"GET CARTER" LETTER

7/5/2019

The December 16th 1969 Fairfield letter has its own unique design, written on lined paper threatening "government life" and 38 cops in San Francisco, San Jose, Vallejo, Napa, Fairfield, Sacramento and Oakland. This correspondence was not released to the newspapers, thereby making any subsequent letter mirroring this communication all the more significant. Any future author could not be accused of copycatting the Zodiac Killer using the Fairfield letter as their guide. That is what makes the "Jimmy Carter" letter, mailed on June 8th 1977, so very interesting when placed alongside the 'Zodiac letter' from December 16th 1969.

The FBI files stated "Enclosed for the bureau is one copy of a letter threatening to kill numerous political figures and television personalities and envelope postmarked Sacramento, California 6/8/77. For information of the bureau, on 6/9/77, the Sacramento Bee newspaper received the enclosed letter and information was developed that captioned subject was currently under indictment for threatening to kill the president and a check with U.S. Secret Service, Sacramento, confirmed this. On 6/9/77 Assistant U.S. Attorney Donald Heller, Sacramento, determined that redacted had been sentenced that day for violation of Title 18, section 871, Threats to Kill the President to an indeterminate sentence under the Youth Corrections Act. Based on this information, Assistant U.S. Attorney Donald Heller advised he would consider no further prosecution of captioned subject. On 6/19/77, the originals of the enclosed letter and envelope were turned over to the U.S. Secret Service Agent to be made a part of their case".

The candidates threatened high on the list are elected government officials from the Democratic Party, followed by television personalities - with President Jimmy Carter top of the hit list of 30. The December 16th 1969 Fairfield letter also threatened "government life", with 38 people placed in a similar list at the foot of the letter Two letters, both on lined paper, separated by nearly eight years, and both promising to kill 30+ people. Let us take a closer look at the Jimmy Carter and Fairfield letter alongside each other. The Fairfield letter has been placed beneath the Jimmy Carter letter in the image below.

I have highlighted certain areas of interest in blue, green and red. In the Jimmy Carter letter the author begins with "this letter has been written to tell the people", whereas in the Fairfield letter the author begins with "I just want to tell you". The Jimmy Carter letter then threatens the "following people to be killed", with the Fairfield letter stating "I will kill more people". And finally, the Jimmy Carter letter concludes with "you better carry out the demand", with the Fairfield letter ending with "you better print". Not withstanding the similar construct and tone of each letter, along with the lined paper, the handwriting is comparable. Furthermore, if we compare these two letters with the threat letter to Richard Nixon (more government life) on May 14th 1973, we see a pattern. The December 16th 1969, May 14th 1973 and June 8th 1977 letters, all begin with either "to tell you that", "to tell you this" and "to tell the people".

Thanks to Zodiac Killer Site for images, and Rubislaw32.

43 Comments

Richard

7/6/2019 12:59:01 am

Youth offenders could have their conviction vacated or set aside if they were aged between 18 and 26 under Title 18. The person who threatened Jimmy Carter in 1977, whose single name was redacted in the FBI files was 24-year-old Edward Falvey. 26 years later he was in federal prison, where he wrote a letter to a psychologist stating that he wanted to spice up his life by shooting a famous person. Falvey added a hit list to his letter that included Hillary and Bill Clinton, and a number of federal judges. This hit list sounds familiar.

Richard

7/6/2019 01:04:32 am

Edward Falvey received probation for the 1977 threat on Jimmy Carter.

Richard

7/6/2019 01:07:59 am

A convicted bank robber who told a prison psychologist he wanted to "spice up" his life by shooting a famous person has admitted threatening to kill U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), officials in Camden said.

Edward Falvey, 51, pleaded guilty to a charge of threatening to kill an immediate family member of a former president, a federal crime that carries a penalty of up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. In 1977, Falvey was convicted of threatening to kill President Carter. He received probation.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1YE8FC1UHTMJ:https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-jan-04-na-briefs4.4-story.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Richard

7/6/2019 01:10:50 am

He included a hit list, naming Senator Clinton, as well as former president Bill Clinton and federal judges, said Jacqueline Carle, assistant US Attorney.

After Secret Service agents visited Falvey in prison, officials said he again wrote to the psychologist, saying: "This is all starting to get exciting. . . . I feel like a movie star."

Falvey, serving a 30-month sentence at a federal prison in Fairton, New Jersey, had been scheduled for release in June.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/mans-cure-for-boredom-kill-clinton-20040105-gdi3mk.html

Rubislaw 32 link

7/6/2019 01:34:49 am

Interesting what you have commented on,Richard,regarding a ''youth offender'',as claimed,by the FBI,and naturally the comment is made on what information,the FBI have ''elected'' to offer.

A question,rhetorical or otherwise,might be,''Well,what is this letter doing,as questioned document,then ? ''.

It seems that the FBI are ''fishing'' for more answers [?].

I can't help draw comparisons,with the ''1988 New Canaan Letters'',passed through Mr.Morford's hands,circa March 2015 [?],in order that those letters might find their way into public viewing.And,in this case,the FBI suggested that the letters,were probably by a youth offender,again.

Excuse the cynic in me,but as soon as one hears the term ''Youth Offender''....then one understands that,even the most curious of independent investigators,would be unlikely to breach ''red tape'',necessary to get to the bottom of an alternative ''solution''.

In the evidence that I have found,with respect to the 1988 New Canaan letters,these anyway were written to George Webster,father of Joan Webster....and know,with confidence enough to accuse the FBI and at least ''two'' DOJ's,of misleading the public...and indeed,understand,the significance of the timing,of when the FBI handed the letters,as copies,over to Mr.Morford.

So,one might ask [?]....why are the FBI misleading Mr.Morford and the public,over the source of the letters [?].

This,at least brings into doubt,ironically,that the FBI are suggesting that the letters are fake Zodiac ones !!

All te information,above,will be handed over to a politician,shortly....just in case.the so called ''authorities'' are reading..for it has played its part,in a police spying scandal...with real jobs and real lives,affected.

So yes,in short....I am dubious about the ''lead in'' information,that the FBI ''officially'' offers,on the death list letter,citing Democrat politicians and Democratic alligned ''artists''.

Personally,I believe it is the ''real'' Zodiac,at his ''daft as a brush'' best.

Richard

7/6/2019 02:50:24 am

Whether the FBI are being misleading, cautious or are unable to prove this man authored the letter (because they don't state specifically) I cannot answer. What I do know is the threat letter was associated with him in the same FBI file, he was 24 and therefore eligible for Section 18. But there is no admission on his part or the FBI as to him being the author. However, considering his age and the fact he got probation for threatening the president in 1977, as alluded in the files, I have no doubt he was the person referenced. But that isn't the same as him being the author of the threat letter. The files don't make that clear, but it could be inferred.

Richard

7/6/2019 02:57:25 am

Falvey wrote a letter to Chief Psychologist Dr. Julie Smith on April 23, 2003. She is British, according to the only relevant find on Google.

Richard

7/6/2019 03:09:20 am

This letter was postmarked Sacramento, but I'm sure Edward Falvey was from New York, currently living in Long Island. Cannot be sure, but it's an educated guess.

Richard

7/6/2019 03:37:35 am

I know of your three names Rubislaw for the redacted names, but if the author of this letter was not a resident of Sacramento, like Edward Falvey, then this person had reason to travel to Sacramento to visit these subjects in prison. It could also be argued that the letter was mailed specifically to the Sacramento Bee because the three inmates were housed in Folsom State Prison in 1977. If they had a connection to one another, through an affiliated group, then this should be on record somewhere. I know you have your ideas on this, but I'm searching any alternative inmates at Folsom.

Charles Manson was there from 72-76. Timothy Leary spent time there in the 70s, although I don't believe these were the three mentioned.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/6/2019 03:48:40 am

If of further interest to readers of this site....if we examine the names on the death list...

It starts with members of President Carter's cabinet.Jimmy Carter had only been President,for six months,following 8 years of Nixon and Ford's ''White'' House years,where a hard line approach,was taken against those [perceived] minority anachistic factions.

Carter's ''new era'' was seen as a chance,for a fresh start,at embracing all American's political viewpoints.So,for a presumed ''Zodiac'',six months was a bit ''premature'',to accuse,by inference,''hypocracy'' on the new ''regime'' [?].

But then,we have come to guess,perhaps,that the Zodiac was about ''stirring trouble'',regardless.

From what I can gather,with regard to the,largely,Hollywood based artists,the ''Hypocracy'' was that,they would only become interested in ''minority causes'',if there was a plane laid on,to ferry them to a rally...and with plenty of ''junkets'' on offer.Plus,a chance to further their careers,in complimentary ''spotlights'',already researched by their managers and agents.

Of course,''Jerry Brown'' stands out,as governer of California....and is the ''crossover'',on the list,from national politicians...to the ''California clique''.

So yes,one can see a little of how the list was selected.But,as I have proffered,in the past,the three redacted prisoner's names...hark back to a ''darker'' reminder of ''Black extremism''....the ''forgotten ones'',as this extortionist,might be thinking.

But he [ Zodiac [?] ],probably called that one wrong,anyway,since two of them,were no longer incarcarated.

And,did not actually require his help.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/6/2019 04:09:58 am

Certainly take on board,your comments,Richard...and without actual proof,there is still room for debate.

''Context'',with regard to the list,might offer ''insight'',anyway [?].

There is definitely something ''Psuedo-political'' going on,with ''our'' need,to go back 40-50 years,in time.

Richard

7/6/2019 04:29:26 am

The Jimmy Carter letter concludes with "you better carry out the demand". Here is a November 3rd 1970 Folsom Prison Inmate Manifesto of 31 Demands - one more than the hit list. "We Demand" is written 31 times and underlined. What is blacked out under "the Demand" in the threat letter.

https://www.freedomarchives.org/Documents/Finder/DOC510_scans/Folsom_Manifesto/510.folsom.manifesto.11.3.1970.pdf

Richard

7/6/2019 04:32:53 am

"We the imprisoned men of Folsom Prison seek an end to the injustice suffered by all prisoners, regardless of race, creed or color. The preparation and content of this document has been constructed under the unified efforts of all races and social segments of this prison. We the inmates of Folsom Prison totally and unlimitedly support the California Statewide Prison Strike on Nov. 3, 1970, under the united effort for designated change in administrative prison practice and legislative policy"

Richard

7/6/2019 04:36:46 am

In 1970, prisoners protesting about the brutal regime at Folsom Prison, went on strike for 19 days. They wrote the following manifesto and bill of rights in support of their action.

The following manifesto and bill of rights were written in 1970 by inmates at Folsom prison in the United States. They were formulated to support a prisoners strike.

Over 2,400 prisoners organised a strike. They refused to leave their cells for nineteen days, in the face of constant hunger, discomfort, and psychological and psychological intimidation. Their action was taken in protest again the overcrowded, racist, and brutal prison system.

The manifesto is overtly political, and the prisoners called for the end of injustice suffered by all prisoners, regardless of race, colour, or creed. They referred to the United States prisons as ‘Fascist concentration camps’
The prisoners believed that they were treated like ‘domesticated animals’, selected to their bidding in slave labour, and furnished as personal whipping dogs for the sadistic psychopathic hate of the prison staff.

The manifesto included a section on the ‘unionisation’ of prisoners, as a means to end political persecution, and enabling peaceful dissent. It referenced explicit abuse of powers by prison authorities, such as tear-gassing, locking up of dissenting inmates, shootings, and unusual punishments, and other brutality.

https://libcom.org/blog/folsom-prison-strike-manifesto-bill-rights-1970-05012012

Richard

7/6/2019 04:41:49 am

A manifesto is a published declaration of the intentions, motives, or views of the issuer, be it an individual, group, political party or government.[1][2][3][4] A manifesto usually accepts a previously published opinion or public consensus or promotes a new idea with prescriptive notions for carrying out changes the author believes should be made. It often is political or artistic in nature, but may present an individual's life stance. Manifestos relating to religious belief are generally referred to as creeds.

It could be argued the Jimmy Carter letter is a form of manifesto.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/6/2019 05:00:37 am

Yes indeed....and genuniely interesting.

On first thoughts,these were clearly serious and disturbing complaints [?].

And we do see the ''magic'' name ''Jerry Brown'' on the list [...who strangely,all those years since,has returned as Governor...].

I would only suggest that ''on spec''....this list we view,is a ''chancer's'' effort,merely trying to stir up trouble.

If it had been a ''full on'' and genuine manifesto,an attempt at ''professional presentation'' would surely,have been made [?].

Instead of a ''scrap'',with strange deletions,and the like....with unlikelihood of even the press,taking an interest....as a determined effort,to right a perceived wrong.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/6/2019 05:44:11 am

I presume that,at the time [1977],the Sacramento Bee would have handed the list over to the FBI,with a curiosity to follow up on the story,in some way,and looked at any comparisons,that might be drawn,with the Folsom greivances [?].

One doesn't see that sense of curiosity,nor inclinations to the investigative side to journalism,anymore.

They are simply geared to the ''lazy man's'' philosophy,of currying favour with those in Law Enforcement,that might offer them preferential treatment,if a related story breaks in the future.

It's the ''unquestioning'' that I find difficult to accept.....and really,with the case of the Zodiac Killer,it is only the internet fraternity that are left,as being informed enough to be able to scrutinize Law Enforcement's obligations to bereaved of victims,and the concerned public.

Shame...on the press.

Richard

7/6/2019 06:00:45 am

Unfortunately Rubislaw it's worse than ever today, as most of the high profile newspapers and TV broadcasters don't employ journalists anymore, just propagandists for the corporations and government. The day of serious journalism releasing stories like the Pentagon Papers is long gone. When a serious investigative journalist comes along breaking the hard stories, he is arrested, persecuted and jailed - and receives little to no support from the likes of the BBC, Sky, Fox, CNN or MSNBC news corporations. That is because they are bought and paid for.

Tom1

7/7/2019 06:06:28 am

This is a slightly flawed analysis. The high profile media that you describe is actually the propaganda arm of the progressive left movement in the U.S. So instead of practicing journalism the media is driving the agenda, Academia and the entertainment industry are other entities in this movement. Apart from any objective political discussion or viewpoint this is patently obvious for any observer to be cognizant of.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/6/2019 06:34:50 am

Using You-tube,I can see,all too clearly now that....if you are a Democrat,then you just watch CNN...and if you are a Republican,then you just watch Fox.

And,the ''battle lines'' are clearly drawn....neither major networks ''don't'' even deny that they have political bias [!].

''BBC'' in Britain,is marginally better.....but,as a corporation,are desperate for financial independence.But,with financial independence,will lose ''unbias''.

Catch 22.

''Fake news'' is not strictly speaking,''unreal''.

But it has become ''surreal''.

As you suggest,Richard,''He who pays the piper,calls the tune.''.

7/6/2019 06:41:04 pm

Brothers-R&R

I got your back

Rubislaw 32 link

7/6/2019 11:56:45 pm

Thanks for your support BB....and,as I hope is apparent,to readers of Richard's site....all any of us,are trying to achieve,is uncover the truth,whatever it may be.

And,''talking heads'',certainly helps.

In any dealings that I have had,with police,justice depts.,press,and even the odd politician....I have always attempted,to play ''with a straight bat''....and knowing,that it unlikely that,I will receive any ''defined'' answers,in return.

But,over a period of time,and collectively,from the agencies aforementioned,one can guage ''how the land lies''.

In general,the politicians are Ok people.The police are down to earth,and friendly....but really,are beholden to justice depts. who,are downright ''creepy''.

And,the press are just ''plain ridiculous''...a ''joke''.

My main concern is,that ''LE'' intend to ''walk'' this Zodiac case,into folklore and oblivion.Although they now know,who the Zodiac is,there is too much,legally,to overcome.Not enough condidence in judicial ''victories'',and too much,historically,that is ''embarrassing baggage''....which might be exposed.

I hope that I am wrong.....but the portents,so far,do not look great.

The Bay Area attacks,for example,are too prejuducially compromised,to be winnable,under their own steam.But,could still be ''victories'',as ''plea bargaining'' tools.

That will still be justice,for the families of victims.

And,there is much,I believe,that the FBI have collected,on the Zodiac's acts of extortion,with which to hold him,to account....and successfully,in a court of law.

But,it ''all'' comes down to those ''creepy'' justice depts.,and what ''they'' are prepared to ''enact''.

They only way to get at them,is for politicians to threaten them,with their budget money.

In the scheme of ''moral principles''...the notion is ''pathetic'',really [?].

But ''we'',the public,must disuade justice depts. to ever consider,giving up,on the case of the Zodiac....and take the ''easy option'',of walking it into ''time''.

Richard

7/7/2019 04:28:25 am

Sacramento had an assassination attempt on a president less than two years earlier. On September 5, 1975, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, a cult member of Charles Manson's Manson Family, attempted to assassinate United States President Gerald Ford in Sacramento, California. She wanted to make a statement to people who refused to halt environmental pollution and its effects on Air, Trees, Water, and Animals (ATWA). Although Fromme stood a little more than an arm's length from Ford that Friday morning and pointed a M1911 pistol at him in the public grounds of the California State Capitol building, she had not chambered a round, the gun did not fire, and no one was injured. After the assassination attempt, Ford continued to walk to the California state house, where he met with California governor Jerry Brown. For her crime, Fromme spent 34 years in prison and was released on August 14, 2009.

Tom1

7/7/2019 06:09:51 am

It is stated above that the Fairfield letter was not released to the newspapers but was addressed to The Examiner. A little bit confusing for an oulde. How did it become public?

Richard

7/7/2019 06:15:50 am

Through a FOIA request a few years back. Post 1998.

Richard

7/7/2019 06:20:04 am

Here you go Tom
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=63

Rubislaw 32 link

7/7/2019 01:33:53 pm

Here's something for the pot of rumination,if anyone takes an interest.

If Amundsen was found to have missed the South Pole,by 500 yards,and Scott was found to have hit it ''bang on''....would we now believe that Scott was the first,to reach the South Pole ?

I believe not,and still believe that Amundsen was first.

So,if we found that 5% of pictures,both moving and still,of the first Moon Landing astronauts,were shot in a studio,to give a fascinated audience,something worth looking at,for what was actually happening,at the time.....do we call the whole project,a hoax ?

I believe not.

This is naturally contentious,with the 50th anniversary of the first Moon Landing,upon us...but there is conspiracy story line,as follows...

The ''moon shots'' in Stanley Kubrick's '' 2001 A Space Odyssey '' were completed,in March 1968,at the MGM Borehamwood Studio,Greater London....with the film making its debut a month later.

''A theory'' is that those at NASA realized that ''quality'' footage,on the real moon,was going to be a problem,to guarantee.So,a high profile American politician approached Kubrick,with regard to use of the Borehamwood set.

Kubrick,initially,wanted nothing to do with the idea,but secured permission,for CIA technicians,to use the studio,for one weekend,on a ''lock-up'' basis.

But when Kubrick saw the techician's footage,he was horrified by the seemingly ''amateur'' attempts....and subsequently insisted that he do the job properly,for NASA.

About six months after the first Moon Landing [July 1969],the MGM studio,in Greater London,was demolished,and turned into housing.

Circa 1972/1973,Kubrick and his family started receiving death threats,presumed to be over scenes in his controversial film,''A Clockwork Orange''.To the extent that he requested that the film be banned,in the U.K.

I,as well as others,have spotted links,between the Zodiac's Benicia High School Note,and ''A Clockwork Orange''.

I have spotted a letter sent to Randolph Hearst,from Templeton,Texas,in 1973,with allusions to Jack D Ripper,and the ''Dr.Strangelove'' film,by inference.

The recently published 2001 New Year's Card,may have a ''coming of age'' link to ''Space Odyssey''.And,the caretaker's son,in ''The Shining'' wore a wooly jumper,with a large depiction of Apollo 11,on it,for most of the film.

That's four Kubrick films,with a possible Zodiac link.

Was it the Zodiac,who threatened the lives of Stanley Kubrick,and his family.....and,were the threats made to appear to have emanated,from the U.K. ?

Do the FBI,know the answer,now ?

The FBI have withdrawn their ''Stanley Kubrick'' File,since....I don't know when.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/7/2019 11:27:39 pm

Some reports,to the story above,suggest that it was Henry Kissinger [...aged 96,and still alive...],whom Richard Nixon sent,to meet with Stanley Kubrick.

A case of Nixon's version of the ''Final Solution'',in offering NASA a way round their reservations [?].

A ''poor'' Jewish joke.,of course.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/9/2019 09:05:41 am

Further research indicates that,there have been NASA representatives in the past,that have admitted that Kubrick ''did'' carry out some work,on their behalf.

In effect,that the space body wanted footage,as propanda ''leverage'' against the Soviet Union....if they so needed it....but never used any of Kubrick's footage,on real missions.

''That'' sounds a little ''cloudy''...for if NASA showed any of Kubrick's footage,as a means to ''goad'' the Soviet space body....then,''we'' would all know,anyway,that it didn't represent the truth [?].

''One small step,for Borehamwood,Greater London'' [?].

Most unlikely.

But ''something'' may be ''in the can'',somewhere.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/8/2019 12:08:07 am

Someone is still searching for an elusive ''series of six'' postcards,with one from '' Sandi - Ego,California ''.

Wouldn't it be more ''productive'',to find the divorce date [...probably mentioned in local newspapers..],of Don and Bettye Harden [?].

Rubislaw 32 link

7/10/2019 04:35:14 am

I am not a member of zodiackillersite ....so,probably not my debate,with which to involve,myself...

But....

It is an entirely ridiculous assertion to proffer that Don Harden was responsible for the ''Concerned Citizen'' letter and accompanying 408 cipher keys card.

As you Richard,and some others,have made representation,to this effect.

Apart from being an intelligent,and well educated man,why would he wish to sully the work he had already carried out....albeit,understanding that he probably hadn't solved the 408,100% on the Zodiac intentions,''The first time round'' [?].

In addition,there is no evidence that Harden had ever,nor ever intended to break the law,at any time,in his life.In essence,he was a genuinely ''honest man'',and would not wish to embroil himself,in anything ''under-handed''.

''Underhanded'' is the domain of LE....and some criminals.Sometimes,''under-handed'' is a resort or ''ploy'' used by LE in their fight against criminals,as in ''fire,with fire''.

When are some sleuths going to twig ?....just because,for example,the FBI state something,as being the case..doesn't neceasarily make it so.

We,in examining some official documents from LE agencies,are first,and foremost,examining how LE goes about their work,in ''combatting'' crime.

The predilection for some,to always ''read'' LE,at their word,can become ''wearisome'' in discussion and debate [?].....and one can't help feeling that ''those few'' are simply not alert enough,for the ''sleuth game''.

Richard

7/10/2019 05:04:36 am

His appearance, home location and education don't tally with my perception of Zodiac. People are perfectly entitled to their suspects, but the lens you view anything Zodiac related through, from the letters to the crimes, will begin with your suspect in mind. If you ask somebody who hasn't got a suspect where Zodiac lives, they will analyze the crimes, letters, phone calls etc and give you an answer from a neutral position. If you ask somebody whose suspect lives in San Francisco then your answer will be San Francisco. They will tailor the evidence around their suspect, to arrive at a conclusion they had already decided upon. The person on the forum believes Harden to be Zodiac, and that is fine - but because I don't, it's not a discussion worth having. They just end in animosity and tears.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/10/2019 04:59:08 am

And,I would further suggest that,this goes a long way to explain the Zodiac's selection of the term ''Secret Pal'',directed at Paul Avery.

Along the lines of :

'' Yes Paul....when you get ''that'' involved, ''they'' screw you over....you and I,''both'' [?].''.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/10/2019 10:24:26 am

Yes...well I see that some ''smart ass'' has come back,defending those that consider Don Harden's complicity in the ''Concerned Citizen'' letter,has credulity.

It is their right to do so,of course....but,given that ''Don'' would be putting together this ''Concerned Citizen'' letter,with ''new and improved'' cipher keys....on the very day that his and Bettye's [ 98.5%] successful solution,was published,with the support of the Vallejo P.D....it would be highly unlikely,that he would risk ruining,what the SF Chronicle saw,as a special occasion,to ''stick one over'' on the Zodiac.

But,even if one was persuaded,that Don Harden had done such a thing....that ''someone'' at zodiackillersite ,then suggests that he,and others,as justification,might see Don Harden as an ''early Zodiac enthusiast''.

What ? Now,how early a Zodiac enthusiast,is the contributor,suggesting [?].

The first anyone had heard of the moniker,was with the August 4th letter.The ''Concerned Citizen'' letter,purportedly sent on August 10th.

How many ''early Zodiac enthusiasts'' does this person imagine there to be.....in just a maximum of 6 days [?].

Richard

7/10/2019 01:32:55 pm

Saying I don't want my name in the paper when Donald Harden's name was already in the paper, would appear pointless coming from Donald Harden. But obviously that is just Donald Harden's dry sense of humour. For anybody believing the Concerned Citizen card was Donald Harden is entitled to believe that - proving otherwise after 50 years is an unwinnable argument.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/10/2019 03:59:34 pm

Any extra information I can offer is,that on August 9th,the SF Chronicle,with a certain confidence,were able to print news that a couple had solved the 408.

The Chonicle were desparate to print the actual solution ASAP,but had agreed to wait for the Vallejo PD to Okay it,first.

Det.Sgt.Lynch drove into SF that evening,and checked the solution,at the newspaper's offices.Then Lynch phoned the Hardens,just to check that they were,who they claimed to be.

Then Lynch gave the Chronicle permission to print.The solution was then generally available,breakfast,the next morning,Aug.10th.

If Don Harden had been complicit in the Concerned Citizen letter,he would have got to work,putting the letter and cipher keys,together,within about 12 hours,of assuring Lynch of his identity.

It just doesn't seem ''credulous'' that Harden would do such a thing...simply no real reason that he should consider doing it [?].

That August 10th,was probably,one of the biggest days of Don and Bettye's lives.

Rubislaw 32 link

7/11/2019 02:50:02 am

With the ''finalized'' version of the 408 [...presumably sanctioned by the FBI...],we view a slightly more accurate version,than the Harden's original solution.Without dwelling too much on specific technicalities,the Zodiac had deployed 8 polyphonic symbols,for which Don,in his short time,had failed to spot.

But,of course,there really wasn't any doubt to the composite meaning,expressed by the Harden's 98.5% solve.

What is,perhaps,of ''ironic hilarity''......is that,at 98.5% of a solve,the solution appeared to have more spelling errors,than the Zodiac had originally intended.

So,as printed,and in the cold light of day...instead of appearing to be written by a ''bad'',slightly backward man....the solution looked and sounded,as if it had been written by a childish schoolboy.

The Zodiac,on viewing the SF Chronicle's first addition....must have gone ''ballistic'' [?].

It really does seem,therefore,that on that August 10th day,when the 408 solution debuted,that it was the Zodiac,himself,whom,after coming to terms,with a certain humiliation....bothered himself,to send keys,that would,at least straighten out,some of those ''too plentiful'' spelling errors.

But,as ''we'' know now....a case of ''too little,too late'',for the Zodiac.

And,''Game,set and match'',for the Hardens.

Richard

7/11/2019 03:26:25 am

I used to not believe it was Zodiac, but after reviewing the details it seems the likeliest proposition. The Harden's solve was originally only an 87% solve, because they didn't decode the final 18 (whether or not it's gibberish). They solved 390 characters. If we factor in your 1.5% loss, your argument should strictly be 85.5 % in total.

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7/11/2019 04:19:32 am

Yes..I take your point,Richard.Since there is too much,up for grabs,on the final 18 characters....I tend to judge the overall acomplishment,in terms of what was available to be solved,readily.

And,I believe it is noted,by many that give the solution,a ''keen eye'',that Zodiac probably was ''guilty'' on an ''unforced error'' [..''people'' or no ''people'' [?]....].

What had knocked me back,a little,recently,was the uncovering of ''counter intelligence'' branches of the FBI [Black Extremism]...and their employment of ''A friend''.''A Citizen'',and ''Concerned Sister''.

But,I have subsequently found that the term ''Concerned Citizen'',was quite widely used,at that time [...a bit like ''Angry of Tunbridge Wells'',in England....].

So,it does seem that,in all probability,it was the Zodiac,who ''came back''....and,''quick as a flash''...with the ''Concerned Citizen'' letter,to Det.Sgt.Lynch,on the very day that the Harden's solution debuted.

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7/11/2019 06:20:30 am

...I seem to have ''spun a coin'' on this 408/Concerned Citizen ''milarky''.

New threads have been emerging in the last 24 hours,on the internet.

One such,is claiming to ''smell a rat'' over the Harden's purported ''20 hour solve'' on the 408 cipher.A particular contributor is proffering that the ''408'' represents,at least 4-5 days work,to untangle.

I suspect that ''this contributor'' probably emanates from the ''computing/software'' fraternity,who believe that nothing is worth an effort...unless it involves a machine...thereby abdicating responsibility for one's brain to take a ''proper airing'' over a problem,in question.

Notions apart,.....it is complete ''Tosh'' to suggest that the Hardens were incapable of uncovering the meat of a solution...in less than a day.

This was not an ''overly difficult'' cipher to crack....and,not that much more difficult than ones to be found in the early days of modern cryptography,at the time of Elizabeth I,400 years ago.

But neither does this detract from the Harden's effort....who were the 408's pioneer solvers,with plenty of ''unknowns'' to start with,as a handicap.

'' 4-5 days '' [?] [!].

I ''smell a rat'' that this particular contributor,hasn't a clue about what they are talking about...but still elects to spread misinformation.

Richard

7/11/2019 07:41:20 am

That cipher was perfectly capable of being solved in 20 hours or less. Once you've identified the "kill" and "killing" areas, along with the tendencies of a serial murderer to refer to himself, the resulting snowball effect would gather pace. The cipher may have taken me four years or decades to solve, because I don't proclaim to be a cryptographer, but for somebody like the Harden's - no problem. Today, on a computer, a matter of minutes. For an experienced cipher solver, the 408 would be relatively easy.

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7/11/2019 01:34:43 pm

Well said Richard....and for those that have claimed that the FBI and ''Naval Intelligence'' were unable to solve it,simply have their heads in the clouds.

The FBI would have completed it,in the same time as the Hardens...and would have spotted the deployment of 8 polyphonic symbols,to boot.

But,well done to the Hardens....who just managed to ''squeak it in'',before the FBI started to ''run the show''.

This ''same'' contributor,who claims that the 408 would require ''at least 4-5 days '' is now claiming that he is on the cusp of solving the 340....and,that he is ''in for a hell of a ride'' for the next few days,as he uncovers its solution.

Well,I ought not to smirk.....for I am claiming the very same thing,two years ago.When I had elected to start the 340,I had it knocking around the house,like an old crossword puzzle,never expecting to finish.

I would suggest to others that,I did actually know what was required to finish it....but doubted that finished it,was actually possible.

A case of ''Humpty Dumpty'' too fatally injured,to be salvagable.

''Good Luck'' to ''Nav'',but I suspect that he speaks too prematurely.

The Zodiac case tends to teach one that no matter how hard we work,or desire the truth....we are actually ''deserving'' of nothing at all.

Richard

7/11/2019 02:03:27 pm

You know my opinion on the 340 Rubislaw, so I won't be holding my breath.

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