THE BIRTHDAY CALL

12/8/2019

Melvin Mouron Belli

On October 22nd 1969 the Oakland Police Department took a call at 2:00 am from somebody claiming to be the Zodiac Killer, requesting that either Melvin Belli or Francis Lee Bailey, high profile lawyers at the time, appear on a chat show hosted by Jim Dunbar later that day. Melvin Belli agreed to appear on the show, to which a man would eventually contact via telephone, claiming not only his name was 'Sam', but by inference that he was the infamous Zodiac Killer.

The Desert Sun newspaper reported "SAN FRANCISCO (UPI)- A man who said he was Northern California’s "Zodiac killer” of five persons talked with a San Francisco attorney by telephone today while television viewers listened in. Attorney Melvin Belli also talked with the man on another, private line, then said he had arranged to meet with him. Police said they had no way of knowing whether the man was "Zodiac,” who has boasted in notes of five killings in the San Francisco Bay area in the last nine months. But they said they did not consider the caller a prankster. The caller first called a police station at 2 a.m. and said he wanted to get in touch wbth either Belli, the attorney who once defended Jack Ruby in Dallas, or Boston lawyer F. Lee Bailey. He asked that one of them be on the morning talk show of disc jockey Jim Dunbar on KGO-TV. Police contacted Belli, who went to the studio. The man, who said his name was "Sam,” called shortly after 7 a.m and said he was the ‘‘Zodiac killer.” He hung up immediately, but called back a total of 12 more times. While Belli and Jim Dunbar, host of the show, pleaded with him to give himself up, the caller said he suffered from recurring headaches and impulses to kill. Finally, the caller agreed to have Belli go to the San Francisco district attorney’s office to see if prosecutors would assure him they would not ask for the death penalty. Belli said that in another call off camera, the man had agreed to meet him at a secret location after the conference with the district attorney".

In January of 1970, a person claiming to be Zodiac rang the Belli residence, spoke with his housekeeper Erna and requested to speak with the flamboyant lawyer, only to be told he was unavailable and out of the country. The caller replied "I can't wait, today's my birthday". This interaction was detailed in a partially redacted FBI file on January 14th 1970. The phone call would have been placed in the days before this urgent request, labeled "instant date January 14th". On February 18th 1970, the caller to the Jim Dunbar Show was identified by San Francisco Police as Eric Weill. They contacted the FBI with the details, but this information did not appear in the newspapers. Eric Weill was almost certainly the responsible for both the Jim Dunbar Show call and the call to Bellii's residence, stating "I can't wait, today's my birthday". Eric Weill was born on January 10th 1940 and his father's name was "Sam".

San Francisco Chronicle reporter, Paul Avery, would later document the Jim Dunbar Show phone call in 1971 (see below), misspelling the name "Eric Weill" to "Eric Weil", accidentally omitting one of the L's. The Zodiac Killer followed the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper coverage throughout his campaign of terror, so couldn't have failed to know the correct spelling of Paul Avery which sat under the title of many articles. So it was rather curious to see that the Zodiac Killer had seemingly added one of the L's back, by inserting it into the reporter's name, changing "Paul Avery" to "Paul Averly" in both the October 27th 1970 Halloween card and March 22nd 1971 Pines card. If the spelling error by the Zodiac Killer was deliberate, could it have been a subtle dig at Paul Avery for his misspelling of Eric Weill in the run-up to this report. However, for this to be the case, Paul Avery would have needed to know the identity of Eric Weill sometime between February 18th 1970 and the writing of this report in 1971, have previously misspelled the name - and the Zodiac Killer to have known this. The only reason for this speculation, is the idea suggested by some, that the Zodiac Killer may have worked for the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper and hence his numerous communications mailed to them. This notion would rely heavily on the "Paul Averly" misspelling being deliberate and done for purpose. The problem with this train of thought, is the Zodiac Killer posed as an illiterate communicator throughout his correspondence, so singling out one specific section has its drawbacks.

But there is a strong possibility that the "birthday call" was placed on January 10th 1970, with Eric Weill likely believing, that being honest about his birthday would never lead to his identification. It didn't, but the resultant tracing of the calls to him and the FBI files detailing the "birthday call" just prior to January 14th 1970, further strengthening the case against him. The choice of "Sam" as his chosen name on the Jim Dunbar Show call may also be very close to home.

Rubislaw 32 link

12/9/2019 04:47:25 am

Interesting possibility,Richard,that the man who had phoned Melvin Belli's residence in January 1970,may have been the Zodiac.

And this,we might presume,being a phone call that followed up,on his December 20th 1969 confirmed letter to Belli.

Thanks for highlighting this,from the FBI files - I was not previously aware.For ''an'' assumption is that given that the Zodiac was not to correspond next,until April 1970....and without any mention of Belli,then or ever again...then that the Zodiac had thought better of pleading and whining with any legal council,after his failure to make immediate contact,in the December previous.

It seems that,on the surface at least,that April 1970 was the start of a new beginning,for the Zodiac who,would never show a ''vulnerable'' side,in public,again.

Just on a,perhaps,pedantic note...is it the case that a claimed Zodiac had initially requested ''both'' Bailey and Belli ,of the Oakland Police.
( ? ).I was previously of the impression that the claimed Zodiac,had just requested Francis Lee Bailey....and that Melvin Belli had ''stepped in'' for the TV show.

Richard

12/9/2019 06:39:55 am

I think the overwhelmingly odds are that the birthday call was Weill, because they ultimately traced subsequent calls to Weill, which coupled with his date of birth likely points to him for a January 10th call. However, this call wasn't traced, always leaving the door open to the possibility it wasn't him. I doubt it was Zodiac, but what we do know is Zodiac used the font from Bellii's front door to write the numbers on the addressed letter to Belli on December 20th 1969, so the idea of the Zodiac making a call to the Belli residence isn't without foundation, particularly in light of his two previous phone calls to police. But without any way of finding out for certain who made the call on or around January 10th, we have to go with the most likely - that it was Eric Weill. The phone caller to Oakland PD requested Bailey, but said he would accept Belli if F. Lee Bailey wasn't available - so his preference was Bailey, but mentioned both. The caller to Oakland PD was extremely likely to have been Weill as well. There is little to conclude it was Zodiac.

Richard

12/9/2019 06:53:53 am

Newspaper articles after the BRS attack reported that the only stars smiling in the "Stargazer" horoscope column on the dates of both attacks thus far, were for Aquarius. This star sign ran from January 20th to February 18th, so hypothesised that this time period may have contained Zodiac's birthday and he chose his dates of the murders to coincide with "smiling stars". Very unlikely, but I suppose they had to explore every angle, because of the killer choosing the pseudonym Zodiac.

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12/9/2019 06:49:33 am

It is indeed an interesting proposition that the Zodiac may have sought Francis Lee Bailey,as ''first choice'' for legal ''sanctuary''.Melvin Belli ''taking over'' a role,perhaps,when Bailey showed lack of interest [?].

Bailey had overturned a verdict on Sam Shepherd,fictionalised as ''The Fugitive'' - a man accused,and initially convicted of having murdered his wife.In addition,Bailey was the lawyer for whom ''The Boston Strangler'' first confessed.

Bailey was later to become involved in the case of the Mai Lai massacre,the trial of Patty Hearst and the O.J.Simpson trial.

Still alive in his late 80's,Bailey might still be contactable,on this very subject of the Zodiac ( ? ).

Richard

12/9/2019 07:00:14 am

Belli was more accessible on October 22nd 1969 because he was San Francisco based, so became the obvious choice. The Bailey connection with Sam Shepard is why I hypothesised previously that Weill chose "Sam" as his stand-in name, but when I realized his father was called Samuel, this seemed more likely. Maybe both Sam's influenced his reactionary decision to pluck Sam from his mind when asked for a less threatening name to be called.

Richard

12/9/2019 07:03:34 am

Have you ever considered that Weill knew the Zodiac, but just knew him as another patient. The man know as Zodiac putting Weill up to the prank of calling Oakland PD. The Zodiac could have used Weill as a conduit.

Drew

12/9/2019 07:18:18 pm

"Have you ever considered that Weill knew the Zodiac, but just knew him as another patient. The man know as Zodiac putting Weill up to the prank of calling Oakland PD. The Zodiac could have used Weill as a conduit."
Absolutely Richard! My brother proposed that idea over drinks one night and I think it is really interesting. Zodiac definitely could have been a patient. For me a proxy Zodiac would explain the calculation and determination that the caller displayed when he made numerous short calls to the tv show, seemingly trying to avoid a trace. The caller may well have had guidance. It has always been unclear to me which call was successfully traced to the institution and how they actually arrived at Weill.

The timing of the first calls suggests that it was a reaction to the publication of the school bus kids letter. So it seems to me Zodiac's Belli letter was a reaction to the Dunbar show and the call to Belli whoever made it was a reaction to the Belli letter.

Roger

12/10/2019 04:03:12 pm

Drew, I have also considered this scenario from time to time. The cops perhaps dismissed the whole Weill thing out of sheer embarrassment, without realizing the true Zodiac had influenced Weill. I am sure they would have investigated the whole thing behind closed doors, and perhaps even questioned Weill, that is if they could get much sense out of him. So either another patient at the hospital or a staff member could have put Weill up to it. And yes, the stand in name "Sam" is something I have always found interesting. You may be right that he simply used his father's name. Then again the Zodiac may have used a fake name whenever he spoke to Weill. A man with mental health issues could perhaps be easily manipulated, especially if the name he used was the same as Weill's father's name. Whatever the case, the entire incident added to the general confusion. If the incident was entirely coincidental, I am sure it aided the Zodiac's subterfuge immensely. The Zodiac may have been just as confused as everyone after the televised event: "WTF, who in the hell is Sam?" he may have been asking himself.

12/13/2019 08:06:42 am

Richard

Is not the last name of

ERIC PHILLIPS WEILL

pronounced liked the word

wheel as in the death wheel?

Richard

12/13/2019 09:44:38 am

That is how I would pronounce it BB, but whether this is the correct pronunciation I couldn't be sure.

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12/9/2019 07:35:05 am

I think that it is certainly the case that the name '' Eric Weil '' became a ''fly in the ointment '' in trying to establish '' who,what,where '' with the whole episode of the Zodiac seeking legal sanctuary , Richard.

Weil just seems to have been a ''nutter'' who desired to associate himself with '' intellectualism '' and anything ''newsworthy'' associated,at that time,in the S.F.vicinity.

Indeed,it is worth noting that Belli's ''geography'' was closer to the ''Zodiac operations'' at that time.I suspect that the Zodiac's biggest fear was that he would be lynched in custody,if arrested or giving himself up.....and Belli's legal involvement with Jack Ruby,may have resonated with the Zodiac more ( ? ).

Weil's attendence at a Bob Dylan press conference gives us a little insight into him,perhaps ( ? ).Weil's desire to over-intellectualize Dylan's lyric's....leaving Dylan clearly seeing Weil as a '' complete Pratt''.

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12/9/2019 10:31:51 pm

Just as a ''footnote''....of course,the Zodiac ''did'' mention Belli one more time,in the Dragon Card of April 28th 1970....following the '' My name is --- '' letter of April 20th.

'' Melvin eats bluber ''.

A form of ridicule,that suggests that the Zodiac was shaking the personal humiliation of Belli's association with the Zodiac,off his shoulders....''that'' vulnerabiity which the Zodiac allowed to be on show,in the Zodiac's Belli letter of December 20th 1969.

Personally,I am not convinced of any real association,between Weil and the Zodiac.They could hardly be more different,and Weil ,in his efforts for attention,does not appear to have shown any sense of humour,at all.A big part of Weil's ''problem'',perhaps ( ? ).

Roger

12/10/2019 03:47:28 pm

Just a question Richard. Did the Zodiac ever write about anything that had not already been reported in the newspapers or other media first? I am sure a lot of the TV coverage of the murders has not survived to this day, but we at least have most newspaper and journal articles on archives these days.

The true hallmark of a legitimate correspondence from a serial killer is that it should contain details known only to the police. I know this has all been covered before, but it would be good to see a chronological list of things that the killer wrote about which only the police could have known about, compared to information that the public already knew about. I am sure many of the Zodiac communications would fail the test. The letter following the Lake Herman Road attack is often heralded as a legitimate communication, but is it really?

Richard

12/10/2019 11:50:19 pm

Yes he did, but even that isn't enough for some, because they claim he could be a copper who read the police reports, as Horan argues.

Only two people described Betty Lou lying on her right side, [1] Stella Medeiros and [2] Zodiac, who only could have known this in the short few minutes after the Lake Herman Rd murders. Because by the time police arrived she had fell face down. This inextricably puts Zodiac in the turnout circle 11:15 pm (unless you play the Horan game of Zodiac was a cop). Zodiac also divulged he saw two cops on Jackson before the Fouke report came in on November 12th. The sighting was never reported in the newspapers prior to Zodiac's Bus Bomb letter on November 9th. The shirt pieces should be proof enough, unless you buy into the stories of ambulance crew or somebody surreptitiously sneaking into the morgue to snatch a piece of shirt - which is wholly more unrealistic. Zodiac also wrote Washington and Maple on his October 13th 1969 letter, despite the taxicab sitting at Washington and Cherry - and we know the trip sheet held the destination Washington and Maple. Just another lucky guess by Zodiac? I don't think so.

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12/11/2019 04:50:51 am

Thanks for confirming the '' Washington and Maple '' entry on Stine's journey '' trip sheet '',Richard.

So,that entry was the only entry that investigating police,have ever revealed ( ? ),and tallies with the Zodiac's mention,in his letter.Hence we might presume that the Zodiac remembered it ,as the agreed destination,with Stine....although the cab came to rest,at ''Washington and Cherry ''.

So,the Zodiac had staked out the vicinity,and knew.that by extricating himself from Washington St. , via Cherry St. he had an extra block to walk along Jackson St.,in order to arrive at his presumed next destination of the playground.

An extra 100 yards walking ,for which the Zodiac was aware.

In reading up about the investigation of Paul Stine's murder,it seems that the '' trip sheet '' was a priority investigation.In effect,checking on the addresses entered....going back 2-3 days or more.Apparently,often is the case that the perpetrator of a taxi crime,was a recent previous user,who susses out the driver...or a scenario where an altercation between passenger and driver might have taken place prior.

I do think,though,Paul Stine was just unlucky,and represented a random cab to the Zodiac,but at a given place of pick-up.

As you are aware,my interest focuses on a ''prospective'' penultimate entry.on the trip sheet,as '' 345 Hyde Street ''....and,its possible implications.

Richard

12/11/2019 06:15:21 am

Can you remind everybody Rubislaw where the 345 Hyde Street was mentioned in a document. Without it, nobody will understand its origin. Thanks.

Richard

12/11/2019 06:20:46 am

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7841206,-122.4160578,3a,60y,255.92h,89.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2eeC_WihbCEDZ7ClzdO2ag!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

880 metres from Union Square

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Union+Square,+San+Francisco,+CA,+USA/345+Hyde+St,+San+Francisco,+CA+94109,+USA/Cherry+St,+San+Francisco,+CA+94118,+USA/@37.7822535,-122.4216178,5525m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m20!4m19!1m5!1m1!1s0x8085808ed3fd40bb:0xfe41d9b5994cb6ba!2m2!1d-122.4074374!2d37.7879938!1m5!1m1!1s0x80858090edfb50e7:0xbeabb1e4adccaeed!2m2!1d-122.416329!2d37.784049!1m5!1m1!1s0x8085873013325a8d:0xc05ac5b9b5f0b4ce!2m2!1d-122.4570828!2d37.7878062!3e0

12/11/2019 09:58:17 am

Richard - Another good one - Eric started acting deviant at a very young age. And the added or subtracted "L" is a dead give away that you are on the Zodiac's trail.

https://www.google.com/search?q=eric+weill&client=opera&hs=aeT&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=aJPaf-m_p_39rM%253A%252C-HRFJ8oq7YOb-M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSguijinqTyPmCexIb5Ls-5ZRBZFQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil0aC7jq7mAhXFo54KHX7PAoIQ9QEwBXoECAcQBg#imgrc=4nFYF084xLMw7M&imgdii=FkFG9nu85SnPIM

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12/11/2019 09:21:56 am

Yes...the 345 Hyde Street address,was the residency of Robert H.Coon.Coon was a well known writer and mystic ,who was advocating that the 12 days of Christmas held equivalence to the signs of the Zodiac.

On the morning of August 10th 1969,George Bawart and John Lynch of the Vallejo Police,were manning phones,waiting for callers,in response to The Harden's 408 cipher solution,published in the SF Chronicle,that day.

The very first caller was from a man,claiming to be Robert H.Coon,of 345 Hyde Street ,suggesting that the solution to the 18 character remaider of the 408 cipher,might be :

THE TIP IM ROBERT E EEEE

The claimed Mr.Coon felt that EEEE surname might stand for '' FORESE or FOURIES.''

Well...clearly a joker,and appears that the real Robert H.Coon was checked out,and found to have ''not'' been the hoaxer.

The implication that have put forward is,that the hoaxer that day was the Zodiac,and the Vallejo Police would have noted the implication.

Fast forward to October 11th 1969,and the evening of Paul Stine's murder.The Zodiac did a number of things in Stines cab,before leaving the crime scene,including stealing Stine's wallet and removing part of Stine's shirt.It would have been easy for the Zodiac to have removed the top sheet of Stine's trip sheet,thereby leaving more a mystery of events leading up to the shooting,behind.

But,I would suggest,that the Zodiac ''wanted'' the investigating police to see the destinations,leading up to the final one,in Washington St.

Why ?

Partly,I would suggest,because the Zodiac wanted the police to see
345 Hyde Street on the trip sheet,and ''twig'' the link to the phone call hoax to Vallejo Police,on August 10th previous.The caller,claiming to be Robert H.Coon.

If the Zodiac had felt too rushed to remove part of Stine's shirt,he would then have had an extra '' guarantee '' that the police would find out,soon,that he,the Zodiac,had indeed been the murderer of Paul Stine,through the Robert H.Coon link....who advocated Christmas links to the signs of the Zodiac.

Roger

12/11/2019 03:24:34 pm

Wow, this is the first time I have seen this and I must say it really blows my mind. It is as if the Zodiac was trying to incriminate someone else. My gut feeling is the Zodiac often tried to incriminate others or he provided red herrings and false leads. Perhaps even his obscure references to P.I. Peek-a-boo Pennington were designed to throw detectives on to a false lead down another rabbit hole. The Zodiac was as cunning and ruthless as a fox.

Rubislaw 32 link

12/11/2019 04:27:08 pm

Yes,Roger...I do find it an interesting proposition - that the Zodiac ''may'' have been that cunning.I note that 345 Hyde Street is only about 1000 yards from say,Union Square...a possible original pick-up point.

Zodiac could have,say,got into Stine's cab,with a contrived limp,and apologized to Stine,for the relatively short journey request.They arrive at 345 Hyde Street,and then the Zodiac suddenly remembers that he owes someone,in Presidio Heights area,a visit.The Zodiac may have,for example, flashed Stine a $20 bill to strike the revised journey request.

Zodiac followers tend to fall into two camps,on the matter of whether the Zodiac was in the front passenger seat , or the back seating of the cab,when he shot Stine.

If the Zodiac was in the front seat,then a brief stop at 345 Hyde Street,could have been an explanation,for how the Zodiac managed to ''persuade'' his way into the front passenger seat of Stine's cab...from initially starting the journey,from a back seat position.

All it took,was some silvery tongue words,and a $20 bill ( ? ).

One of the reasons why I think that information from Paul Stine's trip sheet.is every bit as important,as a Zodiac correspondence.

Roger

12/11/2019 04:08:49 pm

But goes without saying, you would have to prove conclusively that 345 Hyde Street did appear on Stine's trip sheet.

Rubislaw 32 link

12/11/2019 05:36:39 pm

Here's the Vallejo Police report :

8-10-69 1:40 PM Call received from a Robert H.Coon 345 Hyde St. San Francisco who stated he decoded the remaining portion of the cipher as follows : THE TIP I'M ROBERT E EEEE. Coon feels that the four E's may stand for a name such as FORESE or FOURIES
( BAWART ).

Part of the ''joke'' would have been the '' obvious '' inference of '' Robert E.Lee '' - the famous confederate general.

Roger

12/11/2019 07:46:56 pm

That was my first thought too. Robert E. Lee seems obvious, yet the caller chose instead to introduce the possibility of obscure names like 'FORESE' or 'FOURIES' ("Four E's"). Perhaps he was actually implying 'FAIRIES'?

Rubislaw 32 link

12/12/2019 12:01:37 pm

Indeed...if the case ever does have a resolution ,its going to be a nice reward to find out about some of these extra details.

The closest to a possible ''pointer'' on the '' Robert H,Coon incrimination '' angle....was when Toschi was interviewed by radio social commentator , Mae Brussel.

Toschi ,in referring to the Stine murder , specifically ,said that he felt sorry for '' one time '' suspect ''Robert ''.Toschi was later,to publically retract these comments,when the local press started to take an increased interest.

It has been ruminated since,who the ''Robert'' in question,might have been.Some believe that it was Robert Linklater ,son of Hollywood entertainer,Art Linklater....being a ''one time'' suspect in the Tate La Bianca murders.

But..it might just have been Robert H.Coon ,whom one can imagine,would have come under close scrutiny ,if his 345 Hyde St. address ,had appeared on Stine's trip sheet...coupled with the phone call to Vallejo Police ,in the August prior.

12/11/2019 02:55:03 pm

Feel free to correct this description but I think that Eric Weill being an artist was trying to influence the times. And specific to his artistic medium was photography. The Pen (Pentax was the camera of choice in the 60's & 70's). Often referred to by photogs as just Pen. Fk could refer to a Jacobian of a term in photographic equations like F-stop and k-mount. ERIC PHILLIPS WEILL dob Jan.10, 1940. He has a double set of double "L"s in his name - Not to mention 17 letters and the middle name of Phillips66. Also, the main derivation to the name Eric is Richard. His B-day is on a Dali-day Jan.10 - It falls in Capricorn - the 10th sign of the Zodiac. ERIC P WEILL = 10 letters Plus the three circled 8's = 13
ERIC WEILL was once busted throwing a destructive liquid on the face of Andy Warhol (In Eric's mind Andy was his rival) in a mural. This seems to say that Eric was sick but not insane. He also had an apartment on Grant Ave. Some people say he was locked up during the Stine murder and therefor could not be the Zodiac. But, those psych wards are not escape proof. Not that you could come and go as you please, but with a little planning it is possible. Perhaps with the help of a nurse to let him out for the night. ERIC WEILL may have wore a wig. And, also the idea of a beard being worn by the Zodiac the rest of the time has been mentioned plenty? He was a very good photographer though. This is not too far fetched an idea. Weill's DNA should be compared. The idea of couples could be linked to the fact that ERIC WEILL was a twin.

12/11/2019 05:08:47 pm

Artists - often crazy people - are not stupid - they are real smart - but they are also really out there sometimes. And, yet at times they are able to get it together long enough to produce great works. If the Zodiac was an artist like Penn says. He was of a villain type.
Eric Phillips F=6, k=11, 6x11=66 Weill
He often did these collages that are Zodiac like. And Eric was into the city and all it's many places and aspects also like the Zodiac...
Back in the day - photographers and cops had a close partnership. You scratch my back I'll scratch yours. I wonder if Eric at least photo'd the Zodiac crime scenes. The guy that got all those photos of EPW's at the garage sale might still have some interesting stuff.

Rubislaw 32 link

12/12/2019 01:52:55 pm

More on '' Robert H.Coon incriminataton'' prospective :

Correction : '' Robert Linklater '' should read '' Robert Linkletter ''.

Robert Linkletter died in an automobile accident ,in 1980.It is rumoured that the pair of spectacles found at the Tate murders,belonged to Robert Linkletter.It is further rumoured that Charles Manson ''did'' visit the Tate crime scene...later,with Robert Linkletter,when Manson heard what his ''family'' had done.Manson didn't drive,but was accompanied by Linkletter,who did...and both ''may'' have been responsible for ''finishing off '' one victim,who was still alive.

The prosecution,in the Tate murders case....weren't prepared to take this information to court.

With the Vallejo Police report :

It is the only time that I have seen a police report ,in the Zodiac case,that exists in ''both'' redacted ''and'' unredacted form.

Possibly suggesting that Robert H.Coon had subsequently given his permission,for the report to become ''unredacted''.

12/12/2019 02:27:23 pm

Rubislaw 32
Lee Oswald and his brother Robert were named after Robert E. Lee
Robert threw his brother under the bus from day one. However, Lee may have shot one of the assassins - there was a pool of blood by the pergola.
https://merdist.com/wp/2017/02/06/jerry-coley/

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12/12/2019 02:46:06 pm

Very interesting ,BB.

Of course,in the knowledge,almost indisputably,that Lee Oswald subsequently murdered Officer Tippet ,the public have been left a legacy of not feeing sorry for Lee Oswald.

The whole ''saga'' will always remain fascinating.Lyndon Johnson always gets a ''bad rap'',which is pretty ridiculous.But I believe the word came from Johnson,that there would be no trial of Lee Oswald,under any circumstances....to save the ''star witness'',Jackie Kennedy,having to go through a ''circus'',under the watchful eyes of the whole world.

So,Ruby ended up becoming the designated ''executioner''.He was in bad debts,and the FBI promised that everything would be taken care of.

The trial of Ruby was a ''given'',from start to finish.Belli tabled a temporary insanity plea for Ruby.....''pointless'' ( ? ).

Belli claims that the Judge read a comic,concealed in a newspaper,for most of Ruby's trial.And,any important points that Belli made to the jury,were stricken from the trial transcripts.

'' Job done'' ( ? ).

12/12/2019 05:03:10 pm

Rubislaw 32
You should look into the Tippit conspiracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUKeXQ5-tDc

It goes much deeper than what we are told by the rush to judgement account of the Warren Commission. But be warned I was sucked into that whole JFK thing - that is a lot bigger than the Zodiac case. Which the mainstream has us think ALA is the end of the rabbit hole because Graysmith says so. The same is true for the JFK assassination - Warren Commission says Oswald did it - the end. But I have shot many bolt action rifles in the Marine Corp and out. The rapid double clap of the last two rounds are proof of an automatic or a second rifle. The railroad tower operator Lee Bowers was witness to the gunner behind the fence. Bowers was run off the road and cremated the same night.

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12/12/2019 05:40:01 pm

Fascinating what you say ,BB.....and difficult to discount a number of claims.

Firstly,JFK was not universally popular in Texas ,on account of the extent of corporation tax on Oil companies.But that is the first of many theorised motives....from Communism to the Mob ( ? ).

In recent years,I go with the fatal shot coming from secret serviceman,George Hickey,by way of an accident.And still think that the ''throat shot'' came from Oswald.

But still a fiercely debated subject,to this day,and I'm always open to other's opinions.

Yes...with Ruby,it was a done deal,and one can't help feeling that Belli's vanity got in the way of the reality of what he was involving himself in ( ? ).

Belli never got paid for defending Ruby,since he didn't hang around long enough ,after Ruby's guilty verdict was delivered.

For Belli's whole stay in Dallas ,all he ever read or heard about himself,from the locals,was :

'' It's that Commi here ,to defend the Jew boy.''

12/14/2019 01:53:24 pm

Eric Phillips Weill (Knife Wielder)

https://www.google.com/search?q=eric+weill&client=opera&hs=aeT&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=aJPaf-m_p_39rM%253A%252C-HRFJ8oq7YOb-M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSguijinqTyPmCexIb5Ls-5ZRBZFQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil0aC7jq7mAhXFo54KHX7PAoIQ9QEwBXoECAcQBg#imgrc=ylSaRx8F5iqoPM:&vet=1

His Mom was
Mercedes Fannie Phillips born Aug. 2, 1914 died June 13, 1992 in California... Both are Dalidays

She gave her twins (Eric and Rita) the same middle name - Phillips.

She seems to have married Sam Weill in 1939. Eric P Weill married Mary K. Long Aug. 7, 1970

https://sites.google.com/site/nola1900s/Home/emanuel4gen

According to Gareth Penn, the certified genius, the Zodiac would be an artist like Eric P Weill.

https://zodiackiller.forumotion.com/t44-eric-weill-x

12/14/2019 03:42:43 pm

The Weill's and Phillips' were/are a family of composers musicians singers - all types of artists.

https://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/kurt_weill/mack_the_knife-lyrics-213347.html

12/23/2019 08:55:32 am

Sam is a Hebrew name short for Samuel or Samantha, from the Biblical name Shemu'el, which means "God has heard", from the Hebrew shama, meaning "heard" and el, meaning "God".

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