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THE 8-YEAR-OLD WITNESS - THE STORY SO FAR

6/11/2016

 
In recent days some excellent progress has been made in an often sterile investigation, with ever more avenues hitting blind alleys and dead ends. On June 2nd 2016, after repeated attempts, Alex Lewis [Welsh Chappie] was able to secure the release of a previously redacted FBI document under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The document was relevant to the brutal murder of Paul Stine at Presidio Heights on October 11th 1969. There were two sightings of the Zodiac Killer that night by [1] The three teenagers who observed Zodiac in and around the taxicab from a residence across the street and [2] Officer Donald Fouke and Eric Zelms, two patrolmen traveling westward on Jackson Street. From these a description and composite sketch of the killer was generated. But a third sighting lay buried in the FBI Zodiac files, and it is this document that has created a further opening.      
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The document effectively reads "Xenophon Lusby Anthony, WMA, DOB 28th February 1931, Resides at 3218 Jackson Street, San Francisco. For Info Ident Division, San Francisco Police Department advised; 8 year old witness in murder of cab driver identified Anthony as possible subject in this matter". 

Of course this doesn't mean that the identified man is the Zodiac Killer, because all we know is that the 8-year-old witness named this subject. The Zodiac Killer exited the taxicab, headed north up Cherry Street and turned eastward along Jackson Street. 3218 Jackson Street is situated five and a half blocks from the intersection of Jackson and Cherry Street, between Walnut Street and Presidio Avenue, approximately 12 minutes walking time from the crime scene.

​The next task is to examine the wording on the document. Does "witness in murder of cab driver" mean that the witness was close to the murder scene in progress, or simply a witness relating to the murder of Paul Stine. It depends how you interpret the phraseology. The closer the 8-year-old witness was to the corner of Washington and Cherry Street and the taxicab itself, the more relevant this information becomes. A sighting of a man walking somewhere on Jackson Street around the relevant time period may be important, but an identification near to the crime scene, particularly around 9:55-10:00 pm that night is far more substantial.
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The logical place to investigate this further, would be the residence closest and directly overlooking the taxicab crime scene -that of 3898 Washington Street. Had the 8-year-old observed the crime from here, then the child was likely only a matter of 20 to 30 feet away, adding credence to the sighting. This can be achieved by crossing residence records with ancestry, to find out if an 8-year-old child was resident at this address on October 11th 1969. This was suggested to Dave Oranchak of Zodiackillerciphers.com, who then took the baton and did an excellent internet investigation to unearth some very interesting details. 

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The occupant of 3898 Washington Street had four children, but the question was, were any of these children 8 years of age on October 11th 1969. ​There was one, a male born on August 4th 1961, aged 8 years and 2 months at the time of the Paul Stine murder. But was he looking out of his window on that fateful night, or indeed, was he the 8-year-old witness mentioned in the FBI document? This has yet to be determined, nevertheless, it provides a tantalizing prospect.

This named subject in the document cannot be concretely linked to the Zodiac Killer story, only that Xenophon Lusby Anthony was named in the unredacted FBI document.

What we do know however, is​ that the 8-year-old child was mentioned as a witness in the murder of Paul Stine and had to be reasonably close to the subject to confidently identify him shortly after the crime. But what the subject was doing and where he was, is totally dependent on the address of the 8-year-old, or whether the identification was correct. 
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Thanks to Alex Lewis and Dave Oranchak.

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​To further discuss this subject visit;
http://www.zodiacciphers.com/welsh-chappie---zodiac-news/eight-year-old-witness-identified-name-release​
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http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=3080​  

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 07:13:33 am

" The next task is to examine the wording on the document. Does 'witness in murder of cab driver' mean that the witness was close to the murder scene in progress, or simply a witness relating to the murder of Paul Stine. It depends how you interpret the phraseology. "
I too looked at it like that but here's the thing....

This document states that the witness Identified Anthony as possible subject in the homicide of Cab driver Stine. Now the only way a witness, any witness at all, could implicate a person as the possible responsible, is if they observed that person at the cab itself.

It's the SFPD who are requesting the services of the IDENT DIVSN here and I simply cannot believe or ever see that such a LE agency would declare that a witness stated A Xenophon Anthony is the possible subject responsible for this crime if that said witness had never observed the responsible at or within the cab itself. The SFPD imply here that the witness directly implicates Anthony as possibly responsible and the only way this witness can do such a thing is if they first see Anthony, or someone they believe to be Anthony, at the cab.

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 07:22:45 am

It has also been inferred that we don't know for sure that when the reference to the eight year old witness is actually a witness of that said age in 1969. Well that's simply untrue, the document clearly states on Page one at the very top "URGENT: 11 - 6 - 69 MS" as to when the document was sent by the San Francisco Police Dpt and at the foot of Page One there is also a date stamp as to when it was received by the FBI stating "NOV191969" or November 19th, 1969. The pages I uploaded clearly show this.

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 08:05:58 am

Rich, quick correction needed mate.... You state: "On the 8th June 2016 after repeated attempts, Alex Lewis [Welsh Chappie] was able to secure the release of a previously redacted FBI document under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). "

That's when I made it public, I actually got it around June 1st or 2nd but the actual relevant release date is seen on the Page I uploaded showing 'MAY 26, 2016' as per sent to me by the DOJ.

Richard
6/17/2016 08:47:04 am

Do you want me to put the correct hour and minute as well, and what colour shirt you were wearing that day. emoticon smile. lol.

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 09:16:28 am

I am not sure the exact time the postage arrived, I believe it to be approx. 2 - 2:30pm, GMT.
Color of Shirt (T-Shirt) was Blue, one small logo of a Nike Tick at Left Chest area.
But we don't need to get too specific *laughing*

No the only reason I mention it Rich is because Mike has already implied the name 'ANTHONY' doesn't fit the redact how He originally remembered it, and you know it will happen next, someone one will object: "How is it you say it was June 8, when Mr Chappies 'So called' documentation clearly declares the date is MAY 26, 2016? Which of you is lying and who hoaxed the release of the name in the document?"

Skeptical people will cling to anything they can to discredit something......I'm told hehe.

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 09:24:46 am

Incidentally, if anyone wants photocopies of the actual documents themselves and the Kane info or either of, I'll happily forward to an address to prove I haven't just randomly picked some guy living on Jackson St at the time and forged the document release. "Anthony does not fit the redact space, FORGER!"

I mean what more can I do than upload the FOIA request No, along with the pages showing the DOJ is releasing two pages post review? "HOAXER!!" Ummm, OK, Lol

Richard
6/17/2016 01:44:22 pm

This avenue of investigation may stop right here, there is little left to discover on the internet regarding this subject. Other than picking the fading memory of the 8 year old witness, who is now 54, I cannot see how this line of inquiry has any longevity. It is a shame after such an interesting finding.

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 02:14:06 pm

No I myself, when first learning the subject was a resident of Presidio Heights and Jackson Street, simply assumed that there would be much to find about Him by way of a simple google search. This area is, after all, one full of business leaders, Company CEO's and high wage incomes. Type Kjell Qvale into google and you'll find page after page of info. Xenophon, on the other hand, seems mysteriously absent as far as His biographical history goes.
I did notice Mike-R had said that this to Him was very Un-Zodiac like, and that He would expect a super ego and attention seeking personality like Zodiac to be in the papers for His every day achievements, like Mr Q.
I've always believed, and previous statements I have made on other threads down the years will show this, that Zodiac's persona on paper and the personality that He created was invented because in real life, He was completely opposite. This bragging confrontational and in your face personality on paper was terrified of facing another Male unarmed. Nancy Slover said His way of speaking way monotone like, but that His voice was actually soft spoken and quiet. Dave Slaight also noted He spoke almost in a whisper when declaring 'I'm the one that did it'

Now if His true personality was like that which comes across on paper then I'd be expecting Him to be loud and boisterous, on the phone every half hour to Paul Avery.

I don't think that the man's true personality is anything like His alter ego Zodiac. And the point Mike makes is Kinda Counter Intuitive when He says Anthony was not seeking publicity unlike Mr Q who featured in the Chronicle several times. Well, that's just it. If you already have the Chronicle dedicating space to you for your Business achievements, your a lot less likely to crave that attention that you've already been awarded.

If we are to agree with Mr Sherwood Morrill's finding that Zodiac's letters are free flowing and consistent and therefore written in the Writers natural hand, then is the man Really going to be seeking attention from media sources?
The reason He reveled in His status as a Chronicle and all round Media sensation is likely due to His never having been the center of the media attention before.

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 02:55:43 pm

"This avenue of investigation may stop right here, there is little left to discover on the internet regarding this subject."

I agree that little is found on the net about Xen, but when the answer cannot be found, you simply have to change the question, so to speak. The internet is one tool or source of information, there are many many more out there. Come on Richard you can't concede before you've lost man lol.

Richard
6/17/2016 02:15:00 pm

Welsh, you may be very interested in this;
https://www.searchquarry.com/namesearch/name_register.phtml?recordtype=Jail&fname=Xenophon&lname=Anthony&city=&state=CA&courthouse=Marin%20County%20Jail%20Records%20Database&court_city=&court_state=&age=85&zip=&co=&trackstat=irjr&aliasid=incarceration&recordtype=Jail&type=

Richard
6/17/2016 02:17:33 pm

https://www.searchquarry.com/namesearch/initial_results.phtml?trackstat=irjr&recordtype=Jail&fname=xenophon&lname=anthony&city=&state=CA

Richard
6/17/2016 02:42:53 pm

http://www.usdirectoryfinder.com/result.php?firstname=xenophon&lastname=anthony&state=CA

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 02:45:11 pm

Say's I have to pay $2.95 Rich to see results.

Richard
6/17/2016 03:20:12 pm

I know, but the point being is there are likely arrest or criminal records for the said subject, maybe.

Richard
6/17/2016 03:21:43 pm

What I mean is there are records, whether anybody chooses to pay or not.

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 04:32:28 pm

Yeah that's what I thought the findings implicate. Xen Anthony has been found in a prison records, but to know which Xen and for what Crime specifically, Three Quid.

Greg H.
6/18/2016 11:24:52 pm

I'd be reluctant to pay any money, even if it's only a fairly small amount, for these 'instantcheckmate' style sites, guys.. During a preliminary search they will give the appearance there's juicy gossip about someone that you can access by payng them, but I'm skeptical: I entered my own name into the system and it brought me to exactly the same screen display as the one you have linked on Xenophon.. It tantalized about retrieving criminal records and so on.. The thing is, I don't have any criminal record; I've never been arrested, etc.. If you type anyone's name into the search engine they'll make it out appear there's a black box on the person so that you'll pony up.. For all we know, there could be dirt on Xenophon, but my point is just to approach those background digging sites with a grain of salt...

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 02:37:15 pm

"Other than picking the fading memory of the 8 year old witness, who is now 54, I cannot see how this line of inquiry has any longevity."

There are more than just the witness and His/Her recollection to be picked in this instance Rich. The witness Identified Xenophon and did so to the SFPD. Some of it's rank, both past and I dare say Present, will have further details on this incident. I just find it very odd and strange why it was simply not mentioned what-so-ever at the time and that is regardless of the person named and who they were. Before I knew the Identity of the person named as Xenophon, I couldn't get my head around the fact that this case had a witness ID someone, and that this fact had never been mentioned at all.

Some may say it is because subsequent investigation ruled Anthony out and He may have had an alibi. Well I would argue then in that case, all the more reason to not avoid mentioning this ID. What's wrong with declaring "Yes, a witness on scene did give us a name, but we investigated, and that named individual was not in San Fran on this night."

If the eight year old, however, had never named anyone He recognized, but rather, was driven past a man on Jackson Street on the night itself that a cop had stopped and then ID Him by sight, then that is harder to dismiss as non relevant.

The reason I keep harping on about this witness Identifying Xenophon on the night in person is because the word Identify is not a general term to blanket all sorts but has a definition of 'To Pick out, know by sight. Give a name to' among others.
Now you could argue that to know by sight and give a name to is to recognize who He saw at the cab but How likely is it that A kid of Eight will see a man at the cab and recognize Him by name thinking 'Oh, that's Mr Anthony' unless His parents are close friends with Xen's family?

And if Xen were pals with this childs parents and knew them fairly well, how likely is it that, if Xen were Z, He'd choose to kill stine outside His friends front door? He's already gone one extra block, for what, to kill outside the house of a close friend? Na, makes no sense.

If Xen is Z, and again, I am writing this more in the hypothetical than factual, then for me, any identification made by this kid was done so on scene or close to it on the night itself by way of, as one definition of the word Identify will tell you, 'To Point out.'

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 03:10:05 pm

Hey Rich, there is another redacted suspect in a document that, while not Identified by a witness, the document nevertheless states that the suspect 'Resides in the vicinity of most recent murder.' Wonder who that is? It's in the Vault, under zodiac killer part 02 of 06 and page 9.

It states specifically: "

The ident division is requested to compare the finger prints, if located, of the following two suspects:

REDACTED NAME - WMA, RESIDING -REDACTED ADDRESS- SAN FRANCISCO, -REDACT NAME- RESIDING IN VICINITY OF MURDER SITE OF LATEST VICTIM."

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 03:14:28 pm

Hey Mike, the above may turn out to indicate that Mr Q had been investigated after all, lol. Could be Qvale the above is referencing, never know. States WMA resides in vicinity of most recent murder site. Care to file for a release Mike? ::-)

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 03:16:59 pm

Actually, I say that initially as a bit of a joke, but I just recalled that Qvale got angry when it was made known to Him that His prints have been sent to be compared with the believed Zodiac print.

In all seriousness, I bet that is a reference to Qvale.

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 03:26:42 pm

Kjell's actual words were: "He (Rodelli) has nothing on me, it's all circumstantial! I have a lot of assets to bring to bear, and that son of a bitch is going to be sorry he did it."

Bet that's the request for Kjell's prints there in this document. I may file a FOIA now just because I Feel Mike has threatened my research and when I get the release name back, and if and when it is confirmed to be Kjell's prints requested be compared, I can shoot down Mikey's claims that Kjell has never been investigated by declaring "Oh no, it's better than that Mike, He's Had His prints compared to the suspected Zodiac prints according to this official documentation from the FBI. Care to comment? Lol

Richard
6/17/2016 03:15:51 pm

Here is quick access to the image.

Richard
6/17/2016 03:16:25 pm

Sorry here
http://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/2834238_orig.gif

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 03:20:51 pm

Yeah, that;s the one Rich. I bet you a FOIA for this name release wil reveal Qvale. Bet you anything. Qvale laughed it off as absurd that Mike had believed Him to be Z and said "You couldn't find anyone in the World less likely to be Zodiac than me." Then He seemed to switch from Jovial to Angry when He was told His prints were being sent to be compared to the Zodiac evidence.

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 03:31:42 pm

I'm going to file a FOIA for this suspect name release. I want Mike and I to have a friendly wager of £100 ($200) that the resulting release, which they will send me as long as suspect is deceased, is going to be one Kjell Hammond Qvale of Jackson Street?

I'll post the release if and when I get it either way, you have my word and that is whether I am correct or incorrect?

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 03:40:20 pm

Rich, I'm adding the document on my latest post regarding Xen's name, under the uploaded documents, tell me what you think?

Alex Lewis
6/17/2016 03:43:53 pm

Done!

Richard
6/17/2016 04:02:14 pm

What about seven seven nineteen.

Richard
6/17/2016 04:09:06 pm

His date of birth if written like Xenophon Anthony, of July 7, 1919, would read seven seven nineteen and therefore not fit in the blacked out region after DOB.
http://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/8808059_orig.gif

Richard
6/18/2016 02:11:21 pm

Have you read this interesting mystery of the mystery man who committed suicide near Saddleworth Moor. He had a return ticket from London to Manchester and died from Strychnine poisoning. Well worth a read.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-e8c6cbab-da44-4a3c-8f9b-c4fccd53dd24


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