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THE ATLANTA RECORDINGS

7/23/2020

 
Two written messages were received on March 2nd and March 8th of 1981 in Atlanta, Georgia, either from the Zodiac Killer or somebody purporting to be him. The first, a business reply envelope postmarked Cleveland, OH, was mailed with the message "Please stop forced bussing or I will kill 3 more black boys in Atlanta in March", while the second continued a similar theme, but this time signed off with the name "Zodiac" and included the infamous Zodiac crosshairs. On March 18th 1981, a letter addressed to the "Editor of the Washington Post" was received (but postmarked February 17th from Prince George's County, Maryland), claiming to have information on the Atlanta killings, and requested that the editor place an advertisement in the newspaper stating "Daniel Please Call Home", after which, the writer would initiate further contact with the editor of the Washington Post. The author had incorrectly used the name Daniel instead of Darron, in reference to the missing Atlanta child Darron Glass.

It is unknown whether any of these communications originated from the pen of the Zodiac Killer, but it doesn't hurt to explore every avenue, particularly regarding the March 8th 1981 communication where the author stated "I used to stalk women, but I like to kill children now. At all my victims bodies I have left certain clues, but I guess it's too much for you Rebels to handle". So, are there any crimes or murders in the preceding months where the killer left any clues on or near any of his victims. Especially clues misinterpreted as inadvertent oversights by the murderer of the Atlanta children. We need to look at the March correspondence, allied to any recognisable Zodiac traits in previous months in Atlanta, particularly bearing in mind brown Caucasian hairs had been noted in the FBI files in at least one of the crime scenes - and considering the possibility that Wayne Williams may not be responsible for all the Atlanta killings.      
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An unknown male Caucasian telephoned the Conyers Sheriff's Offce in Atlanta at 7:30 pm on January 8th 1981 and at 11:45 am on January 15th 1981, claiming responsibility for the recent Atlanta killings and giving directions to his latest victim. A search of the area failed to uncover any murder victims, resulting in the second telephone call to police by the white male, indicating they had searched the wrong area. The calls had been placed from a local convenience store. The caller made further threats to kill a white child from one of the subdivisions off Sigman Road in Conyers and giving a deadline of February 1st 1981. In between the two telephone calls, a search was conducted on January 10th 1981 close to Redwine Road and the I-285 in southwest Atlanta, uncovering the skeletal remains of two young children. Evidentiary value or "certain clues" were discovered at that location, which included The Best of Penthouse Letters: No.1 (a pornographic collectors edition), two pieces of white cloth with a blue stripe and magnetic recording tape.

Were these deliberately placed at the crime scene, or plain debris scattered at that location unrelated to the crime itself? Aural examination of the magnetic tape only revealed commercially recorded music. 

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The Atlanta murders are extremely unlikely to have any connection to the Zodiac Killer. However, that doesn't mean he can be unequivocally ruled out in being the responsible for some or all of the letters and telephone calls to police, We know of his propensity to claim crimes he wasn't a participant in, along with his willingness to write communications and direct police to the scene of his crimes. But the most important feature regarding the two telephone calls to the Conyers Sheriff's Office on January 8th and January 15th 1981, is that they were both recorded. The white male's voice giving directions to the dump sites of victims (whether they bore fruit or not), should be of significance when considering the alleged letter from the Zodiac Killer on March 8th 1981. Many media hoaxers are prevalent during serial killings, muddying the investigations and making it difficult to ascertain truth from fiction. But if the Zodiac Killer was present in Atlanta during the early 1980s, then these two recordings would be worth listening to. 
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Mo
7/23/2020 06:03:07 am

Welcome back Richard. We miss your work dearly.

Richard
7/23/2020 06:28:34 am

Cheers Mo, I thought you may have deserted the site. Nice to see you're still visiting.

Mr Grumpy
7/25/2020 04:57:42 am

Also welcome back from here. I used to be the one called Tom1 but was given a new moniker by one of your regulars.

Richard
7/23/2020 01:23:21 pm

Very interesting communication by DB Cooper (or imposter) in 1979 Rubislaw, arriving at 1611 West Peachtree Street, Atlanta, 30308, at the beginning of the Atlanta Child murders, bearing in mind the 1981 letter purportedly from Zodiac claiming some Atlanta murders and mailed to the same television station. The diction and spelling is the biggest difference, however, we do know that Zodiac deliberately feigned his writing style and spelling during the Zodiac murders. What I don't understand in respect to Zodiac and DB Cooper being argued as one person, is Zodiac was a narcissist and braggart. Actually claiming to be DB Cooper would have been far more beneficial to his ego, had Zodiac just admitted that he was the hijacker and daring escapologist. But no such confession. Regardless, an interesting crossover of the author of the typed 1979 communication, the beginning of the Atlanta murders and the same television station.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/23/2020 03:26:45 pm

Indeed , the December 31st 1979 letter to the same Atlanta address , and this time from D B Cooper , is new to me , also , and still a bit stunned by it . Particularly , since one would have expected the FBI to pick - up on the March 8th 1981 letter , from the Zodiac - immediately , and given that both letters , at the very very least , come under the heading of '' Extortion ''.

But , and attempting to be constructive , the man whom we believe to be the Zodiac , had to make a bit of a humiliating exit from his Bay area activities , in the latter half of 1971 , once Karl Werner's conviction showed the Zodiac up , for being a '' lying scoundrel '' in the eyes of the Bay area police .

So , it almost seems that the Zodiac went back to what he believed he knew best - re-inventing himself as other people , through his hoaxing correspondences . And , '' D B Cooper '' may have been his first new incarnation , following Dan Cooper's escapade on November 24th 1971 .

I would be fairly confident that the Zodiac's guises through the written word , didn't end there , and it is looking likely that he started to portray the Archangel St.Michael ,within another 18 months , in a long-standing feud ( in his head ) , with evangelist Rev.Billy Graham .

It's possible that in becoming the Zodiac , and successfully for about two years , opened up the real person that had been the Bay area urban terrorist , to a new world of variety of persona impersonations , and gave him enough kicks , to stave off actually killing people - for a while , anyway .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/23/2020 04:31:37 pm

Two titles of St.Michael :

Michael the Taxiarch ( Brigadier )

Ambassador of Paradise

Mo
7/23/2020 01:59:29 pm

Hey Richard,

A few comments:

-The man deemed responsible for the Atlanta Child Murders, Wayne Williams, was convicted of only two murders. Police weren’t able to connect him to the other 28 slayings. He continues to maintain his innocence.

-It’s very interesting that police have recordings of the caller directing them to the site of some killings. Those recordings that should have been shared with Nancy Slover, David Slaight and Bryan Hartnell for voice comparisons to Zodiac. All three of these people spoke to Zodiac.

-The Penthouse magazine is interesting. First, there might be a clue in the letters. Maybe he wrote a “Dear Penthouse” letter to the “editor”. It would be great if someone can track down that magazine and check the letters section.

-I also couldn’t help but notice the black hood on the cover. Obviously, he wouldn’t have had advance knowledge of the magazine cover design, but the hood could be a reminder of the notorious costume at Lake Berryessa.

Richard
7/23/2020 02:27:56 pm

The hooded image on the magazine immediately struck me also Mo. If the Zodiac Killer (even if slim chance) dropped these clues deliberately, then that is an obvious connection. The idea he had a letter published inside the magazine is a tantalizing thought and worthy of follow up. It is a shame that the Atlanta recordings were not played to Nancy Slover and David Slaight before their deaths (assuming they weren't), because there is much more likelihood of Zodiac interjecting himself into the Atlanta murders via communications and telephone calls, than actually being the murderer of any Atlanta children. Bryan Hartnell would be the only surviving option now. However, we must not forget that sometimes serial killers reinvent themselves, so some of the Atlanta murders may have been committed by someone other than Wayne Williams. It seemed rather convenient for police to tie all the murders into one neat bundle and palm them off on one person.

I believe the Zodiac Killer made many more phone calls in the Bay Area than the two he was credited with. Probably one after Late Herman Road, and the others to San Jose PD and Palo Alto police. So I wouldn't put it past him to send Atlanta cops on a wild goose chase. With many hoaxers afoot, it's unlikely Zodiac, but taking credit for other peoples murders, making telephone calls and directing police to the scene of the crime, along with a propensity to put pen to paper is evident in Atlanta. I believe the March 8th 1981 Atlanta letter is Zodiac, but could he have made those calls is the big question. An outside chance maybe, but certainly would be an interesting listen.

Richard
7/23/2020 03:10:43 pm

It's ironical that the purported Zodiac Killer used the word Rebels. Hustler magazine has had what would be considered a left-wing (liberal) editorial policy on economics, foreign policy, and social issues. Larry Flynt and Hustler are also noted for having a more populist and working-class outlook than the more upscale-oriented Playboy and Penthouse. Throughout the 1980s, Flynt used his magazine as a podium with which to launch attacks on the Reagan Administration and the Religious Right. He even published a short-lived political magazine called Rebel (albeit subsequent to the 1981 letter).

He is paralyzed from the waist down due to injuries sustained in a 1978 murder attempt by serial killer Joseph Paul Franklin.

Shawn
7/23/2020 08:27:04 pm

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

"Sympathy for the Devil"
Released Dec. 6, 1968

Richard
7/24/2020 05:35:29 am

The FBI files indicated that a Gallery magazine was also tested for fingerprints (dated January 1981). Gallery is an adult sex magazine published by Magna Publishing Group. It is one of the more popular "skin" magazines that arose on the Playboy magazine pattern in the 1970s.

The document states "Twenty-four latent fingerprints and one palm print previously reported on a Gallery magazine dated January 1981, Q10, and 52 latent fingerprints and three latent palm prints previously reported on a Penthouse magazine dated February 1981, Q11, have been identified as fingerprints and palm prints of (redacted) born (redacted).

That is all I have found as of today Mo.

Mo
7/25/2020 06:45:50 am

Thanks Richard!

It’s too bad that redacted information needs be unredacted by an FOIA. It would be nice if the information is automatically unredacted after a certain number of years.

Thanks again.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/24/2020 09:01:25 am

Girly magazine's for men , are often not far away in perceived links with the Zodiac .

Penthouse magazine in the U.S. saw its first issue , in September 1969 , having been published in the U.K. , since March 1965 .Fast becoming the main rival for Playboy magazine .

It looks likely , but yet proven , that a pornographic magazine was used to create the Day-by-Day forecast past-ups of December 1969 . And , a cut and paste officially confirmed D B Cooper correspondence , is known to have been created from June and July 1970 Playboy issues .

In their heyday , the best selling skin magazines were regarded highly , for their written word articles and contributions from established journalists , as much as for their '' photography '' .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/24/2020 09:38:21 am

If anyone takes an interest in the Cancer and Leo Zodiac paste-up correspondences of December 1969 , my tip to watch out for , is the '' Hang Ups '' expression , which I believe is unique font from a men's magazine .

Strangely perhaps , '' Hang Ups '' seems to be an euphemism for '' Bi-sexual '' , as expressed by the FBI , in documentation .

Personally , I believe that the Zodiac was heterosexual , but may have found problems with associates who weren't so sexually defined .

For those times ,'' echoing the stereotype bigot '' was the main type of bigotry , as expressed . Not much more than what we might refer to , as '' Politically Incorrect '' , today .

OH
7/24/2020 01:45:14 pm

Thanks for contiuning to create great articIes & theories, this is my go to website when in the mood to sIeuth

Richard
7/24/2020 02:16:17 pm

Thanks OH, much appreciated.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/24/2020 02:19:18 pm

Was the Zodiac doubling-up on his blame game ?

And , who is S.W.L ( ? ) , for whom he wishes that he '' acts now ! '' .

December 14th 1971 , two letters to the '' Oregonian '' News Paper ( sic ) , from a probable Colorado ( 970 ) .

One of the two letters , a '' cut and paste '' :

The Perfect Crime
Grant Me
Amnesty
Money Will Be
Returned
No Harm
Done
Answer By Way Of Public
Announcement Within 48 Hours
Yabba Dabba Doo ! I've Won
Admit You've Lost
Sincerely
W
S.W.L
Act Now !
Alais ( sic )
D B Cooper

i ) '' The Perfect Crime Grant , Sincerely W ''

Bill Grant ?

ii ) '' Alais D B Cooper ''

ALA - Leigh Allen ?

But , who is '' S.W.L Act Now ! '' ?

A Law Enforcement agent ( ? ) .

Any suggestions would be appreciated .

( Ref : D B Cooper FBI File 16 , Pages 402 - 408 )

Richard
7/24/2020 02:47:16 pm

SWL Screaming With Laughter possibly, but more likely Sent With Love.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/24/2020 04:44:16 pm

'' Sent With Love '' could be what the hoaxer has in mind , Richard .

'' Thinking of you '' and '' Home Sweet Home '' come to mind , as the sugar-coated sarcasm , in Avery's Halloween Card .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/24/2020 03:02:41 pm

I have to admit that '' Ala is D B Cooper '' is a bit spooky ( lol ) .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/24/2020 03:13:11 pm

Yes..then the writer corrects himself , in the second letter , with :

Alias

David Bartholomew Copperhead

Rubislaw 32 link
7/24/2020 04:20:35 pm

I suppose easy to over-intellectualise this hoaxed work , over the two letters , but....

We know that '' Alais '' was deliberate , because the hoaxer spells it , and means it correctly , in the second typed letter.

Then , we can consider Arthur Leigh Allen as a deliberate person of blame . Allen had been a top diver , and was a strong swimmer . So , if Dan Cooper had survived his '' sky dive '' , he would have had to have been as strong as Allen , in water , to have survived further .

Just in examining this '' Copperhead '' term , it is commonly a generic term for a number of different types of snakes . But , as a figurative expression , it historically refers to the White Peace Democrats of the North , during the American Civil War , who wanted appeasement with the Confederate Southerners .

Possibly , a bit of Dickens and David Copperfield going on there , also ( ? ) .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/24/2020 09:07:26 pm

Well ,I think that's it , for the '' Great Deceiver '' Zodiac , with his December 14th 1971 '' handiwork '' going to the FBI's office in Portland , and the Oregonian newspaper :

'' Grant is me , and I'm going to make Allen , Dan Cooper ''

Sent with Love (,,,as with Russia...)

What a hoot ?

Then , as was the Zodiac's predilection , he saved certain memories in his scrapbook , to use later .

Sometimes the Zodiac was '' himself '' , and sometimes he wanted the authorities to believe he was Grant .And , I think he became Grant as a library user , at JFK Vallejo and Civic Fairfield , as one example .

And , when he was no longer residing near enough to Grant , to persecute , then he often became St.Michael , and made Billy Graham the object of his spite . He would just pull out these personas , in correspondences , to suit his needs and moods .

Returning to December 31st 1979 , and he sent '' D B Cooper '' in to bat , with an Atlanta TV Station . What did he have to lose ? Not much , since ALA had become a convicted '' kiddie f*ddler '' , by then.

Just over a year later , he visited as himself , in the guise of someone that was care-free about murdering children . But , by then , maybe he thought that the message had well and truly got through to the authorities - that he was Grant , and he really had no further need to spell it out .

BB
7/25/2020 09:25:51 am

Excellent Rubislaw!

Rubislaw 32 link
7/25/2020 09:33:29 am

Thanks BB , and also to Richard....just the smallest extra details , like '' Sent with Love '' can make all the difference , in a persuasive scenario .

Just letting the dust settle , now .

I know what I want to do next , but I won't be informing the authorities , this time .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/24/2020 09:37:31 pm

Interesting ?

The Atlanta Child Murders took place between July 1979 and May 1981 , with an estimated 28 children or young adults , missing or dead , as a result .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/25/2020 07:12:41 am

I like what you have done to hang on to this Atlanta topic , Richard , for it focuses on the '' child '' ( minors ) side to the Zodiac's threats .

It seems now , that the Zodiac used the Atlanta Child Murders case , as yet another '' tool '' , as such . This being to perpetuate the false notion that innocents ought to continue fearing him , on the basis that he might harm their children .

But , also I think , to perpetuate the false notion that he was Grant , and that the authorities really ought to look into Grant's past .

What I hadn't realised before , was that the Zodiac had , by 1971 , already started to look at ways and means , that he could drag a '' perfectly innocent '' Arthur Leigh Allen into his , the Zodiac's , sordid and tangled world of deceit , and pass of blame on to Allen , if and when it suited .

This seems to be why the authorities were never able to rule out Allen . Allen was forever denying any involvement in the Zodiac case , but this December 14th 1971 double correspondence , puts him '' back in the game '' , purely on a '' potential complicity '' basis . And , again we see the D B Cooper letter of December 31st to the Atlanta TV Station , as another example of the authorities wondering if Allen still held '' Zodiac case complicity '' .

Arthur Leigh Allen just did not help his claims of innocence , being an unrepentant paedophilia felon . And , it seems that the Zodiac used Allen's suspect status , to his advantage .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/25/2020 08:07:00 am

And , dare I say , the presumed July 19th 1978 typed letter , to the SF Chronicle , now has its three elements explained .

i ) The murder of Brenda Page , five days before .

ii ) The fall from public grace of Detective Inspector Toschi .

iii ) The complicity of '' diver '' Arthur Leigh Allen .

The Zodiac's letters were often full of parody , ambiguity and contradiction , but his messages had real meaning , if we could only wade through the mire .

BB
7/25/2020 11:40:49 am


Something interesting on YouTube

Part 2: Forgotten witnesses who saw the Zodiac killer on December 20, 1968.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/25/2020 03:48:41 pm

Thanks BB , and I'll check that out .

For anyone that has had a look at the typed letter , to the presumed WXIA TV Station's manager , written by a claimed D B Cooper ( Zodiac ? ) on December 31st 1979 , they will have noticed that '' D B Cooper '' offered a '' calling card '' personalised code .

Something to interest those with a curiosity in the Zodiac's ciphers and puzzles . A thirteen digit number :

5346225496754

Zodiac followers might note that the '' My name is ----- '' cipher was 13 characters , in length . Also that Z263 was constructed with 13 columns , in the 1988 New Canaan Letters . And , that , according to me , anyway , the Celebrity Cypher is actually 5 rows of 13 columns , in its original grid construction .

So , '' 13 '' is not an unusual number to be found , in the puzzle work of the Zodiac ( 13 holes , also ? ) .

An interesting proposition , that 5346225496754 might have some inner meaning ( ? ) .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/25/2020 03:53:00 pm

For above , Refer : D B Cooper FBI File 43 Pages 357 - 363 .

BB
7/26/2020 09:43:58 am

Cars went from 13 digit vins to 17 in 1981

Rubislaw 32 link
7/26/2020 09:50:17 am

How strange , that in the Zodiac's case , he seemed to move , from 17 columns in his ciphers , to 13 .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/25/2020 04:11:51 pm

Priceless Zodiac ?

December 14th 1971 : '' Grant Me , ALA is D B Cooper ''

December 31st 1979 : ''...you can be assured of only one ' authentic ' D B Cooper . ''

Rubislaw 32 link
7/25/2020 04:28:50 pm

Another spelling error noted , in the December 14th 1971 '' cut and paste '' :

Instead of '' Announcement '' , the writer has displayed :

'' Annocement '' = Anno Cement or An No Cement ( ? )

Rubislaw 32 link
7/25/2020 04:39:34 pm

....and further , that in the other typed letter , the writer had typed :

''...thanks everybody , for their cooperation an hospitality...''

So ,the writer has written '' an '' instead of '' and '' .

Hence , we might assume that '' Annocement '' equates to :

'' And No Cement ''

BB
7/25/2020 06:00:02 pm

Paradice could hint at the Zodiac being a frequent gambler

https://calendars.wikia.org/wiki/Playing_Card_Calendar

Rubislaw 32 link
7/25/2020 07:18:53 pm

An interesting thought .

The assumption is often made that one would have to head off to NV ,for legal gambling . But , from what I have heard , Vallejo was the place to come to , in the Bay area , for its basement gaming houses , usually open from the afternoons through to a time , at the proprietor's discretion . Often used by off-duty policemen , as well as others , from all walks of life .

BB
7/26/2020 11:37:42 am

That is interesting.
William Crow is a criminal attorney that has lived in Vallejo his whole life.
He surly knows the Zodiac case. And probably the main men involved too.
Why won't he come forward? His story is very fishy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHSHa0vVL2I

Rubislaw 32 link
7/26/2020 11:53:58 am

Interesting about Crow who , was giving his girlfriend's car a test drive and , subsequently drove into the car park to look under the car's hood , with its engine not appearing to fire fluently .

That is when he noticed the car which , had appeared to have been following him - a 1966 blue and white Plymouth Valiant .

Apparently a witness police report , referring to Crow , has changed in the intervening years ( ? ) .

It is possible , with investigator's permission , from Crow .

Perhaps it is the case that LE don't want the public to be confident about which model of car was used by the Zodiac , that December 1968 evening ( ? ) .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/26/2020 07:44:45 am

I'll simply state this , though it may have no bearing , in particular , the real local link , between Grant and Allen , was Lyndon Lafferty .

Lafferty knew Allen , from Secondary school days , and always got on well , when they happened to bump into each other . The sense from Lafferty was that Allen wasn't the sort of person one should consider becoming best friends with , but was an O.K. guy , if one treated him with the normal courtesies and respect . Allen had come through schooling as the '' top jock '' with his athletic prowess and excellence , as a diver . He was revered to an extent , but it didn't seem to help him , with female admiration . Perhaps they didn't feel comfortable with him , but it doesn't seem to have been , though the lack of his trying . It seems that he didn't possess '' smooth edges '' .

Lafferty knew Grant through the friendship between his wife , Yvonne and Grant's wife , Marian . Yvonne and Marian were colleagues at work , as legal secretaries . Lafferty found Marian to be a delightful person , but found Grant to be insufferable , and attempted to socialise with Grant , as little as possible . Bearing in mind that Grant was eventually cleared , as a Zodiac suspect , by DNA ( ...as was Allen...) , one can't help feeling that if Lafferty had got to know Grant better , that he might have had less enthusiasm for suspecting Grant to be the Zodiac .

But , Grant just doesn't seem to have been the sort of person , to place faith in any close friendship with anyone . Whereas , Allen was '' up '' for most things , in life .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/26/2020 01:26:20 pm

'' T'is the season for Butterfield Bashing '' , so it would seem , at a certain site that claims to be the only Zodiac site that is recognised by law enforcement .

Yes , but recognised for what , is the question ( ? ) .

For cooking up a non-suspect , for being something other , than an innocent and deceased journalist and humanitarian , perhaps .

The last time that the Zodiac community witnessed '' Butterfield Bashing '' was in the days following March 26th 2019 - and , at the very same site .

Coincidence ? Looks unlikely - just a sign of that very same site nosediving in popularity , once again .

Gosh...has anyone checked on ZodiacKiller Reddit , recently ?

35,000 members ( ! ) , and still steadily rising in popularity .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/26/2020 07:47:08 pm

Best I can do , so far , is opt for alphabetic substitution on :

5346225496754

Remember the San Jose Cryptogram's first clue , was '' FB '' ?

And , that almost certainly turned into '' FBI '' , since the '' pointer '' ended up , as '' Man , you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allan Poe '' in answer to Dr.Marsh's challenge .

Let's see , anyway :

5346225496754 = ECDFBBEDIFGED

Split into : ECD FB BE DIF GED

Most common ECD acronym = Early Child Development

Most common GED acronym = General Education Development

Hence : '' Early Child Development Federal Bureau '' be different '' General Education Development ''

Rubislaw 32 link
7/26/2020 08:01:54 pm

See that '' FBI '' ?

The Zodiac stuffed you , again .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/26/2020 10:49:13 pm

Very Zodiac-esque .

The Green Manalishi with the Two Prong Crown , by Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac , May 1970 .

'' Cause you're the Green Manalishi with a two-pronged crown . All my trying is up , all your bringing is down .''

Peter Green : Oct.29th 1946 - July 25th 2020 .

R.I.P.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/27/2020 10:50:38 am

At the time of the Zodiac's reign of terror , Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac had moved to California , to further their career , and demands to hear the now legend , that was Peter Green , play .

Green Manalishi was recorded at Hollywood , in April 1970 . Some talk of the song being about LSD , and some about money . But , one can't help feeling that the Zodiac may have been an influence .

'' Bustin' on my dreams , doing things I don't want to do...''

One day ago :

''The world has lost its greatest blues guitarist , with the perfect blues voice . ''

Richard
7/27/2020 04:10:10 pm

Those FBI files are very strange Rubislaw. Sometimes I can access particular ones, and other times not. I tried to access the DB Cooper links you provided but couldn't access them. No 16 I believe.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/27/2020 09:29:22 pm

That's extraordinary , Richard .

Apart from a straight 48 hours , just after I had posted an explanation for the '' copying '' details , at the foot of the '' D B Cooper I knew '' letter , I have had full access to the D B Cooper FBI Vaults .

Of course , I take it that you realise that some of the files require a secondary access ?

But ,if it takes time for you to gain full access , I have now posted threads on both the D B Cooper files ( Ciphers section ) , and Billy Graham files ( Misc. section ) , at zodiackillermystery.freeforums.net

Personally , part of the reason for messing me around is , because the de-coding I have down on the '' I knew '' letter , flies in the face of what Rick Sherwood attempted to do , to prove a Robert Rackstraw link , to D B Cooper , three years ago .

It actually suits the FBI , for one false solve ( Sherwood's ) to be widely known , without anyone challenging it ( potentially me ) .

There is some very interesting correspondences , in both sets of files , to be viewed . It might be that I hold potential advantages , with some privately held handwriting exemplars , which various branches of law enforcement hold also - but of course , can't be sure of this .

Can you access D B Cooper FBI File 14 Page 296&297 ( ? ) , for example .

That's '' stone cold '' Zodiac ( Dec.2nd 1971 ) , and marries well with ABSCAM FBI File 1 Page 36 .....and a number of correspondences , from the Billy Graham Files .

I certainly have a lot to think about , myself , but don't hesitate to push any questions to me , regarding the FBI files , specifically or in general .

Rubislaw 32 link
7/27/2020 10:58:30 pm

I 'll just post this '' part solve '' of the copying details to D B Cooper's '' I knew '' typed letter , so that anyone that might take an interest , is in no doubt .

Rick Sherwood , perfectly decent man that he is , has it all wrong , with a Robert Rackstraw link .

The following '' is '' the Zodiac , and the FBI are behaving like '' complete w*nkers '' for withholding the codes information , for the New York Times and Seattle Times newspapers .

Copying details for the D B Cooper 's '' I knew '' letter , December 11th 1971 :

ccccccc ( The '' Seven Seas '' )

WASH Post - '' Purchase Price Part - I inserted ten cents ''

NEW York Times - '' A 10-digit code ''

SEAttle Times - '' A 10-digit code ''

LOS Angeles Times - '' You see - Thanks ''

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Now , the potential for a simple message from the Zodiac ( ? ) , presents itself , and will look like this :

'' Purchase Price Part - I inserted ten cents . -------------- . -------------- . You see - Thanks .''

If the FBI could simply provide the two 10-digit codes , as assigned to the New York Times and Seattle Times , then the full simple message will emerge .

This is down to my deciphering , with no boasting about it .

The FBI's Crytanalysis Unit know perfectly well , what they are withholding . In effect , the two 10-digit codes , as assigned to the New York Times and Seattle Times . And , have now solved them , using cipher keys that I gave them ( Yes , indeed ) .

But , of course , and as things stand , they don't feel inclined to reciprocate my generosity to them .

Perhaps the FBI might have a change of heart ( ? ) , and let everyone see that the '' I knew '' letter was authored by the Zodiac - beyond a reasonable doubt .

We can only live in hope .

Richard
7/28/2020 02:05:22 am

"My name is" - yes I can access file 14. Thanks for the information Rubislaw. I wonder what was redacted in that file. Not dissimilar writing.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/28/2020 02:24:07 am

Yes Richard , there certainly is a '' bunch of stuff '' redacted , in the File 14 .

I think that the FBI have been hiding a Zodiac link to D B Cooper correspondences , all along . It's just that they could justify it to themselves , since they may have no forensics evidence .

It does make one think , apart from other aspects , that the Zodiac had become particularly well practised at going through routines , in his correspondence creating , that minimised the chances of him leaving forensics '' markers '' .

BB
7/27/2020 06:29:08 pm

In the summer of 1981 in Miami Beach Florida lived a Psychopath.

His name was Jeffery Dahmer.
Though Dahmer confessed to 17 murders - he was a liar.
At least 11 of Dahmer's victims were decapitated.
Miami Beach is less than 20 miles south of Hollywood.
Where on July 27, 1981 Adam Walsh was killed.
By a man fitting Dahmer's description.
And, by a man driving a blue van.
Just like the one Dahmer drove.

Adam's head was found two weeks later in a canal.
The cops will never admit they made a mistake though.
Ottis Toole is the killer according to Henry Lee Lucas.
What a load of crap! Truth is they were patsy's - the
police used to clear unsolved murders off the books.
Hundreds

Rubislaw 32 link
7/28/2020 08:37:06 am

Are you still shut-out on File 16 , Richard ?

My operating skills are limited but , perhaps a regular reader or contributor could paste and post you the information ( ? ) .

The system for potentially gaining information from institutions like the FBI , is much more liberal in the USA , than the UK - so , I do not mean to appear to be often moaning , at these institutions....but there are instances , in the last five years , in particular , where certain events , like the hounding out of office of a senior policeman , has happened , as a result of abuse of work that I have sent the FBI who , have passed the information on , elsewhere .

It's not that I never make official complaints - sometimes I do . But , it seems to serve no real constructive purpose , and just makes one more jaundiced .

Here's a tip , if you really want to annoy the authorities : Contact a bereaved of victim , and give them some extra information that they would not normally have found out , through the proper channels . Just be sure that the information you have , is correct .

An anarchist's cookbook for sleuths ? Now , that's a thought .

Richard
7/28/2020 12:08:44 pm

The page is just a blank when I click it. Can you snip and email it, or link it using Ricardo's forum. Give it a couple of days and see if I can access it.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/28/2020 12:33:54 pm

Well , this is all very mystifying , Richard .

I've just checked on D B Cooper File 16 , and '' no problems '' , based on secondary access .

Not only is it fascinating for the double correspondence ( cut & Paste and typed letter ) , that went to the Oregonian and FBI Office , Portland.( Pages 402 - 408 ) , but also , Page 283 gives the '' I knew '' typed letter , that only became '' official '' , in 2017 .

I don't have the basic operating skills , to deliver these pages to you .

BB makes regular visits here . Perhaps he can help ?

Richard
7/28/2020 02:11:59 pm

I'll try using a different browser tomorrow Rubislaw.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/28/2020 09:14:58 pm

On an interesting point about the '' I knew '' letter ( which is eponymous now , anyway ) is , that it didn't suddenly emerge in 2017 , from '' nowhere '' .

It has been in the FBI Files , for a long time , but was '' deemed '' official , by the FBI in 2017 . A similar scenario for the Zodiac case would be , if the CA DOJ suddenly announced that a Zodiac '' unconfirmed '' letter , was now deemed '' confirmed '' .

A scenario that would be a surprise to those followers of the Zodiac case ( ? ) .

And , I believe that I now understand why . A reason that is lost on those in the D B Cooper community that think that Robert Rackstraw was Dan Cooper . They are largely in denial that the FBI investigated Rackstraw , as far back as 1978 - and eliminated him from their enquiries , then .

Like the ever - diminishing '' Gykers '' ( ? ) . They just skirt over the history of the case , largely in denial - and seem determined to eat their hats .

BB
7/28/2020 01:09:36 pm

tell me how to do that

I will give it a try

Richard
7/28/2020 01:56:33 pm

Use the snipping tool in Windows 10, then download.

Rubislaw 32 link
7/28/2020 02:41:27 pm

Official D B Cooper letter to Reno Newspaper , November 27th 1971 :

'' Thanks for Hospitality...''

Official D B Cooper letter to Vancouver's Provence Newspaper , November 30th 1971 :

'' Thanks for your Hospitality....''

Unofficial letter to FBI's Portland Office , Oregon , December 14th 1971 :

''...thanks everybody , for their cooperation an hospitality...''

Rubislaw 32 link
7/29/2020 05:14:08 am

On a matter of general commentary , if one takes the time to examine the ABSCAM FBI Files , I believe that may be between 6 and 12 examples of the Zodiac's letters , with a greater preponderance of typed letters , but at least 3 handwritten .

These letters started in February 1980 , and may have continued for about 18 months - by the time , anyway , that the fuss over the whole notion of the FBI electing to spring the surprise of ambushing corrupt politicians , was dying down .

The Zodiac started out , with letters of praise of the FBI tactics , but as time went on , started to produce letters that accused the FBI of entrapment .

The ABSCAM files shows the Zodiac's capacity for the employment of hoaxing as a sport . And , this is completely different from a number of letters that I believe that the Zodiac sent Rev.Billy Graham , between 1973 and 2009 . These letters were largely an extension of his angst , using Graham as a figurative object , with which to express the Zodiac's angst and suffering .

As an initial assessment on the D B Cooper letters , that I so far believe , are the responsibility of the Zodiac , I believe that we observe the Zodiac , somewhere between employing his correspondences , for the purposes of sport , and as tools to play a blame game , attempting to distance his real self from culpability for his persona's , the Zodiac's crimes .

For , the Zodiac , more often than not , simply couldn't help himself with the compulsion to put pen to paper - to express his inner feelings at a given time , as well as his sensitivity to , and curiosity with the world around him .

BB
7/29/2020 12:36:36 pm

Sorry it is not responding for me

In the meantime - I hope you will check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUeHI06HavE

The only thing that will pull us out - of the hell we find ourselves
in - is to in-act a federal jobs program like what pulled us out of
the great depression. But the fascists will just demonize that as
a diabolical leftist communistic conspiratorial scheme.

BB
7/31/2020 03:30:27 pm

www.chinesezodiac.com/calculator.php

The year of Citizen Kane
Jan 27, 1941 – Feb 14, 1942
Was the year of the Snake

These times are significant to Randolph A Hearst [The most powerful of the 5 sons of William R Hearst]
The symbol behind his DOB - Dec. 2, 1915 - The year of the rabbit
R.A Hearst Family, 233 W. Santa Inez Ave, Hillsborough, Cal, 94010
The letter was addressed to Randolph Hearst's family
He was the father of Patty Hearst - His father was Born: April 29, 1863, San Francisco, CA
And died in the year of the Rabbit: August 14, 1951, Beverly Hills, CA
He went to St. Paul's School, Harvard College
St. Paul being emblematic to the Zodiac killer

https://chinesenewyear.net/zodiac/


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