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I WILL HAVE MY BLAST

8/2/2020

 
On February 16th 1970, a militant group placed a bomb packed with fence staples on the window ledge of the San Francisco Police Department Park Station, killing Sergeant Brian McDonnell and severely injuring and wounding nine other police officers. The Zodiac Killer had nothing to do with the brazen attack, but spurred on from his previous threats upon random police targets, managed to reference the Park Station bombing, in accompaniment to the diagram of a school bus on the Southern Freeway. The Zodiac Killer stated in the April 20th 1970 letter, that  "Even though I talked about killing school children with one. it just wouldn't doo to move in on someone else's teritory.  But there is more glory in killing a cop than a cid because a cop can shoot back". This killer had targeted six kids like sitting ducks and blindsided his seventh victim, because he was a coward. The idea that this man would target somebody who could shoot back was extremely unlikely, with the threat to escalate his attacks, more a case of creating fear and panic in the community, rather than his willingness to do so.

It was likely the newspaper coverage of the Park Station bombing that inspired his following two communications. The Dragon card mailed 8 days later, carried the introduction of 
"If you dont want me to have this blast you must do two things. Tell everyone about the bus bomb with all the details. I would like to see some nice Zodiac buttons wandering about town. Everyone else has these buttons like, black power, melvin eats bluber, etc". The bombing at Park Station was believed early on to be the work of the Weather Underground or the Black Liberation Army, hence the Zodiac Killer's need to get some recognition by the requesting the wearing of Zodiac buttons and referencing Black Power. It may also be significant that he placed "I hope you enjoy yourselves when I have my Blast" right alongside a picture of Don Quixote and Sancho Panza, suggestive of a location. A statue of Miguel de Cervantes, Don Quixote and Sancho Panza can be found in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco, approximately one mile from Park Station (1899 Waller Street), which also sits in Golden Gate Park, in the southeast corner. This threat of a blast, in accompaniment to the imagery, indicative of a compassionless killer piggybacking upon the Park Station bombing, by suggesting a threat in the near vicinity. An ominous foreboding that was already embedded in the April 20th 1970 letter in the form of the school bus bomb diagram. Just two months later, on June 26th 1970, the Zodiac Killer would expand on his bus bomb diagram by supplying us with extra details. 
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The Zodiac Killer had given us the drawing of his intended bomb location, complete with photoelectric cells, car battery and timer. But now was the time to "clue us in" on where it was buried (or where it was threatened to be buried). The location he had designated was just three miles south of the Park Station, right alongside Ingleside Police Station on the Southern Freeway. The Zodiac Killer's threat never materialized, but somebody else did move in on his promised territory, when on August 29th 1971, Sergeant John Young was shot and killed inside the Ingleside Police Station. Two men brazenly entered the reception area and thrust a 12-guage shotgun through an opening in the bullet proof glass, striking and killing Sergeant John Young and injuring a civilian employee.

A bomb placed on the embankment of the Southern Freeway (274 feet from Ingleside Police Station) is notable for another reason. The Zodiac Killer didn't state he would "annihilate a school bus" on June 26th 1970, he promised to "annihilate a full school bus", suggesting that the school bus would have to be near the terminus of its route. The Thomas More Catholic School had a bus route along the Southern Freeway, just yards from Ingleside Police Station, passing a location mimicking the bus bomb diagram (shown below in red), with the school itself situated in the southwest corner of San Francisco. Children traveling from all over San Francisco would have been seated on this bus as it drove south in the morning light. The sun would have been to the east, with the school bus exiting the freeway extremely close to the school. It most certainly would have been full as it passed the proposed bomb location.

The Zodiac Killer threatened to kill police and place bombs, but he will be ultimately remembered for targeting the young and defenceless - and just like most serial killers - be recognized for the coward he was.  
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Shawn
8/1/2020 07:36:00 pm

"A statue of Miguel de Cervantes, Don Quixote and Sancho Panza can be found in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco"

A notice the Cervantes monument is found on the northern edge of Golden State Park and just below the inner Richmond district between 8th and 10th streets that lead into the park.

The Stine letter has 1B postmark indicating Inner Richmond. The first three letters were postmark 1A indicating Central Richmond district.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cervantes+Monument/@37.7788938,-122.4782769,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x808587541bebd1bb:0x3e4c9e3a5411e6a1!8m2!3d37.7722312!4d-122.4666951

Shawn
8/2/2020 12:38:57 pm

To expand upon Don Quixote. The story reads of a man nearing 50 of low ranking nobility not married and who becomes addicted to books of chivalry. Maybe he had a psychotic break?....he puts on a suit of armor and renames his himself "Don Quixote". With his mind going wild within the psychotic break he expects to become famous quickly for his adventures.

Zodiac renamed himself from (whoever he really is) and becomes
famous rather quickly while becoming the anti-chilvary (here to save the day) "Don Quixote". Zodiac even dons a hood at Lake Berryessa, a killer, the anti "Don Quixote". Zodiac came to end lives on earth and to add icing on the cake become his slave in the afterlife.

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 11:26:40 am

Two hand printed letters , with riddles posed , to Billy Graham in North Carolina , postmarked August 19th 1976 . One , Inglewood CA ; the other Long Beach CA .

Includes :

'' Dear Mr.Billy Graham , refusal to answer or act on these letters will prove you are refuseing ( sic ) to lift a finger for God and against the Dragon .''

Refer : Billy Graham FBI File 2 , Pages 1 - 8 .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 11:33:45 am

In the Bible , the Dragon has always been Lucifer , The Devil , Satan .

Traditionally , '' Riding the Dragon '' has referred to '' Son of Satan '' attempting to rest control from his father , Lucifer .

Richard
8/4/2020 11:38:55 am

Cannot find the Billy Graham files in the FBI vault Rubislaw. Have you got access to a different page than me. No Billy Graham under B.

https://vault.fbi.gov/reading-room-index

Richard
8/4/2020 01:00:56 pm

Duh, it's under William obviously. Got it now Rubislaw

Richard
8/4/2020 01:03:28 pm

I wonder what was redacted at the bottom. One would assume it was a name.

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 02:22:47 pm

In the case of the '' Dragon '' reference , Richard , plus Hell's Angels reference prior , I think that the educated guess would be St.Michael.

With '' St.Michael '' making a reappearance , many years later , in the signing of the IRS letter ( File 2 Pages 244 plus ) .

Richard
8/4/2020 02:28:25 pm

Can't really disagree with the letter writer Rubislaw. These people are poison, getting rich off the backs of believers.

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 12:24:22 pm

The Billy Graham Files were published on December 17th 2018 , Richard . Just three days following the publishing of the 2001 New Years Card , in the SF Chronicle .

There is one of the categories of access , by '' Recently Published '' .

But , it is beginning to look as if you have been '' shut-out '' ( ? ) .

It may be through '' over-use '' , in that you have pasted too many file pages , here at your site ( ? ) .

If I had basic operating skills , I could assist you with specific pages . Surely one of your regular readers or contributors could assist you to see certain file pages .

I certainly would recommend you see some Billy Graham and D B Cooper pages , and have left file page references here at your site , and two specific threads at zodiackillermystery.freeforums.net

Do please keep us up to date on your inabilities or otherwise ,to gain access .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 12:31:38 pm

....File 2 Page 19 of the Billy Graham Graham Files , is sooo Zodiac ,that it is close to unbelievable ( ! ) .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 12:44:18 pm

Page 244 of File 2 , with the Billy Graham FBI Files , is the '' death knell '' for all the usual lame duck internet suspects .

A letter to the IRS , Knoxville TN , May 27th 2009 .

A letter which , is so clearly directed at Robert Graysmith , as well as Billy Graham .

No wonder '' no one '' in the Zodiac community is talking about it ( ? ) .
'' Laugh Out Loud ''

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 01:24:30 pm

I'm glad you've found it Richard .

Yes , '' William ( Billy ) Graham ''.

I think you'll have a '' Blast '' reading them - and not overly long , like the huge D B Cooper files .

Most of the best stuff , is in File 2 , for Billy Graham .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 03:02:50 pm

I certainly understand what you are inferring about the evangelical '' hierarchy '' , Richard .

It has always seemed that the '' currency '' is the supply and demand for spiritualism .

People are led to believe that it is something one might find , by looking for it . And , some of these so-called '' preachers '' are there to provide that demand , at a price .

One can't '' find '' spiritualism .It will find you , if you behave well to those with whom you share the world .

So , one can understand how those who feel that they have been dealt a a tough and unfair hand , in life , and , more than probably the Zodiac among them....would become enraged by these '' show on the road '' preachers , like Billy Graham .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 03:14:17 pm

And of course , Graham called them '' Crusades '' . Talk about pinning your colours to the Protestant mast , exclusively ( ? ) .

One could argue that that sort of conduct is the worst advertisement for Protestantism which , has traditionally been seen to be a liberation of Christian values .

Speaking from an irreligious perspective , naturally .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 03:30:07 pm

Got me thinking about the May 1978 Zodiac unconfirmed letter again .

Anaheim has traditionally been seen as hosting these Evangelical Crusades , as well as a permanent home for Disneyland .

And confirms my suspicions that '' top-left '' on the May 1978 Envelope is meant to be '' LAIC '' - another word for a preacher . As set out , just like '' PEACE '' on Charlie Manson's Spahn Ranch door .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/4/2020 09:26:54 pm

And with the phenomenon of Billy Graham himself , we might venture to complete historical circles , with William Randolph Hearst effectively giving Graham his publicity break in 1949 , regularly featuring this young preacher , on his visits to California , in particular .

Graham would arrive at somewhere such as San Diego , '' set up stall '' , and proceed to pack out the crowds for a whole week , before having to move on , on a promise . Maybe only as far as Los Angeles , where he would pack them out for another week .

Hearst was obviously impressed with this seeming '' Modern-day Messiah ''.

Billy Graham , as a person of hate focus for the Zodiac , post Bay area reign of terror ? So it might seem .

A substitute for someone or something that was closer at hand , when the Zodiac physically existed in the vicinity of San Francisco ?

Maybe.

Richard
8/5/2020 09:09:44 am

Rubislaw, do you think Zodiac was a believer in God, or do you think all the afterlife, paradise and slaves mumbo jumbo, was just a ruse to convince us he was religiously oriented?

Rubislaw 32 link
8/5/2020 12:01:57 pm

Yes Richard , I do think that '' afterlife , paradise and Slaves '' was all a ruse . In addition , that there was nothing in astrology , but was a keen astronomy buff .

But , I believe also , that the Zodiac took an interest to an extent , in what he saw as the fictional elements to culture . And , more pertinent , perhaps , saw merits in the reading of the Bible - although largely seen as a work of fiction , also .

I believe that the Zodiac , being brought up in a post WW2 and '' new middle-classes '' world , had some attachments to religion , mostly through his parents who , '' maintained the faith '' . But , the Zodiac . in all probability , would have been allowed a looser reign , with respect to church affiliations .

Probably a regular Sunday School attender , as a child ( ? ) . But , as a teenager , and into Adulthood , became a little more cynical to certain aspects of the traditions of his family's religious following .

No more '' Blind Faith '' for the Zodiac ( ? ) , once he had acquired his independence .

BB
8/5/2020 05:34:35 pm

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44005807/zodiac-killer-1963-vernon-c-smith/

Dragon Card

Don Quixote and Sancho Panza

Every duo one is the head the other the sidekick.

Rubislaw 32 link
8/5/2020 06:21:38 pm

Certainly an inference of a '' pairing up '' , by what the card appears to depict , BB .

Whether these two were friends , enemies , or simply '' strange bedfellows '' , is a matter for debate ( ? ) .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/5/2020 09:02:32 pm

I've looked at a '' Miners 49ers '' angle , BB . The SF 49ers Football team took up new residency , at Candlestick Park , in 1970 .

Also , that a donkey is the symbol for the Democrats . But , there is no getting away from the fact that a dragon is not an elephant ( Republican Party ) .

So , indeed...Don Quixote and Sancho Panza seem favoured .

Is there more to this , perhaps ( ? ) .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/6/2020 12:29:23 am

The tale of two men named Francis ?

In 1776 Spanish colonialists claimed the headland in California , as a fortress , which they named , after San Francisco de Asis - Saint Francis of Assisi .

In 1579 Sir Francis Drake discovered San Francisco , and claimed much of the territory on the West Coast of the USA , for Elizabeth I of England , which he called Nova Albion ( New England ) .

'' Drake '' derives from the Norse '' Dreki'' , meaning '' Dragon ''

So , a coincidental joke to be had with the card , perhaps ( ? )

i) Francisco de Asis - '' Ass is a Donkey ''

ii) Francis Drake - '' Drake is a Dragon ''

Rubislaw 32 link
8/6/2020 03:33:54 am

Just how active was the Zodiac's mind , on wordplay ?

A few years ago , I remember reading (...maybe still available ? .) , an extended report by a CA DOJ Special Agent , on this subject , as well as perceptions on the Zodiac's number play .

The Special Agent was enthused , and had never come across anything like it , before . Whether the agent arrived at any firm conclusions , is open to debate .

In examining the Zodiac's Dragon Card , the already printed and intended punchline of a joke , is the pun :

'' Your ass is a Dragon ''

This does seem to draw favourable ( ? ) comparisons with a cut & paste received by The Oregonian newspaper and FBI , which contained :

'' alais D B Cooper ''

Particularly when we know that '' alais '' is a deliberate misspelling of '' alias '' , on account of the second typed letter , that arrived at the same time as the cut & paste .

'' Your ass is a Dragon - ALA is D B Cooper ''

Refer : D B Cooper FBI File 16 , Pages 402 - 408 .

BB
8/6/2020 04:38:05 pm

Michaelmas in lieu of Christmas

Paul Stine & Rusty Bunch
October 11
Octo-ber is Julian calendar 8th month

Don Quixote and Sancho Panza

Don Cheney and Santo Panzarella

What do you feel in your bones?

Pain?

With a nick name of Sandy

PS [Pain-zo-rella Sandiac]
Paradice Slaves
Santo Paul "Sandy" Panzarella

BB
8/8/2020 11:18:07 am

Sandy Panzarella was played by the actor Paul Schulze (PS) in 2007 Zodiac

Rubislaw 32 link
8/6/2020 05:08:00 pm

Good points taken , BB , on what seems to becoming apparent that the Zodiac was playing the '' blame game '' on a more heightened scale , than most of us previously thought ( ? ) .

Perhaps of interest might be to try and find out when certain well-known and genuine suspects and POI's , actually came to the attention of LE....or , more pertinent , at what point might the Zodiac have heard about specific suspects .

Then , see if they can be tied into his correspondences .

There is little doubt that '' Scorpion '' had a '' thing '' about Ted K , for instance . But , by then , the whole world had got to hear about the Unabomber .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/7/2020 05:50:59 am

Well...I thought that I had seen it all , from the Zodiac community's prime attention seeker .

In true tradition of poor taste , there is a photograph displayed in the new thread '' A new type of Zodiac mask ! '' at zodiackiller.com

If one saving grace , it is an improvement of sorts , but beyond this , '' words fail '' .

BB
8/7/2020 10:33:56 am

Look who else died mysteriously on April 10, 1962 - Stuart Sutcliffe

He named the Beatles the Beetles after the popular band the Crickets.

After his death John Lennon renamed the band the Beatles for beat.

Along with all the other "so called" coincidences these are linked to

"Show Biz" - Theater, TV, Cartoonists, Music, Writers, and the Movies.

Rubislaw 32 link
8/7/2020 09:15:50 pm

Yes , Buddy Holly a hero for The Beatles .

The Beatles '' Get Back '' is really a steal of Holly's '' Brown eyed handsome man '' .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/7/2020 04:31:49 pm

Interesting , on the Oceanside ( ? ) coincidence , BB .

I suspect now , that Oceanside could have been a '' scrapbook collection '' crime for the Zodiac , which may have had influences on what became his attack , at Presidio Heights .

On the subject of coincidences , I recommend that readers should take the time to read about the Indiana Burger Chef murders of November 17th 1978 . And this includes subsequent bomb attacks , locally , at Speedway (...outskirts of Indianapolis..) , and the prior murder of Julia Scyphers .

Despite it all being wrapped up , in The Balloon Captain's sick Zodiac hoax , to mark the 50th anniversary of Lake Berryessa . The FBI , of course , know all about the hoax .

With respect to the Burger Chef 's 4 victims , it has been touted that this atrocity might have received more wider exposure , if it hadn't been for what emerged the very next day , November 18th 1978 , and the Jonestown massacre of 900 victims of forced suicide , by Rev.Jim Jones .

One can't help feeling , perhaps , that at these historical moments , that covert police forces , such as the FBI , become at full stretch ( ? ) , with other crimes having to find their place , in the pecking order , on resources allocated .

The Burger Chef murders , Speedway bombings and murder of Julia Scyphers....have never been judicially resolved , despite numerous reports , over the years , of '' known perpetrators '' .

Perhaps some comparisons , to be made with the long-standing unsolved case of the Zodiac Killer ( ? ) . At times that the case might have been solved , like the emergence of the SLA and kidnapping of Patty Hearst....and indeed , the wake of Dan Cooper's escapade....that the FBI's focus moved away from a case that may well have been related ....that of the Zodiac Killer .

Are the FBI guilty of taking their eyes off the ball ?

And , all too often .

BB
8/8/2020 10:31:28 am

April 9, 1962 The United States Marine Corps' involvement in the Vietnam War began

Rubislaw 32 link
8/8/2020 11:45:33 am

What a '' spanking '' coincidence , though sobering also .

BB
8/8/2020 12:13:31 pm

Rubislaw 32 - There is just too many things to just be coincidence.

Rubislaw 32 link
8/7/2020 05:37:23 pm

A few titbit prospective Zodiac links of interest :

i) In the mid-sixties the Rev Jim Jones was looking to set up a commune for his albeit then modest sized congregation . It is reported that he read an article that named the top-nine places in the USA , that would be safest to seek refuge , in the event of a nuclear holocaust . The closest place to Jones , at the time , was Eureka CA . So , with this in mind , he went searching for somewhere near Eureka . As it happens , he settled for setting up his first commune in Redwood Valley , about 100 miles short of Euerka , but nonetheless , one wonders if Eureka had sparked an interest in the Zodiac ( ? ) , at that point .

The two Scorpion ciphers , S1 and S5 , are two of five ciphers attributed to a '' mysterious '' serial killer that claimed to have moved to New Jersey (...yes , but where from ?...) . There are no reported victims of this claimed serial killer , Scorpion , and have already put it to the Cryptanalysis Unit that , they know perfectly well that Scorpion is the Zodiac , on account of solving S1 and S5 ciphers , with their solutions making it plainly obvious that the Zodiac is responsible .

Why did the Zodiac decide to take the name of '' Scorpion '' , for a limited period ?

Part of the reason , is the following :

i) April 3rd 1996 , the arrest of the serial killer , who came to be known as '' Unabomber '' . He is found to have been ex-mathematics professor , Ted Kaczynski .

Just two months later....

ii) June 18th 1996 , the arrest of the serial killer , who came to be known as '' The New York Zodiac '' . He is found to have been Heriberto '' Eddie '' Seda .

In examining S! ans S5 ciphers , it is noticeable that the cipher text '' probably '' refers to Ted Kaczynski . Now , why might Scorpion be inspired by '' Unabomber '' ?

'' Unabomber '' is short for '' University and Airline Bomber '' , as referring to Kaczynski's prime targets .

So...he was a bomber , who targeted Universities and Airlines .

Looks like a man , after the Zodiac Killer's heart ( ? ) .

The Zodiac....a phantom bomber , who gatecrashed university libraries , and undoubtedly clocked up air miles , as well as a '' marathon '' motorist , on the roads .

And hey , while we are about it...some consideration for Dan Cooper ( ? ) .

D B Cooper , a man who was familiar with air travel , and claimed to be a bomber...just like the Zodiac Killer .

The Zodiac Killer , D B Cooper , the hoaxer , and Scorpion , the '' phantom '' serial killer from New Jersey , who constructed ciphers .

All the same person .

BB
8/8/2020 09:21:03 am

The Civil war ended on April 9, 1865, when Confederate General Robert E. Lee surrendered to Union General Ulysses S. Grant

Rubislaw 32 link
8/8/2020 12:11:55 pm

Well , that's where I (personally ) think you are homing in on some ( core ) truth , BB .

General Robert E.Lee - '' The King of Spades '' - hero to Winston Churchill - and The Zodiac , alike .

The name that the Zodiac subliminally gave George Bawart , over the phone , in a '' save wounded pride '' act , after the Zodiac's humiliation , over the publication of the Harden's solution to the Zodiacs 408 cipher .

The '' phantom '' solution to the remaining 18 characters :

'' My name is Robert E EEE..could be '' Foresese '' surname...'' , and left his '' real '' name as Robert H Coon , of 345 Hyde Street , SF .

In addition , a name I believe that the Zodiac left , at JFK Vallejo and Civic Fairfield libraries...Ulysses S Grant . Part of the personal '' war '' going on , between the Zodiac and Bill Grant .

Southerner Zodiac vs, Easterner Grant .

Just like Robert E Lee vs. Ulysses S Grant .

BB
8/8/2020 05:46:08 pm


During Civil War days when the Unionist "Volcano Blues" confronted the Confederate "Knights of the Golden Circle" in the town of Volcano Ca. with the help of the cannon, "Old Abe" the "Blues" effected a decisive victory over the "Knights." with intimidation by showing the cannon off in the middle of town. The Blue Bellies aka Union soldiers scared to death any southern sympathizers in Volcano. The town first came to be in 1848 when they found gold in Sutter's Creek. Volcano was the Mother Lode. The Gold went to serve the Union.

Rubislaw 32 link
8/8/2020 07:38:34 pm

Fascinating tale . Does your '' BB '' nickname hold any historical connotations ?

During the war of independence , if word that the British were coming , but no ammo left , then they would place some gunpowder between an anvil and an upended anvil , and ignite it .

It sounded just like a cannon going off , and the British would often be fooled into halting any ideas of an advance .

My suspicions are that the Zodiac holds '' historical links '' with San Antonio .

Remember the Alamo ?

BB
8/9/2020 06:21:06 pm

Yes - Rubislaw

Blue Belly is a moniker I ware proudly

The Southern Soldiers wore Grey Coats and the victors wore the Blue Coats

They were given the cuss word "Blue Belly" by the Southern rage filled.

There are many that still can't get-over the fact - we won the Damn war.

Now give us our victory and burn that flag!

Stop waving it in our face - saying the South will rise again.

Is it not enough that they killed Lincoln? And the Kennedy's 100 years later?

They saw our attempts at desegregation to be forcing them to race mix.
The racism of the Zodiac comes through loud and clear in the letters.
That is why we speculate often on the underground group of Troy Haughton.
The 2001 Happy New year card said some racist stuff too.


Rubislaw 32 link
8/9/2020 11:01:59 pm

Oh I see BB....'' Blue Belly '' was the phrase attributed '' by '' the Confederates .

One feels that , with Texas in particular , it was at one time , an independent Republic of its own . So , Texas went through '' two transitions '' in its history , and believes it has had to weather more storms , in its history , than anyone else...in order to conform to the modern order .

The Lone Star State .

The USA is just such a huge country , in unified territory . Never going to be easy to sing from the same hymn sheet ( ? ) .

Some , like me , get taken in by its seeming patriotism , under one roof .

Wooden Ships ( C S N ) :

'' If you smile at me I will understand . 'Cause that is something everybody , everywhere does , in the same language .''

BB
8/8/2020 12:32:11 pm

Yes - We have to stay with this Southern clue

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_saints

Robert Emmett and the unsolved 18 too

It really might actually be Robert E Lee.

The 100 years since the Civil War and

The cries of the South will rise again

Lee Harvey Oswald's father Robert E. Lee Oswald,

named his sons Robert, Edward, and Lee.

https://www.luckybeantours.com/the-tomb-of-robert-e-lee-oswald-father-of-lee-harvey-oswald/

BB
8/8/2020 12:50:43 pm

Here Edward it seems went by Pic what may to be a nick name - It is confused.

Never the less John Pic was a spiting image of Lee and is thought by many to be one of the Lee doubles

Rubislaw 32 link
8/8/2020 01:13:27 pm

There are many '' Robert E Lee '' coincidences in the Zodiac's correspondences and aspects to the case , as perceived .

'' A Citizen '' refers to a great Victorian scandal , involving Captain Robert E Lee , and the flogging of a female slave . '' Boo '' was the family name for one of Lee's sons - Robert E Lee junior . Just two examples .

I had no idea that Oswald's father was '' Robert E Lee Oswald '' ,BB .
At the time of JFK's assassination , Texas , California and New York , were contributing 88 % of all tax money to the USA economy .

Just 3 States ( ! ) .

Texas thought that JFK was just milking them dry on Oil revenue taxes .

Robert E Lee was originally from Virginia , but because of his military training ( West Point ) and stance , through conscience , became an adopted son and hero '' in perpetuity '' of the State of...

Texas .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/8/2020 01:44:22 pm

Bill Grant , of course , was an emigre from the East , as a resident of Fairfield , CA . A Catholic from Manchester , MA .

It was easy for the Zodiac to make Grant , just another arrogant '' Kennedy '' , in his mind . Those that actually celebrated being different , and above others , around them .

Grant is '' all over '' the Zodiac's correspondences , subliminally , and even , I would venture , constitutes the entirety of subject matter , within both the '' Peek though the Pines '' , and the '' 13 Hole '' postcards .

BB
8/8/2020 01:59:41 pm

I've read a dozen books on the JFK and watched hundreds of docs

The book I first read was "The Texas Connection"

It lays out all the bits on LBJ,s involvement - By the end you'll say "it was him."

Johnson signed the fortified Civil Rights Act of 1964 into law on July 2. Legend has it that the evening after signing the bill, Johnson told an aide, "I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come" This was because the southern Democrats would jump ship and many became republican, figuring the party deserted them. Today the parties are flip flopped. With the Democrats for the people and the Republicans for the corporations. It is the powerful versus the powerless. Yet the only position of power held by the Democrats " the speaker of the house" gets all the blame for anything the all powerful Republicans deem needed.

BB
8/8/2020 05:27:20 pm

Nancy only has the power of the purse

But she really has no power because Trump will just veto anyway

Rubislaw 32 link
8/8/2020 06:45:08 pm

Extraordinary ( ...but admirable...) why she bothers , at her age ( ? ) .

Trump just seeks to humiliate her , at every opportunity .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/8/2020 03:01:02 pm

So '' Topsy Turvey '' on the power-base , BB , and probably never a solution to keep everyone happy .

One can go through years of '' middle ground '' politics by compromise , and still few are happy . The '' Right '' are seen as the better '' Housekeepers '' , but it ought to be to afford '' Conscience Politics '' from the '' Left '' .

LBJ's role in high office is quite a fascinating tale ( ? ) . He appears to have been a good Vice-President , as Nixon was to Eisenhower ( ? ) . But , once the throne is taken , a different story can emerge .

JFK seemed to surround himself with so many advisers but ultimately only listened to himself ( ? ) .

Probably what cost him his life , more than any other reason .

I think that the Zodiac was very keyed into politics and current affairs , and from an early age . Once adult newspapers looked like more fun , than comics.....then, there was no turning back .

BB
8/8/2020 04:51:14 pm

JFK like all two term Presidents was supposed to get elected to the second term first before backstabbing the guys that got him elected in the first place. But he went after the big shots right out the gate. Texas Southern Democrats killed him. Hoover's glee came thru in his informing brother Bobby of JFK's death.JFK did the brave things too soon. Should have held back a year. Bush "W" waited until the last of his eight years 2008 before he robbed treasury. To cause the financial crisis of 2008 leaving Obama to have to fix it. The Zodiac was definitely of that southern sentiment. Every man is an island unto himself. Survival of the fittest. Kill or be killed.

Rubislaw 32 link
8/8/2020 06:16:42 pm

Certainly take your points , with interest BB .

Particularly your mention of '' that southern sentiment '' . I have Texan relatives , but it is no substitute for hearing a perception from an American national , that takes an interest (...as yourself...) .

Kennedy was told not to go to Texas , but he had '' Jackie '' - and everyone just loved '' Jackie '' .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/8/2020 07:02:44 pm

Just seen a photo , on Google images , of a 20 year old Nancy Pelosi , beside JFK , at his President's ball .

She was pretty .

Richard
8/8/2020 11:57:05 pm

We have enough of a monster dealing with Zodiac, without bringing another two in Pelosi and Trump into the fray. Can we only discuss politics if directly relevant to the Zodiac. There is enough corruption in the world without discussing American politics. Thanks.

BB
8/9/2020 02:00:00 pm

Here is an idea for a Poll Question

What is the Zodiac Killer's Motivation
1-To Create a Super Villain character for the Newspapers
2-To Get his rock's off
3-To Restart the Civil War
4-To Smear the hippy
5-To Terrorize the public getting them to vote fascistic
6-To Do all these for Nixon Regime.

Rubislaw 32 link
8/9/2020 03:50:11 pm

I would plump for No.3 , '' To Restart the Civil War '' , but in a figurative sense of desired scale of necessity to show just how angry he was .

It's as if his actual acts of terrorism provided some light relief from the turmoil inside .

Displacement activity , as such .

BB
8/9/2020 05:13:10 pm

LOL Rubislaw I thought you'd get a kick out of that - but it actually could be the case

Rubislaw 32 link
8/9/2020 07:53:09 pm

Thanks , and will take my predictability as a compliment ( lol ) .

On December 7th , a presumed letter from the Zodiac , and come to be known as the first Fairfield letter , contained a cryptogram now known as Z38 . It appears from the cipher text to be '' sampled '' from Z340 .

A solution that I have given the Cryptanalysis Unit , represents a diatribe of abuse , directed at '' someone '' ,and includes the term '' Stage Yankee '' . A Stage Yankee was a term of derision employed by Southerners to describe those from the North-East , who procured an affectation for being '' high and mighty '' and more intelligent and worldly than anyone else .

This , naturally . would place the Zodiac as being a Southern Man .

And , one can only guess ( ? ) to whom the insults are directed .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/9/2020 12:42:20 am

Sorry Richard , and acknowledged . I was in touch with Senator Pelosi's office , with matters Zodiac-related , last year , and it struck a chord .

Rubislaw 32 link
8/9/2020 02:58:22 am

Ah..someone has cottoned on to your idea that the Zodiac was wearing a semblance of welding clothes at Lake Berryessa , at the ZodiacKiller Reddit site , BB .

I sense that your site , here , is quite popular with regular Reddit contributors , Richard .

BB
8/9/2020 08:40:12 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMK2puBDd6k&has_verified=1


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