THE CHANNEL 9 LETTER EXPLAINED

4/28/2020

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The Channel 9 letter was mailed to KHJ-TV Studios, 5615 Melrose Avenue in Los Angeles on May 2nd 1978. However, the envelope was misaddressed and should have been mailed to 5515 Melrose Avenue, which was the correct address of Channel 9 KHJ-TV, which sat right next to Paramount Studios located at 5555 Melrose Avenue. This area is just below the Hollywood Hills and iconic sign. 5515 Melrose Avenue is only 6 miles from 10050 Cielo Drive, where Sharon Tate (26) was brutally murdered by the Manson Family on August 9th 1969. On the night of August 8, 1969, Manson directed Watson to take Susan Atkins, Linda Kasabian, and Patricia Krenwinkel to Melcher's former home at 10050 Cielo Drive in Los Angeles and kill everyone there. The home had only recently been rented to actress Sharon Tate and her husband, director Roman Polanski.

The Channel 9 letter contained all the ingredients related to the map below. The letter threatened to kill Susan Atkins calling her the "Judas of the Manson Family" and threatening "Shes gona get hers now". She was present at 10050 Cielo Drive during the murder of Sharon Tate. The letter continued with "Hey - - - you actors - this is your lucky Break. Remember - whoever plays me has his work cut out for him". Unsurprising rhetoric from the Zodiac Killer (or copycat), bearing in mind the location of 5515 Melrose Avenue by Paramount Studios and the Hollywood Hills.

The author of the envelope wrote the reversed 1234567 A.G.C.G.T.H. (All Good Children Go To Heaven) on the envelope, taken from The Beatles You Never Give Me Your Money lyrics, as well as drawing the Apple logo from their record label in the bottom left corner. This was also written in blood on a door at the Manson Family Spahn Ranch at 12,000 Santa Susana Pass Road in the Simi Hills. Boxed off in the top left corner of the envelope, usually reserved for the sender's return address, were the reversed letters AIC. Bearing in mind the Zodiac Killer was active in California, and the Channel 9 envelope was postmarked Anaheim, California, the Zodiac Killer was probably telling us his return address was "ANAHEIM IN CALIFORNIA".

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Rubislaw 32 link

4/27/2020 05:34:38 pm

A nice presentation again Richard , and hopefully attract some more observations from your readers .

Anaheim is , of course , probably best known for being the home of '' Disneyland '' . Could be the Zodiac taking children out for the day , or holiday ( ? ) .

In alluding to the Spahn Ranch door ( charlesmanson.com ) again , the main door panel could be white or frosted glass . A few pieces of writing , including '' Helter Skelter '' ( I think that ended up on a fridge door at Sharon Tate's house ) , '' Happy '' , '' Nothingness '' , and '' Elvis '' .

Interesting , perhaps is '' EACE '' within a '' P '' - which , of course , indicates '' PEACE ''.

So , I wonder if '' AIC '' is supposed to be contained within an '' L '' - which would indicate '' LAIC '' , which means '' Layman ''.

Just a thought , as an alternative to '' Anaheim in California '' .

Or , '' Los Angeles in crisis '' ( ? ) - given some of the Zodiac's scathing remarks , in his letter .

Rubislaw 32 link

4/27/2020 06:31:51 pm

The '' Helter Skelter '' door , at the Spahn Ranch is really worth a close examination . By May 1978 , the Zodiac would undoubtedly be aware of a photograph image of it . Iconic '' overnight '' ( ? ) .

Access charlesmanson.com , then '' Helter Skelter '' in the '' Theories '' section .

Richard

4/27/2020 11:35:33 pm

Another curiosity, albeit likely unintentional, is Manson's 1956 booking photo.

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 05:19:36 am

Are you able to describe more , what the 1956 booking photo is , Richard ?

On consideration , it's obvious of course , that the Spahn Ranch door is an influence , by virtue of the chorus to '' You never give me your money '' ( ...and surely must have been a fan of Abbey Road , which was released in October 1969 ..) .

I note that on that door , also is the logo for the band '' Love '' who , in 1967 , released the iconic album '' Forever Changes '' . Now , along with it's iconic song '' Alone again or '' ...and '' You never give me your money ''......and an apparent '' day out with children at Disneyland ''....and the fact that Zodiac was intent to remind us that he was back....and all the '' bluster '' contained in this May 1978 letter , as well as that that constituted the contents of the April 1978 and July 1978 letters...

In this 1978 year , are we seeing a Zodiac , actually feeling down on his luck and desperately sad inside ( ? ) , attempting to claw back some of the importance and worth that he felt inside , when he seemed to have the Bay area at his mercy , in 1969 and 1970 .

Are we seeing a family man, with young children , going through the personal crisis of a divorce and family break-up ( ? ) .

And , the best that the Zodiac can come up with , is take it out on others , in a similar '' losing '' situation , like Toschi and Gates .

'' Displacement '' behaviour from the Zodiac , clamouring to be the feared and respected foe , that he once was ( ? ) .

Richard

4/28/2020 05:37:09 am

I have considered Zodiac a Beatles fan, probably more their later material. The reference to You never give me your money and the Blue Meannies reference in 1971. The booking mugshot of Manson in 1956 was dated May 2nd. Nothing major, just another one of those strange oddities. It will have no bearing on the mailing of this letter, but thought I'd mention it.

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 05:54:06 am

Well that certainly is interesting , given that it is a precise anniversary , as such ( May 2nd ) .

As with the song on the Yellow Submarine album , '' It's all too much '' , there is a veritable '' lorry load '' full of reasons and references , indicating that the Zodiac was constantly being influenced by Beatles lyrics ''swirling around '' in his head .

I would say this , of course , given that I claim to see them in his ciphers and cryptograms , also . '' I am the walrus '' in the San Jose Cryptogram ; '' Golden Slumbers '' in Z340 ; '' Dig it '' in Z32....to name just three .

The truth will come to pass eventually , and the reason why a police chief ,in charge of 24,000 core officers was hounded out of office - Z340 .

Now, that's really being almost as cryptic.....as the Zodiac, himself !!

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 09:56:13 am

April 25th 1978 represents a watershed , in Zodiac correspondences , since it is the last that official law enforcement were willing to share with the public , their opinions on authenticity , with respect to his letters .

After April 25th 1978 , we the public , are in the dark .

Given retrospectively , the impact of Robert Graysmith's book '' Zodiac '' , published in January 1986 ,and a message to the Zodiac , himself , that history would not forget him , and with the extra bolster that might to give to his , the Zodiac's confidence , then it might be a good idea to take a look at what is believed to be '' before Graysmith '' , and '' after Graysmith '' :

April 24th 1978
May 2nd 1978
July 19th 1978

March 8th 1981

GRAYSMITH

May 6th 1986

October 28th 1987

April 13th 1988
April 21st 1988

September 25th 1990
December ?? 1990

Richard

4/28/2020 10:44:27 am

Surprisingly there were several articles on the 1987 letter, in which law enforcement and handwriting experts gave their opinions on the correspondence, all deeming it a copycat. There was however no coverage of the 1986 letter despite it linking to two murders. I am assuming they never bothered to look for a connection, because a simple phone call to Sacramento PD would have revealed the murders on the freeway - yet absolutely nothing. Now of course we have the Ray Davis connection and everybody is pissing their pants with excitement. Like I have said before, both significant finds, but only one makes the headlines. You don't have to be Einstein to work out why. But there is one crucial difference regarding the 1986 and 1987 letters - one was mailed to the Chronicle, who are a big enough publication to pick and choose the stories they run and have likely become tired of Zodiac copycats - or so they thought. The Vallejo Times-Herald probably regarded this as a bigger scoop than its neighbour. Remember, two 1987 letters were mailed, one to the Chronicle and one to the Vallejo Times, and only the Herald ran theirs. My guess is that both 1987 letters carried a similar message, just like the 1969 letters. But what I don't understand, is why seemingly the 1986 and 1987 letters were either dismissed out of hand, or not investigated in any depth. Why would law enforcement pay any attention to the murder of Ray Davis with respect to Zodiac, committed in 1962 with two bullets as evidence from a taxicab murder, if they weren't prepared to pay the slightest bit of attention to two murders in 1986 with 30 pieces of ballistics evidence. The only reason they didn't investigate these murders with respect to Zodiac, is they just assumed the letter was a hoax, or never made the connection via the letter, which is difficult to believe. It appears that letters from later years (subsequent to 1978) were automatically disregarded, with handwriting analysis always cited as the reason. Anything that arrived subsequent to 1978 seemed to travel straight through the inbox into the litter tray, mothballed as a hoax. I hope that I can get my hands on that 1987 envelope - if it says Herold, it's a deal breaker for me. But to be honest Rubislaw, I have pretty much closed the book on the 1986 and 1987 letters. They are Zodiac, I have no doubt.

Sharon link

6/27/2024 05:36:15 pm

In 1985 he bought 2 trailers, he lived in them. He was married and had a daughter. Ask Mr Rubinslaw, we found it together. he moved to aZERBAIJANI in 75, That is what the traqnslations are, they arent ciphers. Z13 is Hindii, Z32 is Teluga, Z340 is Tamil, Z408 is Afrikaans, Z18 is Afrikaans, they are all solved now.. Takes a little over an hour or just send to an arabic translation co. Or solve yourself with ghoole translator. .

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 10:23:55 am

It might take a bit of time , before the impact of the '' Graysmith phenomenon '' starts to take a hold of the Zodiac , albeit delighted at the '' novelty '' of a new following , in 1986 .

What I am suggesting is that , a run in to circa 1981 , the Zodiac is full of bluster , to conceal deep unhappiness , and desperation for recognition to wake people up again , to who he , at least , saw in himself .

Then , circa 1986 , and five years on , the threats remain , but underpinned by a self-confidence returned .

Did that five years , 1981-1986 , represent a turnaround in fortunes for the Zodiac , in his private life ( ? ) .

Perhaps the end of one marriage , and the beginning of another .

An ''old'' family unit '' dissolved '' , and a fresh start in life , for the Zodiac .

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 10:33:04 am

...and to think , in all probability , the Zodiac had dispensed with puzzles and ciphers , by mid - 1971 , and a last ditch effort , to claim for Karl Werner's crimes , with Z148 .

But , that extra dimension of mischievousness , the cipher or cryptic puzzle , even returned in 1988 or 1990 .

A probable 17 year gap .

Richard

4/28/2020 10:59:27 am

There are three connections from the Channel 9 letter to the Atlanta letter, although not substantial. Both carried the "Symbols of America" stamps, both were mailed to TV stations (KHJ-TV and WXIA-TV), and both had similar phraseology, particularly in the first 3 words of each letter (omitting the Zodiac introduction). The Channel 9 letter stated "You people in L.A. are in for a treat", while the Atlanta letter stated "Haven't you people figured out who is killing these little people". The May 2nd and July 19th 1978 letters are bound by the "Symbols of America" stamps and the fact they were both mailed from Los Angeles. What if the July 19th letter was also mailed from Anaheim?

Richard

4/28/2020 11:47:34 am

A postcard had been mailed to police sometime in 1977, postmarked Atlanta and with the wording "You never did catch the guy who killed that c-- t in the library".

On November 28th 1994, exactly 25 years after the Betsy Aardsma murder, an employee of the library found a candle had been lit and placed in the location of the murder, along with some contemporary newspaper clippings of her murder. A message written on the floor using a red marker pen read "RIP Betsy Aardsma, born July 11th 1947, died November 28th 1969. I'm back."
Another memorial in similar bad taste, again with strewn newspaper clippings, was discovered near the 30th anniversary of her death in 1999.

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 02:47:39 pm

That's certainly possible , Richard , on the July 19th 1978 , posted from Anaheim ,also .

What I am finding it difficult to get out of my mind are two , '' beyond reasonable doubt '' ' s on the Channel 9 envelope of May 2nd 1978 :

i ) That the Zodiac was quite open about his Spahn Ranch door allusion .

ii ) That the Zodiac deliberately posted the letter from Anaheim , knowing that '' Disneyland '' would immediately light up , in criminologists' minds .

A paedophile on the loose ( ? ) - is what the Zodiac wanted , to strike subliminal fear . But , retrospectively at least , all these references the Zodiac ever made , to kids and kiddies , was just a '' buy in '' to the power of fear instilled into adults , by the tale of the pied piper of Hamlyn . That the Zodiac posed the constant threat that he might decide to take their children away from them .

But , Zodiac of course , never was a paedophile , beyond reasonable doubt . '' Anaheim '' and its associations with Disneyland , would strike the biggest fear of all - ironically , just the postmark alone .

Sharon link

6/27/2024 05:30:33 pm

Mr Rubinslaw:In line 5 of Z340 he also said in Tamil, I am leaving "you people with " You people can be said many ways, but he chose to use the same verbiage as before. And also besides that, he used to live in Anaheim.
It would not surprise me if also the Zodiac.

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 02:54:33 pm

....But further to this , perhaps , what the Zodiac didn't realise was , that questions might be asked , now ( ...at that time..) , whether the Zodiac hadn't actually had children of his own , as a good excuse to post the letter from Anaheim .

For , how many adults would visit Disneyland , if they didn't have children ( ? ) - without fear of being noticed , as a bit '' weird '' .

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 03:17:21 pm

On a general point about the July 19th 1978 letter....

It has always been a generally held belief that the Zodiac was a '' mover '' and traveller . If only , mostly in the State of California . And , if anyone buys into a Tahoe link , it is mostly on the basis of the Zodiac taking a few days to holiday , with a bit of recreational gambling perhaps ....as one example .

When the ( presumed ) July 19th 1978 letter was received ,criminologists may well have had '' a look around '' at the crime landscape , to examine any recent murders committed .

It seems to me that , until recent years , criminologists weren't really considering that the Zodiac might have been , a '' world traveller '' ( ? ) . And , what I infer is , that the Lord Advocate's decision , in February of 2015 , to ask for a re-investigation of the murder of Brenda Page was , in part , because of the '' awakening'' to the Zodiac , as a possible international traveller .

Recent news of Dr.Page's husband's arrest , is good on its own , But , might bear fruits , in the case of the Zodiac , also .

Richard

4/28/2020 03:32:17 pm

You did mention Lewis Carroll. "Celebrated practitioners include Lewis Carroll, who experimented with spatial as well as logical inversions, and was a skilled mirror-writer. Amongst the 100,000 letters that he wrote were a series of ‘looking glass letters, designed to be read in a mirror. Mirror-writing also appears in his stories and poems. In Through the Looking-Glass one of Alice’s first discoveries is a book printed in mirror-script."

Lynette Alice "Squeaky" Fromme.
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Richard

4/28/2020 03:34:54 pm

I bet there is a logical answer for AIC in reverse. Something like reverse address or send "back" to.

Toots

5/1/2020 10:21:24 am

Send back to the CIA

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 03:39:58 pm

And yes Richard , I certainly take your points on the 1986 and 1987 letters and , am 90% in favour of them being Zodiac authentic .

If we look over the history of the high-profile unconfirmed correspondences , there is often a '' pessimistic '' caveat added to the emergence of a letter or card . As with the 1987 letter , the 1990 Celebrity Cipher emerged without its picture ; the Eureka Card was purportedly uncovered '' by accident '' ; the New Canaan letters emanated from a '' genius of minor age '' ; the 2001 New Years Card , we were immediately informed , was '' not likely to have been authentic '' , and yet transparency hasn't stretched as far as allowing us to see all of it ; the 1987 letter is as clear as day , and yet the its envelope is '' clouded in mist ''.

The list goes on , including all the '' jiggery pokery '' with the 1974 letters .

All those correspondences , after April 1978...or even March 1971 , we should really accept....and then find good reasons to reject ( ? ).

For , its fairly obvious that the '' authorities '' have leaked correspondences , on the basis that they want feedback from the amateur sleuths .Either they are genuinely unsure , or they are sure about them , but want more input .

But the '' public relations '' messages , both subliminal and articulated in the open....are strange , to say the least .

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 05:04:27 pm

Yes, the Betsy Aardsma library message , November 28th 1994 , and thanks for reminding us , Richard .

The Zodiac , a compulsive library visitor ( ? ) , as well as letter writer .
The '' Stamford '' posting of the New Canaan letters , doesn't look like a coincidence , either , for college and university libraries seem , even more the case ( ? ) . That , on his travels , the Zodiac often seems to have made a point of checking out the local well known university and its library .

Well , I make it no secret that I believe that the Lord Advocate started with '' three '' - Joan Webster , Brenda Page and Emma Caldwell .

And , with the greatest respect to those poor souls , for the purposes
of crime solving , one academic , one '' lady of the road '' , and one with both '' attributes '' .

And I will say , in addition that , as I claim , a certain '' Mr.Comey '' was there at the start , to assist '' His noble worship '' .

Plus , the Zodiac's crime '' scrapbook '' must have been pretty '' weighty '' , to the point where one feels that he never read a newspaper , without having a pair of scissors handy ( ? ) .

Toots

5/1/2020 10:29:12 am

My bet is that Z was having some fun with the "Penn" name association of;
- Betsy Aardsma - Penn State Univ.
- Pen Knife used in some Z homicides
- Pen writings
- Hugh Scott Penn - CA DOJ
- William Penn Patrick - plane crash
- Zodiac childhood state - Penn

Toots

5/1/2020 10:41:30 am

Rubislaw,
Do you believe that Comey moved all the files to Lord Advocate, or was it a copy that was given? I think you comprehend what I am inferring...would any additional FOIA requests on Z to FBI turn up nothing now?

Rubislaw 32 link

5/1/2020 12:36:00 pm

Eve Carson's letter received from Jonathan Blodgett , DA of Essex County , MA was received around March 10th , though dated a week earlier , indicating some sort of timing was going on , in the transfer , to be with '' other cases from the same era '' .

On a guess I would think that any related forensics would have been transferred , as well . If Scotland , then Gartcosh ; if USA , then Quantico .But regardless , the FBI would continue , on responsibility alone , to be informed of any developments .

Rubislaw 32 link

5/1/2020 12:43:30 pm

Yes , any FOIA requests would normally be refused , on the basis of '' ongoing investigations '' . Although sometimes , special dispensation might be made , for those of '' verified family status '' .And , I believe that Eve Carson has received a few details of claimed information , since March 2015 .

Those details might be genuine , or might be to keep her lawyers satisfied . Difficult to tell the difference , given the circumstances .

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 07:52:20 pm

In examining the contents of the May 2nd letter , the Zodiac threw in the '' Black Power '' card with Eldrige Cleaver . The '' humiliate the cops '' card with Ed Davis and Darryl Gates , over COINTELPRO . And , threw in the '' Pseudo Religion '' card with Pat Boone , and a possible giveaway that the Zodiac had been to the '' rest of the world '' , to testify that Pat Boone was seen as '' The singing lay preacher '' .Then a Manson reference , with Susan Atkins , that tied in with the Zodiac's Spahn Ranch door allusion on the envelope .

Same old '' Zodiac '' ? So it would seem . But the real threat , largely subliminal , for which the Zodiac allowed the U.S. postal service , to deliver of their own accord : Anaheim and by inference , '' Disneyland '' - the threat to the children , was back on the table .

Rubislaw 32 link

4/28/2020 09:35:27 pm

Interesting ?

The Honda Center is an indoor arena , located at Anaheim , and built in 1993 at a cost of $ 241 million . It is home to the Anaheim Ducks Ice Hockey team , who play in the Ice Hockey National League .

( Bearing in mind , the Zodiac's comments in the 2001 New Years Card . )

Toots

4/30/2020 07:43:11 pm

In 1969, murder victim Reet Jurvetson lived in a an apartment located at 5311 Melrose Ave., #306 in Hollywood, CA. She wrote a postcard to her parents with that return address. The apartment backed up to the Paramount Studios.

Richard

4/30/2020 11:52:57 pm

That is interesting news Toots, bearing in mind the November 21st 1969 letter and the victim 8 claim. The Hollywood connection is certainly there again.. Nice find.

Toots

5/1/2020 04:59:15 am

The "malibu beach" postcard written to Reet's parents (presumably from Reet) was mailed on 10/31/1969, two weeks before she died. It was written in her native language, Estonian. It was a simple message. Reet moved to LA to follow a boy she met in Canada named "Jean/John". Was this postcard not written by Reet? It would be pretty easy to find an Estonian dictionary in a library.

Years later, Jurvetson’s older sister Anne found a stack of birthday cards in her mother’s dresser, each one made out to Jurvetson, with a question mark next to her name. Now that's weird!! Were those birthdays cards mailed to her mother by someone? I can't imagine a grieving mother writing a "?" next to the name of her missing daughter.

Richard

5/1/2020 05:19:01 am

Have you got a link to this information Toots.

Richard

5/1/2020 06:01:22 am

I think Reet's mother was writing birthday cards to her missing daughter and placing a question mark next to her name as a sort of "where are you and are you still alive" statement. I don't think they are anything sinister, moreover a distraught mother with question marks on her daughter's absence. Reet's mother was simply marking her daughter's birthday each year with a sense of unknowing. The most likely candidates for her murder is somebody connected to the Manson family, or this "missing" Jean, who inexplicably vanished.

Rubislaw 32 link

5/1/2020 05:30:18 am

Yes , certainly interesting , with the Melrose Ave address , Toots .

Those that take an extra interest in the so-called ''unconfirmed '' correspondences , are getting used to the notion that the ( presumed ) Zodiac always had crimes '' up his sleeve '' to refer to...but sometimes in more subliminal manner .

'' Tantalisation '' did appear to be a tool of deliberate choice for the Zodiac . That , perhaps , what he left behind in his '' clews '' would keep us busy , and cause us to be confounded by his fleeting presence.....

Until the next time .

Toots

5/1/2020 05:30:32 am

Here's a bunch of links;

https://macewen2013.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/a-hell-of-a-hoax-part-13-jane-doe-59/

https://medium.com/@kympasqualini/it-took-50-years-to-identify-murder-victim-reet-jurvetson-manson-link-af52389483b7

http://reetjurvetson.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Reet_Jurvetson

Toots

5/1/2020 06:35:01 am

A pair of black glasses (for near nearsightedness) was found near Reet's body.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/reet-jurvetson-investigation-glasses-1.3850542

Now where have I see a pair of glasses like this before??

Rubislaw 32 link

5/1/2020 09:03:33 am

Interesting again , toots , on the pair of spectacles found . Similarly , in the Tate murders , a pair were found by her front door - purportedly belonging to Robert Linkletter , son of Hollywood correspondent and entertainer , Art Linkletter .

Speculation only , but some reports at the time , believe that Robert Linkletter and Charles Manson visited the crime scene , later on that night , when Manson heard what had taken place .

Because the prosecution , in the Tate murders , believed that they had Manson '' banged to rights '' for complicity in the Tate murders , they elected not to introduce the spectacles as evidence ,for fear of confusing the jury . Hence, Robert Linkletter was never arrested for complicity in the murders , himself .

But , so it might seem , Robert Linkletter became a sometime suspect in the Zodiac case . Linkletter died in an automobile accident , in 1980 .

Toots

5/1/2020 10:33:36 am

Z leaving glasses at the door or a guy whose last name was, "Link Letter"? Wow, he was certainly giving clues to murders and letters that should be linked.

Rubislaw 32 link

5/1/2020 12:56:50 pm

To be frank ,its highly unlikely that the Zodiac was either involved in Tate or Jurvertson murders ( ? ) .

The implication , as inferred is that he , the Zodiac , referred to a '' crime scrapbook '' that he kept , for the purposes of creating red herring ''clews '' , in his correspondences .

But , anything interpreted by criminologists , would not be dismissed out of hand and , to an extent , be checked up on .

Rubislaw 32 link

5/1/2020 09:19:14 am

...in fact , I had wondered , and particularly looking at the zip code 90038 on this May 2nd letter , whether , in view of the '' 9 '' of the zip code more resembling a '' g '' , that the Zodiac had deliberately made the zip code to resemble a pair of spectacles .

Albeit granted , a slightly obscure observation ( ? ) .

Richard

5/1/2020 10:43:30 am

Did you know that the Beatles comedy film "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" was released on April 21st 1978, eleven days before this 'Beatles styled' letter. Helter Skelter is referenced in the film.

Rubislaw 32 link

5/1/2020 01:32:00 pm

Certainly interesting information ,Richard , given that '' Helter Skelter '' is synonymous with the Tate murders and its presumed motivational expression with Manson who , was known to be blown away with the Beatles' White Album .

There were a number of '' Death to Pigs '' or similar '' blood '' graffiti found at both the Tate and LaBianca crime scenes . And , ''Helter Skelter '' on a white goods item ( probably a fridge ) at Sharon Tate's house , specifically .

For the purposes of examination of the Zodiac's May 2nd letter , it would appear that the '' You never give me your money '' chorus is key to a message , for which the Zodiac wished to convey and , held a link to the Spahn Ranch door (..which also contained '' Helter Skelter ''...) .

'' One , two , three, four , five , six , seven - all good children go to heaven ''...and this tallies with the Anaheim postmark , indicating that the letter was deliberately posted from the Disneyland theme park .

Richard

5/1/2020 01:41:49 pm

The implication of targeting children is certainly there from the envelope Rubislaw. The "Anaheim in California" (possibly) next to the AGCGTH addition, certainly is an ominous thought, bearing in mind Disneyland. The letter then focuses on his little list.

Rubislaw 32 link

5/2/2020 03:32:34 am

Anaheim was known ,up to the 1950's , for citrus fruit farming , but became swallowed up by the need for urban expansionism as part of Greater Los Angeles , and Disneyland was established in 1955 .

Since 1924 , it has been known for its Halloween Parade , often called '' The greatest night of pageant , West of the Mardi Gras '' .

Rubislaw 32 link

5/2/2020 06:02:28 am

The only survivor of the Tate murders , was Sharon's pet Yorkshire Terrier , '' Prudence '' , who was found hiding in a closet , by first investigating officers in the morning , following the housekeeper's horrendous discovery ( strange how the caretaker , next door , missed everything ? Even with Tex Watson discharging many bullets . ).Strangely or not , my Yorkshire Terrier , '' Prudence '' died three months ago , peacefully , aged 17 .Only , with respect to the song '' Dear Prudence '' , from the White Album .

That White Album seemed to have an extraordinary cultural affect on people .

Rubislaw 32 link

5/2/2020 06:18:33 am

It could well be that any links , that Zodiac investigators , believed might be with the Tate murders , were pinned on Robert Linkletter , as a suspect ( ? )

If and when Linkletter was cleared , the criminal possibilities were severed , and with the arrival of the May 2nd letter , criminologist knew already , beyond reasonable doubt , that the Zodiac was just '' playing the Manson card '' , from the outset .

Rubislaw 32 link

5/2/2020 07:04:07 am

I've looked at that zip code ( 90038 ) again closely , Richard , and believe that this is what happened :

The Zodiac may have written : Los Angeles 100

Now , was he deliberately being extra mischievous , and intending to write : Los Angeles 10050 ( ? )

Then thought better of it ,and reverted to completion with the correct zip code , and as if to disguise his initial intention , then made that '' 1 '' into a '' g '' to emphasise that he had never intended to be mischievous , in the first place ( ? ) .

And so , the zip code became '' g0038 '' .

Rubislaw 32 link

5/2/2020 07:13:36 am

....and indeed , on a close-up of the apple , bottom left-hand corner of the envelope , it could be that the Zodiac had , initially , written a Zodiac cross hairs symbol . Then thought better of it , and made the symbol into a small '' Beatles '' apple .

Thereby , leaving the surprise of a Zodiac signing , for the letter , alone .

Rubislaw 32 link

5/2/2020 08:41:46 am

Well , well ....here's a strange story (...titters are allowed..)

When hairstylist Jay Sebring and Sharon Tate lived together they had a Yorkshire Terrier who , was sadly run over , by accident , when Sebring returned home from work , one day .

When Roman Polanski married Sharon Tate , and being away much of the time , bought Sharon a Yorkshire Terrier puppy , for company , and this puppy they called '' Prudence '' . As mentioned , '' Prudence'' survived Sharon's tragic night .

In 2003 , a man (...we'll call him Mr.Z...) bought a Yorkshire Terrier puppy , he called '' Prudence '' . Then , he bought a Whippet . He liked the Whippet , and wanted another one .

My late mother had kept Yorkshire Terriers for much of her life ,and around that time , had just lost one to old age . Mr.Z knew of my mother , and had heard of her recent loss , and decided to ask her , if she would like to adopt '' his'' Yorkshire Terrier , ''Prudence '' . My mother was delighted to accept , with no '' puppy training '' necessary .

So , my mother kept '' Prudence '' , as a gift from Mr.Z , until her death , in 2011 .

When my mother passed away . no other members of my immediate family wanted '' Prudence '' , so I decided to adopt her , and kept her , until her recent death from old age .

So , '' my Prudence '' was originally bought by Mr.Z , and named by him .

Just as '' Sharon Tate's Prudence '' was originally bought by Roman Polanski , and named by him .

In both cases , after the song '' Dear Prudence '' , from the Beatles' White Album .

Stranger than fiction ?

Richard

5/2/2020 10:02:51 am

A heartwarming story of Prudence Rubislaw, with a sinister backstory maybe. You are quite the romantic at heart, who trails serial killers in his spare time. But yes, the apple logo does appear to have writing in its core. I have blown it up and it could pass for crosshairs covered over.

Take a look at the Melvin Belli letter Rubislaw, the "9" on the May 2nd 1978 envelope (90038) looks exactly like the "g" of Mtgy, along with the handwriting between both envelopes.

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5/2/2020 02:01:11 pm

I didn't realise the '' g '' link with Mtgy , Richard .

Indeed , the apple could have been a second choice , to cover a small cross hair symbol . If so , it tends to indicate the '' Beatle-izing '' of the envelope , was a final decision , by the Zodiac , including the diagonal '' 123467 AGCGTH ! '' , which is a '' Manson / Beatles '' symbol really ( ? ) .Strange how the Zodiac still got the number '' 7 '' wrong , as a mirror image ( ? ) .

This is 99% Zodiac authentic , to me , with the postmark '' decision '' a proof , as such .

( Well , arguably the greatest romantic of all , Lord Byron went to school , within 50 yards of where I live now , so maybe some of it rubs off ( ? ) . I only found out to-day about the Sharon Tate / Prudence link , so a bit in shock , on coincidence . )

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5/2/2020 09:02:10 am

....here's the thing...did Mr.Z actually call my Yorkshire Terrier , after Sharon Tate's '' Prudence '' ?

Richard

5/2/2020 10:04:55 am

Was Kjell Qvale's dog called Prudence as well. Now that would be a story.

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5/2/2020 02:12:40 pm

That's interesting . His dalmation was called Jack , I believe .

From the song '' Dear Prudence '' , Prudence refers to Prudence Farrow , a life-long mystic and meditation guru , and sister of actress , Mia Farrow . In 1968 , Roman Polanski directed the film '' Rosemary's baby '' , starring Mia Farrow . So , possibly Polanski knew Prudence , through MIa ( ? ) .

Paul McCartney wrote two songs about his dogs - '' Martha my Dear '' , from the White Album . And , '' Jet '' . John Lennon wrote '' Dear Prudence '' about Prudence Farrow , who '' wouldn't come out to play '' .

Richard

5/2/2020 02:21:19 pm

Charles Manson had an easy explanation for why he ordered the deaths of the family of Leno LaBianca and residents at Sharon Tate’s house at the hands of his “Family”: “It’s the Beatles, the music they’re putting out,” he told the district attorney who sent him to death row. “These kids listen to this music and pick up the message. It’s subliminal.In Manson’s mind, benign songs like “Blackbird,” “Piggies” and, most prominently, “Helter Skelter,” foretold a bloody, apocalyptic race war. But when the battle never began, he decided to kick-start it with the murders."

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/charles-manson-how-cult-leaders-twisted-beatles-obsession-inspired-family-murders-107176/

In Manson’s mind, The Beatles’s songs included a number of coded messages and hidden meanings. Manson wasn’t alone in finding hidden – often non-intended or non-existent – meanings in The Beatles’ songs.

Richard

5/2/2020 02:25:14 pm

While Manson stood trial for the Tate-LaBianca murders in late July 1970, two people were murdered and one injured in an attack on a beach near Santa Barbara, California. A female member of the Family later referred to this incident as “‘Maxwell’s Silver Hammer’”.

These murders can be found on this site - July 4th 1970.

Maxwell’s Silver Hammer’, a jaunty McCartney-penned song about a homicidal maniac, was considered by its author to be a potential Beatles single. Instead it ended up as a track on the group’s 1969 album Abbey Road.

https://www.beatlesbible.com/features/charles-manson/

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5/2/2020 02:40:57 pm

Fascinating about the '' Maxwell's Silver Hammer '' connection , Richard . That Abbey Road album has '' You never give me your money '' , also . On addition , '' Because '' which appears three times , in the Z148 solution . Also '' Sun King '', with a possible link to '' R.A '' ( Richard Adler ( ? ) - Marian Grant's psychiatrist ) . Also '' Oh Darling '' , that sounds just like '' Oh Darlene '' . Also '' Golden Slumbers '' , which I believe is inferred , as a cryptic clue , in the solution to the Z340 cipher .

Also '' Polythene Pam ''....now then , I wonder if that is what the Zodiac thought of Darlene's closest sister ( ? ) .

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5/2/2020 02:31:11 pm

Now , did I tell you about the time I met Paul McCartney ?

But , that's taking things too far , perhaps ( ? ) .

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5/2/2020 02:55:40 pm

Just to fill in the dots , if any of your readers are interested.....yes I met Sir Paul in Rye ,Sussex , where he has a weekend retreat .

He mistook me for a tabloid photographer , on account of having a fancy camera .His wife at the time , Heather , stood her ground because she thought there was going to be an argument .

But we sorted it out quickly , had a chat , and he thanked me for not taking his and his wife's picture .

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5/2/2020 03:11:27 pm

....at the time , I was actually taking pictures of gravestones , in a church yard .

An '' Eleanor Rigby '' link , there ( ? ) .

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5/2/2020 07:41:20 pm

Three further Beatles songs , subliminally alluded to in the May 2nd letter ( ? ) :

Revolution No.9 ( The Channel Station )
Piggies ( Darrel Gates & Ed Davis )
Hey Jude ( Susan Atkins )

Richard

5/3/2020 03:53:32 am

Will You Die For Me? The Man Who Killed For Charles Manson Tells His Own Story Hardcover – January 1, 1978
by Charles "Tex" Watson

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5/3/2020 04:13:52 am

Thanks for the Tex Watson reference , Richard .

When reads up on even a semblance of what happened , that night , at 10050 Cielo Drive , it is rare to find anything more shocking than Watson's behaviour and role , in those events .

Those murders completed ,would not have been possible without Watson's cunning and cold-heartedness , and its difficult to see anyone, such as Watson , ever being '' redeemable '' in the penal system .

If any , more particular Watson , are ever to have a chance at parole , even as elderly and pathetic creatures , their lawyers ought to tell them to get off this '' drugs '' mitigation horse , for which they have always stood by .

As active young individuals , even high , they still had all their physical attributes in tact .There can never be any excuse for what they did .

5/2/2020 05:01:34 pm

Richard

Is this Chan 9 letter another display of vulgar racism or what? 42 years ago today. The reference to the 20% affirmative action really gets the haters riled. He's a real bastard full of hate. Has anyone ever found Troy Houghton?

Richard

5/3/2020 03:51:59 am

Could very well be the case BB.

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5/2/2020 05:36:09 pm

If I could just chip in , with your '' He's a real bastard full of hate '' , BB .

That's the giveaway that the Zodiac felt real unhappiness , in himself , I think . He liked to '' stir the pot '' , and humiliate establishment figures with responsibility .

Maybe , no better an example , than in this letter ( ? ) . Real '' cutting '' and bitchy stuff .

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5/2/2020 06:00:21 pm

If the tool of menace is what we perceive as the Zodiac's intention to convey , then he does let himself down , sometimes :

'' I have decided to begin killing again....Nothing is going to happen until I do . ''

Well that announcement '' sunk '' somewhat ( ? ) .

5/2/2020 06:42:22 pm

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/the-origin-of-zodiac

Drew points-out the connections to the Diggers
Jim DC Phillips was connected to them
He had no mother. No wonder he was full of hate.

https://www.google.com/search?q=troy+houghton+diggers+and++the+zodiac+killers&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiEhIazw5bpAhW1GzQIHVhLA2IQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=troy+houghton+diggers+and++the+zodiac+killers&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDFDNLVinb2CDjgFoAHAAeACAAVyIAa8IkgECMTSYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img&ei=PByuXoT2O7W30PEP2JaNkAY&bih=655&biw=1240&client=opera#imgrc=fuHpBNQnyk6IjM

Troy went underground - when you go underground you need a good code man (Jim was a trained code man) He was in the Airborne Regiment in the Army 1961-65.

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5/3/2020 03:14:06 am

Maybe we do the Zodiac an '' injustice '' sometimes , and underestimate his overall demeanour and perception .

Look again at :

'' I have decided to begin killing again....Nothing is going to happen until I do . ''

Now ,if one didn't sometimes see the humour in the Zodiac , then you would perceive him to be plain pompous .

What I'm getting at is , that the Zodiac had '' bags of humour '' , if most often , that that humour was very dry . But , within the context of someone that is attempting to convey genuine menace , at the same time....to cause a disruptive and anti-social effect ...then the whole dichotomy of what was the phenomenon of the Zodiac , can be difficult to fully understand .

To keep it simple , for anyone that might be struggling , I can only suggest that the Zodiac was one man , on a DIY quest....a '' rank amateur '' one-man army of hoaxing and extortion ....with foibles , imperfections and often lacking confidence . But he '' dared '' in spades , and this little '' home brew '' enterprise of '' terror for kicks '' was affordable for someone of medium to high income .

Without an understanding of a core motive , it is difficult to understand '' Stage 2 '' , also....how , in effect , '' Stage 1 '' manifested itself , and started to play out , in the public arena .

I have my own ideas about '' Stage 1 '' , but cannot share them . But , I do suggest to others , to try to think a little further back in the Zodiac's life , for a greater understanding of what we examine , as sleuths .

As a '' killer '' , there was nothing professional about him either . Again , he was able '' to dare '' , and in three of the four Bay area attacks , was prepared to invest much planning .

5/3/2020 03:46:29 pm

Jim DC Phillips was upper middle class once he was remarried and moved to Ben Lomond, CA. With his home paid for - every penny not going to the bank - he was free to use his money.

zillah iktomi noir

6/21/2020 07:34:51 pm

Just gonna jump in here, interesting thoughts Rubislaw. ;)

My thoughts are that Roman Polanski is the Zodiac and he is Thomas Pynchon who's handwrintg matches and also matches son of sam and the unambomber, Roman is also the son of stalins hitman GEnrikh YAgoda and to me that is the biggest puzzle piece that makes sense...regarding his actual background. Yagoda was also behind authors like Jack London and B Traven whoe ven released hollywood films.

Clues indeed abound...

5/2/2020 07:14:42 pm

https://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=414&start=20

If you keep scrolling down - RAND - displays the diggers underground

This group spread a message of hate. They tried to get others to hate the Irish Catholic Kennedy's.

They made the Celtic Cross seem profane by using it to terrorize in the form of an ominous sign.

5/3/2020 11:27:25 am

Jim Phillips was in the Airborne Regiment in the Army 1961-65.
That first day out of the Army was in early August - What exact day?

https://i.redd.it/9yijqsfpujk21.jpg

The English Occult letter from Crabtree is evidence of a split personality. As the name Phillips is Celtic while the name Crabtree is
English. Could he have been trying to start trouble - kindling the fire between the Protestants and Catholics? Jim's self hatred revealed it's self here.

His home was in Ben Lomond. It was paid for by his new wife's father.
It is very close to Santa Cruz. And the Palace Stationary store.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x808e4026010b4351%3A0xae39deb1ebd0fe1a!3m1!7e115!5sGoogle%20Search!15sCAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipMqmwIifb9XOboKpCeANcNwB_6Yi_UK_3zZGqYZ

5/3/2020 02:07:46 pm

Jim DC Phillips - To come across taller than your true height is hard. The Dr. can see you on your ti-pee-toes. But you can scrunch down and get measured 5' 6" when your really 5' 8". Jimbo was a prankster. He describes waiting for all his friends to sign up to the USMC. Then he laughed and said he walked across the hall only to enlist in the Army instead in 1961. The Zodiac was 5' 8" in 1969. And so was James DC Phillips. The Zodiac had brown hair with a reddish tint. And so does Phillips66. The only thing I've ever heard a cop say as to why he was disqualified is that he was too short. That's not true. Men tend to grow a couple of inches between the age of 17 and 25 as James was in 1961-69 being born April 8th 1944. He is 76.
DNA - Fingerprints - some hand writing - can not be used to disqualify someone. They can only be used to confirm. Since we don't know absolutely for sure - that - anything is authentic Zodiac. If his fingerprint is a match - that's evidence - but if it does not - that really does not say anything. We know that husbands are often responsible for killing wives. We know that abusive husbands often kill their wives. We know that Jim was abusive to wife Darlene. That is main reason why she got the divorce in 1967. That and he grew a beard and long hair.

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5/4/2020 07:18:51 pm

Well , I have to admit that your allusions to '' Irish Catholic Kennedys / Celtic Cross '' got me thinking about the 13 hole card again , BB .And , I hadn't realized that Darlene's first husband , Jim Phillips was 24-25 which is close to the age , I believe that the Zodiac was .

I believe the problem with Jim Phillips , generally for many , as the identity of the Zodiac is , that following Darlene's murder , the investigating police would have been all over Jim Phillip '' like flies ''.and may even have been initially '' Suspect No.1 '' ( ? ) .

The feedback from those that either knew or knew of Jim Phillips , in the years after Darlene's death is that he didn't care too much to talk about what police had asked him .

I should imagine that it wasn't too comfortable an experience ( ? ) .

And yet , all these later , the cops don't appear to be interested in him. It may have been a single alibi that satisfied the cops , beyond reasonable doubt ( ? ) .

5/4/2020 07:56:40 pm

True - they seemed not to want anything to do with Phillips.
But - the sales job on ALA was relentless.
One - brush off and it's a dismissal of Phillips - that's that.
But - nothing fitting ALA at all - doesn't not matter - he's your guy!

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5/4/2020 09:42:15 pm

Yes BB , it certainly seems a bit strange that Darlene's ex-husband barely emerged as a suspect , nor has ever really registered , as a viable Zodiac suspect , and yet the '' phenomenon '' of Arthur Leigh Allen '' lingered '' long after his death , and wasn't officially cleared until 2002/2003 .

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5/4/2020 12:09:45 pm

Just thought that I would leave this '' Texas '' titbit , with you , Richard , for another time , perhaps ( ? ) .

The 13 hole card :

I've always been inclined to see a Texas link to the 13 hole card which , may well have been constructed from a copy of the San Antonio Express ( ..the alternative , an Oakland newspaper..( ? ) ..)

The San Antonio Express is owned by the Hearst Corporation .

Better known to Zodiac followers , is '' The pace isn't getting any slower '' as a Smidgens cartoon ''removal '' . '' The pace'' is El Paso in Spanish .

I had been searching for a while , for the origins of '' One big Thirteenth '' , as appearing on the 13 hole card.. Well , here's a possible solution : The Alamo , which took place in San Antonio , was a 13-day siege .

Any Texans reading , might like to add a comment ( ? ) .

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5/4/2020 12:31:53 pm

San Antonio has always been seen as the Air Force capital of America .

5/4/2020 06:28:30 pm

Hartnell’s and Slaight’s both descriptions of Zodiac’s voice was sounding “in his early 20’s”. James Phillips was 24-25

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5/4/2020 01:14:47 pm

The Zodiac ties it all together , as '' Scorpion '',in the '' S5 '' Cipher solution ( ? ) :

'' ...picture of people for the collection...''

''....picture of PEOPLE FOR T he collection ... ''

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5/4/2020 01:18:56 pm

'' People Fort '' ( ? )...a '' double pun '' , and 25 years later .

Either the Zodiac had the memory of an Elephant , or a very well - furnished scrapbook...of his own '' greatest hits '' , also .

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5/4/2020 01:36:05 pm

'' Mr. Z '' who gave my mother a Yorkshire Terrier , called '' Prudence '' , once said :

'' 70% of the world are turkeys ; and of the rest , most lack imagination . '' .

Indeed .

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5/4/2020 08:26:31 pm

My intention is not to baffle ,as perhaps , was sometimes the Zodiac's .

Withe the 13 hole card , we have a '' twin '' as such , with the Pines card , in that they are the two examples of the Zodiac employing '' Pre-dated envelopes . These amount to '' gifts '' to counter-intelligence , in their perceived fight against the Zodiac , since ordinarily , counter-intelligence would be in a position to make a claim when the cards emerged , that the Zodiac would not be in a position to argue differently , at a later date .

However , unlike the Pines card , the 13 hole card did contain an October 1970 date as part of the card's construction . So , unless counter-intelligence actually messed with the 13 hole card , they weren't in the same position , for ''manoeuvre '' , as they were , with a '' date-less '' Pines card .

What certainly appears to be the case is , that the Zodiac has employed either '' The Oakland Tribune , dated September 25th 1970 '' or '' The San Antonio Express , dated September 25th 1970 '' to construct the card .

Now for the '' abstract minded '' among us , this should be of interest . It seems that the Zodiac has hit on the idea of turning the '' figurative '' message into a '' literal '' construction . To put it another way , has sent his news , in the physical form of parts of a newspaper . And , documents examiners would be able to tell , through examination of '' paper pulp '' , whether the Zodiac has employed The Oakland Tribune or The San Antonio Express .

In addition , as second reminder , perhaps , of turning the '' figurative '' into the '' literal ''....and arguably , back into the '' figurative '' , as constituting one of the 13 hole clues :

The actual '' 13 holes '' made on the card . The clue ? Interpret the holes as literal '' dots to join up '' on a strictly '' travel of measurement '' basis .....and , what emerges ?

Answer : The symbol for a Radio Wave .

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5/4/2020 09:06:58 pm

Just to remind everyone that , based on the work carried out , by the FBI , in the service of the Attorney General of the CA DOJ , at the behest of President George W Bush , in 2002 / 2003 , after representations by Lyndon Lafferty :

Arthur Leigh Allen , Don Cheney and William Joseph Grant were cleared as Zodiac suspects by DNA . This work is documented and signed for , and has NEVER BEEN REVOKED , since .

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5/5/2020 06:49:54 am

And , lo and behold , a soon as a reminder to other Zodiac followers , who follow on the basis of attempting to make it the case that their adopted is the Zodiac , remain in denial of the FBI's work , carried out in 2002 / 2003 .

Allen , Cheney and Grant are just the high-profile suspects , for which it is officially admitted , were cleared . We are unaware of the means employed , to clear other suspects or POI's . Indeed , in other cases of official clearance , it is not even understood whether some individuals , in the spotlight were either official suspects or official POI's .

But it is certainly the case that the three men , Allen , Cheney and Grant , with official admissions documented , were cleared .

And , that THEY WERE CLEARED BY DNA .

Yes - DNA .

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5/5/2020 07:09:48 am

And , further to clarify the status of the three high-profile suspects :

Allen - a clear-cut official Zodiac suspect
Cheney - a technical official suspect , on account of accusing Allen.
Grant - a former official suspect , who had acquired illegal suspect status .

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5/5/2020 07:38:43 am

The following , are the personnel responsible for the work carried out , in 2002/2003 :

President George W. Bush

Robert S.Mueller - Director of the FBI

Dwight E.Adams - Director of the FBI Laboratories

Dan Olson - FBI Laboratories , Racketeering and Records Analysis Unit.

Bill Lockyer - Attorney General , State of California , Department of Justice .

Allen Benitez - Special Agent in Charge , State of California , Department of Justice .

In addition , Dan Olson - FBI Laboratories , Racketeering and Cryptanalysis Unit , remains to this day , in the service of the FBI .

Richard

5/5/2020 10:04:16 am

Just thought I'd let you know, I've found an FBI file where they are comparing suspects handwriting to various Zodiac communications. It appears they got the suspect to mimic to the 1969 Vallejo Times-Herald envelope. You will be glad to hear the person wrote "Herold", indicating that this is what they told him to write - and more importantly - what must have been written on the 1969 envelope. This ties in with the Celebrity Cypher, and may yet tie in with the 1987 envelope.

Richard

5/5/2020 10:09:26 am

I've also found some good images of the Bates envelopes which I've placed on the Bates page. They all contained 2 X 4c Lincoln stamps, which I've superimposed on the envelopes.

Richard

5/5/2020 11:02:02 am

I've placed the Vallejo Times-Herold FBI document at the bottom of my Vallejo Times-Herald page Rubislaw. That is another mystery closed.

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5/5/2020 12:01:17 pm

Wow , and nice spot Richard .

These '' apparently '' small things , and yet they can make all the difference on aspects of interpretation .

I think that those of us that have taken a keen interest in the 1990 Celebrity cipher '' knew '' that it was authentic Zodiac . But that information on '' 1969 Herold '' just about proves it , beyond reasonable doubt .

Richard

5/5/2020 12:21:58 pm

I have placed two magnified images from the normal FBI files on the page. They are both spelled "Herold".

5/5/2020 09:48:08 am

Also, now that they are all dead (Allen , Cheney and Grant) they (LE) would have just pinned everything on them and been done with the case - but they couldn't - because they would have "jumped the shark" (gone too far). Graysmith did not mind though - he made-out like a bandit. "Graysmith Unmasked" on YouTube left me wondering if he was the Zodiac. Not afraid to say the name Allen because he was dead. But using pseudo names for Grant because he might sue and take all his ill-gotten gains. Crazy, if your story has any truth at all California tort the max payout ever is 250,000 that is the ceiling (legal limit) so there is no worry here for suits. A winning lawyer will cost that much. Nobody gets sued for more than five or ten in California. When the corporations did away with the "frivolous" suits - when McDonald's ran over the poor old lady that lost parts of her leg when spilling hot coffee. The smear-campaign on her was relentless. You would have thought she was the devil. Politicians got up on the floor of "con"gress to nationalize their idea of a "New World Order". By the way, to speak truth to power is a subversive act. And, you are considered a conspiracy nut if you dare to speak up against the corruptions of the government. And with the cops in-cahoots with these two powerful forces and the media that once stood as a force that prevented this is now on their side too. We the people have been fully reined in. Hopefully our next Prez will be an Irish Catholic and can scatter them to the winds like the last one did. Only afterwards - this time -manage to avoid going to Texas.

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5/5/2020 01:00:59 pm

Yes , the police , the judiciary , the politicians....given a certain set of circumstances that causes them unease , they lose the '' plot '' .

That being , that they are public servants , and their original '' calling '' was to serve the public's best interests . But , when they feel the heat , their only real consideration is for themselves .

The worst of these '' three '' are the judiciary who , whenever feeling the real pressure , give the best ( most disgraceful ) display of psychopathy and cunning , known to man .

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5/5/2020 06:14:04 pm

And yes again BB , to your inferences that Graysmith would have been happy for LE to conclude , that ALA was the Zodiac , in the wake of ALA's death .

In fairness to Graysmith , it would have been '' the icing on the cake '' to the success of him as an author , but I'm sure he must conclude now , that ALA '' didn't do it '' . And , I would think that he must be happy to have carved out a successful writing career , following the 1986 publication of '' Zodiac '' . 4 million copies sold , of his first book , alone , plus film rights extras on Fincher's Hollywood movie .

But , as for the rest of those touting a Zodiac suspect , it's not looking very good and , particularly if they haven't benefited from a book deal already ( ? ) .

The best that some Zodiac followers , dragging a favoured suspect around , like led weights attached to their boots , is hope that this case is never officially resolved . So , that they can continue to have a say , and make a few crumbs , on the side , while fooling other's that '' their '' suspect '' might have been '' the Zodiac .

Pitiful , pathetic , and fraudulent .

5/5/2020 07:46:30 pm

You got steel guts brother. You and Richard have the best reputations going. You guys have proven yourselves honest a thousand times. I trust you both. Your word good in my book.
And, I accept Richard's authenticating of these Zodiac correspondences without question.

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5/5/2020 09:11:03 pm

Thanks for your kind words , BB , and may I add that I find your contributions inspiring , and always interesting in that they highlight that , actually , most scenarios are possible .

If I get a bit caustic , sometimes , it is because of my mistrust in Departments of Justice who , hold more crime information than any one else , and yet hide behind closed doors , constantly manoeuvring advantage , at the expense of all else , more particularly the feelings and day to day torment of the families of victims , simply queuing and hoping for justice that may or may not come their way .

At least politicians and the police are out there , in the open , and often have to think on their feet , without preparation for what might be in stall . With the cops having to hold '' first line '' as it were .

I see now , more and more , that senior police are getting themselves an education in criminal law , which augers well in the fight against crime , since all too often , the cops are entirely beholden to the judicial protection of the judiciary , and therefore all too often , being directed by a body that has often not experienced real life , and yet , traditionally , has always seen themselves as the '' true wise men '' .

The arrogance that the judiciary often display , is often quite shocking and comes across as contempt for all others , including politicians who , have at least secured a mandate from the people .

The judiciary should be forced to answer to politicians more often , instead of often managing to send in the police '' to bat '' , on their behalf .

5/6/2020 02:25:06 pm

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=1926+st+malo+oceanside&t=opera&ia=web&iaxm=maps&strict_bbox=0&bbox=33.16825355537662%2C-117.36122717675728%2C33.167518252500386%2C-117.36010064897103

Next door to where a Davis body was dumped is the Army and Navy Academy founded by a Davis

5/7/2020 03:54:37 pm

What I mean by next door - is - a few hundred feet south in Carlsbad.
The ANA is a school for young men. Did someone like James Phillips attend the school - concoct this idea to kill the cab driver and leave the body next door for kicks?

5/9/2020 01:49:15 pm

Darlene told Mike that "He would kill us if he knew we were here" She knew her killer.
She knew he was a killer. She saw him kill someone. She married a killer.

Sandy Bettes refers to him as Honcho. "Donald W. Porter and I were going to San Francisco to visit somebody. His roommate was on the porch (Honcho) - Don said to him that we were headed to San Francisco, but he needed to stop by Dee’s place to pick up something (weed)or drop something off. His roommate, who was a short man in his 30’s with brown curly hair, who liked to play the piano, screamed at Don "I told you to never say that name ever"." Cecelia and Bates played piano.

Honcho;
A relic of the large US presence in Japan in the years following World War II, the word honcho comes from the Japanese word hanchō meaning “leader of the squad, section, group.” We are uncertain of the exact route by which honcho found its way into American military argot in the mid-1950s, though it is known that the Japanese applied hanchō to British or Australian officers in charge of work parties in prisoner-of-war camps. By the 1960s, the word had become part of colloquial American jargon.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/honcho

The word Honcho is not a name. It is a title; meaning Hotshot, Kingpin, Boss man, or the Big cheese. It is a word picked up in the military during the 50's and 60's.
James Phillips was a squad leader in the Army 1961-65.

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