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PRESIDIO HEIGHTS-THE FINAL DESTINATION

2/8/2018

 
Here is a portion of the charter for taxicabs and sedans "Drivers of taxicabs and sedans shall keep an accurate waybill specifically setting forth the time of hire and discharge, the number of passengers, the origin and destination and the charges authorized and made for each trip". It is believed Paul Stine was returning back to the theater district after dropping off a passenger at the San Francisco International Airport, when he received his final dispatch from the assistant traffic manager of the Yellow Cab Company, Leroy Sweet. The police report stated "the last dispatch given the victim was at 9:45 pm to 500 9th Ave. apt. #1. Victim allegedly never arrived at the above location as the dispatch was reassigned to another cab at 9:58 pm. R/Os noted that the meter of the cab was running, indicating that the victim possibly picked up another fare (suspect) en route to his original assignment". The language used, that "the victim possibly picked up another fare (suspect) en route to his original assignment" seems to suggest that the exact location of Zodiac entering the taxicab has not been pinned down, despite the charter indicating the origin of the fare be noted. Investigators took a reading of the taxicab meter at 10.46 pm and calculated the Zodiac likely entered the taxicab somewhere in or close to Union Square.     
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The attack on Paul Stine was specified as 9:55 pm in the police report - this being the time the three teenagers first spotted the taxicab outside their window. We actually don't know how long it was sitting there prior to the eyewitness testimony, but we will estimate 9:54-9:55 pm. The journey time from Union Square, traveling through in excess of thirty intersections to Washington and Cherry Street, is approximated on Google maps as 12 minutes. However, the taxicab, on a busy Saturday night, would have arrived in 9-10 minutes had Leroy Sweet's 9:45 pm statement been accurate. Leroy Sweet directed Paul Stine to a fare on 500 9th Avenue, and the assumption was, that somewhere en route the Zodiac Killer flagged down the taxicab.

​It seems unlikely that Paul Stine would stop for a random customer on the off chance he was going in roughly the same direction. If you pulled up and the person stated he was going in the opposite direction, do you just simply say sorry, and drive off. It is more likely that your taxicab is stationary when your potential fare approaches, just as your receiving the dispatch from Leroy Sweet to proceed to 
500 9th Avenue. Then, upon hearing a destination of Washington and Cherry, it makes perfect sense to accommodate the pedestrian because you are traveling in that direction anyway. A 9-10 minute journey is possible, but it's a tight timeline.

Then we factor in another statement in the police report: "Victim allegedly never arrived at the above location as the dispatch was reassigned to another cab at 9:58 pm."  Even if we take this journey at 10 minutes, Paul Stine has to drop this passenger off, and then proceed to 500 9th Avenue, which is a further journey time of 5 minutes from the Washington and Cherry intersection. Trimming this down to 4 minutes - and allowing for the previous passenger to pay and vacate the vehicle - we have a minimum journey time to 500 9th Avenue from Union Square of 14 minutes, which is a stretch. From a starting point of 9:45 pm, this should have Paul Stine reaching 500 9th Avenue at 9:59 pm. Yet, reading between the lines, Leroy Sweet is already reassigning this fare to another taxicab at 9:58 pm. How did Leroy Sweet conclude that Paul Stine was somehow late?          

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Unless, Paul Stine wasn't approaching the theater district when he got the radio message to proceed to 500 9th Avenue - but was well into his journey to Washington and Cherry - and Zodiac was already seated in the rear of the taxicab, having entered the vehicle several minutes before. If this were the case, and Leroy Sweet knew that Paul Stine was much closer to 500 9th Avenue than Union Square or thereabouts, then it could be argued that he would reallocate the fare to another taxicab, that wouldn't be justified after just 13 minutes (9:58 pm minus 9:45 pm). Even if Leroy Sweet thought that Paul Stine was 5 minutes overdue, then he would have been expecting Paul Stine to reach 500 9th Avenue by 9:53 pm, which is an unlikely journey time on Saturday night of 8 minutes from Union Square. This could indicate that Leroy Sweet knew that Paul Stine was proceeding west towards Washington and Cherry when he gave Paul Stine the 9:45 pm dispatch. But even this, hardly  explains the impatience of reallocating another taxicab to the aforementioned destination.
 
The simplest answer could be, that Leroy Sweet dispatched Paul Stine at 9:35 pm, not 9:45 pm, thereby justifying any perceived impatience on his part, however, this turns the journey time of Paul Stine from Union Square to the Washington and Cherry Street intersection, into a 20 minute journey, which is now too long. Unless something happened along the way? Something that takes the focus away from the crime scene. These are the details regarding the taxicab meter reading taken from a previous post.

The rates of fare for taxicabs and sedans shall be as follows: Fifty-five Cents (55c) for the first one-fifth mile or "flag": Ten Cents (10c) for each additional one-fifth mile or fraction thereof: Ten Cents (10c) for each one and one fourth minutes of waiting or traffic delay time.
'The police report stated that Paul Stine's taxicab meter read $6.25 at exactly 10:46 pm. So using the taxicab meter charges here, we can backtrack and calculate the approximate pick-up point from the last known movements of Paul Stine heading back from San Francisco International Airport. The time of the murder was specified as 9:55 pm, so by the time the meter was read at 10:46 pm, the meter had been running idle for 51 minutes. We know that it's 10c for each one and one fourth minutes (1.25) of waiting or traffic delay time. So we can discover the charge the idle taxicab ran up for these 51 minutes. (51 divided by 1.25) = 40.8. Multiplied by 10c = 4 dollars and 8 cents. The investigators deducted this from the $6.25 to give us $2.17. This calculation however, did not include any idle time en route from the proposed theater district to the intersection of Washington and Cherry. But we shall assume it negligible, as they have done. We know it is 55c for the first one-fifth mile. So the taxicab meter would be operating effectively from $2.17 minus 55c thereafter ($2.17 minus 55c) = $1.62. So to calculate the distance traveled we have to use the taxicab meter charges of 10c for each additional one-fifth mile or fraction thereof. 
 
$1.62 divided by 10c = 16.2 miles. But it is for one-fifth of a mile, so 16.2 divided by 5 = 3.24 miles traveling distance. But again, this is not factoring in any delays en route, in accordance with the History Channel calculations. The crucial part is the 55c for the first one-fifth mile
 or "flag." The taxicab should be reading 55c after one-fifth of mile (0.2 miles) is achieved. Therefore, this should be added on to the 3.24 miles, to give us 3.44 miles traveling distance. This would, without any delays en route (not factored in by the History Channel), take us a little further away from Washington and Cherry. But these calculations are a fragile balance. What if the idle time above was 61 minutes in total, instead of 51 minutes, and Leroy Sweet's 9:45 pm, was in fact 9:35 pm. This makes the journey time from Union Square to Washington and Cherry, 20 minutes. This could be 10 minutes with the taxicab in motion, and 10 minutes parked up anywhere en route.

Below are two parks, the accessibility at night in 1969 I have no idea. These two parks, Lafayette and Alta Plaza, would not take the taxicab off route, and could have been used (holding the taxicab driver under gunpoint) by either entering or parking alongside, to execute Paul Stine. The murderer could take 10 minutes, or anytime up to 10 minutes to shoot the taxicab driver and remove a piece of shirt, before taking control of the vehicle and driving it to Washington and Cherry, accidentally or mistakenly parking the taxicab one block further west to the destination he gave as Washington and Maple- the one recorded on the trip sheet. This could explain the lack of gunshot and the assumed confidence displayed by the killer in removing the shirt piece at the crime scene- because he had already acquired it. He may have began to leave the crime scene, but returned via the front passenger door to recover the keys he had touched, wiped the steering wheel, driver side compartment, before leaving and wiping down both exterior doors. The three teenagers pick up the story once he has entered the front passenger door. This may seem unlikely, but a simpler variation of this is certainly possible. One has to remember though, that any extra idle time can dramatically affect the potential origin or pick up point of the Zodiac Killer. The taxicab sitting idle for an extra, let's say, 3 minutes somewhere along the route, will have a marked effect.   


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If we add the 3 minutes extra idle time to 51 minutes, to give us 54 minutes, the traveling distance backwards from Washington and Cherry would drop from the 3.44 miles calculated above, to 2.96 miles. That is approximately half a mile. Then, if we throw any more waiting time, explained in the charges above, the distance traveled by the taxicab diminishes even further, making the calculations used to determine where the taxicab picked up Zodiac, an extremely inaccurate affair.
However, this 2.96 miles, is closer to the 3.00 miles from Mason and Geary to the crime scene, as calculated by Google maps, than the 3.44 miles calculated above. Without knowing the exact 'traffic delay time' experienced during Paul Stine's final journey, we cannot say with any confidence that the taxicab parked up along the route to Washington and Cherry. However, we can say that, if this was the method employed to discover the location of where Zodiac entered the taxicab, it could be massively off. If we assume that Paul Stine was heading back to the theater district after leaving San Francisco International Airport, and Leroy Sweet gave the heading of 500 9th Avenue at 9:45 pm, then we are back to where we started.    
Drew
2/8/2018 04:47:26 pm

There is certainly no lack of uncertainty in this case Richard. I think you have shown that there are several reasonable alternatives to the accepted route narrative. I never would have considered any of this so thanks for the effort here!

Considering the plan we assume Zodiac had of placing a getaway car near the crime scene and then travelling some distance before hailing a cab, I think choosing a bustling area of the city like Union Square makes a lot of sense for a killer who anticipated that they would check where he was picked up. However it would increase his risk of being seen so these alternatives are worth considering.

When you proposed that the pickup spot could have been more isolated and it may have been a shorter (distance) yet longer (time) cab ride and that something may have happened along the way, it occurred to me that Zodiac may have wanted to take more time enjoying his control. I thought of the long dialogue that Hartnell described and that it may not have strictly been about attaining compliance. Though it doesn't seem like anything was said at Blue Rock Springs Zodiac may have actually been a talkative guy. If he was the Johns abductor he definitely enjoyed the company of his victims. Between the phone calls and extensive writing and the whole campaign we have to believe he yearned for attention and Stine was a captive audience. It is a chilling thought that he may have put Stine through more than we know.

Well I'm rambling again, but there are some interesting ideas here. Thanks!

Richard
2/9/2018 12:38:13 am

You never ramble Drew, I appreciate the feedback. The Zodiac certainly liked the power of control and may have applied it in this case too. I appreciate the fact, that this alternative presentation may be stretching the bar a little, but putting aside a murder en route, the delays or 'idle time' along the journey can greatly influence the calculations of where Paul Stine picked up Zodiac. How many traffic lights or delays through intersections the taxicab experienced, or the exact route Stine took is not known, so working out the origin point is extremely difficult. It may be the case that Paul Stine told Leroy Sweet he was heading to Union Square and would peel off and take the 500 9th Avenue dispatch. But even as some have suggested (although I don't know the source of the info) that the occupant/s of 500 9th Avenue rang again through impatience of waiting and Leroy Sweet took it upon himself to reallocate another cab, this would be very strange and out of order. Paul Stine, at the time the occupants may have rang again (9.57, let's say), would have been 12 minutes into his journey, literally just a few minutes away from 500 9th Avenue, so to reallocate a second taxicab is self-defeating- Stine is extremely close, not withstanding that Paul Stine has potentially forfeited a trip into the theater district to travel across town, only to have the fare snatched from him. Additionally, this is a Saturday night, and 10 odd minutes is not an unreasonable wait time for a taxicab to be sent to your address. If somebody can point to the source of this story, I would like to know. Paul Holes and Michael Butterfield first presented the idea of Zodiac taking control of the taxicab and moving it one block from Maple to Cherry, but in essence the Zodiac could have commandeered the taxicab anywhere from point A to B. I suppose Drew, one has to ask, that if the Zodiac killed Paul Stine elsewhere, what was his purpose of moving the taxicab to the original destination or close to it. Did he really have a vehicle waiting for him around the edge of Presidio Park, or now having received more blood transfer to his clothes (by sitting in the driver seat), felt that he had to get closer to home- but not too close. The likelihood is, that the murder simply took place at Washington and Cherry, but it doesn't hurt to explore other options. The fear is trying not to sound like you are losing a grip on reality, while always keeping an open mind to alternatives. Cheers Drew.

John
2/9/2018 08:21:37 am

Drew and Richard, interesting discussion. I believe Zodiac killed Stine at the intersection of Washington and Cherry, basically he caught Stine by surprise. For this murder it would have been too risky to venture off script. It was Saturday night, in the theater district, and moderate to heavy traffic (car and pedestrian) is a real possibility. Maybe Washington and Cherry was far enough from the brouhaha to commit the murder?

Anyhow, never hurts to explore other possiblities

Drew
2/9/2018 01:15:16 pm

I have a few questions that may stimulate discussion but police protocol is something I really don't have a firm grasp on. How quickly would Yellow Cab have been notified of the crime? Would protocol allow the first patrolmen to enter the cab to learn that the wallet and keys were missing? If so the call to the cab company may have been placed immediately to identify the victim and arrange for the taxi to be moved. However the timeline for such a call couldn't be tighter and of course there were no cellphones and the first responders may have had to wait for detectives to arrive. It doesn't sound like Pellisetti did this, as he has described ushering the kids across the street and then proceeding down Cherry. In the Fincher film all of the arrangements to have the cab moved had already been made when the detectives arrived but I don't know that in reality that they would have done this. If Peda had determined that the wallet was gone by 9:58 perhaps Sweet was notified swiftly and made the reassignment immediately but I suppose that is pretty doubtful if these reported times are accurate. Who and by what method do we assume that Yellow Cab was eventually contacted?

Richard
2/9/2018 02:29:10 pm

I once considered that possibly the Yellow Cab Company was contacted immediately, but upon reflection this is not possible at 9.58 pm, so Leroy Sweet can reallocate the fare. Armond Pelissetti and Donald Fouke didn't get the first broadcast of an assault and robbery until 9.58 pm, traveled to the crime scene, then as you stated ushered the kids back to their residence, checked on Stine, retook the description, called for an ambulance, updated the description to other units and then exited the scene up Cherry.
The police report likely tells us that the Yellow Cab Company was informed just after 10.10 pm, if the report is chronological (see below). From what is said Pelissetti likely opened the taxicab door to check on the victim.
"R/Os immediately checked the interior of the cab and found the victim to be slumped over the front seat with his upper torso in the passenger side, head resting on the floorboard, facing north. Ambulance was summoned, Code three, and other units were requested for an immediate search of the area. Description was obtained from reportees, whose observation point was directly across the street (50 ft.) and unobstructed. Description was broadcast and numerous units responded to institute a search of the area. P.E.H. ambulance #82 responded, steward Dousette, victim was examined and pronounced dead at 10:10 pm. Inspector Krake responded and summoned dog units and a fire department 'spotlight' vehicle to assist in the search. R/Os called for the Crime Lab, Coroner, Yellow cab officials, and a tow. Assistant traffic manager of Yellow Cab, LeRoy Sweet responded and gave reporting officers the victim's identification. Mr. Sweet further stated the last dispatch given the victim was at 9:45 pm to 500 9th Ave. apt. #1. Victim allegedly never arrived at the above location as the dispatch was reassigned to another cab at 9:58 pm."
Paul Stine's head was resting on the floorboard. The photographs of the crime scene were taken after Paul Stine was pulled into that position by medical crew. This can be determined because in chronological photographs, there is virtually no blood on the tarmac in photograph 1, but in photograph 2 blood is coating the road. If Paul Stine had been discovered lying part out of the taxicab by Pelissetti, then much blood would be on the roadside, because the ambulance crew pronounced the victim dead at 10.10 pm and had the victim been in this position from around 9.58 to 10.10 pm, one would expect plenty of blood on the roadside. From photograph 1 to 2, you can see the difference, indicating the medical crew had pulled Paul Stine to this position just before the photographs were taken.

Richard
2/9/2018 02:32:03 pm

Photograph 1 http://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/8855785_orig.gif

Photograph 2
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Richard
2/9/2018 02:58:10 pm

In addition, after the victim is extricated from the cab, the A-Z map is now visible on the road, indicating it was probably under Paul Stine's body on the passenger seat. This is why it is unlikely Zodiac rode in the front seat, because Stine would have moved the A-Z if somebody had sat there.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/ynr_orig.jpg

Drew
2/9/2018 03:27:03 pm

Thanks for the info on the procedure and that's a great point about the A-Z book, which I have never heard before. I had come to same conclusion about the chronology of photos but I had never formed that very elegant solution involving the book to dispel the sitting up front theory - nicely done. Man, in light of this discussion that taxi reassignment appears very puzzling indeed! So many truly odd mysteries and coincidences surround this crime, though I guess all the Zodiac crimes are pretty darn confounding. Thanks for the thoughts!

Shawn
2/10/2018 04:48:50 pm

Zodiac never mentions Washington and Cherry. But he does mention Washington and Maple in the Stine letter which is inline with Paul's Trip Book.

Was Washington and Maple a better place to shoot someone? More isolated?

Or was it just a good place for a car to have a backfire and then proceed to Washington and Cherry hoping nobody heard the shots from Washington and Maple.

Richard
2/11/2018 02:13:59 am

I don't know the exact layout in 1969, or tree coverage, but going on images today, Washington and Maple does appear a less exposed area than Washington and Cherry, with less visibility from the nearby buildings. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.7888844,-122.4556533,3a,75y,17.99h,93.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLU6ujgUeofET6HPVeTwEkQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Washington and Cherry, now anyway, affords little protection.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.7886918,-122.4571922,3a,60y,337.87h,93.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA9uVT86G_v3kSW280_7-JA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

An execution at Washington and Maple, before shifting the vehicle one block is certainly feasible Shawn. Like you said, he even claimed to have murdered Paul Stine over "by Washington and Maple", and it was registered in the trip sheet. He may have chosen to send the taxicab one block further because of people milling around Washington and Maple, but committing the murder here, before taking the taxicab away from the source of the shot is totally plausible, and as you said, anybody responding to the gunfire and seeing nothing, may simply have attributed it to a backfire. I don't know if we can read anything into the statement "I am the murderer of the taxi driver over by Washington St + Maple St last night", rather than "I am the murderer of the taxi driver at Washington St + Maple St last night", because Washington and Cherry is "by" Washington and Maple. But I don't believe that by stating Washington and Maple was indicative of his lack of knowledge of the area claimed by some observers. This was his only confirmed crime, where he actually took the victim to a place of execution, rather than execute the victim where he found them. This may indicate he had originally earmarked Washington and Maple, that in today's images at least, looks a 'safer' bet than Washington and Cherry.

Richard
2/11/2018 02:30:06 am

Furthermore, I always pointed out the blood pattern on Stine's shirt, seriously questioning the idea that after the victim was shot, he immediately slumped to the right, with his torso lying across the seat with head on the floorboard, as found by Pelissetti. Imagine the victim's head bleeding in this position- how does the blood flow upwards to produce the pattern evident on his shirt.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/361125.gif?250

Surely, Paul Stine must have been upright for a measurable amount of time-possibly one block. But this would suggest the perpetrator pinned Paul Stine against the driver side door while coasting the vehicle one block, as opposed to shoving him flat on the passenger seat, with head in the footwell. I am not a blood pattern expert, but something is not quite right with the depiction given in the movie of a Paul Stine immediately falling to his right.
https://youtu.be/RNyE1N1cnus?t=1m6s

Billy Ockert
9/22/2019 10:46:07 pm

Why does no one see Washington & Cherry means something?

Think about it. Do I need to throw in a hatchet?

DO NOT POST.

Call me if you really care.

Billy Ockert
9/22/2019 11:03:27 pm

Apparently you don't list to DO NOT POST.

OK, here's how I see it.

Zodiac got into taxi, Stine said jokingly..." hey, you look like that Zodiac guy"

Change of plans.
Original Plan: Go to to Washington and Maple...Walk one block and get the couple coming out of a restaurant, like via Hatchet.

Well, Zodiac got pissed and took Stine instead.

Call me if you want the truth. DO NOT POST.


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