ZODIAC CIPHERS
RICHARD GRINELL, COVENTRY, ENGLAND
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FROM YOUR SECRET PAL

12/6/2015

 
This is a continuation of the 'Skeleton in the Closet' article, for which I will post a link below, but is a further examination of the Halloween card mailed to the San Francisco Chronicle on October 27th 1970 and the reasons behind its design. It was mailed to Paul Avery, and on the face of it appeared to contain a veiled threat toward the San Francisco journalist, however, the question remains, was it actually a threat or just disguised humor directed at the reporter, as the card itself was bereft of any direct reference to harming Paul Avery. On October 18th 1969 Paul Avery ran a piece in the San Francisco Chronicle, entitled  'Zodiac-Portrait of the Killer' describing the Zodiac Killer as a "latent homosexual". Under this banner he stated "The killer of five who calls himself 'Zodiac' is a clumsy criminal, a liar and possibly a latent homosexual."

Law enforcement and structured journalism will often attempt to provoke a reaction from a criminal - in this case a murderer - so as to generate a response that somehow undermines their anonymity and in doing so aid their capture, whether the claim of the article bears any truth or not. In this case the delay between Paul Avery's article and the Halloween card arrival would suggest not, after all, the time difference is approximately one year. That is until we drill down into the Halloween card, not for complex answers or mathematical solutions, but for the sheer simplicity of it all. ​  
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The Halloween card introduction states 'From Your Secret Pal',  from where a number of interesting features follow, including a strategically placed pumpkin over the 'genitalia' or pelvic region of the first skeleton. This of course could mean anything or nothing at all, nevertheless, it is suggestive of an act of concealment, of something hidden from prying eyes. On the inside of the Halloween card the pumpkin has effectively been removed, or to be more precise, it has not been implemented, and the pelvic region of the skeleton is now exposed to the accompaniment of the word BOO and implied shock value of such a revelation. The exposure is now in full view of the many eyes littered across the card and the secret is out of the bag. One does not know if this is cheap toilet humor on behalf of Zodiac in response to Paul Avery, but to uncover the truth we shall examine the Halloween card even further.

'Skeleton in the closet', coined in the 19th century, is a colloquial phrase and idiom used to describe an undisclosed fact about someone which, if revealed, would have a negative impact on perceptions of that said individual - and since we are examining this card as a response to Paul Avery, in view of his "latent homosexual" remark in the San Francisco Chronicle, this phrase has some credence, bearing in mind the design of the Halloween card. Coming out of the closet is widely used by the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community (LGBT) as affirmation of their real, yet previously hidden or concealed sexual identity.     

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It has been suggested that the Zodiac Killer may have been of British origin because of his use of language, however, it is equally possible he may have been exposed to British parentage or quite simply have worked in or around a theatrical environment, facilitating his access to disguises, and more importantly, the materials for his Lake Berryessa costume.

This brings us to the underlined LAV on the Halloween card envelope. This could easily have been a simple underscore, having no meaning whatsoever, but let us assume for a moment this was not the case and it did have an intentional hidden meaning in line with the rest of the correspondence. If the Zodiac Killer was of British origin or of theatrical leanings, what could the word LAV mean. The word lav is an abbreviation for lavatory or water closet, often used in British colloquialism, and could provide us with a link back to the homosexuality angle. On the outside of the envelope we have closet, within the envelope on the card we have skeletons, so effectively we have skeletons in the closet. Admittedly this is a reach, so let us examine further the contention that Zodiac may have been a latent homosexual, or for that matter, one who had already come out of the closet.

It has also been considered that Zodiac had a military connection, in part, because of the Wing Walker boot impressions discovered at Lake Berryessa on September 27th 1969. What we do know, is that homosexuality and the military did not go hand in glove, certainly not in the 1960s and 1970s - and beyond. The Zodiac Killer was indelibly linked to San Francisco, as most of his mailings were to the San Francisco Chronicle, along with his final confirmed murder, which displayed a marked deviation from his previous attacks on lone couples across the bay. Paul Stine was believed to have picked up his final passenger from the theater district, near the intersection of Mason and Geary, while some believe it may have been around the area of Nob Hill or the Tenderloin District. San Francisco in the 1960s had overseen a marked change, in particular the Castro District having been transformed from a working class area to a prominent symbol of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender movements. After World War II many military personnel courted the area, unwilling to return to a life incompatible with homosexuality and other forms of behavior, and areas like the Tenderloin and Castro Street became the home to many gay bars and sex clubs. The Mason and Geary Street intersection which bisects the Nob Hill and Tenderloin districts, combines both the LGBT and theater influences under one banner, and may place the Zodiac Killer integral to this area, as this was the only time he failed to use his own vehicle in the commission of a crime. The question remains though, where had he been earlier that night?      

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The Zodiac Killer appeared to project a feeling of enmity towards the police and newspapers, in particular the San Francisco Chronicle, leading us to consider the motive of his attacks on predominantly young heterosexual couples, along with his bitterness and enjoyment in taunting the police and San Francisco Chronicle for nearly five years.

The Halloween festival, LGBT community, police and San Francisco Chronicle were inextricably linked in the 1960s and 1970s.  Halloween in the Tenderloin grew in the early 1960s with the growing LGBT community and welcomed tourists – who many of the prostitutes and hustlers relied upon for income. By the late 1960s, a major celebration area during Halloween was along Grant Avenue in North Beach, on which there were many gay bars in the late 1960s between Broadway and Union. In the early years of San Francisco it was against the law for men to dress up in women's clothing, but an exception was made for one night only on Halloween, a pagan celebration that would become the adopted day for gay celebrations. Gay bars were often the targets of extortion by police and people were routinely rounded up and hauled before the courts. Raids on gay bars were routine, with everyone inside the raided bar taken into custody and charged with such crimes as being "inmates in a disorderly house". Although the charges were routinely dropped, the arrested patrons' names, addresses and workplaces were printed in the newspapers, including the San Francisco Chronicle.

Considering the military angle, persecution by the police and 'gay shaming' in the newspapers, could this all have come together, in part, to become the trigger for Zodiac's compulsion to fight back against a system he felt alienated by. ​As early as 1963, Castro Street opened its first gay bar, the 'Missouri Mule'. One such person, was gay activist and entertainer Jose Sarria, who himself had served in World War II, but continued to fight the police harassment against, not only gay people, but gay establishments as a whole, having performed in the 'Black Cat Bar' at 710 Montgomery Street, a north-south thoroughfare. 1228 Montgomery Street was the former residence of Melvin Belli, who also became embroiled in the Zodiac case, Melvin Belli, Jose Sarria and the San Francisco Chronicle became intertwined in respect to these police raids and just may have been the reason the Zodiac Killer turned to Melvin Belli in his December 20th 1969 communication, in conjunction with his appearance on the Jim Dunbar Show. The following explains their actions to thwart police oppression. 

In consultation with attorney Melvin Belli, Sarria countered this tactic by distributing labels to his fellow drag queens (hand-made, in the shape of a black cat's head)  that read "I am a boy". If confronted, the queen would simply display the tag to prove that there was no intent to deceive. Sarria's actions helped bring an end to Halloween police raids.
The Zodiac Killer made reference to counterculture buttons in the Dragon card and Button letter, stating "If you dont want me to have this blast you must do two things. Tell everyone about the bus bomb with all the details. I would like to see some nice Zodiac buttons wandering about town. Everyone else has these buttons like, black power, melvin eats bluber, etc. Well it would cheer me up considerably if I saw a lot of people wearing my buton. Please no nasty ones like melvin's". The reference to melvin eats bluber is based on the creation of buttons in the mid to late 60s by Irwin Weisfeld, in the form of a counter culture expressionism. The actual pin button says Melville Eats Blubber, which is in fact referring to Herman Melville, the creator of Moby Dick, published in 1851.  

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In response to the perceived threat on Paul Avery in the Halloween card, colleagues would wear buttons on their clothing similar to the "I am a boy" declaration, but on this occasion would read "I am not Paul Avery." ​Was the Zodiac Killer imploring people to wear his Zodiac buttons, influenced by his experiences in the gay bars of San Francisco years earlier?

Melvin Belli was also well known for 'Elmer' the skeleton, which he would often used in his medical malpractice suits which, after winning a court case, he would invariably raise a Jolly Roger flag over his Montgomery Street office building in the Barbary Coast district of San Francisco.

Are any of the above in anyway responsible for the 'toilet humor' employed by the Zodiac Killer within the Halloween card, created as a direct result of his experiences of vilification and persecution by the police and San Francisco Chronicle in the anti-homosexual climate of fear he lived in, that ultimately drove him on his conquest of revenge and retribution? Is there any chance, however small, that the Zodiac Killer's name, address and workplace may be found in the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper archives, as a result of the 'gay shaming' that occurred throughout the 1960s and 1970s? Is there a name we may recognize in print, or has the Zodiac Killer's identity once again slipped through our fingers. 
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http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/skeleton-in-the-closet  

Alex Lewis
12/6/2015 11:52:57 am

Good Evening Richard, how is One keeping and all the expected niceties faff. Now, the Topic at Hand...

Only 2 to three hours ago myself Richie I was sat annoying myself muttering how much of a complete frustrating expletive He/They are. One Observed the following info that appears if you want it to after a while (lol)....

'But why Spoil the Game' it is assumed is written behind Boney Figure grinning, but this sentence ias not visible in entirety and Spoil cannot be seen as A full word, jnstead, Oil can. Reference to Humble? Yep, ermm, no.....well maybe but fk knows if truth be told!

The declaration that the writer is A Secret Pal tends to suggest, for me anyway, that He the writer is known to Avery and even in a close enough role to be Referred to as a 'Pal'....albeit a secret One. That is, obviously, reliant on writer addressing and referring Paul Avery Directly. Hde wrote to Avery on this occasion personally abandoning the 'Please rush to Editor' demand.

Still, He may have addressed the card to Avery and the message was for noher,or Law Enforcement, but whichever way, the suggestion in the messages undertones iis completely sinister and quite frightening. The Author is hinting that He is known to and pals with the person or persons He is addressing but they likely have no idea Their friend and Zodiac are one and the same. He knows this though and this is his little secret.

Anyway Rich I just read the riot Act to the FB......I! Filed my third FOIA for that redacted individual's identity to be given to me at once and....oh, i'll post below the request itself...

Richard
12/7/2015 02:18:49 am

I guess what your saying Alex is Zodiac specifically chose the card and the wording 'From Your Secret Pal' to send a specific message, likely to not only Paul Avery, but possibly a law enforcement member. This could bring you back to 'Ask the Vallejo cop about my electric gun sight which I used to start my collecting of slaves', for whom he was suggesting had some close allegiance. It is certainly worth considering, particularly if the murderer was say, a reporter himself, who had inside knowledge and interaction with police. Do you believe the 1990 American Greetings Card was genuine Zodiac material, after all this was headed 'From Your Secret Pal' and contained the photocopied keys. The fact it was a Christmas Greeting, like the Belli Letter, could suggest either previous interaction on a personal or professional level. I have always believed if the card was sent by Zodiac, that what is more important than the keys portrayed, is the fact they were photocopied. Don't forget it would be easy to draw keys, why the effort to produce a negative. Any ideas in relation to this from the 'secret pal' angle.

Richard
12/7/2015 02:36:30 am

Another thing that has continually bugged me was that scene in the 2007 movie showing a piece of Paul Stine's shirt present in the Halloween Card, regarded as a non-truth. They consulted Dave Toschi and many other law enforcement, along with the newspapers and Zodiac aficionados in the case, yet still apparently made a massive blooper. There was no need to incorporate this into yet another scene, as they had already done the shock value with the October 13th and Melvin Belli Letter. I believe 3 pieces were sent, these two and one with the Bus Bomb Letter. Was this the fourth. It has been widely accepted that not all the material from Paul Stine's shirt has been recovered, was this the missing piece, withheld from original police sources that was eventually released during this film or is it simply editorial license as some people portray it.

Richard
12/7/2015 01:24:04 pm

What about this Welsh in the 2007 documentary. Whether Donald Fouke stopped the killer has long been contested, but I think we both know the answer, but I want to bring something else up.
Donald Fouke said this; "one month later when the composite drawing came out at Richmond Station and was posted on the wall, it looked similar to the man that I had seen on October 11th. I then wrote a scratch, err, interdepartmental memorandum to my lieutenant to forward to homicide division so that they would have the additional information about the appearance of the suspect."
Are you kidding me. So effectively the composite and its amendment in the second version had no input from Donald Fouke. Both composites were drawn up from the three teenagers.
Remember what Donald Fouke said when informed of the correct white male description by Pelissetti, he used an expletive and said "Oh that was the suspect and off they went to search in the Presidio. So Pelissetti was aware that Fouke had passed somebody and he believed that Donald Fouke had stopped the suspect. Then how come it took one month or 30 odd days in a murder case, not only to write the scratch, but to inform homicide division of crucial extra details and description. Why did he sit on this information for one month, why didn't homicide detail or Dave Toschi and Bill Armstrong interview the relevant officers straight after the murder, after all Donald Fouke had additional info to the kids and Pelissetti also knew Donald Fouke had passed an important suspect.
He said "when the composite drawing came out at Richmond Station and was posted on the wall, it looked similar to the man that I had seen on October 11th." It almost sounds like it was the first time he had viewed it, even though it had been up in the Bay Area for almost a month. Donald Fouke knew on the night of October 11th he passed somebody on Jackson, Pelissetti knew Fouke had passed somebody, Dave Toschi and Bill Armstrong were on scene and nobody interviewed the officers that night or the following day and they in turn never came forward. You cannot be serious. If Fouke had done an independently composite prior to the sketch of the three teenagers, we may have more or less faith in the composite after all these years. It is absolutely no use writing a scratch one month after the event, particularly in view of already seeing the composite. The big question and you know the answer Welsh is all about transparency. Why would everyone sit on their hands for one month, before a mystery suspect was unearthed stumbling down Jackson Street.

Alex Lewis
12/12/2015 02:05:03 pm

Many good points there Rich and I agree, if we believe the official account then hardly anything makes sense nor follows procedure.

For me Rich they (They being the SFPD) are deliberately leaving much out of the reports, and even covering up vital known facts and circumstances.
I think Fouke likely did tell His superiors of His encounter on the night itself or the day after, and as I said previous, I think Don knows very well who He saw and spoke with & told His superiors who it was and this is where the cover up comes into play. Fouke hinted He had let the guy go because of who it was when He stated "I think I second Guessed myself that night' and for me, that's His way of saying "Seeing who it was on the street there, I simply assumed there would be no way He was responsible.

And your right, the composite was up for several weeks and Don did not comment on it until one month later which simply means that for several weeks that composite was up for all to see and according to Fouke, was not accurate because the suspect's age and weight is clearly incorrect.

Alex Lewis
12/12/2015 02:18:13 pm

I mean if it were simple One cop on the night that admits to encountering a white male but failing to request the details thereof it would be shockingly incompetent, but two.....Well that's just completely ridiculous. Armond speaks with a white male near the Intersection of Jackson & Maple and fails to do the first thing any cop is trained to do in such a situation, ascertain Identity. Then a second cop is said to have done exactly the same in Don Fouke! Bull shit! I don't believe that for a second!
Again, this goes to why I believe Don is and always has denied speaking with His WMA on Jackson Street because the instant He admits to having done so, the demand from the public will be "And what was His name?" Asked in a way as if it were, and quite rightly, simply assumed that He would have done this.

Alex Lewis
12/12/2015 02:31:06 pm

I mean Armond stated the first thing He noted about the guy He spoke with was that, quote: "He was somewhat older than the description I had...."

The description He had was given Him by the teens back at the scene, who's description of the suspect and His age we would later be told by Don was incorrect and the suspect was actually older than the teens seem to describe Him as being in the composite. So His being older would be accurate, opposed to a point to rule him out. "He had absolutely no blood on His clothes" Armond further remarks. Well neither would I if I was sitting directly behind Paul when shooting Him.

I mean I don't want to make this a 'Brit Cops vs US Cops' kind of immature point scoring game, however, I have to state it that the very very first thing that any British Cop would do on that same or similar situation upon encountering a person close to the scene is inform them of the crime that has just taken place around the corner in which a firearm was used and that they are now going to carry out a search of that person to ensure they do not have any weapons. Then secure their details.
I mean am I expected to believe that two cops carrying guns who are aware that the suspect they seek is armed and extremely dangerous, did not, upon encountering someone close by to the homicide scene, then search the person and likely at gun-point to ensure their own safety?

I mean please! This is just complete rubbish!

Alex Lewis
12/12/2015 02:48:15 pm

This clip is perfect to cement my point. Here in this clip the offender has shot at Police and disappeared into an area of houses which the police quickly surround and cordon off. At one point the officer speaking to the camera states "We don't know if the offender has changed clothes, if He is local to the area..."

At 8:50 the narrator observes: "Suddenly, someone appears inside the cordon." This then see's armed police stop this guy and order Him to keep His hands where they can see them, and then search Him and while doing so tell the man "The reason I am searching you is for Firearms, we've had an incident in the area...."

The clip will begin at 8:50 but watch the entire event is my advise...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pksB5y-jj4U

Richard
12/7/2015 02:05:30 pm

Furthermore Donald Fouke said "It is purported in Zodiac Unmasked that I tearfully told Inspector Toschi - You know Dave we could have been killed that night, I NEVER SPOKE TO TOSCHI that I personally know of or remember, he may have been the inspector who came out and asked me about the composite drawing and I told him the suspect was older and heavier, beyond that I had no further contact with the investigation."
So Donald Fouke never spoke with Toschi, one of the lead investigators in the murder. Maybe it's just me, but if I were a lead investigator I think I would have interviewed the relevant responding personnel that night, particularly the first on the scene and the one travelling on Jackson Street or conversely if he was not availed of this information, if I were Fouke I would have made my observations on Jackson available to Toschi.
Fouke then said "he may have been the inspector who came out and asked me about the composite drawing and I told him the suspect was older and heavier." But he had previously said "I then wrote a scratch, err, interdepartmental memorandum to my lieutenant to forward to homicide division so that they would have the additional information about the appearance of the suspect." So if he had met Toschi, it could only have been before the scratch, because it would have been unnecessary to have told him after the scratch, as this was Fouke's additional information. However if he never spoke to Donald Fouke, why not, this is after all a murder case. Who informed Fouke to write a scratch one month too late, what were they cooking. Getting the story straight, inserting a black male into the equation. Even this was specifically underlined in the scratch to emphasize the point.

Alex Lewis
12/6/2015 12:05:54 pm

FOIA...

" Today's Date: DECEMBER 6, 2015.


For the Attention of FOIA Officer: Mr David P. Sobonya.


Dear Sir.

The following requests are being made under/via the Freedom of Information Act.

This request will deal with a document dated November 6th, 1969 specifically. The Document in question is found within your Dpt's files and is within The FBI's Website Vault, under 'Vault Home - The Zodiac Killer Part 02 of 06.' (Please Note, the Document of relevance that pertains to this request is the Fifteenth (15) page/doc into the Forty-One page Folder.

This Titled Document consists of Two A4 sized pages of information therein, and the Document details which will assist your Dpt. in locating the Document itself, are as follows:

Status and Doc Date: URGENT: 11 - 6 - 69 MS

To: DIRECTOR (9-49911) Attn: IDENT DIVISION

From: SAN FRANCISCO (9-2296)

Document Header/Title and/or Subject matter: UN-SUB, "VALLEJO TIMES HERALD," VALLEJO, CALIFORNIA - VICTIM - EXTORTION 00: SACRAMENTO.

The request in relation to this document I have relates to the second of the two pages in the two page Document. This document relates to the unsolved and inactive case known in General by the criminal/criminals moniker of 'The Zodiac Killer.'

Please could you go to the second sheet of this document (A4) that begins with: 'PAGE TWO. Followed by -REDACTED NAME- WMA, DOB: -Redacted-, RESIDES: -REDACTED ADDRESS- SAN FRANCISCO.'

The following sentence features the redacted name for which I am petitioning your Dpt. for the release of said person Named in this sentence. The Sentence in question is as follows, quote:

"FOR INFO IDENT DIVISION, SAN FRANCISCO PD ADVISED EIGHT YEAR OLD WITNESS IN MURDER OF CAB DRIVER IDENTIFIED --REDACTED NAME-- AS POSSIBLE SUBJECT IN THIS MATTER.' End quote.

The above statement and the said redacted name is the name I am requesting be released. Please be advised I am aware that the onus is with requesting party to show proof of said person deceased as Privacy Laws are no longer relevant nor Legally prevent personal names and/or info being withheld.
I cannot, as I respectfully hope your Dpt understands that I am not in a position to supply the status of this person as Living or Deceased when the very request I am making is for the name/identity of said redacted individual to be made known/released.

This will be my Third request for this redacted name to be released and in my not wishing to file request's one after another for this same name release (As I appreciate your back-logged as it is with requests) could you please respond to this request with either granting the requested redact be un-redacted & rel;eased and, or if it be denied, could I please get a quick sentence or two to explain why this name is unable to be made public?

I am genuinely respectful and appreciative of your Dpt. being willing to look into this and to help with my specific request. I look forward to hearing back in reply from you in direct relation to the above request.

Please could you send any/all response material/Documentation to the following Residential Address & Name...."


Greg H.
12/6/2015 04:26:58 pm

Well done, Alex... I was wondering, if you are experienced with filing FOIA requests, perhaps you might like to file one for this particular piece of information, found at this link:

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=247&fullsize=1

It says that an unnamed Agent has the names of some 500-1000 individuals who purchased Wing Walkers from Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield, CA.. And the Agent will keep this record of names to be made available to officers upon their request... I would be highly interested in learning who bought these boots and whether the names of any top suspects might be present on the list... Let me know what you think...
Thanks, Greg

Greg H.
12/7/2015 05:33:18 pm

Hi again Alex..

Was just looking at your website report on L. Kane and something caught my attention.. According to the FOIA request you filed in July, there came back the name of a suspect called "Camilo Romero" d.o.b. 12-15-38 ...This is an odd coincidence due to how much his name resembles that of actor Cesar Romero who played The Joker in the Batman episode "The Zodiac Crimes" and also Dr. Zodiac / Fred Rhadini in the influential film "Charlie Chan at Treasure Island".. Curious...

Alex Lewis
12/7/2015 09:05:13 pm

Hiya Greg.

Well that's a good observation mate and I read the Batman 'Zodiac' Actor comments raising an eyebrow while thinking 'That's interesting... ' and then when you said Mr Chan's 'Dr. Zodiac' was also said actor it was one of those moments where I was happy I hadn't just taken a swig of Tea or Any drink as this info was given as coughing & choking would delay my verbal words "He played Dr Zodiac also?? Take that word 'coincidence' and throw it out the window.'

Anyway, FBI's Head FOIA Agent Dave Sobonya, to His credit, did not issue me the standard auto response and emailed me personally to assure me He will make sure that regardless of outcome. He made a statement of fact that a reply will be sent to myself via postage mail.

I shall paste email from David below and following this one . . .

Alex Lewis
12/7/2015 09:12:55 pm

Email:

"Dear Mr. Lewis,

The FBI has received your Freedom of Information Act/Privacy (FOIPA) request and it will be forwarded to Initial Processing for review. Your request will be processed under the provisions of FOIPA and a response will be mailed to you at a later date.

Requests for fee waivers and expedited processing will be addressed once your request has been assigned an FOIPA request number. You will receive written notification of the FBI’s decision.

Information regarding the Freedom of Information Act/Privacy is available at http://www.fbi.gov/, http://www.fbi.gov/foia/ or http://www.justice.gov/oip. If you require additional assistance please contact the Public Information Officer.

Thank you,

Alex Lewis
12/12/2015 10:43:20 am

Sorry Greg, totally overlooked this in initially reading it..

"Well done, Alex... I was wondering, if you are experienced with filing FOIA requests, perhaps you might like to file one for this particular piece of information, found at this link. . ."

Well, I can't say I know for a fact it will apply to this type of request, but I know of another example where a list was requested via FOIA and the amount the FBI said it would to put that particular list together and release it was just ridiculous.

Secondly Mate, I don't know, but I would assume that this kinda info would be held by and classed as US Military Records, not information that the FBI would have, and even if they did, could not release it because it isn't pubic record. If you want to try though, I'm more than happy to help you file a request if you wish.

Robin Smith
12/6/2015 12:55:56 pm

Alex,

If you ever do find this name please let me know!!

Robin

Alex Lewis
12/6/2015 03:00:16 pm

Robin to say I am determined to get that name is an understatement. I have a strong gut instinct that if the veil of secrecy is lifted and the name revealed then that name will echo the words written by Betty Harden long ago when She said: "When I write the true ending to this case it will shake the Earth."

As Rich pointed out earlier, you expect in any investigation for the odd discrepancy to be found, the odd contradictory witness statements etc and that's called being human and non-perfect.

But this Zodiac case, that not and cannot be in the near vicinity of 'expected few minor inconsistencies and into the realm of 'Beyond chance or even too error clad and contradiction strewn to be a case of criminally incompetent in their ability to do their job. of them involved' It's is not, in my opinion, up for debate or question because the physical evidence and admissions of people such as Fouke Himself to lying can only mean one thing, it's completely clear & obvious to be deliberate false reporting, deliberate misdirecting of public by lying about suspect location when seen and conspiracy to fabricate events and scape-Goat usage of a Dispatcher as the idiot to blame for all this mess, yes, the ones person who is behind the scenes and never comes out from His dark room for us to request He account for this sheer bumbling Color mix-up by 'faceless' dispatcher.

Alex Lewis
12/6/2015 03:27:07 pm

I know one thing Robin, Members of public and especially police officers won't go to such length to make shit up, lie about people seen or 'forget' having seen and when outed by offender come up with 'Don't look at me, I did nothing it is all the dispatchers fault!!"

There's something underlying this case I just instinctively know it, there has to be because the conduct here person after person are known to have engaged in is on a scale that I have never seen before and there's a reason they did and continue to behave in ways that make no sense even unto the present day.

A TV show with their own healthy budget comes along in times of economic instability where Police Dpts. are cutting back on as much as they can, shutting down cold case squads and having to carefully select which crimes are serious enough to warrant expensive testing given the green light in terms of DNA.

You assume and think SFPD would delighted to have all costs of expensive DNA tests covered totally by a TV Channel/Show and who knows, they just might kill two birds with one stone and remove that thorn that's still stuck firmly in SFPD's side called Zodiac and have Him and His identity dragged into the lights from the shadows by force of the 21st Century Technological Advancements.

SFPD let us know they really appreciated the financial burden removed and covered by 3rd party by telling Mystery-Quest to piss off and no they ain't having the DNA. Why such a hostile response and what sense is there to have even a slim chance of results being discovered and/or DNA match and slim as that chance is, pull the rug rite out from under the Families of Betty-Lou, Cecelia, Paul and everybody who's life Zodiac took a big part from and deny them the chance to get justice..... It's just cause their all non-empathetic sadists or, maybe, they already know that of which you and I are running in circles trying to uncover.
Again, these people seem to have no concept of "What if it was your daughter who was stabbed so sadistically all over including the groin? Doesn't get through this kinda attempt to get them to see it from Miss Faraday's POV etc because, put simply, it isn't their Daughters.

PierceAero
12/6/2015 03:52:45 pm

That post makes a lot of sense and covers things I had not seen before. I had a girlfriend from Pacific Union College (one of the wilder girls there) take me to the Hooker's Ball in San Francisco celebrated near Halloween 1978. Here is a blog by one of the producers of the show. It coincides with the atmosphere in San Francisco at the time that you refer to. I don't remember all of the details he mentions (how could I have missed George Carlin?!!) but I do recall the outfits and how they bothered people. I will always associate that night with the Nick Gilder song, Hot Child in the City that hit number 1 in the states that week. which my girlfriend was singing as she bounced from the car to the venue. Given that context, your observations seem very accurate. rollerderbyjesus.com/tag/hookers-ball/

Richard
12/7/2015 12:56:28 am

Thanks Prescott for the link, I believe it is important to get a feel of the climate of the 60's and 70's, particularly in San Francisco where he spent much of his time. It is the one place we know for sure he visited countless times on account of his mailings or quite possibly lived there. The above theory I thought was worth examining because if I could get my hands on the San Francisco Chronicle or Examiner editions from likely late 1960's, at least there maybe some names that might trigger some recognition. It is a long shot, but grasping at straws is about as much hope as we can expect after 47 years. My only problem is getting the information. If I lived in San Francisco the microfiche would be readily accessible. Cheers Prescott, fill me in with any additional useful links.

PierceAero
12/7/2015 02:21:45 pm

I am trying to think of which of my friends that are still in the San Francisco area, might have the research skills to find this. My Father's youngest sister works in the Library of Congress, deciding which is fiction, and nonfiction. (Oh the irony) Maybe I can get her to help.

Richard
12/7/2015 02:26:41 pm

Anything you can do would be greatly appreciated Prescott. It is a million to one shot any names would jump out of the page and even if they did, it still doesn't mean its the Zodiac Killer. But if Arthur Leigh Allen or another high profile suspect popped up it would be interesting nonetheless.

Robin Smith
12/7/2015 04:58:45 pm

Hi Richard:)

I just finished watching the movie 'Bullit' with Steve McQueen. maybe better than "Dirty Harry" for the Way It Was in SF ...street shots are totally awesome

Robin


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