catch me because I have been too clever for them." which is the assertion of a man clearly S****ng Himself at His imminent capture. He specifically brushes off the print 'evidence' by suggesting: "As of yet I have left No fingerprints behind contrary to what the Police say...." Then "If you wonder why I was wiping down the cab I was leaving fake clews for the police to run all over town with. I enjoy needling the blue pigs..."

Yes, He sounds like A Man absolutely panic stricken at His print being left and a match discovered, doesn't He?

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 10:01:43 am

Me, I'd be more concerned as to which method I shall be leaving the State then Country By if I learned I had left a accidental genuine fingerprint behind at a homicide scene. I certainly can't see me engaging Law Enforcement on the Pages of the Chronicle to brush aside all silly talk of my own capture. . . unless I knew something they didn't obviously.

Z's responds with a sigh of exasperation "..... Like I have always said, I am Crack Proof! If The police are ever going to catch me they best get off their fat asses and do something!"

Drew

8/5/2017 11:04:39 am

Keen insights as usual Alex. I was unaware that Xen's prints had been compared without a match. Was that back in the day or provoked by your inquiries? By the way, I commend you and all of the other committed researchers who make this considerable effort. My halfarsed research is entirely dependant on the work of others!

I read something interesting you may know about. I didn't hear this from the source and maybe LE has stated this as well, but researcher Jake Wark, who evidently has seen the bloody partial, evaluated that there was enough of an imprint to dismiss the idea of airplane glue, which I have to admit disappointed me a little as there is a part of me that wants to believe in a super-villain. I still don't know why he wasn't wearing gloves (Zodiac I mean, not Jake). Oh wait, never mind, Graysmith said he was wearing gloves so the print must have belonged to someone else.

I still haven't decided what kind of social status this guy has (yeah I think he's still alive go ahead and razz me about it) but I think if Zodiac was a man of high standing the whole case is screwed.

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 04:37:27 pm

Well here is the print statistics: Subject Fingerprints compared to Un-Sub Print: No match fou...." OBJECTION! Which print? There are several!

And could You confirm please Law Agencies that the several prints you have lifted and have on file as 'UN-SUB' in Z case have been compared against each other and found to have all come from the same astrological hand? Hello? Helllo!"

Nope, they either can't, won't or choose not to answer this very reasonable and crucial evidentiary question! Moving on...

DNA (Partial) profile discovered, lifted and copied successfully from affixed sealed stamp on the envelope of Z's "I am the murderer of the Taxi driver..... To prove this here is a blood stained piece of His Shirt" Letter.

Wohoo! Brilliant! Fantastic and what a Result for Investigators! ... Well? We are waiting? What u mean what for? For the other letters and stamps you've tested that reason and logic say should also have DNA sealed behind the protection of the covering stamp.....Do all these DNA Lifts match or come back to one single individual? Excuse Me...where are you going I am talking to you!!

SFPD answer every media question with: 'Due to this case being an on-going active investigation I cannot comment on specifics...." which is a lovely way of them saying "We either don't wanna tell you the answer to that because We have no f*&£!(%" clue ourselves TBH. Next question??"

The Dpt. Chief then scans press conference and reporters with eyes before.... "Errrrrrr! Ah Yes, Duffy Jennings there for the Chronicle! What's your question I can try My best to avoid having to answer please?"

Alex the Great (Idiot)

8/5/2017 04:56:27 pm

"I still haven't decided what kind of social status this guy has."

This is quite normal Drew. As I tell all the others with similar indecisive mind-set just take your time, think about it, and when Your ready with your answer just raise your hand and I will get round to You ASAP with "Yes, Draw....Have you an answer? Sure? Final Answer? At Social Higher up pewsun of proper portance Drew. . . . Deal, or No Deal?

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 05:26:33 pm

On a serious note Drew:

The Zodiac's Social Stance on the pyramid of Portance? I don't kno but I have had this lingering annoying thought that persists that says Don Fouke didn't speed past after observing and deducing 'Oh...A White Man and, well white men can't shoot cabbies.... step on the gas and let us find ourselves a Black Man Responsible" Bull shit which I have always thought sums up the Racially Biased White Law Enforcer of that time and era which to Me is just an absolute insult on SFPD's part because I whole-heartedly believe there was no mix-up or erroneous descriptive broadcast at all.

I truly wonder whether Don saw White Male and either knew by mere sight that HHe was 'So-an-So the Crime Labs Chief Forensic Investgator (for example only) or, if He didn't know by simply looking at Him, then He stopped and ID'd Him and discovered after running the Name the dispatcher resonse: "Mr I. Dunno...residential address of 3712 somewhere or other streets....Records indicate He is a Ninth Circuit Court Judge on the shortlist picked to soon be on the US Supreme Court Bench,,,,"

"There's Your ID Judge Zodiac and please accept My apologies for stopping you."

In short, I don't believe the 'Incorrect BMA Broadcast' which appears in no reporting nor statements anywhere and isn't even whispered. Then! Oh Dear. . . A certain Letter writer announces 'PS - 2 cops pulled a goof' and describes how He threw Himself in front of the Prowl Vehicle driven by Officer Fouke-off & out the way! Once Z decides to illuminate what they want kept in the dark well then and only then do we hear what I believe is essentially a cover story for their sheer incompetence, incompetence Z has just demanded ;'MUST PRINT THIS PART IN PAPER!'

Ehhhh, shitee, what do we say now....Prick! He didn't have to expose our late night encounter which features a set of concrete feckin steps, pathway and House! What the feck shall we do now Zodiac has dropped this bombshell on us that basta......AAH-HA! Blame the kid who called in the crime! Yeahh yeah just say the dispatcher who nobody has ever been able to find answered and got a caller shouting 'BLACK MALE, FIVE TEN,,,,BLACK MALE, FIVE TEN" at least 25 times in a row!

They shift responsibility onto Lyndsey and/or Rebecca, whichever of them actually rang and spoke to Police Dispatch which is disgraceful in my opinion. The kid that wants to get help for Paul the victim??? Blame Becca and say she gave Black Male subject description so We can dodge taking responsibility for the Departments own Fouke up!

Drew

8/5/2017 05:42:04 pm

"Subject Fingerprints compared to Un-Sub Print: No match fou...." OBJECTION! Which print? There are several!"

Why would you assume that they did not perform all of the tests available? Corruption or incompetence? When was the comparison done? I don't think you addressed that. Was it decades ago?

I certainly don't discount the idea of a conspiracy, but I am not quite there yet. The Fouke situation is suggestive though I'll give you that.

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 05:42:53 pm

In My Theoretical World at least, Fouke let the WMA walk away not because of His Race or Ethnicity but, alternatively and more realistically, because of who He was! Whether that mean Fouke was inferior in terms of Rank to this other White guy which certainly explains Don's not detaining or arresting of this individual, You are trained to take orders from The Superior/Higher Rank....not arrest them for execution style shooting Homicides!

"Freeze! I suspect you may have just murdered that cab driver and as such....I'm arresting you on suspicion of Murder! You have the right to remain silent, but anything you say can and will be used against You in a Court of Law. Do You understand Your rights Insp. Toschi?"

Unthinkable!

Alex Lewis

8/5/2017 04:48:48 pm

For Me, without any bias at all, to rule any suspect out based on a print found that is suspected or believed to have come from the Zodiac's hand but there's nothing to prove this is actually even relevant let alone His Fingerprint?? Bravo!

Let's also begin eliminating subjects that do not have lovely little crew cut's because after all, we KNOW Z has one and as the sayin goes...."

Once a crew cut, always a crew cut...."

He who is suspicious in mind and wishes to enquire.... "Did You just make that up Alex??" Need to consider the penalty for Contempt of SFPD Act of 2019! Max sentence - Eighty six thousand four hundred and thirty three years in pwissson.....Wiv-houuut Pawoole! Nw Patrolman Fouke off said Fouke off at once!

That above. . . All factually true!

Alex Lewis OBE, MBE, CBE and P hD

8/5/2017 06:03:10 pm

In response to Drew's exceptionally kind remark:

"By the way, I commend you and all of the other committed researchers who make this considerable effort"

Thank You. And btw... "My halfarsed research is entirely dependant on the work of others!"

Never underestimate how helpful other peoples research can be to your own. I, to this day, will not ttake credit for securing the release of Kane's arrest record without stating I owe that fete to Sandy Betts who helped Me in that process by offering up an Official FBI No. for Lawrence which I had not got or knew of prior to Her sending me the document.

The first two FOIA's failed because I asked for the arrest records of Lawrence Kane, then Lawrence Klein, both of which got the standard: 'A search of the FBI's central Computer System shows no responsive material as per your request...' or words of that nature. And I never ever would have filed a successful FOIA using subjects name and DOB only because it was not known to anybody at all that He, Lawrence, had legally taken the name 'KAYE' and abandoning His Birth and Family Identity 'KLEIN'. Adding the FBI No. associated a number with/to individual and 'Taaa-Da! Match Found!'

As the saying suggests Drew, You must learn to walk before you can run. In other words, if familiarising yourself with this case based on posts, threads, reports and documents posted by others was not available nor an option for any of us.....None of us would be here know what we now know.

Drew

8/5/2017 08:12:38 pm

Sandy has done great stuff on the case. Her suspect sounds like a real creep.

Just curious, did Kane happen to reside around Sacramento in April of 1986?

Richard

8/6/2017 02:46:59 am

The thing that has always puzzled me Alex, is that the dispatcher took the description from the kids-If this was relayed as a black male adult, 5'10", reddish-brown crew cut, wearing glasses, and dark clothing, didn't this description raise alarm bells with either Pelissetti or Fouke. How many African-American males had reddish-brown crew cuts in 1969. But let this pass for a moment. Donald Fouke passes a man 5'10", with a crew cut, wearing glasses and dark clothing, but his colour is incorrect. Surely with at least four matching descriptors, you still have your suspicion aroused. That is another reason why I believe it was and Fouke stopped the suspect.

Tinkerbell

9/3/2017 08:27:07 am

"How many African-American males had reddish-brown crew cuts in 1969."

Haven't been to San Francisco in the last half-century, dahlings?

Richard

9/3/2017 08:34:16 am

Made the exact point here Tinkerbell
http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/black-male-adult

Samantha E Lee

3/28/2018 01:32:43 pm

Richard, I have a some documentation I would like to share with you privately. I have been communicating with investigators, detectives, authors, Code breakers at University of Southern California along with the FBI. I have also been communicating with an author and would like to share something with you. I don't want to publish it yet but I would like to share it with you first. Please contact me at my private email. You will truly appreciate what I have to show you

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