JOHN KELLY, CRIMINAL PROFILER ON YOUTUBE

2/23/2019

John Kelly, criminal profiler

John Kelly, with numerous television and mass media appearances under his belt, is a renowned criminal profiler and forensic examiner whose extensive knowledge has been utilized by law enforcement in over 100 cases. The founder of S.T.A.L.K. Inc. (System To Apprehend Lethal Killers), he has recently initiated a Youtube channel entitled 'John Kelly Profiler', examining cases such as Jack the Ripper, the Golden State Killer, the Long Island Serial Killer and the Delphi Murders, to name but a few. In 2012 he teamed up with M. William Phelps, a crime author and researcher, for three seasons of the popular Discovery Network 'Dark Minds' series, delving into the sinister world of the serial killer with criminal profiling at its core.

As of writing, John has currently amassed 40 videos dating back to May 5th 2018 and is keen to add more subscribers to his burgeoning channel. It is extremely important to support independent media, so please visit 'John Kelly Profiler' on Youtube and click the subscribe button. You can also click the notification bell to be alerted when any new videos are published.

After many viewer requests, a 55 minute episode of the Zodiac Killer is now available, but be sure to check out the rest of John Kelly's informative Youtube channel.

Richard

2/23/2019 05:24:57 am

Any comments not pertaining to this topic or the Youtube channel will not be published. As for future developments, when I have organized a few more things, the website will make a shift towards video presentations, fortunately without my ugly mug on them. They will be visually presented using my computer screen, a microphone and Google maps, along with my mouse cursor to venture in and around the crime scenes, and using photographs to better represent and articulate the many possibilities we have discussed through the years. Just need a decent microphone first - then we'll get going in the next month or so. Thanks for all the kind comments recently -hope we can now try something different in presenting the Zodiac case.

Rubislaw 32 link

2/24/2019 10:24:38 am

I do like John Kelly's style and perceived substance,Richard,and very much looking forward,to his assessment of the Zodiac.

The Zodiac that I know,once said :

'' 70% of the world are turkeys....and of the rest,most are lacking in imagination.''.

One wonders,in what sections,he would categorise.''The Voice of Reasonable Insanity'',and ''My Name is Mine Fury'' [?].

I have just demonstrated that the ''Greetings from Ireland'' card is a hoax,beyond reasonable doubt.

Refer : zodiackillermystery.freeforums.net thread : Look What I Found.

The start of the witch hunt to expose the true identity of ''Balloon Captain 66'',starts.

These hoaxers and ''hat changers'' should be driven from the hallowed fields of social discourse and civilised engagement,that is ''The Zodiac Community''.

Whatever would John Kelly,have to say [?].

Richard

2/24/2019 11:40:22 am

I liked the Dark Minds series because it delved beyond the murders in an attempt to narrow the field of view, which is what I believe should be done in the Zodiac case. The ocean of suspects increasing every year, without a DNA fingerprint forthcoming, can never provide enough evidence to convince everybody else, one has the correct suspect. That is why nobody can agree on any particular suspect. The odds are heavily stacked against any of the well known suspects being Zodiac, and I cannot get excited about any of them. That is why I say like a broken record that geographical profiling and analyzing the behaviour of Zodiac after the crimes is paramount - particularly the 40 minutes after the BRS attack. This to me is where the answer lies, particularly with his lax comments in the August 4th letter. I am looking forward to the profile of the Zodiac Killer to see if it lines up with what I have always believed. It certainly won't be an easy job because of the extensive communications that were mailed in addition to the crimes themselves. We know the Zodiac's primary focus was securing attention and notoriety, and the murders/attacks themselves were just the necessary conduit to be taken seriously. Once the Zodiac had everyone's attention, then he simply rode the wave of fear he had accomplished. I don't know how far the profile will extend, but one question I am still not convinced about, is whether the Zodiac Killer was married or had any children. If we believe the Kathleen Johns story, he may very well have been married with two children. If not, then it's up in the air again. Dennis Rader was certainly capable of committing numerous murders, type letters, make phone calls and hide souvenirs from his victims in a secret 'bunker', right under the nose of his wife and children, so it's certainly possible Zodiac could have done this also. The crucial difference, is if Zodiac wrote in his own handwriting using key descriptors, then why did his wife not suspect anything when viewing the published letters (assuming she wasn't party to the crimes).
But certainly, Zodiac's attacks were secondary to his taunting letters and the attention they garnered certainly outweighed his crimes. That is not meant to sound insensitive, but the truth is, that without the correspondence mailed in this case, the Zodiac Killer would hardly have made a ripple without them, compared to the Ted Bundy's and Gary Ridgeway's of this world. The correspondence is what has captivated the worldwide attention. It seemed the Zodiac knew the importance of selling a 'brand'. I am looking forward to the video by John Kelly, because I like the idea of forensic and geographical profiling, using a person's habits against them. Buffer zones, the least effort principle, comfort zones and distance decay are valuable tools in narrowing down the search for a suspect - they are not an exact science like profiling, but are a valuable ancillary resource to aid an investigation where the ocean needs draining to a pool.

Tom1

2/24/2019 06:19:35 pm

Instead of the letter writer’s identity being revealed in one of the ciphers he is indicating that he can be discovered by profiling. In other words the study of his behaviour will reveal his identity. “My name is-Connect the Dots. I stole that from Randall Clemons.

Scott

2/27/2019 03:44:47 pm

I have significant skepticism about profiling of serial killers for a couple of reasons. First, the origins of psychopathy that underlies all such killers are almost universally acknowledged to be a mystery by most experts in mental illness. Second, profilers are often plain wrong (as they were with Radar himself).

What I do believe is that any such killer lays out, albeit in a cryptic fashion, the story of his own existence via his crimes. Curious to see if Kelly uses that principle at all in his upcoming profile.

Tom1

2/28/2019 06:58:51 am

You nailed it with your comments. At times, profiling seems to be an academic exercise. Kind of like Monday morning quarterbacking. I am sure however that it may have some value to LE when investigating a case. I think Mr Z laid out clews to his identity by his taunting behaviour, not so much in the ciphers themselves. "I am hiding in plain site", "catch me if you can". It will be interesting to see what Kelly comes up with 50 years down the road. Toschi and Armstrong connected with thousands of suspects, one of those had to be involved in this case.

Rubislaw 32 link

2/27/2019 07:27:54 pm

John Kelly :

'' I have to tell you that everyone is innocent,until proven guilty in a court of law......but today,I'm going to focus on a pure scumbag....I really get angry at these guys.''

Priceless stuff...and about time,someone exercised a bit of ''proactive'' philosophy [?],with those that flaunt with the law.

It will be interesting to hear about the Zodiac's extent of ''purity'',for there is surely little doubt about his ''scumbag'' tag [?].

Richard

2/28/2019 08:45:49 am

I think offender profiling, like geographical profiling is a valuable tool to assist an investigation. It is not always correct, as we have seen with other cases, but it can certainly direct the focus of an investigation in order to narrow down the suspect pool. With little progress in the Zodiac case in 50 years, constantly widening the field of view just takes us further from a resolution. Sometimes we have to use percentages to close the distance to the killer. The Zodiac case has reached a point in 2018 where nothing can be stated as fact anymore, without much less likely alternatives being presented to effectively get us nowhere. Case in point being the Stine shirt piece mailed with the October 13th letter. Most observers believe this links the letter writer to the murder. Although not 100% certain, it is almost without doubt the case. Enter the people who want to opt for the unlikely scenario of a policeman, reporter, medical personnel or mortician stealing the shirt piece and mailing it to the Chronicle with disguised Zodiac handwriting, even though at this point the real Zodiac Killer had supposedly never murdered anyone in San Francisco, and had only murdered couples. Despite this crime being the most unlikely candidate for a hoaxer to choose, according to some, the person or persons chose to add a Zodiac crime that was nothing like a Zodiac crime. This alternative thinking is often done, but gets us no nearer to the answer or identity of the killer. Likewise, did the killer after Blue Rock Springs go home, ditch his gun, change his clothes and return to the payphone, or did he run naked around Lake Herman wailing at the moon, eat a burger and fries at Mr Ed's, go for a game of ten-pin bowling, drive around the block aimlessly or climb a tree and swing from the branches. These are not impossible alternatives, but sometimes we just have to play the percentages to narrow our field of view and dismiss all but the most likely answer as our starting point. The art of creating an alternative, but unreasonable alternative to a Zodiac question is getting us nowhere and has become a Zodiac pastime. Anything that can aid us, using the traits of humankind I welcome. Close the field, not open it up. Whatever one says about offender profiling techniques not being reliable, which I take on board, it is far more useful, as is geographical profiling, than adding another 300 suspects to the Zodiac pool every year. To me, the key after 50 years, is playing the percentages, rather than attempting to discredit things like the letter writer and shirt piece on October 13th 1969, not being the killer, which of course is possible but not very likely. I am looking forward to the John Kelly profile, despite it not being scientific fact.

Tom1

2/28/2019 02:34:54 pm

Well stated , Richard. Plausible deniability is a tactic used by defense attorneys in a criminal case. Draw up a scenario out of thin air and present it to the jury. It has worked to get many criminal defendants, who perpetrated a crime, off the hook scott free. Human nature seems to lead many folks to fall for bizarre conspiracy theories rather than a factual explanation.

Scott

2/28/2019 04:47:28 pm

Richard--in America for many decades the children's magazine "Highlands" contained drawings of nominally innocent tableaus (kids playing on a hillside for instance) with embedded and obscured bits that were manifestations of the same object and then challenged the reader to find them within the chaos, e.g., "can you spot all the suitcases in this drawing?" It seems to me the Zodiac case is the seminal example of this principle in real life. The issue is not a lack of information but collecting the information suitable for a solution and eliminating the remainder; essentially, where exactly should we look? I believe the issue is one of perception on a supremely fundamental, philosophical way: the case challenges the human brain to observe and process information at the highest level, a process which includes discarding information or theories that are dead ends and obscuring devices (the letters, the ciphers, etc). So far, that has proven too big a challenge.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/2/2019 06:03:58 am

Thanks for posting the discussion of the Zodiac,by these three gentlemen of experience in aspects of criminality.

What,for me,that shone though,was their agreement on the Zodiac's extent of narcissism.He believed in himself,and cared about his self-survival.

But we are dealing with a ''cracked'' personality,and retaining thoughts of narcissism,it tends to lead one,into believing that the Zodiac saw himself,as a ''victim'' of life.

Perhaps,something happened to this person [Zodiac],that upset a possible balanced view,of life [?].

When Wyatt Earp asked Doc Holiday's opinion,about what was wrong with Johnny Ringo....Holiday replied,simply : ''Being born''.

I don't think that it happened ''that'' early on,for the Zodiac..but,possibly at puberty,or approaching adulthood,one feels that ''something'' personally devastating,disturbed his equilibrium.

From then on,the Zodiac felt handicapped,in some way,with a need to channel his frustrations out on others,a remedial,albeit temporary,therapy.

Judith

3/2/2019 10:47:01 am

So here goes from my perspective. My suspect is Peter S Plante. This is going to be very subjective. I listened to the profiling video and at first thought they were a little bit daf. They did indicate he was a white male and in his twenties actually. They said he was visual, as we all are. But then as I listened, it would be Frank who hit upon the most salient responses. In comparison to having lived with Peter for 20 years let me tell you from my perspective what they got right and what they didn't quite get yet.
They said that he had a jealous rage that he seemed to be angry with women. They did not mention a potential relationship with a mother who sexually abused little boys, nor did they mention parents who fought nightly and demanded he takes sides as a child. They did not mention the alcoholic father who did not protect him from his mother. They did say that he had problems creating relationships with girls. They did not mention that he also had homosexual relationships as well as female relationships. In a time where it was forbidden to be gay.
They said he was narcissistic. But that is such an understatement. Let's go several steps up the scale, he was a psychopath and he was schizophrenic. Narcissism would be his neutral. They said he had above average intelligence. Peter Plante was one of the most intelligent people I've ever known. Our children tested out with very high IQs. Two of our children have also been diagnosed as schizophrenic.
They said he was a loner. This is true. He was an only child who did not marry until he was nearly 30 years of age, never living with a woman, living alone in a little house. Because of the energy he gave off and his bizarre affect, he did not have a lot of females in his life. There are probably 3 or 4 long-term girlfriends myself being the wife as one of them. One of them broke up with him because he shot at her head during a conversation and the bullet landed in the wall behind her.
Frank said he was a deer hunter. Brilliant. Spot on. Peter was hunting large game up in the woods of Shasta from the time he was a young teenager, eventually conducting Hunting Expeditions with his best friend and his father who owned the Salt Creek Lodge. Peter used to say, "I don't kill animals anymore."
They said that he would find a woman and marry, and that would slow him down for a while. That would be me. He married me in 1978. They said eventually the urge to kill would return and it did. Based on the experiences my young daughter relayed regarding her father murdering men during the 1990s.
They said he was recognized at the Presidio so it's scared him and he simply went underground with his behavior. That is true. Peter hated the police but he was also very afraid of being incarcerated. He was a desperate alcoholic and they are not serving cocktails down at the jail.
They said he was familiar with the locations where the murders occurred. That he scouted them out ahead of time. That they were places he frequented. I can tell you that he took me to the scene of the Lake Berryessa killing over and over during the years. That he spent a lot of time at Lake Berryessa with friends whose parents had a boat up at Sugarloaf. I wonder if these locations were places that he had taken girls before? Like he took me over and over to Berryessa.
They said he had knowledge of police techniques. Peter majored in criminal justice at San Jose State for one year.
They said he had knowledge of weapons, ammunition, bomb-making. yes and very much so for Peter.
Looks like two Suits came to see me a couple of weeks ago but I missed them. I hope they return.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/2/2019 03:38:36 pm

Fascinating what you have to say about Peter,Judith,and clearly see links,in what the three men had to say about the Zodiac.

And,at the very least,from what you convey,Peter obviously empathised with the Zodiac.

I would just like to add that,these references to Halloween and Christmas,made by the Zodiac...do seem to indicate that there was some happiness in the Zodiac's past.

That,perhaps,there were times of joy,and the gathering of a family or friends,that made up,to an extent,for the bad times.

Judith

3/2/2019 04:55:39 pm

Yes there were Good Times. Awesome parties. Friends from his school days still. Many happy family gatherings that would inevitably turn into drunkeness. Best of intentions and all. It was hard to keep the insanity contained.
There were many people who loved him very much. But they could go home and I couldn't. The niceness would only last so long before the other personality made an appearance. He was very funny and the life of every party, a passionate host. Played awesome music all night long as loud as he could. He was the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/2/2019 11:56:46 pm

Strange how they changed '' Manic Depression '',to ''Bipolar Condition'' [?].

From an Edvard Munch character to ''fluffy'' white parts of the globe.

''Political Correctness'' can be so silly [?].

''Manic Depression'' can tell you so much more....not least,a good Jimi Hendrix song.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/3/2019 04:24:54 am

If anyone is interested :

The murder re-investigation case that spearheads ''Operation Bynum'',is to be featured in a BBC Panorama special,airing to-morrow evening,at 20:30 G.M.T.,in the U.K.

Outside the U.K.,its availability will be,by free subscription,to the ''BBC iplayer'' internet facility.

Called ''Disclosure - Who killed Emma ?'',the program will focus,largely on exposing serious flaws in the original murder investigation of Glasgow prostitute,Emma Caldwell,in April 2005.

The Crown Office,in Edinburgh,and Police Scotland,were unavailable for comments,on account of ''Operation Bynum'' being a live and ongoing murder enquiry.

The ''enquiry'',now 4 years....and counting.But,at least TV investigative journalism is catching up,and prepared to put the Prosecution Service,in Scotland,to the sword.

Tom1

3/3/2019 06:21:18 am

Millions of people on planet earth have a dark side. I am patiently waiting for someone to place their favorite POI at the scene of one of Mr Z’s crimes. Not only that, he probably had some category of relative.

Tom1

3/4/2019 06:06:00 am

One of the profilers hinted at this. The ciphers, the MO, and the crime scene locations are a cipher. The taunting behavior is also part of the puzzle. Randall Clemons made this point, “my name is connect the dots”. Who among us was was most likely to behave in this manner? Profiling might be able to narrow the field, but why has no one come up with a POI that can be placed in the vicinity of a crime scene, other than Mr. X?

Richard

3/4/2019 07:01:10 am

If people's suspects are not the Zodiac Killer Tom, then its highly probable they will never be able the place their suspect in the area of each crime scene. The only suspect ever placed fairly close to any crime scene was Allen, just 10 minutes walking time to the Springs and Tuolumne payphone, and within a 6 mile radius of both Lake Herman Road and Blue Rock Springs. If I picked all males between 25-45, who lived in Vallejo in 1969, they would be more worthy suspects than most of the high profile suspects on nothing more than geographical location. Don't forget Tom, Ross Sullivan cannot be placed within 75 miles of any of the crimes, but that doesn't stop people. You are correct though, in that they are only persons of interest, in that only one person really has to name them. 50 years on, nobody could realistically place a POI at or near a crime scene, without fingerprints or DNA. That is why I don't bother. We can place POI in the Bay Area, but that really isn't much use.

Judith

3/4/2019 07:39:25 pm

And yet I have described to you as I have in my book that Peter Plant took me to the scene of the murders at Lake Berryessa. He took me when we were first married and I was still a teenager. We prepared a picnic and we drove all the way up there. We carried everything from the vehicle down to the edge of the lake, ice chest and all. He had me settle down on a blanket and then he left and walked around the cove. All of a sudden he returned in a panic. He said we have to get the hell out of here. We quickly gathered everything up in a panic and ran back to the car. We drove back to the Bay Area with a loaded handgun on the console of the car. We would return to that location over and over. Once I asked him about the Zodiac Killer. "Where did he kill those kids?" I asked Peter. He pointed to the island in the water. He said "It was right there". I said , "But there's water." He said, "It was all dried up that day."
I would suggest that you read my book which I am pretty sure none of you gentleman who run these websites have done yet. We're getting very close now.

Richard

3/4/2019 11:15:13 pm

I have Judith (thanks again), however, I took the question by Tom to relate to the time of the murders, rather than later.

Tom1

3/5/2019 03:46:54 pm

Some one out there must know who Mr. Z is or was. Their knowledge runs much deeper than having the dark side of an acquaintance or a close relative revealed to them. More on this tomorrow.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/5/2019 12:37:59 am

I have your book,Judith,and pulled it out,recently,to read a second time.

I have yet to get around to it,on account of other Zodiac matters...but will do shortly.

I think that I will make better sense of it,this time,with more knowledge.

Thanks for the reminder.

[...at the moment,the book makes a good ''lap surface'' for writing,So,it is still valued,albeit in different ways....]

Rubislaw32

3/7/2019 05:20:24 am

My mistake Rubislaw, accidentally hit the delete button on your comment rather than approve. Copied it below.

If anyone [Richard [?] ] has seen any version of this Panorama special [...believe there to be a half hour,and hour version...]....on the Emma Caldwell murder....could they please post here [?].

It's beginning to look as if the BBC and Crown Office,are in some sort of altercation,over the program....and is yet to be available for viewing,through any media outlet....since its initial broadcast,in Scotland,exclusively.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/7/2019 05:39:56 am

Thanks for posting the comment,nonetheless,Richard.

Originally,the scheduling for the program,including ''anti-social'' hours,had this coming Saturday night [ Sunday 01.40 G.M.T. ].on BBC Two....as the last official broadcast...but then,available on the ''BBC iplayer''.

But ''No Shows'' so far.

I will see if the ''Saturday night'' broadcast materialises,then get back to the BBC....if they are inclined to reply.

I have already sent the BBC ''three'' e-mails,related to the case.

Well...I have messaged the Crown Office,enough,in the past...and they think they own ''exclusivity'' on the term ''Wise Men''.

Time to contact a politician,again.

Rubislaw 32 link

3/7/2019 08:17:32 am

Yes...if anyone caught the original transmission,of ''Who killed Emma ?''....or claims that they have seen versions of the Panorama program...it would be most appreciated,if you would post.

Margaret Caldwell,Emma's mother,is presumed to be ''in bed'' with Glasgow based newspaper,''The Daily Record''.....who are also paying for the legal bills of celebrity human rights lawyer,Aamer Anwar,to represent her.

So,anything that Margaret Caldwell might have had,to say,in the program,would be of interest.

Thanks.

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