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THE FOURTH PIECE OF PAUL STINE'S SHIRT?

10/19/2017

 
In 2007, the David Fincher 'Zodiac' film burst onto our cinema screens to bring a new audience to the now 49-year-old murder mystery. The film was based on the 1986 Robert Graysmith book and employed many previous investigators as consultants or technical advisors to the film, such as George Bawart, Russell T. Butterbach, Pierre Bidou, Kelly Carroll, Donald Fouke, Armond Pelissetti, Ken Narlow and Dave Toschi, to name but a few. The film does provide a good overview of the Zodiac case, although clearly employs a fair degree of artistic license not based in fact. However, there is one key scene that we shall focus on here, where the Halloween card arrives at the San Francisco Chronicle headquarters and a piece of Paul Stine's shirt is discovered within the greeting card. 

The Zodiac Killer mailed three pieces of Paul Stine's shirt, firstly, in the October 13th 1969 letter, secondly, in the November 9th 1969 Bus Bomb letter and thirdly, to Melvin Belli on December 20th 1969, yet no mention was ever given to a fourth swatch of Paul Stine's being received with any subsequent correspondence. The film, up to this point, had been accurate in this respect, so why was it necessary to invent this portion of the story when the Halloween card stood on its own merits as a Zodiac correspondence, being perceived as a personal threat to newspaper reporter Paul Avery. With many previous and current investigators involved in the film, this seemed an unnecessary addition of fiction. Unless of course it wasn't.

The Zodiac did not mail the entirety of the shirt section he removed from the taxicab driver on October 11th 1969, and we have come to believe he wasn't a collector of souvenirs. So why didn't he just mail back the remainder of the shirt in later communications, particularly ones he must have realized would be questioned as authentic correspondence from the killer?      
PictureImage from the 2007 David Fincher Zodiac movie
This is not claiming a piece of shirt did arrive with the Halloween card but is looking for reasons why it could be a possibility based on the card's contents. There would seem little reason to withhold this from the newspapers when previous pieces received had been fully disclosed.

Despite this, in 1970, certain details contained in several correspondences were withheld from publication, most notably the whole of the Little List letter mailed on July 26th 1970, eventually released to the press on October 12th 1970 only two weeks prior to the arrival of the Halloween card. Whether the investigators were trying to force a mistake from Zodiac by 'interfering' with his communications can only be surmised. 

The immediate communication after the disappearance of Donna Lass on September 6th 1970 was the Zodiac 13-Hole postcard containing a pasted red crucifix. In later years, a potential burial site was explored by Officer Harvey Hines near Clair Tappaan Lodge, where a rock configuration of 13 stones were positioned in the form of a cross. It was considered that Zodiac may have been pointing us toward the burial site of Donna Lass (the area he had concealed her remains). ​Was the Halloween card also pointing us toward an area of concealment in a rather more subtle way? The author of the Halloween card had certainly made great effort in creating additions to this card in similar fashion to the 13-Hole postcard, but obviously in a more magnified fashion. What purpose belied the addition of a pumpkin over the pelvis of the first skeleton, as well as adding the second skeleton on the card inner? If indeed this held great purpose, then it was largely missed by most observers. One would like to believe the pumpkin and skeleton were placed on the card for more than just the casual amusement of its creator. That is what we shall investigate.       

PictureClick image to view card inner
The first thing to look at is "peek-a-boo you are doomed", a perceived threat to newspaper reporter Paul Avery, placed around the knothole of the tree on the card inner. Peek-a-boo is a form of play where a parent may cover their face with their hands and then reveal themselves to the infant, exclaiming peekaboo. Was this Zodiac patronizing his investigators, painting himself as the parent while subtly mocking the police and journalists as children, warning them they were "doomed?" In addition, was it suggestive of something hidden that was about to be revealed, with the eye in the knothole telling us to look closer.

The Zodiac Killer could have drawn on the Halloween card but chose to add a cut out pumpkin and skeleton. The inside of the envelope contained the phrase "sorry no cipher" twice and was fashioned into an X formation. There may have been no cipher, but was the X marking a location to be found? The pumpkin on the card outer was fashioned over the pelvic region of the skeleton, only to be effectively removed from the skeleton on the card inner to the delight of the author in the form of the word "Boo". Again, an extension of something concealed to the observer before its unearthing. Everything in the card screams out to something hidden that will be revealed. If the Zodiac Killer didn't place a small piece of Paul Stine's shirt behind the pumpkin, it could be argued he missed a Halloween trick - or treat in his case. He drew a colored mask on the eyes of the inner skeleton (that likely in the real world would be made of fabric), that once again hints at concealment.   

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The Zodiac Killer may have written 14 on the Halloween card three times. Firstly, the number fourteen on the hand of the outer skeleton. Secondly, in the form of 4-TEEN above the head of the inner skeleton. And thirdly, in the form of a strange symbol at the foot of the card inner, which may represent 'Zodiac Victims Fourteen' or 'Zodiac Fourteen.'  There may however be another possibility, based on the 'four eyes' near the pelvic region of the skeleton, and near the strange symbol at the foot of the card, where the Zodiac Killer curiously added four dots.

The Bay Area killer certainly was indicating 14 victims, or a potential 14 victims. However, he also appeared to be emphasizing the number 4. He deliberately separated the number fourteen to create 4-TEEN. He placed four larger eyes close to the pelvic region of the skeleton as if urging us to see something, along with the four dots around the symbol. Could the symbol stand for 'Zodiac Four,' or was it still 'Zodiac Victims Fourteen,' with four attachments to date. The fourth piece of Paul Stine's shirt possibly concealed under the pumpkin by the pelvic region of the outer skeleton, highlighted by the four large eyes imploring us to discover. The Zodiac Killer mailed the Halloween card just after the first anniversary of the Presidio Heights murder, so if he was to send any more pieces of Paul Stine's shirt, this may have been his opportune moment. There appears little reason to conclude this information was withheld by investigators, but it doesn't hurt to consider the possibility. 

Rubislaw 32 link
10/19/2017 12:53:52 pm

Another great article from you,Richard.

Two obvious theories,regarding the fourth piece of shirt is,that he used it in a communique,that has yet to see the light of day....and that he just simply threw it away,through no further perceived use.

Just really wanted to touch on the pumpkin.I read an unconfirmed report that claims that when Paul Avery opened the Halloween Card envelope,and removed the card,the pumpkin image fell off.

The implication being that Zodiac had designed it as a makeshift flap.Clearly,to disguise something ''telling'',and perhaps ''X certificate'',in nature.

As a general observation of the card,I believe that Zodiac employed three dimensional ''perspective'',in his attempts of artwork.So,relative ''scale'' of neighbouring features included,should be taken into account,when looking for clues to solve the riddles [?].

I leave the floor open to others.

Richard
10/19/2017 02:21:53 pm

Certainly the Zodiac may simply have disposed of the remaining section of shirt. Haven't seen the part about the pumpkin falling off- would be nice to view this info. The pumpkin could certainly have contained a message (whether X rated or not). It seems the author of the card went to a reasonable amount of effort to construct this card, but just for a laugh appears like wasted effort and rather childlike, not unusual for Zodiac, but makes me think it was designed to create something hidden. The "sorry no cipher" having been written twice rather than the necessary once, appears purposely designed to create the X configuration, suggesting there is a puzzle to be had in the card. It's probably the most interesting communications the Zodiac mailed Rubislaw, but has so many variables almost anything can be manufactured. In an old post I created another tenuous link to Paul Stine, but must be taken with a pinch of salt.
If you start with the envelope, then move to the card outer, then card inner we get this:
The "sorry no cipher" begins the riddle. It forms an X. The symbol on the outside of the envelope contains a letter Z. That made me believe we were looking for a Y.
So using numbers we look at the strange symbol. Bearing in mind the Halloween Card is declaring 14 throughout I considered that the strange symbol was actual a joined 7 and F (fourteen) =21 + 4 dots =25 = letter Y in alphabet =XYZ. This gave us Y. This bit is a stretch, but the rest is simpler.
The hand contains 14+ 3 raised fingers = 17.
The Zodiac could have simply written FOURTEEN on the card inner, but decided to separate the number with a hyphen. ie:4-TEEN.
4- (a teen is a person who reaches 13)= 413.
The final result is Y17413, which I will let you work out what this represents. My point being Rubislaw, there is probably more solutions in terms of numbers regarding the Halloween card than I've had hot dinners. Pi can equally be found throughout the card. The problem with so many variables, is it's doubtful anyone could prove their hypothesis the correct one. But almost certainly this X configuration is certainly "eye opening."

Richard
10/19/2017 02:28:18 pm

But almost certainly this X configuration is certainly "eye opening."
Sorry about the contradiction in this line. Correction.
But this X configuration is certainly "eye opening."

Richard
10/19/2017 02:34:00 pm

I'll give you a puzzle Rubislaw if you are up for a challenge. If you already know what Y17413 is, then:
The Zodiac mailed the Badlands letter regarding Charles Starkweather and Caril Ann Fugate. Where in this case can we find an extremely similar number?

Rubislaw 32 link
10/19/2017 03:38:36 pm

Can't figure out the ''Y17413''....perhaps a zip code,or date [?].

Yes,most interesting,regarding the big ''X''....almost an introduction or explanation of what is to come [?].

The Halloween card is possibly the most fascinating correspondence,that Zodiac ever came up with.

If there is an recurring theme,I believe it is the number 14,and to,effectively,boast the amount of ways,that he is able to subliminally display it.

Ricardo Gomez and I,came up with one ''14'',for the back of the card.The old French word ''Paradice'',means paradise.But,if one pronounces it,as the French do....it sounds like ''Para-dix''....which literally translates as ''For-ten''....which,phonetically,is the derivation of ''Fourteen''.

''Para-dix''.....like parodies,also.

Richard
10/19/2017 04:05:51 pm

Yes, I was reading the thread with you, Ricardo and Welsh Chappie. Some interesting points explored. The Paradice angle is another option as you suggest, as 'paradise' is not particularly difficult to spell. Something worth looking at.
Y17413 is the license plate of the taxicab.
The last confirmed murder of Zodiac was Paul Stine. The last confirmed murder of Starkweather was Merle Collison.
Their resting position in their vehicles was eerily similar.
http://murderpedia.org/male.S/images/starkweather/collison_1.JPG

The vehicle that Starkweather was driving the day he was apprehended by law enforcement was a 1957 Packard Patrician. It's license plate number was;
http://murderpedia.org/male.S/images/starkweather/collison_2.jpg

Rubislaw 32 link
10/19/2017 05:57:24 pm

I see what you mean,now...with the ''2-17415'' of Starkweather's vehicle.

It's a pretty stunning ''close coincidence'' [!].

I can't buy the notion that Stine and Zodiac knew each other.....but the ''stalking angle'' seems to have had no boundaries,with Zodiac [?].

To come up with the ''Badlands'' card,four years,plus,after the Stine murder,is slightly ''unsettling'' [!].

Just on subject of Stine's shirt swatch,there has been debate on whether Zodiac used a knife,or simply tore it,from his victim.

Have you,anything on this ? A knife would be yet another ''item'' that Zodiac would have to consider,in his possession [?].

Richard
10/20/2017 01:16:06 am

The teenagers recalled this in a second interview "Rebecca saw blood and said out loud, "he's stabbing that man." She was seeing blood on the victim and saw the glint of a knife, so she assumed a stabbing was taking place. (No shots were heard by anyone). We know now that Zodiac was cutting off a large piece of Stine's shirt with the knife."
We know he wasn't stabbing the victim, so if she wasn't mistaken, then the only purpose of the knife would be to separate something- in this case the shirt. Whether the knife was used to initially tear the fabric, then it was torn by hand can only be surmised, but an extremely sharp knife certainly would have been quicker in removing the section of shirt than by hand, to all but the most trained individuals. The rectangular piece removed looked fairly neat, that lends to a cutting instrument. I once believed the shirt was torn by hand, however I now go with the likelihood a knife was used in the commission of the task.

Rubislaw 32 link
10/20/2017 02:51:09 am

Thanks for the information....which I would go along with....and bearing in mind ''Rebecca's'' recall.

So,Zodiac more than likely,did have a knife....which is a nasty thought,given what might have transpired if Zodiac's gun had not worked [?].

As appears reported,Zodiac was dressed like a ''casual tourist''....so his pockets were pretty well organised.If the ''A-Z'' was Zodiac's,it is another source for fingerprints,that ''we'' don't know about [?].

It would be rather ironic if,in insuring that he,Zodiac,removed Stine's wallet,to reclaim a banknote offered in advance,that he allowed an ''A-Z'',to fall out [?].

Rubislaw 32 link
10/20/2017 07:42:04 am

The ''story'' I heard,regarding the pumpkin falling off,is unconfirmed,but believable [?].

I think,all things considered,it unlikely that another piece of Stine's shirt was under that pumpkin [?]....to add a tiny piece of cloth,might practically undermine,and detract from Zodiac's ''project creation'',that the card represented [?].

Over the whole of Zodiac's reign,with the SF Chronicle,at its center,I think the Newspaper managed to behave well.One can forgive them for waiting to publish the Halloween Card,until the 31st October,and ''touting'' the card as a direct threat on Paul Avery's life.

As expected,the SF Chronicle received record sales and readership [!],with Avery and the Editor,hundreds of sympathy letters and calls.

They deserved to get something out of it,though,looking back,the Halloween Card,wasn't exactly as it seemed.

And,in more ways,than one [?].

Lemonboy
10/21/2017 09:36:09 am

Richard have you thought about maybe there being in clue in the eyes being shaded red?also the marks in the “Zodiac Victims Fourteen”the dots look like eyes as well..4 dots..4 teen..2 pairs of shaded eyes equals 4 as well..I think your onto something that there’s a hidden message in this letter

Richard
10/23/2017 06:04:02 am

I think the eyes and the mask held some meaning for the author, rather than containing an actual message. The hanging skeleton reminds me of a dungeon type scenario, where the prisoner was shackled to the wall. This torture style presentation seems perfectly in line with his Little List correspondence on July 26th 1970, where Zodiac was claiming he would torture his slaves in paradise. This dark tone seemed in conflict with the presumed assumption that Zodiac was not sadistic in nature, who simply killed his victims and left straight after the crime. But this card, along with the Little List letter and 13 Hole postcard certainly dwelt a little on the fact he enjoyed the idea of inflicting pain on his victims. Bearing in mind that he may have been responsible for the Kathleen Johns abduction and the disappearance of Donna Lass, it makes you wonder what he may have had in store for them. It certainly raises the possibility that simply killing the victims wasn't enough to satiate his needs anymore, or if he wasn't responsible for these two crimes, he was possibly considering it. On the other hand he may have just been attempting to create more fear through his bragging, as he was no longer achieving this through his crimes, which had effectively ceased.

Lemonboy
10/21/2017 09:40:55 am

Maybe he’s referring to his 4 methods of killing?maybe he’s trying to give us a clue to how the other victims have died..we know he used knife and gun so that would leave by rope and by fire..he wants us to figure out the rest of his crimes..

Lemonboy
10/21/2017 09:47:41 am

The y17413 is the license number of the cab where Stine was murdered

Rubislaw 32 link
10/21/2017 11:34:10 am

A good observation,Lemonboy,with respect to the ''ZVF'' symbol.

And the first time anyone has agreed,on the ''eyes'' aspect.

I believe that it is a variant on the Fred Harman registered cattle brand,and Zodiac has left it to more than one interpretation [?].

Firstly,Richard's observation,as an abbreviated form of ''Zodiac Victims Fourteen''.

Secondly,as has been noted by others also,that it is an abstract two-dimensional representation of the Diablo mountain range...with Zodiac emerging...his ''eyes'' and car headlights,becoming visible.

There are examples that Zodiac had a fondness for those mountains,where he probably drove...to just get away from the pressures of real life [?].A favoured beauty spot,for which he felt affinity,and a sense of belonging.

Mountains of the ''Devil''.

Perhaps,others might see a third,or more interpretations [?].

Lemonboy
10/21/2017 12:15:37 pm

Another observation there’s 13 drawn eyeballs in total on the letter..not sure if he forgot one or he meant he had 13”slaves”and Avery would be his fourteenth. Also maybe it’s just me but the eyes all look like they have different expressions ie some look”mad”others look “surprised “. There likely a representation of how he killed them. Maybe the mad eyes represent those that fought back?While the”surprised”eyes were the ones he caught off guard. I believe it represents the victims face as he murdered them.

Rubislaw 32 link
10/21/2017 12:31:06 pm

I think that you are right about the [13] quantity of eyes....with the inference of the ''hapless'' Mr.Avery to become the 14th victim.

But the card is,quite obviously ''cartoon-esque'',so one shouldn't read too much beyond,likely intended fantasy [?].

Lemonboy
10/21/2017 01:54:58 pm

Yes maybe were looking too much into it. Although I always wonder if there’s any meaning with there being 9”eyes”inside the tree while there’s 4 outside,unless you include the skeleton which would be 14th which would represent Avery. Also maybe the paradice/slaves portion is maybe some sort of key?The N is written backwards in the”by knife”. Then again maybe this all means nothing and was meant to throw investigators off track.

Rubislaw 32 link
10/21/2017 03:44:41 pm

The mirror image ''N'' is an interesting observation,Lemonboy.

In the past,I have covered possible horizontal readings,on the back of the card,including the three letter ''word'',starting with that mirror image ''N''.

The word is ''NCP'',which is the official abbreviation for ''Nincompoop'',a traditional English word for a fool.

Gilbert and Sullivan are believed to have named the character ''Nanki-Poo'',in the Mikado,inspired by the word ''Nincompoop''.

''Nanki-Poo'' was the wandering minstrel,and son of the Mikado [Emperor],who was smitten,by the charms of the maiden,''Yum-Yum''.Though ''Yum-Yum'' was promised,by engagement to ''Ko-Ko''.

So,the ''Nanki-Poo'' and ''Yum-Yum'' friendship,became the ''love interest'',in the Mikado story.

I have suggested that this [NCP] might be a subliminal clue,by Zodiac,that he,Zodiac,was representative of ''Nanki-Poo'',as a wandering person,with affection for Darlene Ferrin,who could be seen as ''Yum-Yum''.

A further possible subliminal ''message'' might be seen,above : ''By D By''.As expressed,''Bye,Dee,Bye''.....a final farewell to Darlene,by the man [Zodiac],who found that he had no option,but to kill her...and of course,was showing signs of regret.

Maybe,a bit convoluted for some [?].But I have further found references to Darlene in my solution to the ''340'' cipher.

I have ''only'' uncovered,what I have found,as a mathematician...and the ''Darlene factor'',would not have stopped Zodiac,anyway,from committing many of the brutish further acts.

Perhaps,more than a hint of ''real opera'' to the exploits and escapades of The Zodiac Killer [?].

Rubislaw 32 link
10/22/2017 06:02:15 am

Just as a follow on from the last comment,there two messages,within ''horizontal readings'',on the back of the Halloween Card.

The first,already pointed out,is ''Bye,Dee,Bye'',signed ''Nincompoop''.

The second,at the top of the back of the card,and perhaps more evident :
''Bye,Paul,Bye''.....and signed,sarcastically, ''Fag''

Indeed,a vertical reading,on the solution to the 1990 Celebrity Cipher reads : ''PAUSP''....when the solution is arranged in its original 13X5 grid format.

Quite obviously ''PAUSP'' stands for ''Paul Avery,you Secret Pal''.This since,although the Celebrity Cipher is addressed to the Vallejo Times-Herald,is intended for Paul Avery,as a message of magnanimity.[Available to view at ''MK-Project Zodiac site''.]

In the words of ''Looney Tunes'',''That's all for now folks !''.

Richard
10/24/2017 03:03:59 pm

The author reversed the N on "by knife". But why didn't he write "by" horizontally rather than vertically. Was this accidental or deliberate?

Lemonboy
10/24/2017 05:33:35 pm

Yes I noticed that as well the y is under the b instead of next to it

Rubislaw 32 link
10/25/2017 02:49:51 am

Precise and interesting observations from both you and Richard,Lemonboy.

Indeed,if one were to accept the ''Bye,Dee,Bye - NCP'' subliminal message,then it is apparent that those two horizontals,are the ones that start with the two ''aberrations''....i.e. ''By'',with the vertical ''y'',and the mirror image ''N''.

These,and other observations are not set in stone,as ''factual''.One merely ''uncovers'',and proffers an explanation.Just as I have done,with the work carried out on the high profile cipher solutions.

So,I would suggest that ''Mr.Scout's'' comments are completely unhelpful [?],inelegant,and inarticulate [!],

If I am able to add to the debate further,I will be happy to do so.

''There will be more'' [!].....probably...

scout
10/24/2017 04:00:02 pm

ZODIAC did not collet??????????????? bullshit he has a souvenir of his victims females and males look the picture of Darlene Ferrin with the mysterious man the watch ....ZODIAC KILLER use in the same way once a year you are a wrong! part of the shirt is ZODIAC souvenir! you sure see his trophies!

Lemonboy
10/24/2017 05:31:58 pm

Did you know the zodiac?

Rubislaw 32 link
10/25/2017 03:19:40 am

The short answer,Lemonboy,is ''Yes''.He is still alive,and I have spent a fair amount of the last nine years,attempting to bring him to justice,with the assistance of the police,judiciary,and indeed on occasion,politicians.

While they do what they can....more specifically,attempt to prosecute individual murder cases,that might be winnable,in a court of law....I get on with the work of uncovering the legacy of ''his'' actions,as the ''Unidentified Zodiac''.

''Bold talk'',perhaps....but the only way,in a law abiding and civilized society.

Every little clue uncovered,helps.

Lemonboy
10/25/2017 06:45:34 am

Sorry rubislaw32 I should’ve made it more clear I was asking”scout”since he claims to know zodiac himself and I think that we should hear out everyone’s claims. We’ve already waited almost 50 years what do we have to lose?im open to all theories including ones that say he might be alive as I tend to lean towards this myself

Rubislaw 32 link
10/25/2017 08:08:02 am

Absolutely....and the floor is open to ''scout'',on Richard's accommodating site.

''Variety'' is of interest,also.There is someone that seems to think that Zodiac was the actor,Raymond Burr,who may have ran an ice cream parlour,and enjoyed listening to ''The Grateful Dead''.

You never know what is round the next corner [?].

Richard
10/25/2017 01:49:22 pm

I don't know if anything existed underneath the pumpkin, but there is something noteworthy in Robert Graysmith's book Zodiac. It states "When Toschi and Armstrong were able to get the card away from Avery, they turned their attention to the skeleton that Zodiac had cut out and pasted inside the card. Carefully, they pulled it up to see if there was a message behind it. There was not."
Anyone can see there is limited area on the skeleton for a message, possibly the head or pelvis. But what is unusual, is the total absence in the book on whether they checked behind the pumpkin or whether any 'message' existed. The pumpkin after all, was three times the surface area of the skull, so if any message was to exist, this surely would have been their first port of call. But nothing at all was referenced in the book regarding this possibility. The pumpkin seemed the obvious choice, not the skeleton. The book states this "I obtained a duplicate of the Halloween card in its original unmarked state and realized that Zodiac had added the cutout orange pumpkin to cover the pelvis of the skeleton on the front."
Robert Graysmith, according to his book, clearly had knowledge of Toschi and Armstrong "carefully peeling" back the skeleton to look for a message, but never thought of asking or digging into whether the pumpkin was checked out. That surely would be the obvious next question after the "skeleton peeling." But this is never mentioned in the book. Was this simply oversight on behalf of Graysmith, or was he told there was a message, but not to release the information by investigators. I state this option because he never even curiously asked the question to himself in the book, when clearly this was the next obvious question.
This may be over-reading the situation mind. The pumpkin is a fruit, but many people believe it to be a vegetable. The Zodiac underlined the LAV of Paul Averly on the envelope. This may be nothing more than a casual stroke by Zodiac, never intended to be anything, while some believe it to be a clue. Don't take this next bit too seriously, but I couldn't help thinking LAV was "Lift away vegetable." Bit weak, I know, but wondered whether this was something pivotal to the understanding of the card, because LAV did feature again on the bisected part of "slaves."

Richard
10/25/2017 02:01:13 pm

Breeches, a form of pants, came in a wide variety of styles. The most common form of breech was called the trunk hose. Trunk hose were attached to the bottom of the doublet, a padded overshirt, with points, or small ties, and bagged outward before fastening on the upper leg. They looked almost like a puffy short skirt. Trunk hose were often worn with canions, a loose-fitting hose for the upper leg. An exaggerated form of trunk hose was known as pumpkin breeches. Made with contrasting vertical panels of fabric, these breeches ballooned outward, making it look as if the wearer had a large pumpkin about his waist. Venetians were a form of breeches that reached to the knee; they were padded at the waist and upper thigh and grew slimmer as they reached the knee. Pluderhose were baggy all the way from the waist to the knee, and the baggy fabric hung down to hide the fastening at the knee. The longest breeches, known as slops, reached all the way to the calf.

Read more: http://www.fashionencyclopedia.com/fashion_costume_culture/European-Culture-16th-Century/Hose-and-Breeches.html#ixzz4wYWgpW1G

Rubislaw 32 link
10/25/2017 03:22:53 pm

Fascinating thoughts and assessments,on the more intriguing aspects of the card.

There is little doubt that some aspects of the whole case,that the newspapers,and SF Chronicle in particular,were privy to,have not filtered through,beyond them.

On the basis of given ignorance,the pumpkin could represent ''mock modesty'',with ''LAV'' representing puerility [?].A touch of ''schoolboy humour'' inferred [?].

With the second skeleton,chained up,and looking sorry for itself,I feel that the presumption is that it is intended to be Avery [?].

And about to receive some sort of ''sodomystic'' retribution,for having slandered Zodiac,in homophobic terms [?].

Ouch !

Rubislaw 32 link
10/31/2017 08:31:10 am

Just to add a suggestion to the question of ''LAV'',which appears on both envelope,and on the crucifix.

''Valhalla'',in Norse mythology,was a hall of the slain....effectively,a warrior's paradise.

So,there is always a chance that ''LAV'' refers to ''VAL'' backwards,as in ''VALhalla'' [?].

Not overly convinced,myself,but might inspire someone to take this idea further [?].

Rubiaslaw 32 link
11/1/2017 03:56:51 am

Well,well,well....if one reverses the Nordic word ''Valhalla'',one finds :

ALLAH LAV ....which could be construed as ''The god, ''LAV''.''.

Another ''mocking'' gesture,from Zodiac,to PauL AVery [?].

Somebody please take this off my hands...the ''concerned citizen'' beckons.

[...the ''To kill a Mockingbird'' subliminal theme,still exists,within the Halloween Card....a present to Mr.''Aviary'' [!]. ]

Richard
11/1/2017 07:36:45 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton
F looking symbol on Halloween card.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetractys
The four dots around the symbol can be created using this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan
Anton Szandor LaVey
LAV

Richard
11/1/2017 07:48:42 am

Lauviah Angel of Victory (LAV)
https://spiritualexperience.eu/lauviah-angel-of-victory/

Richard
11/1/2017 08:04:49 am

Rubislaw, I deleted about 20 of my old articles because I didn't like them anymore. Here is one on the Wayback Machine about LAV, the tetractys, tetragrammaton, Shemhamphorasch and LaVey.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160226080200/http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/the-halloween-card-tetractys

Rubislaw 32 link
11/1/2017 08:47:15 am

Thanks for the extra information,Richard.

One can get bogged down in the ''many interpretations'' side of investigation [?][!].

Naturally,I couldn't leave the crucifix on the back of the Halloween Card,alone.

I have just been looking at the ancient Indian epic poem,''Ramayana''.Depending on religious denomination,it can have a number of interpretations,to the story line.

In Hindu,pregnant ''Sita'' is banished from the kingdom of Ayodya,by the ruler ''Rama'',by whom she is expecting.Sita goes on to give birth to boys,''Lava'' and ''Kusa''.

When Lava grows up,he returns to confront his biological father,Rama.

Within the crucifix,there is the vertical : ''PA RA DICE''

Within the crucifix,there is the horizontal : LAV

A story within [?]. ''Pa Rama - dice'' bisecting ''Lava'' [?].

Perhaps,yet another ''overlay'',related to the crucifix,and this time using the epic Indian poem,''Ramayana'' [?].

I can understand why you do away,with what you don't like....but worth storing away.

This is another example,in Zodiac's various correspondences where,there is more than a hint of ''problematic'' father and son tensions,going on.

Perhaps,''r h'' is ''richt-hofen'',after all ? The father who was an aviator ? Also ''By son'',in the Benicia High School note....and ''San's son'',in Rubislaw's solution to the Celebrity Cipher.

That's only a start.....a number of other examples,also....inferring that Zodiac's ''biggest bug bear'' of all,was the father that he never knew [?].


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