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THE EDGAR ALLAN POE CIPHER

7/8/2018

 
It would be befitting that the Zodiac Killer's last correspondence may possibly be the 'Eureka' card mailed in the December of 1990, considering the last major work of Edgar Allan Poe was the non-fiction offering Eureka: A Prose Poem. "Adapted from a lecture he had presented, Eureka describes Poe's intuitive conception of the nature of the universe with no antecedent scientific work done to reach his conclusions. He also discusses man's relationship with God, whom he compares to an author. Similar to his theories on a good short story, Poe believes the universe is a self-contained, closed system. In coming to his conclusions, Poe uses ratiocination as a literary device, through his character C. Auguste Dupin, as if Poe himself were a detective solving the mystery of the universe. Eureka, then, is the culmination of Poe's interest in capturing truth through language, an extension of his interest in cryptography. Some modern critics believe Eureka is the key to deciphering meaning in all Poe's fiction, that all his works involve similar theories". Wikipedia. Strange therefore, that the Christmas card possibly engineered by Zodiac should contain a cryptic message in the form of photocopied keys mailed from Eureka, California.

This is not the only time that Edgar Allan Poe may have played a part in a cryptic message mailed by the Zodiac Killer. It could have been the essay A Few Words on Secret Writing that inspired the creation of the 13-Symbol cipher mailed on April 20th 1970 by the Bay Area murderer. A cipher that could have been devised sometime between October 22nd 1969 and November 8th 1969, and belatedly mailed by the killer some 6 months later, with the accompanying text about 
the murder of San Francisco police officer Brian McDonnell on February 16th 1970.
PictureEdgar Allan Poe
Michael Cole wrote an excellent article entitled "My Name Is" Cipher Motivation that suggested the Zodiac Killer likely drew his inspiration for the 13 -Symbol cipher from an October 22nd 1969 newspaper article by Will Stevens, which laid down a challenge to the Zodiac Killer from the president of the American Cryptogram Association (ACA), Professor D.C.B. Marsh, to reveal his name. Apparently, several months later the killer duly obliged by opening his correspondence with the line "This is the Zodiac speaking. By the way have you cracked the last cipher I sent you. My name is...." He followed this by placing 13 characters underneath, widely considered to be the Zodiac Killer offering us his name. 

It could be argued that this cipher was not only created because of the newspaper article, but designed based on what was contained within the article - in particular the works of Edgar Allan Poe. This would be right up Zodiac's alley, devising a cipher based in the text of the newspaper article. Here is an excerpt:
Dr Marsh told the Examiner today: "The killer wouldn't dare, as he claimed in letters to the newspapers, to reveal his name in the cipher to established cryptogram experts. He knows, to quote Edgar Allen Poe, that any cipher created by man can be solved by man. Zodiac has not told the truth in his cipher messages to the Examiner, the Chronicle and the Vallejo Times-Herald. Zodiac has not done this, because to tell the complete truth in relation to his name-in cipher code-would lead to his capture. I invite Zodiac to send The American Cryptogram Association a cipher code, which will truly and honestly include his name". We can see in the Edgar Allan Poe offering of  A Few Words on Secret Writing, that the very beginning of the essay shows the alphabet being split into two halves of thirteen letters:

"
Were two individuals, totally unpractised in cryptography, desirous of holding by letter a correspondence which should be unintelligible to all but themselves, it is most probable that they would at once think of a peculiar alphabet, to which each should have a key. At first it would, perhaps, be arranged that a should stand for z, b for y, c for x, d for w, &c. &c.; that is to say, the order of the letters would be reversed. Upon second thoughts, this arrangement appearing too obvious, a more complex mode would be adopted. The first thirteen letters might be written beneath the last thirteen, thus:
n o p q r s t u v w x y z
a b c d e f g h i j k I m; and, so placed, a might stand for n and n for a, o for b and b for a, &c. &c. This, again, having an air of regularity which might be fathomed, the key alphabet might be constructed absolutely at random".


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Quite fortunate that the Zodiac Killer, after possibly reading this newspaper article, should then create a cipher of 13 characters beginning with an A (the first letter of the alphabet) and ending with an M (the 13th letter of the alphabet), just like Edgar Allan Poe's construction in his essay A few Words on Secret Writing. 

Throughout the newspaper article Professor D.C.B. Marsh is urging the Zodiac Killer to give his name, which clearly the Zodiac wasn't going to achieve with any reasonable possibility of decryption, but he may have played a game with D.C.B. Marsh by offering us another cryptic message within the cipher. We contended previously that the 340 cipher and 13-Symbol cipher could possibly have been created at the same time because of the interconnectivity between the two. The name Zodiac appeared to be numerically carried forward from the 20th line of the 340 to the 13-Symbol cipher in the form of three circled 8's. This was achieved by placing the correct spelling of Zodiac alongside the 'near Zodiac' and numerically counting the difference between the columns. This produced perfect numerical symmetry, as did placing A to M (half the alphabet) alongside the 13- Symbol cipher. For this to be achieved, it was argued the two ciphers must have been created with each in mind, and therefore both crafted at a similar time. See image here for explanation.
 

"In Christian numerology, the number 888 represents Jesus, or sometimes more specifically Christ the Redeemer. This representation may be justified either through gematria, by counting the letter values of the Greek transliteration of Jesus' name, or as an opposing value to 666, the number of the beast". Wikipedia.
Curiously, if you visit the English gematria site here and enter Edgar Allan Poe into the calculator, 666 is achieved.    
​Was the Zodiac Killer playing games, giving us the name Jesus in the form of a numerical value and depicting himself as the savior of souls for the afterlife?
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Professor D.C.B. Marsh attempted to coerce the Zodiac into giving us his name by stroking his ego, therefore it seemed rather unusual that every alphabetical letter within the 13-Symbol cipher apart from one, could be found in the word NAME. The Zodiac Killer gave us A twice, M twice, N twice and E once. The only exception was the letter K - the only letter the Zodiac Killer scrubbed out in the 340 cipher. Removing this from the 13-Symbol cipher only leaves us with letters contained in the word NAME.

The creation of these two ciphers together is a plausible explanation for a correlation between the two, with the inspiration of Edgar Allan Poe in the construction of the 13-Symbol cipher, based upon splitting the alphabet down its center, was ultimately born from the article by Will Stevens. ​Edgar Allen Poe stated that "any cipher created by man can be solved by man". Could it be claimed that any cipher created by Zodiac can be solved by Edgar Allan Poe?

Rubislaw 32 link
7/8/2018 11:19:25 am

Well ''Heavens above'',Richard.Mr.Poe is the very man that I had been thinking about,recently.

He seems to be all over the Zodiac,in terms of an influential figure.

Perhaps we could add the San Jose Cryptogram,to what you have referenced and mentioned,already [?].

The solution [ Eggman 1,The Eggmen 0 ],being a nod to John Lennon's ''I am the walrus'' chorus.

Here it is :

''Elementary Penguin singing Hari Krishna,man you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allan Poe.''

'' J Edgar Arthur Leigh Allen Poe'' could be a bit of a stretch.

But,you get my drift [?].

Richard
7/8/2018 01:21:44 pm

Yes, I know Marcelo has covered Poe before in regards to the Gold Bug. The The Masque of the Red Death did cross my mind Rubislaw, but obviously not in the context of possible ciphers. We know that Zodiac got his inspiration from somewhere- often suggested is the book Codebreakers, along with many ancient alphabets, but the mention of Edgar Allan Poe within this article was a good starting point from the 340 and 13 cipher onward. The 408 must be approached separately unless somebody can find a Poe connection within it. With Zodiac's reference to Blue Meannies certainly has brought the influence of Lennon and Beatles into the equation regarding Zodiac, so all options are on the table.
The article by Michael Cole has certainly opened up many new avenues, even if they weren't the ones he originally intended.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/8/2018 02:51:26 pm

Some interesting ruminations on influences,Richard.

I go with ''Dick Tracey'' and ''The Lone Ranger'',on childhood influences,with the idea of coded messages.

Then,as Zodiac stepped up to the plate,on ''variety'' with his extortion,David Kahn's Codebreakers' book.Certainly pushed as an inspiration,by Fincher's 2007 film.

Acknowledgements to Lyndon Lafferty,for uncovering the mysterious man,who took out the Codebreakers book from Vallejo's John F. Kennedy Library,on February 13th 1968,and checking in and out the book,another ten times,before finally leaving the book with the library,on 20th August 1969.

By that time,this mysterious man had probably given himself a good education in ciphers and codes.

All the FBI have,is the very book,itself,and this person having signed for William Joseph Grant in type,but using an alternative Christian name.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/8/2018 11:44:19 am

.....and,to further add :

''The Masque of the Red Death'',a Gothic fantasy play,by Edgar Allan Poe.

In 1964,it was made into a film,starring Vincent Price.

Vincent Price played ''Eggman'' in the TV Batman series.

John Lennon's ''Eggmen'' were believed to be the FBI.

We are almost travelling ''full circle'',in Zodiac's mind [?].

Richard
7/12/2018 03:49:35 pm

Red Phantom "red with rage."
Phantom of the Plains (1945)

Red Ryder and Little Beaver return to "Blue Springs" and learn that the Duchess, Red's aunt, is going to sell her stagecoach line and marry a snooty Englishman Talbot Champneys, who is really Fancy Charlie, who has the nasty habit of marrying rich women and then killing them for their fortune. The concerned Red thinks everything is okay until he sees Champneys mistreating Red's horse, Thunder, and he then decides to investigate Champneys because, as he tells Little Beaver, no true Englishman would mistreat a horse. Realizing that he doesn't have much time with Red snooping around, the western Bluebeard persuades the Duchess to return to England with him, meet him at the railroad station to be married and, oh yes, bring her money with her.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037986/

The Phantom Cowboy (1941)

Starring Don 'Red' Barry
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034020/

Rubislaw 32 link
7/12/2018 05:02:30 pm

Thanks for posting this information,Richard.

I will look it up,in more detail.

Did you know that ''Little Beaver'' was the lucky mascot symbol,for William Grant's Bomber squadron ? Naturally,in relation to a theory that Zodiac was persecuting Grant.''Just wait till next time [Red Barron]''.

We can,perhaps see why the authorities were happy to eliminate Grant,as an associate suspect,or otherwise [?].

Cheney was one of the few that could be called,a friend of A.L.A.

And Mr.X was seen as a possible signalman for Zodiac,at Washington Street......''full stop''.If Mr,X hadn't been wealthy,and affording to pay for good lawyers,he could have cleared himself,years earlier [?].

BB
8/5/2018 05:28:00 pm

The Cosmic Egg is the origin spot of the Universe.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/8/2018 12:12:22 pm

Naturally,I can't offer proof to the San Jose Cryptogram being :

'' 0 1 F B I 0 ''....but it looks pretty compelling,from an exclusively homophonic perspective.

When Lennon,was told by his publicist,that the press wanted to know the meaning of his lyrics to ''I am the walrus'',Lennon replied :

''Go tell the f**kers to figure it out for themselves.''

I think Zodiac would have admired Lennon,for that.

Sigmund
7/8/2018 04:43:31 pm

It is always interesting that, excluding God Himself, the name of the greatest Biblical Freemason of all was Solomon. As we all know, Solomon was the master architect of Beit HaMikdash, "The Sanctified House", popularly known as "Solomon's Temple". The name fits very well with this cipher. As does the "play on words" Son of Man.

In early Middle English "man" was spelt "manne", "manna", "menne", "mennen", or "monne", and variations on this theme.

The Zodiac was perhaps telling us he was a "Solo Man" - in short, his own man. In other words, a lone wolf, of his own making and design and beholden to nobody. In essence he thought of himself as a god who operated by his own rules, beyond the boundaries and laws and limitations of man.

Proponents of the theory that Manson had something to do with the Zodiac case (I am not one!) have found this idea very tantalizing. Of course, one of the main "tenants" of Mansonism was "Son of Man equates to Manson" - the Son of Man being, in essence, the same entity as God. Reading the cipher backwards we also see the word "man" on the end.

Others have pointed out that "nam" is a popular abbreviation for "Vietnam", suggesting the Zodiac was perhaps alluding to the Vietnam War for some reason.

The Zodiac did like to appear popular and modern, so he frequently re-hashed things that were newsworthy and relevant, and courted popular culture and prominent popular people. He did not want to be seen as "yesterday's news". So this desire to keep up-to-date and remain relevant was evidently very important to him.

Was he telling us his name, or just telling us coded things about himself and his mental rationale? That is perhaps the real question.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/8/2018 05:21:16 pm

Some fascinating incites,Sigmund,and I certainly go along with your perception that the Zodiac was his own man.

As you have suggested,I go along with a denial that the Zodiac had anything to do with Manson.I think,on occasion,Zodiac might have seen the Manson phenomenon as a threat to stealing his [Zodiac's] thunder,on newspaper coverage.But,that was all.

But,there was obviously a preoccupation with the anthropological position of a ''son''.

The Dragon Card illustration alludes,by inference to Satan's son overcoming the dominance of his father.

The Benicia High School Note,refers to ''Byson'',which is ''Bay's son'',with an old fashioned Southern drawl.

The Celebrity Cypher solution [mine] mentions ''San's son'',with literal meaning of ''without his'' in French.

The ''340'' solution [mine] refers to ''Cid's son'',which is a reference to J Edgar Hoover's assassin,Claude Hubert.

Many might think ''conjecture''....but I have only started.

Zodiac,I believe,certainly had a problem with a father,or father like figure.

Feeling,himself,constrained or dominated.

Sigmund
7/8/2018 05:39:55 pm

Perhaps of interest too that in VietNAMese:

"tiên sinh" = "Mr.", "Sir", "First Born",

from đầu tiên sinh "(Head one of) First Born"

"sinh" = "be born", "born"

The word is perhaps semantically and morphologically related to Sông ("river" or "stream"). A river being a source of life with a headwater and a beginning.

Karen C
7/10/2018 04:36:06 pm

Regarding the "nam" syllable, it also seems likely that Zodiac was playing games on the word "Name", and perhaps leading us down the garden path with notions of the cipher being an anagram. His ability to tease and deceive by using simple linguistic devices had no boundaries.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/8/2018 05:58:15 pm

Yes indeed....pretty compelling.

Also,I think we should lay to rest,once and for all,that Zodiac saw himself as ''The Lord High Executioner'',from ''The Mikado'' opera.

Zodiac,I believe,saw himself as ''Nanki Poo'',the ''wandering minstrel'' and son of the Emperor,The Mikado.

Nanki Poo was always disappearing,often abroad,to stay at arm's length,from his dominating father.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/15/2018 05:36:29 am

It may also be of interest to readers that,as well as a mysterious man,checking David Kahn's Codebreakers book,in and out of Vallejo's JFK Library,and signing for William Grant's name,that this same mysterious man.....took out a double LP of ''The Mikado'',from the Fairfield Civic Center Library,on February 5th 1968....finally leaving the recording,with the library,on March 17th 1970....having checked it in and out nine times,in the interim period.

Like the copy of the Codebreakers,Lyndon Lafferty insured that the FBI,were given custody of it.

And,the signatures of the man,who employed a different Christian name,to William Grant's.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/8/2018 11:37:14 pm

Perhaps it might be worth focusing on the upbringings of Edgar Allan Poe and John Lennon,briefly.

Poe's biological parents,both actors,died when Poe was one and Two years old,respectively.

He was adopted,and showed writing abilities,from an early age.But he clashed with his father,who had a gambling addiction.To the extent,that Poe had to be removed from a good education,through lack of funds.

Poe then joined the Army,to pay for a further education part time.He was useless at being a military man,but thankfully early success as a published writer,allowed him independence.

John Lennon's father was in the merchant navy,and away for the most part.His parents split,when Lennon was five.At this young age,his father forced him to decide which parent he wished to be with.Lennon chose his father,but quickly his father realised that Lennon should stay with his mother Julia.Julia couldn't cope,being a ''good time'' girl,and farmed Lennon off to his Auntie Mimi,who gave Lennon stability.

When close to adulthood,Lennon was reintroduced to his mother,and they hit it off well.Sadly,this was short lived,as Julia was killed in a road accident.

So,both Poe and Lennon had much to be aggrieved,perhaps [?].

That,they had both missed out on opportunities to have a childhood,without mishap,and through no fault of their own.

The empathy that Zodiac did have,despite clear signs of psychopathy,were possibly directed at artists,for whose work Zodiac was inspired by,and showed appreciation for [?].

Corey Hagler
7/9/2018 06:15:12 am

Richard,
We know the zodiac had a fondness for poems, with the addition of this theory of quoting Edgar Allan Poe that is very good. What are your thoughts on Lord Byron? In particular Darkness and Churchill’s grave.?

Richard
7/9/2018 06:33:07 am

The poetry angle is certainly something to add. Never considered Lord Byron in the equation,
I had a dream, which was not all a dream.
The bright sun was extinguish'd, and the stars
Did wander darkling in the eternal space,
Rayless, and pathless, and the icy earth
Swung blind and blackening in the moonless air;
Morn came and went—and came, and brought no day,
And men forgot their passions in the dread
Of this their desolation; and all hearts
Were chill'd into a selfish prayer for light:
And they did live by watchfires—and the thrones,
The palaces of crowned kings—the huts,
The habitations of all things which dwell,
Were burnt for beacons; cities were consum'd,
And men were gather'd round their blazing homes
To look once more into each other's face;
Happy were those who dwelt within the eye
Of the volcanos, and their mountain-torch:
A fearful hope was all the world contain'd;
Forests were set on fire—but hour by hour
They fell and faded—and the crackling trunks
Extinguish'd with a crash—and all was black.
The brows of men by the despairing light
Wore an unearthly aspect, as by fits
The flashes fell upon them; some lay down
And hid their eyes and wept; and some did rest
Their chins upon their clenched hands, and smil'd;
And others hurried to and fro, and fed
Their funeral piles with fuel, and look'd up
With mad disquietude on the dull sky,
The pall of a past world; and then again
With curses cast them down upon the dust,
And gnash'd their teeth and howl'd: the wild birds shriek'd
And, terrified, did flutter on the ground,
And flap their useless wings; the wildest brutes
Came tame and tremulous; and vipers crawl'd
And twin'd themselves among the multitude,
Hissing, but stingless—they were slain for food.
And War, which for a moment was no more,
Did glut himself again: a meal was bought
With blood, and each sate sullenly apart
Gorging himself in gloom: no love was left;
All earth was but one thought—and that was death
Immediate and inglorious; and the pang
Of famine fed upon all entrails—men
Died, and their bones were tombless as their flesh;
The meagre by the meagre were devour'd,
Even dogs assail'd their masters, all save one,
And he was faithful to a corse, and kept
The birds and beasts and famish'd men at bay,
Till hunger clung them, or the dropping dead
Lur'd their lank jaws; himself sought out no food,
But with a piteous and perpetual moan,
And a quick desolate cry, licking the hand
Which answer'd not with a caress—he died.
The crowd was famish'd by degrees; but two
Of an enormous city did survive,
And they were enemies: they met beside
The dying embers of an altar-place
Where had been heap'd a mass of holy things
For an unholy usage; they rak'd up,
And shivering scrap'd with their cold skeleton hands
The feeble ashes, and their feeble breath
Blew for a little life, and made a flame
Which was a mockery; then they lifted up
Their eyes as it grew lighter, and beheld
Each other's aspects—saw, and shriek'd, and died—
Even of their mutual hideousness they died,
Unknowing who he was upon whose brow
Famine had written Fiend. The world was void,
The populous and the powerful was a lump,
Seasonless, herbless, treeless, manless, lifeless—
A lump of death—a chaos of hard clay.
The rivers, lakes and ocean all stood still,
And nothing stirr'd within their silent depths;
Ships sailorless lay rotting on the sea,
And their masts fell down piecemeal: as they dropp'd
They slept on the abyss without a surge—
The waves were dead; the tides were in their grave,
The moon, their mistress, had expir'd before;
The winds were wither'd in the stagnant air,
And the clouds perish'd; Darkness had no need
Of aid from them—She was the Universe.

Shawn
7/9/2018 07:47:56 am

In the essay by Poe entitled "A Few Words on Secret Writing,". in Graham's Magazine. Poe offered a free subscription to anyone who could submit a cipher he could not break. Poe claimed to have solved 100 entries then published two ciphers by a W.B. Tyler to conclude the contest. Many people think Poe was Tyler.

One was solved in 1992.

The other was solved in 2000 by a software engineer. "The lines were encrypted with a polyalphabetic substitution cipher using six symbols for each English letter."

I was thinking maybe the 340 cipher could have the same format as Poe's cipher or maybe each symbol could have a fixed number of English letters associated with it. Only a computer program (programmed for this situation) could solve.

Article in American Scientific below.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-cipher-from-poe-solved/

Sigmund
7/10/2018 04:55:59 pm

Shawn, there already are such computer programs, and as yet none have solved the 340. My personal feeling is this:

1) It is a fake cipher which contains numerous small, taunts (or "puzzles") which independently relate obscurely to details about the killer and his crimes. There are snippets of meaning there, but no singular or logical verbose meaning.

2) It was once upon a time a real cipher, but the Zodiac tried to make it more difficult to solve by "randomizing" it. One can easily do this, simply by altering the order of the columns and rows; in other words by switching columns around and switching rows around. You can easily try this experiment on the 408 cipher in order to make it un-crackable. The more columns and rows that you switch, the greater the randomness. Also, greater randomness can be created by reversing the order of some columns and rows and then placing them out of sequence. One could even reverse the order of half a row or column and leave the other half in order, them re-position the row or column. The more of these switches you do, the greater the randomness. Unless anyone knows the "key" (i.e. the correct sequence of switches) they will never get the cipher back to its original condition in order to solve it. Getting the sequence correct by sheer chance would be like sitting in a car under cover on a cloudless day and expecting to be hit by lightning.

Sigmund
7/10/2018 05:04:51 pm

"I was thinking maybe the 340 cipher could have the same format as Poe's cipher or maybe each symbol could have a fixed number of English letters associated with it."

Shawn, Some are referring to such a method already as a "Kaczynski" style of cipher. I have often wondered if maybe each symbol in the 340 is an entire word rather than a single letter. I have mentioned this to cryptography people in the past and they always dismiss the idea by saying "There would be too much variability". But I remain certain that if someone could come up with a cohesive solution based entirely on word replacement, and it flows as normal written text, surely such a solution would at least be plausible. Perhaps not all symbols are words. Some may function as full stops, commas etc. A true Kackzynski cipher would be incredibly difficult to solve.

http://scienceblogs.de/klausis-krypto-kolumne/2016/09/04/the-ciphers-of-the-unabomber/

Rubislaw 32 link
7/9/2018 02:04:02 pm

From your article's references,Richard,I have homed in on Eureka and ''A Few Words on Secret Writing''.

The latter is a discourse on coded messages,and former [Eureka],Poe's last work,which baffled his friends and contemporaries.

Poe was a short story writer,playwright and poet,first and foremost,who is accredited with introducing ''Crime Fiction'' and ''Science Fiction'' to the world.

Certainly no mean feats.

But he was not a code maker,nor a code breaker,He was a ''fan'',who ''had a go''.And it is little wonder that Zodiac,would have been intrigued by Poe's interests,if ,as likely,Zodiac took an interest in Poe's work,in general.

As previously mentioned,Zodiac is more likely to have ''graduated'' from ''Dick Tracy'',as a child,to David Kahn,as an adult,when it came to the actual construction of ciphers.

alex
11/25/2018 02:37:57 pm

Wow your wrong on unbelievable levels. You do realize that Edgar Allen Poe did create ciphers and did a lot more then “have a go” at them when he held a contest in which he solved more than 100. Also it’s widely believed that D.W Tyler is Edgar Allen Poe and it wasn’t until 2000 that his ciphers were solved.

Karen C
7/10/2018 04:38:45 pm

Incidentally, can anybody tell me which subjects ALA taught, when he was a school teacher?

Judith
7/10/2018 07:45:05 pm

I'm wondering now if they have not discovered some DNA profiles from the envelopes which Vallejo PD recently submitted for testing, there has been no word. Perhaps a variety of profiles have been obtained. Perhaps they are filtering through a group and trying to cross reference to DNA databases and eliminate people. If the suspect is dead there is no rush for an arrest like with the Golden State killer. It would take time to also see if this person is responsible for any other unsolved crimes. If the suspect is dead how do they get his DNA? No one to Trail and obtain thrown out cigarette butts or dirty door handles to wipe. And then what ? Peter's been dead since 2001.

Corey Hagler
7/10/2018 09:37:49 pm

Judith,
Let’s hope that after 50 years and With a visual identity put him around 39 - 40 in 1969 , someone is keen enough to think about gathering DNA on anyone they figure could be suspect. Also I’ve always thought to myself that if the correct name is brought to light there would be a windfall of comments from people who would speak up and actually say “I always wondered that it might have been him.” .... including family members. I’m still under the premise that a family member or more knew but kept hush due to family shame. The Zodiac seemed to wish everyone a Merry Christmas in his letters albeit sarcastically, however to me it seemed he was left out. Like Family banishment and shame punished him to excommunicated status. ....

Rubislaw 32 link
7/11/2018 12:20:43 am

For all our understandable recent speculation and anticipation,in view of recent events,that appears to have been a ''wake reaction'' to the GSK arrest,I think that any outcomes worth having,are simply not going to materialise in the short term,at the very least.

Why ? Because it doesn't suit the purposes and intentions of the authorities,at this time.

I have recently accused the CA DOJ of palming off their excuses,in the form of prevarication,using the V.P.D.,as a mouthpiece.

There never was a ''secret lab'',nor a potential material source,that would emanate from the Vallejo Police Department.

Unless everything forensic related with the case,travels from or through the CA DOJ and FBI,then official proceeding protocol,has broken down.

Not once has the DNA profile arrived at,in 2002,and used to eliminate a number of suspects,been officially disowned by the authorities.

Claims of a ''2002 Scandal'' is merely fabrication and invention,by speculative and ''dishonest'' Zodiac site contributors,and,because it suits their personal agendas.

We are being told that the authorities have never made a press release to clear ''Ted K''.Nor,has anyone been told that ''Ted K'' has been cleared.

The actual reality is,that ''Ted K'' has never been suspected,in the first place !!

The same goes for Brad Davies,and indeed,any or all of the Manson clan.

So yes,it can be difficult enough figuring out what the authorities are actually up to,without fibs and lies emerging from these sites of information exchange.

But,the long and the short of it is,that the authorities will only tell us what they want to tell us,and how they wish that information,or lack of it,should be relayed to us.

Prevarication,for the purposes of buying time,and keeping to a minimum,the extent of bother,that the public might give them,is the name of the game.

We will only ''know'',when ''they'' are ready to tell us.

And,the press no longer have the clout,nor inclination,to put the authorities to the sword,on truth.

Howard Miller
7/11/2018 04:36:27 pm

Agreed! There will be about as much chance of a resolution to the Zodiac case as a resolution to the Friendly murders in Palm Springs. Neither case is going anywhere fast from a present state of nothing!

It always bothers me immensely that the chief suspect in the Friendly murders was in police custody in Europe, but somehow wriggled free on a technicality and due to poor extradition arrangements with the United States. Moreover the Palm Springs police office seemed to be inexplicably impoverished, so lacked the necessary funds to bring the suspect to the US to face trial. The prime suspect had been, according to FBI files, involved in a variety of nefarious activities his entire life, ranging from petty theft and extortion to illegal weapons trading in Africa while employed as a foreign mercenary. Later he turned his "talents" to bank robbery, as well as international gambling fraud. It seems this POI got to live out the rest of his days as a free man. It was almost as if the international authorities rewarded him for his life of crime! Who knows if he is still alive? Who cares (at least it would seem nobody in authority does!)?

Judith
7/11/2018 06:42:37 am

So in 2012 when CA DOJ from San Francisco came to my location in Sacramento with multiple agents to discuss Peter as a Zodiac, was it because he did match the partial DNA profile?

Rubislaw 32 link
7/11/2018 07:27:48 am

It is remotely possible,Judith,but unlikely.

More likely is the case that your information,and you,is a case of one of the few that they have taken seriously.

But,in relation to ''Peter'' being an ''associate'' of the man that,if only by virtue of establishing DNA profile,in 2002,is the Zodiac.

As far as I am able to ''see'',William Grant,Don Cheney and Mr.X fell into that category,anyway [...as potential associates of the Zodiac,but not Zodiac,himself....].

With Arthur Leigh Allen,the only one of the four,whom they believed could have still been the ''one'' Zodiac.

So,Peter could still remain as an associate suspect,who colluded with the Zodiac.Though unlikely to be ''The Zodiac'',they have in mind.

On a perhaps speculative note,''circumstances'' altered,near the end of 2014,when finally a chance emerged to find the identity of the man,whose DNA profile was obtained and agreed upon,in 2002.

At that point,a private arrangement over a certain murdered person's case file,took place,between two well known law enforcers,and a lesser known D,A. of a county of a commonwealth State of the U.S.

This was at the exclusion,for whatever reason,of the CA DOJ.When the CA DOJ eventually found out,they undstandably,were pretty upset because it related to the case of the Zodiac Killer,for which they technically,hold legal ownership.

But,all parties appear to be ''up to speed'' now.

The real inference,in all this is that firstly,it became the first confirmation that the Zodiac had killed outside the State of California.

And,secondly,that a further opportunity has emerged to take the Zodiac down,by prosecuting him for a murder that ''they'' might have a chance of winning,in a court of law.

If ''they'' can do this,then the opportunity opens up,to force the Zodiac to throw in the towel,on his other serious crimes,by securing a plea deal,that satisfies ''all parties''.

Corey Hagler
7/11/2018 09:22:44 am

The authorities would need a confession.
I’ve been told by close detective friends in the SFPD that they have absolutely nothing in regards to definitive evidence. You could walk the true Zodiac to the front door of the SFPD and they would tell you 1200 suspects are reported every year please come back later. Somebody knows who the true Zodiac is and can’t do a thing about it.

Howard Miller
7/11/2018 04:41:38 pm

The hilarious thing is the cops did have their share of confessors. They too all turned out to be hoaxers. No wonder the authorities got fed up with this whole case! It became a case of "For the love of God, will the real Zodiac please stand up?!!!"

As time goes by the list of suspects will only continue to grow and grow and grow...

Tom
7/12/2018 08:51:15 pm

Mr X could not have been Mr Z. Mike R has done extensive and impressive research on this and has come to a different conclusion. It does seem somewhat likely that Mr X was somehow involved. The Paul Stine murder and the actions of Faulk and Pellisetti hold the key to the investigation. Is there any way to make sense of the events of that night?

Rubislaw 32 link
7/13/2018 04:49:42 am

Yes Tom,its a very pertinent point,which I have made some reference to,earlier.

I think it really is quite straightforward on Mr.X.

The investigating police understood that there was a small concession for believing that,given the circumstances of events,on the evening of Paul Stine's murder,that....Mr.X,walking his dog on Washington Street,could have been a signalman for Zodiac,riding as a passenger,with Stine.

Mr.X was a wealthy and successful businessman,well respected.He was indignant at the inference of accusation,that the police were making against him.

Mr.X could afford good lawyers and,instead of just helping the police,with their inquiries,elected to take the arrogant route of leaving the matter,with his lawyers.

Didn't Mr.X realise that the police would never let the matter drop,until it had been resolved ? Clearly not.

So,what ensued was silly belligerence on Mr.X's part,until 2002,when forensic evidence ruled Mr.X out anyway,as someone that might be in collusion with Zodiac.

33 years.....unbelievable....and,so I believe,Mr.X eventually helping the police with their inquiries.

Mr. ''Mike R'' is the inventor of the term ''2002 Scandal''.He continues to post on various sites,to let everyone know that he has just received a fifteenth,or sixteenth ''five star'' review for his book.

Well,good for,and good on him.

But,he is not fooling most of us.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/11/2018 10:01:49 am

Yes Corey,''The authorities would need a confession'' is certainly a ''truism''.

The only way to get a confession out of Zodiac,is for the judiciary side of law enforcement,to put together a prosecution case,that is robust enough for Zodiac's defence team to advise him to instruct them [...the defence..] to negotiate a plea deal.

This is what.as far as I am aware [...the construction of a case..] is taking place,right now....and has been ongoing,including further police investigations,since February 2015.

Given what I actually know,and what appears likely,I have been following this course of events closely,for the last three years.

And,very little that has surfaced in the news,as a consequence,has been a surprise to me.

Naturally,no arrest will be attempted,until public prosecutors are confident that a favourable conviction,can be obtained.

In theory,it is possible that prosecutors will not find themselves,in a favourable position.But at least I now know that ''they'' know who ''dunnit''.

My current estimates are,that they will make an arrest in,anywhere between 4 months and two years time.But,unfortunately,''never'' remains possible.

It seems to me,at this time,that ''they'' would still like more circumstantial evidence....more particularly witness testimony.''That'' can be difficult,with a number of years having elapsed.

But the opportunity is there,and I believe that the ''direct'' evidence is already ''in the bag''.

Fingers crossed.

Corey Hagler
7/11/2018 11:09:37 am

Rubislaw22,

That is is very interesting, I never heard that they were investigating anyone with that much interest. The Zodiac would have to be in his late 80’s and in decaying health. His message and motive from day one would be incredible to hear. I hope they are on to the right guy. I’ve spoken with many in different jurisdictions through the years and have never heard that they have a high and very good suspicion of a person of interest. Putting together the case against him would take DNA or a confession for sure. You’ve stirred a lot of curiosity in me today! I’m excited!

Sigmund
7/11/2018 04:46:40 pm

Oh for the love of....

Please remember to take everything you read on these forums with a grain of salt Corey! The garden path has become a favorite playground for some of its residents. ;-)

Rubislaw 32 link
7/11/2018 11:32:09 am

It's never my intention to sound ''sensationalist'',Corey,and I'm just dreading if the ''never'' comes about.

The judiciary have to play it ''straight as a die'',naturally,and can't afford to be shouldered with ''conscience''.

You sound as if you hold some connections with the police or law [?].

I have come to realise that these Departments of Justice,are ''hubs'' of secrecy.And,not much gets out to the cops on the ground,however senior they might be.

I have had a number of ''ins'' with the cops....usually no higher than a Detective Sergeant.One certainly gets a sense of the hierarchical structure of law enforcement,in general.....and it is more ''military'' in nature,than most imagine.A lot of ''obeying orders'',and not asking questions,above their rank,etc.

The ''area'' that I have had dealings with,has not come out of these investigations,without casualties.Perhaps,up to seventy resignations [!],in the last three years.

There really is so much,at stake,with even senior politicians protecting the judiciary,when they have to.The politicians,after all,have provided the funding of public monies....and they could be ultimately answerable,if it all goes ''pear shaped''.

Corey Hagler
7/11/2018 01:07:23 pm

I have several friends in law enforcement in the Bay Area. Retirees from VPD ,a couple with SFPD, Benicia and Solano Co. The evidence against Zodiac is slim to nothing. Unlike these fabulous groups (Zodiacciphers) etc. which I’m extremely proud of, Law enforcement agencies around the area really can’t spend the time or really want to on the Zodiac. I’ve been told there’s 10 murders a week to deal with and the Zodiac is on the bottom. Most jurisdictions have a cold case department but they are swamped with other obligations. Movies like (2007 Zodiac) keep public interest alive however also flood the case with murky water which doesn’t help in the short term. What we as enthusiasts need to do is ask anyone who has a suspect to document conversations and write down your thoughts and descriptions of the house or room or what you see in a room. ( law enforcement can not use private pictures) . If by chance anyone can get DNA and sit on it until the technology or substantial discovery has been made and then approach the law. That is the only way they will listen and I understand that.

Tom
7/14/2018 05:52:15 am

I am determined to not get hung up in the weed patch, but what investigations could result in seventy resignations? Where can I get info on the “2002 scandal”?
Thanks, TM

Rubislaw 32 link
7/14/2018 06:22:26 am

The ''2002 Scandal'' is an invention,Tom....therefore does not exist,apart from Mr.''Mike R's'' reference to it.

What he is actually referring to,is the decision by the FBI and CA DOJ,to publicly eliminate some official suspects,with the forensic evidence,from aspects of the Zodiac case,that they had gleaned.

This was at the request of President George W Bush,following a plea,by Zodiac investigator,Lyndon Lafferty.

Since,one of the official suspects to be eliminated,was Mr.X,then ''Mike R'' has jumped on to any hearsay,that the eliminations were not ''safe''.Naturally,with his book just out,which accuses Mr.X of being the Zodiac.

At no time,have the authorities disowned their findings,in 2002....and yet there remain a few Zodiac site contributors,such as ''Mike R'',that peddle the notion that,somehow,the 2002 eliminations don't count.

Because it suits their agendas.

Mere propagation and perpetuation of a myth.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/14/2018 06:41:33 am

The seventy,or more resignations,Tom,refer to an uncovering of technically illegal spying,by a police force,on their own officers,suspected of ''whistleblowing'' to the press.

The bones of it,can be read,in a series if diaries I have posted,at zodiackillermystery.freeforums.net

It relates closely,to what I have referenced,as ''Operation Bynum''.

May I suggest that this is for reader's ''homework'',and ought not to be discussed too openly.

In other words ''Make of it what you wish'',since the whole process,is yet to be over.

But,there will no doubt be more posts from me.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/11/2018 02:07:48 pm

Very interesting,Corey,what you are able to tell us about the Bay Area police,and a realistic,but low morale on cold cases.

For all police forces around the world,it tends to be a case of ''last in,first out'' and ''first in,last out''.The majority of resources,for major crimes like murder,have to poured into the latest ''kill'',since time is usually of the essence,in solving a murder.

Perhaps,90% of crimes that are solved,are solved in the first 48 - 72 hours.

Then,cold cases can come down to extra funding,and if police forces can organise an efficient means of utilising extra part time staff,like retirees,for instance.

From what I have mentioned,the circumstances are slightly different,thankfully.Essentially,two teams of detectives,of about 35 in number each team,have been seconded,to a ''Department of Justice'',to work alongside a judicial cold case unit,already established.

So,little distraction,beyond a specific task in hand.

Huge extra investment from government funding,also.....and the very best forensic laboratory at their disposal.

But,even with all this,there are,of course,no guarantees.

Don't they call that ''The Human Factor'' [?].

Corey Hagler
7/11/2018 05:28:30 pm

Rubislaw32,

The case is still open in several counties. Over and over though I have learned that they need hard evidence and in the case of the zodiac at this point so late in the game it will take either a confession or DNA. The case is still open in several counties over and over though I have learned that they need hard evidence and in the case of the zodiac at this point so late in the game it will take either a confession or DNA. Many of the original detectives are passing away yearly. Which leaves the next generation of detectives to only go over their facts and findings. I’m still a firm believer that evidence of his lifestyle and hints to whom he was/ is are all in the letters he wrote. I think there is more to be found in his writings. Realistically we’re no farther along than they were 1970. Through avenues of like zodiacciphers and the hard work by Richard we are learning how the zodiac thought and especially how he liked to toy with his identity and the public. Lawn Forssman cannot spend a whole Lotta time and money on such an old cold case without something concrete. Maybe some of the cold case detectives might take it upon themselves to b lawn Forssman cannot spend a whole Lotta time and money on such an old cold case without something concrete. Maybe some of the cold case detectives might take it upon themselves to research the zodiac case as a hobby that’s an option. One of my close friends here in the Reno Nevada area was Reno’s fire chief for seven years. While he was chief he would get calls several times a week from people who knew something about a fire and how it started. He would follow up on some but others he could weed through by just a conversation on the phone.... that he said was tiresome. On a grander scale we have the Zodiac, what is it A L A..? A lot of people believe so and he passed away in 1992 and with him passing away went any hope of knowing for sure. There are several other excellent prospective suspects, so it is discouraging to think of the idea that he will never truly be identified. I enjoy the fact that everyone has their personal input and finds detective work interesting. If I recall correctly Richard has a friend who may have broke new ground with an additional discovery, the “my name is ” cypher and the three eights being billiard balls (8 balls) caught my attention big time! I’ve always believed that the zodiac was a hobbyist billiards player, he refers to torturing his slaves by making them play with crooked pool cues. .......That’s the kind of stuff that I don’t believe the original detectives caught onto. So 1969 you had several billiard houses in SF but only two were popular amongst the pros. Cochran’s and the Palace we’re both on Market Street....That has been a lead I have researched for several years.

Shawn
7/12/2018 07:18:22 am

Yea, I've heard the same things. The police want hard evidence such as guns, the hood or DNA. Without hard evidence they are not willing or have the time to do much.

They have lots on their plates as it is. As family members and victims of Zodiac die or get old there is less pressure for them to do anything.

I think it will take finding a needle in a Haystack field moment to solve the case.

Tom
7/14/2018 12:38:49 pm

Rubislaw 32, Thank you so much for the info. This stuff is hard enough to make sense of without even all the rabbit holes that these bloggers with an agenda try to lead us down. There is one big name out there that even contradicts himself without batting an eye.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/14/2018 01:27:53 pm

Sure Tom.''Zodiac in other countries'' is now a long read,after three years.But,I would suggest,worth it,to see another side of investigations,that appears to be emerging.

This includes Massachusetts,U.S.

Naturally,I know a bit more than I have written.But it would be irresponsible to be too open,while investigations remain ongoing.

There really are genuine chances,to bring ''our man'' down,but it's all in the hands of Departments of Justice.

Not ''provincial police forces'',as some might lead us to believe.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/11/2018 05:54:24 pm

Some fascinating and genuinely thought provoking points,Corey.

Indeed,we can rely on Richard to keep us on the straight and narrow,with ''theme''.....which I always see as primarily trying to understand the ''unidentified Zodiac''.

And that,naturally includes coming to grips with the content of his correspondences,as well as his physical crimes.

After about seven years of studying the Zodiac case,and a further three,investigating murders themselves,I do understand,to an extent,the sheer misery,that the Zodiac left behind,as his legacy.In the Bay Area generally,and how morale sapping it can become,for younger generations of law enforcement and emergency services...as well as,of course,the surviving bereaved of victims.

I have been careful not to name names,with regards more recent ''behind the scenes'' activity....which is,in the main part ''judiciary'' led,this time around....and won't be so obvious.

What I can do,as I have before,is offer you ''Operation Bynum'' as a tip reference.Then you might understand,that some of the extra assistance,is coming from further afield,than some realise.

No guarantees,as mentioned....but it has to be noted that,never has so much attention been placed on a single female prostitute,than.....well,Mary Magdalene ....and,strike me down,if I have sinned.

Corey Hagler
7/11/2018 06:20:10 pm

I will check into that. Before we get too far off the billiards approach my research has proven that a lot of the pros were headed West at that time approximately 20 to 25 professional billiards hustlers. I also learned that the hustlers life didn’t start until 2 AM and went into the wee hours of the morning if not into the daylight hours. After that they would go home rest a little bit and then off to the horse races they would wager their winnings and try to produce more income for the day. now by 1974 Cochran’s was closed down due to complaints of drug dealing being done there. In my opinion the drugs you had to choose from at that time we’re psychedelics, marijuana and ......Amphetamines. In Robert GraySmith’s book Zodiac (1986) he prints his conclusion and cypher cracking attempt to the 340 and mentions little white pills that the zodiac would eat when he got scared... (cross tops) dietary supplements were around since the 50’s... now if you run a pool hall and everyone begins there a day in the twilight hours of the morning what drug would help you accomplish your best game ????? Exactly! Again for 16 years I’ve believed that the unsolved 18 cypher at the bottom of the 408
EBEORIETEMETHPITI
Really Says OR I EAT METH PITI
Now using that and every bit I’ve learned through all of these different sites regarding the zodiac case and how intricate the zodiac was with how he worded things obviously the obvious isn’t what it is, but.. now using that and every bit I’ve learned through all of these different sites regarding the zodiac case and how intricate the zodiac was with how he worded things obviously the Obvious is just the tip of the iceberg. Although it was his first safer to the public, I’m not insinuating the zodiac was a weekend speed freak but again at this point I entertain all thoughts and keep an open mind because if the true zodiac played with semi professional and professional Pool Hoslers that’s a pretty Motley Crue!

Judith
7/11/2018 07:10:59 pm

That's exactly what I always thought it said at the end of the 408 "or I eat meth pity"

Corey Hagler
7/11/2018 07:53:40 pm

Judith,

First of all I apologize for the double commmenting, I’m on my IPhone and I think it’s hot.. 😊
I’ve always believed that the jibber jabber of some of the Zodiacs letters with what I’ve learned were meth induced. I’m sure he was smart enough to grow out of that era (he’s an educated man ) and produce the more definitive and clear letters. Let’s presume the Zodiac would commit the murders and go play pool??? Aliby! ... also Cochran’s and the Palace on Market St were 4-5 blocks from where Paul Stine was picked up. As for the 18 character cypher... I’m sure it’s much deeper than we think and Richard would be keener than me in that. (numerology, gematria) that kind of thing. If the letters were a sort of confession due the morning after??? We have to realize that the dietary supplements in 1969 or commercially produced were not even close to the Crystal meth underground labs produce in our day, so we don’t want to picture a really horrible looking user with sores on his face. Just my thoughts.

Corey Hagler
7/11/2018 08:01:27 pm

Sometimes I think he should have called himself “The Cutting Edge Killer” He thought he was so “ahead “ of everyone else and his time.

Judith
7/12/2018 07:08:40 am

Hi Corey so I do have a specific suspect Peter Plante about whom I've written a book. Peter is in the law enforcement Matrix for the Zodiac Killer and I have had contact with various law enforcement agencies. When I was married to him we lived in Contra Costa County. Back in the day Peter bragged about having ingested many different drugs and they called meth "speed" back then. By the time I married him in 1978 he was down to just drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes. They called Downers, Gorilla biscuits.
He claimed to have dropped over 100 hits of acid which is what they called LSD. He was from El Sobrante an area that was highly influenced by what was going on in San Francisco during the 1960's the young men were very into experimenting with drugs

Corey Hagler
7/12/2018 10:09:33 am

Judith,

What book have you written?
I have always had a suspicion that the zodiac used meth . It wasn’t until I discovered and researched more of the possible billiards background to the man. About 15 years ago I was convinced billiards were an Intercal part of the zodiacs life. in my mind I picture a man who is strong in mathematics so numbers and angles basically geometry were his strong points and I’m pretty sure that’s what attracted him to the game of billiards, I also believe the zodiac never was married or even had much of a dating life so being around A crowd of men who are up late into the early morning hours drinking, doing drugs playing pool, gambling that also was appealing to a man of his stature. If indeed the zodiac was a schoolteacher, which I believe also, that means he had two months of free time during the summer. I’m also convinced he was a horse gambler and that’s why he was in Southlake Tahoe where Donna Lass disappeared. Certainly a connection to billiards and a little white pills!

Corey Hagler
7/12/2018 10:17:39 am

Interesting also, I was born in Concord, California March 1969.

Corey Hagler
7/12/2018 02:38:30 pm

Judith,

I found your book, I will read it. I believe the Mikado to be another very influential and interesting side to the Zodiac also. Was your husband into that? I’d like to talk to you in depth.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/12/2018 09:32:44 am

Very interesting to hear about Peter's drug habits,Judith.

Perhaps an understatement to say that he overdid it ?

LSD could be a ''bad one'',never really knowing its quality,or strength.

''100 times'' for Peter.....wow ! And given his mental disposition [?].

Perhaps it was LSD that sent over the edge,in the first place.

Just look at musicians,like Brian Wilson and Peter Green.Both,more than likely ''casualties'' of LSD.Twenty years in the wilderness,and they have re-emerged,like Rip Van Winkle...but,really shells of their former selves.

I dropped it three times....and realised that the experience became boring,after a couple of hours....but you would have to put up with it,for,perhaps another 20 hours [!].

Much nicer,partaking in the ''odd spliff''.And on occasion,some speed in a car park,before you went on ''beer fest'',with your mates.The best about that,was you could drink so much more beer !

Just tea,and the odd tin of ''ready rubbed'' these days...sadly.

Jonathan Shire
7/12/2018 10:21:28 pm

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19FAHWTEZmi_qFAG7-0hEzt4YmSNXQebHVN6GfGBWxW0/edit?usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OSJcR1ntx4Px_nnfZ1OjMLd2JbguywQOxIJOqOWoYT4/edit?usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WNq8cpMPLzcybBWxxeyM3Y7cGNNrmo6k6D3wVYqWIe0/edit?usp=sharing

Judith
7/13/2018 06:50:06 am

Thank you Cory. Peter hit every bar in Vallejo and the East Bay regularly until after we married in 1978 So he was single and never lived with a female until our marriage. I was 19 years old fresh out of Sacramento Peter was 29. I thought he was King God. He would end up being kicked out of many bars. Great stories Claimed he spent so much money at Ed' s Bar at the Dam Rd Antler' s The Rancho, Mexican Villa, Melody Club the old Horseshoe By the way many of these little bars had adjacent liqour stores with those jokes greeting cards for sale. He was mathematically brilliant. He designed an engine which could run without gas. More mind games in the bars than Pool.

Jonathan Shire
7/13/2018 08:02:55 am

https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler

read these letters to John Edgar Hoover, i think you'l recognize some elements

Willard was a fan of Edgar Allan Poe, and would recite endless strings of poetry,

Jonathan Shire
7/13/2018 08:07:45 am

i realize that identifying the zodiac will demistify him and for anyone who has made a business on the zodiac mythology, that source of money is soon to be gone

Rubislaw 32 link
7/13/2018 09:15:19 am

I am all for ''demistifying'' of the Zodiac,Jonathan.

If one put all his correspondences together,they do,to an extent,resemble a comic book,or entertainment journal for adults.

Long tall stories,scary tales with threatening language,a jokes section,puzzles and riddles,and even unfathomable and funny illustrations.

This was the Zodiac pushing the persona,for which he wished to be perceived.

And,all too often,many fail to spot the dividing line,between fact and fiction,and fantasy and reality.

Once we see a miserable and sad elderly man ''in the dock'',the once shiny veneer,on evil,will have been removed.

The warped glamour,all gone.

Only crime historians,with hay to make.

Tom
7/14/2018 05:57:31 am

That is what I think are the clues to his identity, not any particular coded message, but a trail that leads directly to him. “Hiding in plain sight”.

Corey Hagler
2/23/2020 12:17:31 pm

I’d check into “The Raven”

Chad William Burke
3/19/2020 08:48:14 pm

Completely mirrors the S.D.L. response. Declines to give full name and uses two keys. In English and Latin.

Trick was treating the Taurus/circled 8 symbols as wildcards thus giving us two equal size 5 character keys.

My name is --

AEN⊕8K8M8λNAM
MEANOMMKENEMZ

MEA NOM M.K. E NEM Z
(MY NAME) (THE END)

Also 888 in English gematria.

Latin/English Latin
AENKM ⊕♉♉♉ λ
MEAMZ NOMEN
(I) (NAME)

Chad William Burke
5/20/2020 01:35:08 am

References the S.D.L. letter from Edgar Allen Poes a few words on secret writing. Possible initials.

My name is ---

AEN⊕♉K♉M♉λNAM
SDLLETERE⊕LSR

SDL LETERE ⊕ LSR

Chad William Burke
5/27/2020 01:44:54 pm

Please check immediately!

Code has 2 keys. One english one greek. Code is backwards.

MANλ♉M♉K♉⊕NEA
ANAHEAMCA⊕RHA

ANAHEAM CA ⊕ RHA

MANKE λ♉♉♉⊕
MARCH HEMA⊕

Chad William Burke
9/18/2020 07:19:13 am

Works by key phrases like the S.D.L response. Possible initials

My name is ----

AEN⊕♉K♉M♉λNAM
YERSTRULEAABA

YERS TRULEA A.B.A.

  🗝.                     🗝Latin
AENKM          ⊕♉♉♉λ
YERUL           STUDA
BYACA            PEREZ

YE RUL BY ACA
STUDA PER E Z - "STUDY BY THE Z"

And to think none of you even pretend I exist.


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    The Zodiac Killer may have given us the answer almost word-for-word when he wrote PS. The Mt. Diablo Code concerns Radians & # inches along the radians. The code solution identified was Estimate: Four Radians and Five Inches To read more, click the image.
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    The Zodiac Atlas: The Zodiac Killer Enigma by Randall Scott Clemons. Click image for details.
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    The Zodiac Killer Map: Part of the Zodiac Killer Enigma by Randall Scott Clemons. Click image for color version
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