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THE JACKSON STREET KILLER

12/8/2015

 
Armond Pelissetti stated in the 2007 Zodiac documentary about the murder of Paul Stine "It seemed Officer Fouke in that amount of time felt that he had stopped the Zodiac. Well it's very hard to say whether he did or not, it would be a point of conjecture at this point, and he seemed quite upset. Fouke was also very clear as to what the person was wearing, well it just so happens that area is extremely well lit and I cannot imagine him not seeing the shine of blood on the clothing if it had been Zodiac".  There is much debate on whether Officer Donald Fouke stopped the Zodiac or not, but either way, he seemingly got a good view of the unidentified white male, describing the suspect in great detail, right down to his tan- engineering boots and elasticated cuffs. Armond Pelissetti stressed that the area was well lit in 1969 - and Officer Donald Fouke was certainly able to give a detailed description of the suspect's clothes, so why was he unable to notice any blood? This is often used, as Pelissetti inferred, to promote the idea that the unknown white male was not the Zodiac Killer. If we believe the credibility of the three teenagers and Officer Donald Fouke, then this white male walking along Jackson Street was, with near certainty, the Zodiac Killer.   
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We know for certain that the man described by the three teenagers in the composite sketch, was the man observed in and around Paul Stine's taxicab. He then proceeded up Cherry Street in the direction of Jackson Street. Donald Fouke passed the white male and described the suspect as 35-45 years, about 5'10", 180-200 lbs, medium to heavy build, barrel chested, medium complexion, light colored hair, crew cut and wearing glasses.

Officer Donald Fouke also stated in the 2007 documentary, that  "One month later when the composite drawing came out at Richmond Station and was posted on the wall, it looked similar to the man that I had seen on October 11th. I then wrote a scratch, err, interdepartmental memorandum to my lieutenant to forward to homicide division so that they would have the additional information about the appearance of the suspect".  He went on to say "It is purported in Zodiac Unmasked that I tearfully told Inspector Toschi - You know Dave we could have been killed that night, I never spoke to Toschi that I personally know of or remember, he may have been the inspector who came out and asked me about the composite drawing and I told him the suspect was older and heavier, beyond that I had no further contact with the investigation".

Officer Donald Fouke's description of the Zodiac Killer was very similar to the three teenagers, so much so, that his only deviation from the three teenagers, was that the suspect was likely "older and heavier". The rest was pretty much in tandem. What we can take from this, is that Donald Fouke is pretty much in agreement that the unknown white male he saw, is the same man observed by the three teenagers at the intersection of Washington and Cherry - particularly from a facial standpoint - because he did not disagree with the composite drawn from the recollection of the teenagers. Therefore, the notion of the man walking down Jackson Street not being the Zodiac Killer, can effectively be ruled out. In addition, the timeline of "about 3 minutes" from Zodiac leaving the taxicab and Donald Fouke reaching the intersection of Jackson and Maple from his position when receiving the initial dispatch, is on a collision course for this intersection.      

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It is fairly certain that the three teenagers and Donald Fouke saw the same man, and the assertion by Armond Pelissetti of it not being Zodiac was a misguided one - as was the claim that Donald Fouke would have noticed the "shine of blood".  If Officer Donald Fouke was able to give great detail about the man's clothing, he almost certainly would have seen blood on the man, if there was any.

Officer Donald Fouke stated in the 2007 documentary that the man walking on Jackson Street was "dressed in a three quarter waist length jacket, with elastic at the waist".  Armond Pelissetti said this area was well lit (and it was). So, if Officer Donald Fouke saw enough detail to describe the "elastic at the waist", one would like to think he would also have seen the shine of blood on the clothing. The three teenagers in the police report, stated "the suspect was in the front seat of the Yellow cab, mid to passenger side, with the victim slumped over his lap.". If this observation was accurate, then Officer Donald Fouke could not have failed to see blood all over the Zodiac's mid-section, as Paul Stine was bleeding profusely from a devastating head wound - yet he failed to do so.

Knowing this was the killer of Paul Stine, the only logical conclusion that can be drawn, is that the Zodiac Killer did not have Paul Stine resting over his lap. What killer, knowing he had just shot a man in the head and knowing he would be escaping on foot in a built up area, would then proceed to deliberately place the victim's head in his lap and effectively cover himself in copious quantities of blood. There may be a case for the Zodiac Killer being devoid of empathy, but he wasn't stupid. If his intention was not to get caught that night, then there is absolutely no way he placed the head of the victim in his lap - and there was no need to ever perform such an action. The three teenagers were observing from a raised vantage point, approximately 50-60 feet away, and in all likelihood, saw the Zodiac Killer leaning over the stricken taxicab driver and removing a piece of his shirt. Had Paul Stine slumped, or been pulled into the front passenger seat footwell, then the only blood the Zodiac Killer needed to get on himself, was on his hands, which could easily be wiped away with a handkerchief. The handkerchief seen by the three teenagers as the Zodiac Killer emerged from the taxicab that night.     

Greg H.
12/8/2015 12:20:14 pm

Here's a question that entered my mind while listening to the Gary Stewart posted just below.. Stewart says that the gloves were left in the backseat and were intentionally removed from his hands because of the killer's intent to tear pieces of Paul Stine's shirt. The gloves, he says, would interfere with his ability to grip the shirt and so they were discarded and forgotten about. This is not a bad theory. Secondly, do we know by what method the shirt was torn? Did Zodiac have a pair of scizzors with him to cut it? Honestly it can be somewhat difficult to tear swatches of shirt with your bare hands, especially in a high-pressure situation such as this. You bring up a good question concerning the lack of blood visible on the perp in view of the circumstances. Possibly he had an article of clothing above the waist length jacket that he took off in tossed in a trash can? Or if had Stine on his lap, the blood could have accumlated more along the front of his pants which he was then able to cover with the long jacket.

Alex
12/25/2015 09:41:41 am

Well I am starting to seriously consider if 'Zodiac' gave Himself this mane because He'd from another Planet, literally traversing Intrer-Galactic distances to 'do His thing' because the person we seek , should we create a written description of would be something like. . .

Name: Secret Pal Z
Age: Early Twenties - Late Forties
Sex: Probably not
Race: Black Caucasian Adult
Hair: Wavy brown, light blonde with a tinge of red and greying at rear.
Weight: Fat and overweight, bulky but in two week could be Thick set and beefy looking, barrel chested and prefers to shuffle all over the place rather than walk.
Other distinguishing Features: Big huge thick set man sporting protruding barrel chest and a manly pair of little girlie wurlie hands, upon which He proudly wears size 7 (very small) leather gloves which He loves wearing until such a time when He decides to murder people. For this He seems to prefer the very literal 'Hands On' approach.
Last Seen: Chatting to San Francisco's Patrol Officers about people running around The Upscale Richmond District like literal psychopathic lunatics running up & down sidewalks are up and waving a gun in the air.

Considered Armed an Extremely irritating, May have connections to Organized Crime and some concrete steps. If you see Him, please charge and tackle the fat overweight stocky man with little Lady hands until SFPD response Units are able to respond which, after the 911 operator hears the words 'HELP, ZODIAC KILLER, I WRESTLING ON GRUND SO DO......" Line will go dead and nobody will ever respond to your call once the word 'Zodiac' is heard as this vey name and word is considered Blaspheme.

Well, I now know and realize why this person was never caught.

Alex
12/25/2015 09:54:59 am

I mean it's comical, a man who seems to change colour at will, Black Male one minute, White Male the next. Then He adds a wonderful Blonde light brown and red tinted colour if His hair EXCEPT. . .at rear of head, then we have to ad grey to a the mix of hair colours for this man who has never learned to walk normally.

Well I think I now totally agree with Rick Marshall's on camera tribute to the unfortunate one when Marshall stated: "I feel sorry for the fella. I sure hope the poor guy doesn't look like me. . "

No No Rick, it's much worse than that!

NAN
8/2/2017 02:02:38 pm

Gloves would not impede ripping the shirt; in fact they may have aided if they were well fitted, or he may have used a knife.

Re: blood stains: Zodiac's jacket may have been reversible, as many were at the time.

Greg H.
12/8/2015 12:22:43 pm

Another idea: he put on the long jacket *after* the murder, which covered his bloody clothes.

Richard
12/8/2015 12:46:37 pm

I get the idea of him not being able to tear the shirt with gloves on, but let us say he shot Paul Stine, why would he take off the gloves before touching the rear door handle and deposit fingerprints and then deposit more opening the front door. It would make more sense to remove them just before the act of tearing the shirt and then putting them in your pocket. I believe the gloves were the fake clue he mentioned, after all they were a very small size 7 and Zodiac was described as stocky and 5'10".

Mike link
12/8/2015 09:30:17 pm

I'm also inclined to believe that the gloves were a "fake" clue.

Alex Lewis
12/24/2015 11:33:43 am

"I'm also inclined to believe that the gloves were a "fake" clue."

Well if this is what they were, a fake clue/planted false evidence and intentionally left by Him then He really isn't very good at this game of His because the Gloves He chooses to leave there are small size 7 leather gloves, which are too small for the huge majority of male's.
Maybe He's hoping we'll think He's a woman with a crew cut ad widows peak.

Richard
12/24/2015 12:23:34 pm

If I left gloves as fake clues I would obviously pick a size far removed from my size. The Zodiac was supposed to be a heavy set man and likely had large hands, so chose the extreme opposite.

Alex
12/25/2015 10:27:28 am

"If I left gloves as fake clues I would obviously pick a size far removed from my size. The Zodiac was supposed to be a heavy set man and likely had large hands, so chose the extreme opposite."

Right, that's it Richard, I am dialling the emergency Police Mods to respond here to this website, and they will do so with red lights and siren, and they'll get here very quickly.

I will not have someone oppose anything I say because: A) I am too important and someone once Introduced themselves on Zodiac Themed site declaring "Hello, my name is Alex, not the well known Alex that most people know.. . " You see, that's a reference to me that! RICH.... Did you hear that Richard, 'THE WELL KNOWN ALEX' I am now being called because I'm a 5 star, A-List quality package of completely humble and internationally Famous superstar.

Now Richard I will await your forthcoming apology that you don't know you are about to make and, upon your issuing it, I shall be kind enough to allow you to stay here on your web site. (Is not looking down to conceal the sarcasm clear on my grinning face.

But to take your point and respond to it serious Rich, yes, its a sensible and cunning thing to plant a pair of gloves a size not that of your own, but not to the point where they will instantly be believed upon sight to be obviously left by a female.

I mean I am Size 11 trainer/shoe and it may wish to leave fake clues in the for of size 12 and a half footprints but not 9 or 10 sizes too big so I look like a circus clown and they fall of my feet every step I try and take, :-(

Nan
8/2/2017 02:13:29 pm

Was there blood on the gloves?

Richard
8/2/2017 02:41:33 pm

Not as far as anybody knows. They were supposed to have been left by a female passenger according to Graysmith.

Richard
12/26/2015 02:38:24 am

"Now Richard I will await your forthcoming apology that you don't know you are about to make and, upon your issuing it, I shall be kind enough to allow you to stay here on your web site. (Is not looking down to conceal the sarcasm clear on my grinning face".

I apologize sincerely your honourable Welsh Chapiness for any dismissiveness of your aforementioned theory. In all seriousness I'd hate to have everyone agree with me, there would be nothing to talk about anymore and like to constantly revise my theories. Even if I disagree with somebodies idea, their theory can still trigger a fresh avenue of approach. By the way wasn't Arthur Leigh Allen supposed to have size 7 hands despite being a larger American Chappie.

Alex
1/1/2016 06:20:37 am

" In all seriousness I'd hate to have everyone agree with me, there would be nothing to talk about anymore."

Could hardly agree more Rich, I've learned a lot from the opinions and counter views held buy people who are asserting something contrary to what I have long held an opposing opinion on.

Again, I statement issued by Hitch has to be the flavour of the day here when He said: "If all were agreed, every person on Earth, on the truth or accuracy of a thing all except One person, it important, infact becomes of extreme importance that this one Heretic be Heard because what He has to say must have taken Him courage to publically state and might, just might, contain a grain or two of accuracy and truth.
Any time you silence a person or refuse to hear them speak you make yourself a prisoner to your own ignorance and deny yourself the chance to potentially learn and understand.

Alex
1/2/2016 01:16:10 am

"I apologize sincerely your honourable Welsh Chapiness for any dismissiveness of your aforementioned theory."

Well OK, but if it happens again I shall demand you Recuse yourself from presiding over this Site because it's actually A Criminal Offence to suggest that I have the capability to be wrong under the "prevention of questioning Welsh-Alex Act, 2015."

I don't make the Law's Rich, I simply follow them. . . Followed by attempting to enforce them in a mistaken belief that I can.

Na but serious Rich, I fear an exceptionally lengthy reply forthcoming which will immediately follow this one in new post below. I want you to read printed text below like a it's front page material. In this post is my lunacy....

Alex
1/2/2016 01:46:27 am

. . . I am the creator of the rant coming next. To Prove this, here is a blood boiling piece of my Mind:

No Rich, to begin by being serious though, I agree totally with your not wanting to have people agree with you all the time because I feel exactly the same and if, lets say, I myself got the same type of response to my theories as A Tom V does, that being, stupidly high number of people agree with whatever He posts because He's Tom V, Web-Master supremo & Z expert extraordinaire (Been on A Documentary to prove it), I personally would be seen on Here declaring "Richard I post theories intending to get true and honest feedback from other members objectively, and what do I get instead? A Welsh-Chap Fan Club response by members who agree with everything I say & do so without exception, determined to follow me around forums confirming I am correct again and correct then following this up by playing to my Planet Jupiter Sized Ego telling me they are often stunned at my brilliance it moves them to tears.

And Rich, truth is mate, I have said on other sites in years gone by and still maintain this attitude where by I welcome being challenged directly on an opinion I may have.
See Rich Tom Voigt operates on a mentality that seems to want to take any doubt and/or uncertainty of personal opinion or theory, and see and declare it as A weakness and damaging the credibility of the person. Thomas is all about how you remain to give the appearance of one's own self confidence in the certainty of your claim being true.

He calls self doubt/questioning one's own beliefs an admission of weakness, I call it an acceptance and acknowledgement that I am aware that I am more than capable of being completely wrong which will keep you honest and true to yourself and own opinions that I personally would counter this being signs of weakness and uncertainty but actually signs of a healthy self discipline. I therefore, don't get offended by anyone questioning a statement I make, theory I propose or a belief stated because before that person questions what I may have stated, I have likely questioned myself about it and done so in depth.

This self monitoring does help to ensure you do not go running off down a street signposted: "Going-Nowhere-Fast Street' and due to being oblivious an unwilling to even consider yourself possibile of being wrong, your look of shock is genuine and extremely gratifying because speaking for myself, because I don't have A deluded and false belief in my own fallibility due to excess ego, I do love the moment that a person who has no concept of themselves being wrong, being informed on camera that 'By the way, Tom.....Your on the record comments of an absolute certainty that Arthur Allen IS Zodiac and then give all the reasns why He has to be Zodiac from The Zodiac brand watch He wears to Ralph Spinelli's comments of Arthur Allen's admitting to him He is Z etc, All that Tom.....WRONG!!
Mr Allen has now had Numerous samples of His compared with Known Zodiac samples and we were issued the findings:
Handwriting comparison, Result: NEGATIVE, No match.
Finger & Palm prints comparison, Result: NEGATIVE, No match
DNA Found on sticky side of Stamp affixed to one of Zodiac's letters with The known DNA of One Arthur Leigh Allen, Result: NEGATIVE, No match and almost certainly eliminates ALA and I am confident would be wayyyyyy beyond any reasonable doubt that if He were charged and stood trial for Zodiac Crimes today, Word would come that the Jury are back and have reached a unanimous verdict after deliberating for Three, maybe Four minutes at most to find Art Allen Not Guilty on all counts and charges.

In fact, I am going to get a bag of popcorn, hit Play on the 'Hunting the Zodiac' Documentary and wait for that wonderful moment where Tom Void looks like He is literally about to burst into tears as He's looking like the incompetent, idiotic dunce that I have always said He was.
Oh and you may rest assured of one thing, let no doubt exists of the truth of this declaration when I declare that when He is given incontrovertible evidence and non-arguable proof that, for the second time now, He's WRONG and Gaikowski is proven to not be Zodiac then, I do swear by The Divine Right to ask the idiotic who it feels to be a proven Multi Award Winning Idiotic Pleb. Trust me Thomas on the day I get word of the proven innocence of Richie Gyke, Sorry I mean GAIK then I will be paying homage to Armond Pellissetti because I, fortunately, am very sarcastic and I'm responding to your Web Site, and I will do so with red lights & siren and I, I can absolutely assure you, I am going to get there very F****ng Quickly!!

Alex
1/2/2016 02:02:11 am

Now this is The Kind of Humour from My Name Sake, Alex Jones as He's in England protesting the Bilderberg Group Meeting by declaring in A Wonderful Put on British Accent: "Ladies and Gentlemen, Thank you.....thank you for all that you have done here today. It is time to kneel before the Royal Globalists and thank them for allowing the taxpayer to pay for the Police Presence here today into the Millions & Millions of Pounds" and ends with the extremely funny declaration: "You can be assured that if you are looking for a centralised and fascist system utilizing Socialism at the grass routes to control and domesticate the population, that you have come to the right place. . Mu-ha-ha-ha-ha."

If you can watch this linked clip below without laughing at Alex and his excellent British impersonation beginning at 7:00 minutes of clip, then I must assume your in critical need of a Sense of Humour transplant. Enjoy. . .

https://youtu.be/JAEIx08Ewts?t=7m

Richard
1/2/2016 02:33:07 am

As you know every article I write is not necessarily what I believe, it is written to create feedback and discussion. Some I believe in more than others and whatever people take from it is down to the reader. I, as you have changed my opinion countless times, particularly on the Presidio Heights murder and Lake Herman Road in particular and like you do not blindly accept the reported order of events, especially when they make little sense and one particular idea is the Zodiac being covered in blood after the murder of Paul Stine. We have both seen the other cab murder on Youtube and know this doesn't have to be the case, and you certainly wouldn't place a man bleeding profusely from a head wound in your lap.
Take the BMA incident, I don't buy this story, but certainly wouldn't rule it out 100%, as that is impossible, but police officers have less than a glowing reputation when dealing with their version of events and especially when two versions directly contradict each other and I am not talking about sketchy memories, just constantly changing stories. Pierre Bidou said on 4 occasions that David Faraday was sitting in the vehicle, half in, half out. Is this the truth emerging from beyond the widely reported details. This is something you simply don't forget, especially four times. David Faraday was found on the ground, so why would you make 4 slips of the tongue. As you said before you can get into difficulties when examining timelines, you rely on the transparency of the officers involved, but in respect of Presidio Heights we know for certain that both officers received the initial radio call at the same time and we can go from there and if we go on timelines I believe we can get nearer the likely truth.
Hopefully we/I keep learning, because there is still much to discover and it is only my personal opinion, but by being rigid and unbending on a particular suspect or theory leaves you unwilling to be challenged as you said and closes your mind to progress. Tom Voigt has his opinions and suspect leanings, to which he has every right. As for me I try to remain neutral because quite frankly the burden of proof or weight of circumstantial evidence against any of the suspects has not been achieved yet. Arthur Leigh Allen looked nailed on and was shown 99.9% to be not guilty and no suspect since has been even carried into the limelight as much as him.

Alex
1/2/2016 05:10:41 pm

Well it is a huge compliment to say that an argument I make for something to be the truth or the more probable and The Grounds I have or am using to do so. That for me is First and Foremost and the grounds to believe Option A is far more likely to be true than Alternatives is essential.
A House being built with very weak even non existent Foundation is useless as it has no ability to support anything you try and build on it and Simply Collapse in on itself. The same can be said for the opinion stated or published theory offered that you cannot show, if asked for, what the basis is for this to be more likely than that.

I mean I remember being a tad confused somewhat after I had been A new posting member at Mike's site for 6 weeks, Two Months maybe and because you Needed a Member to refer you for you to be considered for your own membership, and Miss Sandy B. had suggested myself to The Site She messaged me after a couple of Months of Me posting to tell me that She had been asked by several members How She come to know me and that they had commented to Her that they were impressed more than anything with the way I look at things and from A perspective that, I can on y assume, they themselves don't or tend to overlook.

Now there is No Ego at play within me that results in the abve, I genuinely see why this was said because most of the conclusions I reach are reached using common sense approach. No massive intellectual prowess or Genius IQ, just the ability to question something said and use common sense to weigh the likelihood of that said thing being true.

Late Last Year Rich I had an email from A Criminologist who stated they had come across me on ZodiacKillerSite and had been following my posts with interest and after I responded to initial email He said:

"Hi Alex, thank you for getting back to me. . . " and told me He Himself has Two Suspects He considered 'Stand Out' saying:

"Those POIs are of course yours (the Kathleen Johns incident alone is VERY, VERY telling) and the notorious Mr.X, however your evidence is far more compelling so far than what I have got on X. Which is understandable as Mike plays things close to his chest with his POI.

I first found you on ZKS.Com

Between you and I, I actually found your threads more compelling than a lot of others on there. "

There is no bigger compliment than this and Believe me, it means A Hell of a Lot but I just don't see myself as doing anything that everyone else can do should they choose to.

Alex
1/3/2016 01:38:01 pm

"I genuinely see why this was said because most of the conclusions I reach are reached using common sense approach."

That is supposed to state I genuinely don't see why this was said.

Anyway Rich I been meaning to ask, do you know or have you heard via that grape vine any information in regards to "The Cottage" what is spoken on or around Lake Herman, info other than what has been given publically on documentaries etc, which is next to nothing.

Alex
1/3/2016 01:44:31 pm

All we are told by Pierre is its a cottage, it's somewhere around that area of LHR or at least was back then, it is/was owned by the City of Benicia and it was used by person or persons unknown in for purposes of Herbal Farming.

Who were the growers of the herbal 'confiscated contraband?' When Pierre states there was a drugs warrant executed that very night, were there any people confiscated back to the station along with the plants? Lot of unanswered questions!

Richard
1/3/2016 02:32:43 pm

According to Robert Graysmith the gated entrance of the pumping station #10 was one quarter of a mile east from The Cottage. It was owned by the City of Benicia, but my guess is that it was rented out. Maybe a chapter of Hells Angels took residency for a time.
However Butterbach stated that they got a call just before they were about to turn onto LHR, to head to the Hells Angels pad on Warren Street, but it was Warren Avenue, just by Carquinez Cemetery. Warren Avenue is not one quarter of a mile east, but exactly 5 and a half miles east.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/38.0950949,-122.1441977/38.0976341,-122.1512963/Warren+Ave,+Vallejo,+CA+94591,+USA/@38.1024472,-122.2121038,22884a,20y,180h/data=!3m1!1e3!4m10!4m9!1m0!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x8085724ecad200e1:0x72ec7589ddfa5d34!2m2!1d-122.2129689!2d38.0875527!3e0

Richard
1/3/2016 02:50:09 pm

Graysmith said the gated #10 entrance was one quarter of a mile east of The Cottage. The gated entrance is about 0.4 miles east of this building.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/38.0950949,-122.1441977/38.094976,-122.1440938/38.0975538,-122.1507991/@38.0958976,-122.1508076,715m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!4m1!3e0

Close up

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@38.0975215,-122.1514946,3a,60y,163.79h,91.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sn4doR4qflULKDwcof1cmYQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

Richard
1/3/2016 02:59:17 pm

THIS should be the Marshall Ranch.

Alex
1/5/2016 10:50:01 am

"but my guess is that it was rented out"

Well I kinda assumed that it wasn't the City of Benicia growing their own lol. But rented to who, and for what because I have no idea if this 'Cottage' is a small residence rented to private tenants by the City or if it was used for some other purpose.

Any idea?

Richard
1/5/2016 11:25:14 am

Rented to anyone, tourists etc, but maybe the isolated area was the perfect cover for the Hells Angels to rent the property and use it as a base for drug dealing. I have extensively searched the internet, but virtually zilch.


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    The Zodiac Killer may have given us the answer almost word-for-word when he wrote PS. The Mt. Diablo Code concerns Radians & # inches along the radians. The code solution identified was Estimate: Four Radians and Five Inches To read more, click the image.
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