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Richard Grinell, Coventry, England
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THE IDENTITY OF TWELVE

12/25/2018

 
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Many attempts have been made to conclusively link the Riverside murder of Cheri Jo Bates on October 30th 1966, along with the accompanying communications, to the Zodiac Killer. The three 'Bates' letters, on April 30th 1967, ended the Riverside chapter, with the three July 31st 1969 letters to the San Francisco Chronicle, San Francisco Examiner and Vallejo Times-Herald, beginning the Zodiac chapter. But is the hidden identity contained within the 408 cipher (if it exists) somehow connected to the hidden author of the November 29th 1966 'Confession' letter? It is paramount to make a distinction between name and identity when attempting to formulate any cohesive link between the Confession letter and 408 cipher, because the Zodiac Killer claimed he wouldn't give us his name in the decoded 408 cipher, but did claim it would reveal his identity.

​When we take a close look at the decoded 408 cipher, it can be argued that he made a fundamental error when he encoded his original message, accidentally omitting the word "people" in the ciphertext. This is explained in 'The 18 Unsolved Characters [Pt3]'  This effectively created a shortfall of 6 characters in his 408 cipher, which had he not done, would only have left 12 unsolved characters at the end of the message. In view of the Bay Area murderer identifying himself as "Zodiac" just four days later, it was considered that his impatience may have compelled him to reveal his identity earlier than he would have liked, and "Zodiac" was integral to his identity in the 12 characters at the end of the 408 cipher. The hidden identity, therefore being the "Zodiac Killer". 

Had the 408 cipher read 
"the best part of it, is that when I die I will be reborn in paradice and all the people I have killed will become my slaves", and the last 12 characters contained his identity, then by extension, we should be looking backwards to Riverside for the previous time he used a form of cryptic or hidden message. The only letter that contained such an instance, was the November 29th 1966 letter beginning "The Confession by - - - - - - - - - - - -".  The Confession letter to the Press-Enterprise contained 12 underscores of, presumably, the hidden name or identity of the killer. For those believing a connection from Riverside to the Bay Area, the potential murderer of Cheri Jo Bates may have cloaked his identity behind 12 underscores in this particular Riverside Confession letter and 12 characters in his communication with the San Francisco Chronicle on July 31st 1969.  The 'Bates' letters correlated via a trinity of letters, whereby the Confession letter correlated through the identity of twelve. However, the length of the underscores on the Confession letter to Riverside police appears notably longer. See here. 

This analysis fundamentally fails to successfully bridge the divide from Riverside to the Bay Area, as many arguments have before - and the connection between the murder of Cheri Jo Bates and associated communications, to the Zodiac Killer, will remain a hot button topic for many years to come no doubt - but the search goes on.

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Greg H.
12/25/2018 11:55:33 am

These are excellent observations, Richard. The only issue I have is with the name "Zodiac Killer," which was effectively only a media epithet used in juicing up storylines, or, less cynically, to specifically reference the murderer in a manner the layman newspaper reader could quickly and easily grasp. Never, at least to my knowledge, did the murderer call himself the "Zodiac Killer"--instead, he seemed strictly to go by "The Zodiac." I may be wrong about this, and please don't hesitate to correct me if I am. But as far as I'm able to tell, "Zodiac Killer" was something invented by writers covering the case. I'd be curious to pinpoint the first printed article that uses the term.
Hope you're doing well this holiday season, old friend. I'm taking it easy this Christmas. It's been a busy year for me, and even though I don't follow the case with the same ferocity I once did, I still always immensely enjoy reading your articles. With cautious optimism, let's hope for a big break in the year ahead. Best regards...

Richard
12/25/2018 12:33:50 pm

Thanks Greg, nice to hear from you. Of course you are correct in that he only referred to himself as "Zodiac" and not the "Zodiac Killer". I did consider in the linked article that he may have encoded "I am the Zodiac" with the last 12 characters, but obviously this wouldn't make sense as the answer for the Confession letter. Therefore, at best, we could be looking at 12 letters in his identity, whatever that was before he officially named himself on August 4th 1969. The other possibility is, that although he only referred to himself as "Zodiac", it doesn't necessarily preclude him from having attached "killer" before August 4th. I do tend to concur with you however. Hope you keep dropping in from time to time, and wish you a happy festive period and great new year.

Richard
12/25/2018 01:45:14 pm

The Gaul-Sharp letter was typed Zodiac Killer, but that hasn't been authenticated as a Zodiac letter.

Israelite Wolfman
12/26/2018 07:42:45 am

I believe that the uncracked letters go for something as in "yours truly [sic] zodiac" to close the cipher communication.

Rubislaw 32 link
12/26/2018 03:08:06 am

A happy Boxing Day,to all,Richard....a number of volcanoes,in the world,erupting,I see.

If we examine the [real ?] evidence,what do we find :

Avery receives the ''Phil Sins'' letter,actually penned by Sgt.John Lynch,shortly after the Halloween letter....alerting Avery,to the Bates correspondences,with full knowledge,by Riverside,Napa and Vallejo Police Forces.

Avery retrieves copies of the Bates correspondences,from the Riverside Police.He then hands them over to CA DOJ employee,and Documents Examiner,Sherwood Morrill.....who,unequivocally authenticates them,as from the hand of the Zodiac.

The FBI then finally finds out about this ''shielding'' of the Bates correspondences.....and are absolutely livid.The FBI presume,now,that the CA DOJ will give them ''free access'' to the Bates case,on account of Morrill's judgement,on the correspondences.

But....no...the CA DOJ ''baulk''.......in fear that squabbling between the FBI and police forces,will emerge into poor public relations,on the whole Zodiac case,and undermine the public's confidence,in progress,achieved,so far.

So,the CA DOJ ''overrule'' Morrill's judgement.....and the FBI,don't get an ''in'',on the Bates case.Plus,more bad feelings,between the FBI and their relationship with Bay Area forces.

I would say that,this all adds up,to both ''fear'' and ''confidence'',that the Bates correspondences [...all of them...],were perceived,from all sides of the ''LE'' spectrum....as ''Authentic Zodiac'' [?].

Rubislaw 32 link
12/26/2018 03:31:11 am

Oh....I see this recent Terry Poyser/DNA/Sacramento report,is the subject of much ''backtracking'',in the last 24 hours.

''Speculative manure'',all along....and,with no added Magnesium Nitrate [?].

Richard
12/26/2018 04:36:46 am

We have previously read newspaper reports and taken the wording literally, when in actual fact they are the interpretation of the reporter. Evidence regarding the ballistics at LHR was headed from Sacramento, so just because this newspaper report mentions Sacramento, it doesn't mean that it involves any crimes committed in Sacramento. The newspaper report mentioning Poyser was incorrect, and no testing of any samples are underway in GEDmatch. At the very least, what this reporter stated is misleading. From my interpretation of the newspaper, nothing substantial has changed from May this year. I have read many PDF reports from the USA where localities win awards for reducing the backlog of DNA samples not yet sent through the system. There are swabbed rape samples that have never been generated into a DNA profile (Flint comes to mind) to be cross checked with the database of criminals on record, dating back 8 years, which is staggering. The underfunding of these departments is the criminal act here, and getting awards for being the less worse is almost laughable. Therefore, to believe they are going to jump all over a 50 year old case involving 5 victims is unrealistic. The magnitude of the rapes and murders of the GSK far outweighed the Zodiac Killer, and with viable DNA samples, a much more realistic proposition. There is a public drive behind the Zodiac crimes that may hold some sway, but the harsh reality is that this case seems to be stumbling at the first hurdle - acquiring enough viable DNA. Swabbing and magnifying DNA really isn't that difficult in 2018. If they had viable DNA when they did this a year ago, the results should have been placed in GEDmatch approximately a year ago. Even if it was, there is no guarantee any familial links to Zodiac. I personally hold no hope this latest round of testing will produce anything. I hope I'm wrong, but it appears a case of "clutching at straws" over a year after this optimism began.

Using PCR it is possible to generate thousands to millions of copies of a particular section of DNA from a very small amount of DNA.
A complete PCR reaction can be performed in a few hours, or even less than an hour with certain high-speed machines.
https://www.yourgenome.org/facts/what-is-pcr-polymerase-chain-reaction

Richard
12/26/2018 05:12:07 am

I don't know where you stand currently on the Bates link to Zodiac, but we saw the early claims of Zodiac on November 8th 1969 to the Snoozy-Furlong murders, which has now been roundly dismissed as having anything to do with Zodiac. These murders were covered in the newspapers extensively and Zodiac latched onto the fear generated by these newspaper articles by insinuating a link. It isn't much of a leap of faith to believe the same of the Bates case, thoroughly aired by Paul Avery a few months before Zodiac suggested his involvement. Extremely convenient. The fact people mistook the "signature" of the Bates letters for a Z effectively fuelled the fire. It is not implausible he may have lived in Riverside, or was aware of the case, and integrated elements of the Riverside case into the Zodiac case, but being responsible for the Riverside letters and murders is another thing entirely. I would be foolish to rule it out, and continue to look for links (as above), but the more I look at the CJB murder and accompanying letters, the less I like it as a Zodiac crime. An underreported murder would be far more interesting to me, because then we couldn't accuse Zodiac of latching on to headline news, particularly written by Paul Avery or the Chronicle. That is why I'm more interested in the letters such as the Fairfield letters, which don't attempt to mimic previous Zodiac material, the obvious route for a copycat attempting to convince the reader.

Shawn
12/26/2018 05:55:51 am

BY RossSullivan

Richard
12/26/2018 06:04:25 am

Nice one. At least it fits without twisting things. A boon for the Sullivan crew.

BB
12/26/2018 02:53:33 pm

Richard
Did David R. Toschi have Ross as just a POI or was he Dirty Harry's top suspect? When Sullivan died in 1977 did Toschi fake a letter in 1978 to keep the case alive? Is that the real reason why this is turning into a modern day myth? Have we been lied to for fifty plus years? Ross was 22 years old in 1963, 25 in 1966, and 27 in 1968. The only thing is they say he did not drive - but the only case that a car was needed I think was BRS? In the others cases could the Zodiac have escaped on foot?

Richard
12/26/2018 04:29:07 pm

In all truth BB I don't even consider Ross Sullivan a viable Zodiac suspect. One important feature in any investigation is placing a suspect in the locality of the crimes. Ross Sullivan cannot be placed within 80 miles of any of the four canonical crimes. He has been likened to the Presidio sketch - that is all - so not a very compelling suspect. I place more relevance to the Berryessa sketch, viewed by three people in daylight. Even if we considered the Riverside murder a Zodiac crime - he worked in the library - so again, not very compelling. There are some bad suspects out there, and personally I don't consider any of them at all.
There is no proof Toschi hoaxed either the Exorcist or 1978 letter, and probably we will never find out the truth, even if he did.
If Zodiac was on foot at LHR, first we have to explain away the vehicle seen by James Owen moments or minutes before the murders, then explain how Zodiac travelled 27 miles from Lake Berryessa to Napa in 1hr 10 minutes after the crime, if he didn't have a car. The payphone caller was definitely the murderer, because the writing on the car door hadn't yet been discovered at 7:40 pm, so even if a phone caller was imitating Zodiac, he must have known about the Zodiac like crime, which hadn't aired on any police radios at 7:40 pm when he rang David Slaight. You simply cannot walk to Napa in 70 minutes.
Sorry BB, I'm probably not the best person to ask about suspects, because in my opinion there are literally no solid grounds to suspect any of them. My guess, if the Zodiac is ever identified, it will be somebody you've never heard of. I believe he lived in Vallejo, possessed a vehicle, was 30-35 years of age, approximately 5'8"-5'10" and worked in San Francisco. But I wouldn't stake my life on it.

Rubislaw 32 link
12/26/2018 06:34:22 am

I certainly take in all that you say,Richard,on the matter....and agree,entirely,that the Fairfield letters,represent a far more ''pivotal'' aspect to the ''unfolding'' events.....where ''official investigations'' not only had the task of exposing the man,known as the Zodiac,for the crimes that he had already committed.....but also,try to figure him out,and possible ''next moves'',while this man remained free to ply his terrorism.

With the whole Bates ''addition'',we know that the extra resources that the FBI could have brought to the Bates case,might have been a ''game changer''.But,of course,history indicates that the FBI never got that chance.

Personally,I have always been convinced of the Zodiac authenticity of the Bates correspondences.....and latterly,convinced also,that the Zodiac did ''not'' murder Cheri .So,in my book,the Zodiac remains guilty of ''extortion''.

I think that once the FBI had a general grasp of the Bates case,they weren't going to jump to conclusions,on the Zodiac,as Cheri Jo's actual perpetrator....but were desperate for an ''in'' on the Bates case,if only to improve their chances of unmasking the Zodiac.

Perhaps,an albeit lesser consideration,should be made for Paul Avery [?].Having just,in effect,received the sympathy of the world,over the Halloween Card,he is desperate to get an ''in'' of any sorts,to the case,as a ''jobbing journalist''.

As it [probably] transpires,the cops played Avery,for a ''patsy'',to sort out this ''shielding'' problem,with the FBI....that simply couldn't go on,any longer.

Avery would have reflected later,that his vanity got the better of him...and would never be a potent force,as an investigative journalist,again.

The Zodiac would have sussed,what had transpired,also.....and,no doubt,would have enjoyed a good laugh,over this episode.

When the Zodiac later referred to ''Riverside activities'',it probably had more to do with him,the Zodiac,causing more mayhem....this time with the press and police....and this time,without needing to lift a finger.

Another ''victory'' for the Zodiac.

Judith
12/26/2018 11:58:45 am

Perception as it relates to reality. It said Sacramento County submitted DNA to GEDmatch. Must be Nancy.

Carl Karas link
12/26/2018 04:22:36 pm

Why it's Joe Karadanis, of course. Or, far less likely, Lawrence Kane...would he have signed that way?

The Bates Letters may be genuine Zodiac, but on the other hand they strike me as being contrived in their CONTENT, with references to the very different and long ago Black Dahlia torture and killing. Also note the sophistication of the method of the typed letter's creation versus some of the rambling prepubescent loony stuff in it. It's for this reason I don't believe Zodiac committed the CJB murder, an obvious crime of passion. But if he did not, then he- alone or with collaborators- certainly is putting himself out on a limb to cover up for someone else. This is where the case becomes especially fascinating for me.

It also might explain why Zodiac seems caught by surprise- perhaps a little taken aback by Avery's 'meddling'. He or they must have thought that trail had gone cold for Riverside detectives. And it may also explain why he feels the need to conflate it into several murders, outside of simple bragging- because he is deflecting- continuing to plant a false image of the killer. It may have lead to the later vengeful Halloween threat: 'what skeletons are there in your closet, Mr. Aver-ly?'

BB
12/26/2018 05:39:27 pm

Well Done - Thanks Richard

Carl Karas - Could you lay out a complete BIO on Karadanis?

Richard
12/27/2018 05:37:00 am

I concur, have you ever considered writing a comprehensive, from start to finish (encompassing the four canonical crimes and confirmed letters) relating to your suspect Carl. Even possibly the kernels of a book format or Kindle. With so many suspects out there, probably one of the best ways to project a particular suspect is to have the entire story under one banner, so it succeeds or otherwise, in one complete package. Whether one agrees with a particular suspect or not is not the issue, moreover the opportunity of the reader to assess the entire picture, free from short article form. I reckon Carl that would be a time consuming project, but ultimately rewarding upon completion.

Shawn
12/27/2018 06:20:05 am

Dave Peterson (Vallejo Times Herald Reporter) was involved with the Zodiac case from the beginning, he was interested in Ross Sullivan and other suspects.

1978 Peterson letter asking for Ross Sullivan whereabouts...

https://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2017/11/img20170711_20454406.jpg


A little Peterson bio from the History channel...

In the world of Zodiac Killer experts, Dave Peterson was the real deal. As a police reporter for the Vallejo Times-Herald in California when the Zodiac began to terrorize the Bay Area with his murders, letters and ciphers in the late 1960s, Peterson covered the case from the start, earning many cover stories and scoops.

He remained deeply intrigued by its mysteries for many decades after, continuing to research leads, analyze evidence and correspond with other experts and aficionados. During his search for the true identity of this elusive serial killer, Peterson amassed a personal archive of hundreds of clippings, letters and hand-written notes, which are chock-full of musings about possible suspects and the meaning of the killer’s tantalizing ciphers. Now made available to the public for the first time by his estate—exclusively on HISTORY.com—the documents offer a fascinating trove of material in one of history’s most notorious serial killer cases—which remains unsolved to this day.

Link below with Peterson document links...

https://www.history.com/news/look-at-exclusive-documents-from-zodiac-killer-reporter

Carl Karas link
12/27/2018 05:02:18 pm

I'm flattered by y'all! I lack the research skills I think. After just completing an 8 week Geneology course with an excellent instructor, at least I know what not to do. And following this website has helped a great deal. I've thought about going out to stay in the Bay Area for awhile to work on it but don't know when I'd get the chance. Even so with my few efforts so far, there seems to be very little info out there regarding Karadanis. My theory- he was covering for Larry Kane, who was know both to Sinatra and the Mob -he was likely a bodyguard for them who'd performed a very valuable service by protecting certain singers and actresses (see Galaxie500's page- the documentation is there), valuable Mob 'properties'. Karadanis and his partner Robert Maloff wanted to build more than just motels. They wanted in on some real action, a casino in Reno. In order to get the Mob's blessing they were told they had to take Kane under their wing and disguise the murder of CJB to look like the work a serial killer. Karadanis was the key guy. I think the fellow Greek American Xenophon Anthony was also in on it. To keep the ruse going and to fulfill their 'bargain with the devil', they had to kill some actual random- for the most part- people. The letters and codes were more of the same. So they constructed a sort of 'Frankenstein-like' serial killer- Kane knew about Dahlia...he'd been in LA at that time (in jail). Joe Karadanis' wife knew about the Arkansas Moonlight Murders. They read up on the Ripper and others. I don't think they were expecting the school bus threat to be blown up in the media the way it was but who knows.

Joes' Birthday was December 26th- and there are many hints of it in the letters. His parents Cali and Achilles (who, with a 25 year age difference, I suspect were also father and daughter) passed away in '73 and '74. Directly after that they went on to build 'The Sundowner Casino' in Reno, likely with the go-ahead of, and possibly even funding from, the Nevada Mob interests. Kane, Karadanis, Maloff and Xen Anthony have all passed on.

Somehow I'd have to tie main man Karadanis to the attack timelines (6-with Donna Lass, in my mind) and right now I just don't know if I'd be able to complete it before I sink into senility (I'm 61). I see and appreciate how much work and how long it took Mike Rodelli just to get a few bits and pieces of the very private life of Qvale laid out. But it's a great suggestion. I'll at least begin an outline as you say. Thanks very much!

BB
12/28/2018 04:12:37 pm

Richard
This report that Shawn displayed by Dave Peterson on the History Channel link
https://www.history.com/news/look-at-exclusive-documents-from-zodiac-killer-reporter#&gid=ci02319becd00024cc&pid=img_0383
has an article about a knife that the Janitor found. Didn't Ross Volunteer as a custodian around the library? Or was that Cleophus again? Also a custodian took part in the re-enactment the following day. Was that Ross or Cleo? GSP wears a beard.
And he is a librarian - the possible bearded man that did not show up for the recreation.
The knife was buried near the body of CJB just like the sleeping bag murders.
Could this mean that the Zodiac also buried the evidence near by in the other murder scenes? Someone with a metal detector should comb those areas. Also there was a "Little List" that someone may still have."Each officer was provided with a list of those persons expected to attend the re-creation." Thanks to Shawn this lead may pan-out if one of the cops kept that "Little List" and the name of "The Zodiac" is finally revealed.

Richard
12/28/2018 11:37:51 pm

On November 14th 1966, one day after the highly publicized library reconstruction, the police did get a call from a Riverside City College gardener: "That he had unearthed a hunting knife with his rake. The knife had apparently been buried near the murder scene. Detectives hurried to the campus and turned over the knife to the homicide detail. However, examination failed to show any evidence of dried blood on the knife blade. Also, its width did not compare with the incisions made by the stab wounds."

I've always found it odd they could determine only two people didn't turn up for the library reconstruction, because that relies on the premise that they knew exactly how many people were in the library 2 weeks earlier. That relies on everybody remembering everybody, which I don't know how they can claim.

I haven't heard of Ross volunteering as a custodian and Cleophus was a groundskeeper, which is described as "A groundskeeper is a person who maintains landscaping, gardens or sporting venues." So, the person who found the knife being described as a gardener could be groundskeeper Cleophus or a second individual. It doesn't go into specifics.

Judith
12/26/2018 09:08:45 pm

BY Peter Plante 12 spaces

PETERSPLANTE. 12 spaces

PETERSTEPHENPLANTE 18 spaces

Anywho you all know where I come from.

I would be surprised but not completely if the Zodiac is responsible for the murder of Cheri Jo Bates. I drew all the correlations I could find to Peter in my book. The Bates Letters were deemed to be written by Zodiac and the desk poem? By Sherwood Morrill? Hmmm and the police say the confession letter was written by her killer? If you notice on the Bates Letters he has an unusual capital E. He has finished off the E with a Z. I found the same idiosyncracy in Peter's handwriting and show examples of this. So it is the handwriting which ties this all together. Zodiac must have known that he would have to prove he wrote the letters. Hence the piece of Paul Stine's shirt. And it all falls like a line of dominos from there. He needs us to know who he is. It's all about HIM HIM HIM.
Handwriting will never solve this case.

With regard to the girls killed from Sacramento I also wrote about the correlations to Peter in my book including a photo of Peter in full beard looking like the suspect composite. This has always felt like Peter to me. We will have an answer as to who killed Nancy Bennallack soon.

Rubislaw 32 link
12/26/2018 11:30:14 pm

Indeed Carl,we share the same observation with Zodiac being caught by surprise over the ''apparent'' Riverside ''uncovering''.

Perhaps,and in the scheme of things,one of the rare occasions,one feels sympathy for the FBI,and how they were treated by local police forces [?].

After all,their boss,Mr.Hoover,was was drawing up ''death lists'',at the time.

Yes,I accuse Sgt.John Lynch,of having written the ''slow boat to China'' letter,to Paul Avery,as part of a ''dirty tricks'' scheme,devised with the Riverside Police.

And further,I accuse Det.Terry Poyser of making up lies,to order,at the request of his ''real bosses'',before he disappears into the wilderness of retirement.

Shameful,shameful.......and,shameful.

Richard
12/27/2018 08:12:45 am

Richard Quote "The newspaper report mentioning Poyser was incorrect, and no testing of any samples are underway in GEDmatch. At the very least, what this reporter stated is misleading. From my interpretation of the newspaper, nothing substantial has changed from May this year." This is in no way meant to be smug, although maybe a little.

Update from that article "Edit: A previous version of this story mentioned that Sacramento County investigators also submitted a Zodiac DNA sample from a crime scene to GEDmatch. The mentioned samples actually belonged to the Golden State Killer. The story has been edited to reflect this."

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/12/20/50-years-after-first-case-Zodiac-Killer-still-taunts-Bay-Area-investigators/2581545102478/

Rubislaw 32 link
12/27/2018 08:38:33 am

I believe it worth stating,Richard,that a ''presumed'' letter of June 1977,from the Zodiac,and often referred to,as the ''Steve McQueen'' letter.....adds further credence to its authenticity,by its very nature of being a ''death list'',which was directed at the FBI [?].

In essence,a ''dig'' at this organisation,for having ''started the trend'',in the first place.

Not though,one which might have covered the Zodiac,in ''nefarious glory'',for out of the three redacted names,George and Larry Stiner,and Donald Hawkins,as I claim,demanded for release....the first two,had already ''run away''.

Giving the FBI,perhaps,a clue that ''Zodiac'' had probably been far away from Californian criminal knowledge....and,for at least,the last four years.

Like somewhere else in the world,for example [?].

Richard
12/27/2018 10:42:04 am

Well I certainly wouldn't rule it out Rubislaw. If the later communications were him, he certainly vanished somewhere. Incarceration has been offered as one possibility, however, his ability to travel isn't limited to California or indeed the USA. With your connections to Scotland, I know you have explored this particular avenue. Even Bible John (1968 and 1969) has been likened to the Zodiac Killer in some respects. His obvious error in the Steve McQueen letter (if Zodiac) does show a distinct lack of current knowledge, not usually associated with an avid newspaper reader like Zodiac. That may indicate an impostor, but if not, something definitely worthy of consideration.

Richard
12/27/2018 10:43:24 am

The letter probably deserves a further look.

Rubislaw 32 link
12/27/2018 11:44:09 am

Indeed,your ''avid newspaper reader'' reference,Richard,really hits home to the heart of much of what the Zodiac was about.

A ''magpie'',it would seem,for news and current affairs....but also,in particular true crime stories and reportage,that would inspire him....and even,provide a basis,for claim of perpetration,himself.

Of course,fifty years ago,''abroad'' really meant ''foreign country'',and if,as appears likely,Zodiac was a regular traveller....it is conceivable that he went largely without news,local to California,for long periods of time.

Yes indeed,I have looked beyond the USA,though there are grounds for believing that the Zodiac was a regular visitor,to East Texas and New England,in particular.

Though Britain,and Scotland specifically,appears to hold links,France,Portugal and Sweden may also enter the equation.

In addition,The Far East....but I would strongly doubt the Zodiac's inclination,to ''misbehave'',if in that part of the world.Rarely,long drawn out appeals,if given the death penalty [!].

Israelite Wolfman
12/27/2018 09:32:50 am

If we follow his hobby of misspelling words for his own weird amusement it may be: "sinserly yors zodiac". Exactly 18 letters to close in the communication with his "identity".

Richard
12/27/2018 10:50:16 am

Whether 12 or 18 unsolved characters, in view of Zodiac's propensity to spell incorrectly, if he did this in the final few characters of the 408, the decoding of these characters could be deemed practically unsolvable. If he can misspell on a whim, it just adds another layer of problems in our attempt to decode them. We can misspell words to fit the final 18 characters, but without some form of key, it is effectively unprovable, no matter what solution we suggest.

Judith
12/27/2018 07:38:45 pm

I'm not buying the redaction. Why would they be confusing sending in the GSK DNA to see if he is the Zodiac Killer? Compared to what? He has already been identified through GEDmatch . Spare me. When they already know who he is?
More likely they received a flurry of inquisitions, people calling both the newspaper and law enforcement.
I will wait and see what happens, but my guess is it is Nancy Bennallack's killer's DNA profile that is being compared now in GEDmatch which is from a Zodiac crime scene. Word.

Rubislaw 32 link
12/28/2018 02:26:31 am

It is not my intention to sound patronising,Judith..but given the authority's determination that the public should know,as little as possible....this is sadly....mostly a case of ''wait and see''.

I repeat my accusation of Det.Terry Poyser.....that he is a disgraceful liar to the public that he should serve,honourably.

If he should care to take the matter up,as one of defamation of character,with me,then that is up to him.

What extra that I do know,will not solve the current dilemmas of interpretation.....but it is plainly obvious,that there are ''mixed messages'' at play [?].

For Nancy Bennallack's family,we must just hope that they are being offered genuine truth and transparency,on the matter.

To observe all this ambiguity and perceived contradiction,just makes me more determined,now,to seek out a specific politician,in the New Year,and essentially,tell him all that I know.

The judiciary are now 4 years,into a ''re-invigorated'' investigation,with not a whole lot,on the horizon,to be seen,that leads us to believe that they are actually succeeding.

I believe that we,the public,would be within our rights,to express concern that Law Enforcement might elect again,to count out this case,on time.....which appears that they have been prone to,in the past.

If,after 4 years,they realise that,they have bitten off,more than they can chew....then I will do everything that I am able,to expose these individuals,for yet again,using the comfort of anonymity,to count out time,on the case.....serving only their own interests,without any perceivable sense of urgency or obligation to the bereaved or public.

The likes of Det Terry Poyser,is just,of course,the tip of the iceberg.

But,so far.....not a very pretty sight.

In Law Enforcement circles,prevarication is often ''par for the course''.

A sad,and tawdry indictment [?].

BB
12/28/2018 01:38:04 pm

Rubislaw 32
Your mentions of songs and groups has sparked my interest into the musical
interests of the Zodiac. In so doing I noticed that there are tons of songs about murder
Here are a few.
Ozzy Osbourne - Bloodbath In Paradise - Lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50jw48zVCWk
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Lana Del Rey - Serial Killer - Lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlf9e9PnJZM&index=1&list=RDQM7h6bPpT00nQ
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The Fibonaccis - "Old Mean Ed Gein"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Flvxx_m7Ag&list=RDQM7h6bPpT00nQ&index=30
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Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody (with lyrics)
HOTEL CALIFORNIA | THE EAGLES LYRICS
Bobby Darin - Mack the Knife (Lyrics On-Screen and in Description)
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Mack the Knife with the Threepenny Opera has a very interesting history.
And, surly the Zodiac being a fan of the opera and music heard the song
Mack the Knife many times. I wonder if there are any references to this
song in any of his correspondences?
Our culture glamorizes murder as seen in the movies too.

Rubislaw 32 link
12/28/2018 04:44:41 pm

Some interesting musical offerings,there,BB.

I reckon that you are right about ''Mack the Knife''.I think the Zodiac liked ''showmanship'' ,which is,perhaps,a ''broad'' overview.

He would have liked ''crooners'' and stage shows.But also,clever lyrics,like Dylan and Lennon.

Above all,an admiration for ''professionalism''.With the occasional ''down market'',''one hit wonder'',catchy tune.

I find it quite quite tantalising,that the Zodiac may have ''vaguely'' known Don Henley,through a car link,possibly suggested by the ''Albany'' cipher.

I reckon he also got into ''8 miles high'',by The Byrds.There's a 16 minute version,on their album ''Untitled''.

In fact,I now own a small record collection,by a man who is a current Zodiac suspect.The records were left,by accident,in my care,and never reclaimed,due to the suspect's constant travelling.

I can list them,if anyone is interested...they are the ones that go back to circa 1968/1970.

Also,an exact replica,of a possible murder weapon.

Rubislaw 32 link
12/29/2018 01:26:06 am

This record collection,that I have referred to,got me thinking about Zodiac's inclination to ''encirclement''.More obviously on display,with his plentiful cross hair depictions.

It's just with the record collection,there are plentiful ''property of'' symbols....which is the suspect's initials,which are then encircled.People did that,a lot,in those days....since few owned many records.....and it would often be expected of you,to take your collection to parties,so that there was a wide choice of music,for the evening.Hence,you needed to retrieve your collection,at the end of a party.

It seems to me that,the Zodiac ''encircled'' swiftly,and with relative confidence.The clue as to his accuracy,on the ''roundness'' of a depicted circle,is often found,at the ''join''.Sometimes it made the depicted circle resemble more a ''basic tomato'',than a ''ball'' [?].

Isaac Newton reckoned that a person's intelligence could be measured by asking that person to draw a circle,freehand.Then,the accuracy of roundness of the circle,would indicate that person's intelligence.

on Newton's basis,I think that the Zodiac was certainly above average intelligence.I believe that there was a ''habit'' there,with Zodiac's inclination to ''encirclement'',as with their ''plenty'',in the example of the record collection.

Zodiac ''fired off'' these circles,with a pen,quite rapidly......and might have been,even more accurate,for roundness,had he taken more time.

Possibly,then,even more intelligent than ''above average'',if going by Newton's reckoning [?].

Tahoe27
12/30/2018 01:15:19 pm

Just popping in with a little something I noticed a while back--most likely nothing to it, but it caught my eye. In the 1964 Aries (Riverside) yearbook under M. Bates class photo are some male students listed with dashes instead of names--but they are pictured. I found that odd...and no other class photos did this. It reminded me of the Confession letter. Here is a link to the photo (#6 post):

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiackillerfr/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=3556&p=56196&hilit=dashes#p56196

Richard
12/30/2018 01:29:14 pm

Thanks for the contribution Tahoe, everything is worth considering.

BB
2/14/2020 11:53:11 am

Robert Wagner = 12 characters
Natalie Wood was also killed on Nov 29 - A Daliday


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