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RICHARD GRINELL, COVENTRY, ENGLAND
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EDWARD C. ADAMS "YOU ARE NEXT"

1/2/2019

 
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A pasted card mimicking the '13 Hole' postcard was mailed to the home address of Dr. Edward C. Adams at 102 Camino Don Miguel, Orinda, California, postmarked October 17th 1970 from Berkeley. Edward C. Adams was a psychiatrist. The card read "Mon Oct 12, 1970. Edward Adams. The Zodiac is going to change the way of committing murders. I shall announce when I shall commit my murders, The Adamses are Next. you taught me to mean it. ADAMS YOU ARE NEXT. Zodiac".

Fast forward to July 8th 1974, when another suspected Zodiac correspondence was mailed to Marc Henry Spinelli of the San Francisco Chronicle. He was better known as Count Marco, running an advice column in the paper for 15 years. The only time Zodiac addressed the columnist was in respect to a topic on psychiatrists and psychologists, which featured only five days prior to the July 8th 1974 'Red Phantom' letter. The column, dated July 3rd 1974, began with "When I wrote that psychiatrists and psychologists ruined more marriages than they saved, I wasn't surprised by the angry reaction. I had contended that shrinks look at ordinary marriage problems as "cases," to be dissected, rearranged and deranged, leaving the "patient" totally disoriented. What would happen if a physician examined a patient and said, "You have such and such a disease. Now do something about it," without prescribing treatment. Mother Nature is like an oyster. She heals emotional wounds through passage of time. An oyster finds a grain of sand has forced its way into the shell. As time goes on its mucous continually covers the irritant until eventually what was a sore spot becomes a magnificent pearl. However, if one instead took a sharp instrument and sliced the pearl in half, the only result would be to expose the original grain of sand, the irritant. According to a report in The Chronicle, behavioral researchers have shown unmistakably that psychiatry is a very imprecise tool in diagnosing mental illness".
    
This clearly prompted a response from the author of the 'Red Phantom' letter, who wrote "Editor - Put Marco back in the hell-hole from whence it came - he has a serious psychological disorder - always needs to feel superior. I suggest you refer him to a shrink. Meanwhile, cancel the Count Marco column. Since the Count can write anonymously, so can I - the Red Phantom (red with rage)". Many people have attempted to analyze the Zodiac Killer from a psychological perspective, so is it possible the Zodiac Killer used his knowledge of this subject to play a game with his 'audience', throwing them red herrings throughout his communications? Directing the audience down a path he chose for them.

​"Edward C. Adams 
spent most of his life in the Bay Area where he attended the University of California Berkeley for his undergraduate work and Stanford University for his medical degree. His residency in psychiatry was received at the Menninger Clinic, Topeka, KS. During the Korean War he was an instructor in the Medical Field Service at Fort Sam Houston, San Antonio, TX. After retiring from an active practice in Psychiatry he devoted his energies to travel, fly fishing, the study of poetry and the enjoyment of his family and many friends. During the time spent at his Carmel home he volunteered as a docent at the Robinson Jeffers Foundation. He was a member of the San Francisco Psychoanalytic Society and an active supporter of many environmental groups".  SFGATE.COM.

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One of the addresses for Marc H. Spinelli was 747 Geary Street, San Francisco, the location often associated with where taxicab driver Paul Stine picked up the Zodiac Killer on October 11th 1969. He would be murdered a short time later at the intersection of Washington and Cherry Streets. How well the Zodiac Killer knew this area is subjective, but he may have chosen this area because he was familiar with the surroundings - crucial when planning an escape route from a murder. Had the Zodiac Killer worked or trained, somewhere in or close to Presidio Heights.  

In the FBI document on the right, it is clear that Inspector David Toschi of homicide detail believed the 'You Are Next' card may have been mailed to Edward C. Adams by a former patient of his. However, if the card was mailed by the Zodiac Killer, what connections could he have to Edward C. Adams, his profession, or Orinda, California? 

The crucial phrase in the card is "you taught me to mean it". You don't teach patients, you diagnose them. What if the Zodiac Killer trained as a psychologist, or went to one of Edward C. Adams' seminars or lectures? He could easily have picked up some useful 'psychological advice', used to convince his audience in the guise of the Zodiac Killer - conveying his threats with menace and meaning. In other words, Edward C. Adams "taught him to mean it" under the Zodiac umbrella.

Dr. Edward C. Adams was a member of the San Francisco Psychoanalytic Institute & Society. "The San Francisco Center for Psychoanalysis was organized in 2007, combining the San Francisco Psychoanalytic Institute & Society, founded in 1941, with the San Francisco Foundation for Psychoanalysis, founded in 1991. The Center provides an extensive training program in psychoanalysis. The Center also sponsors a large, vibrant Extension Division which offers classes and seminars to mental health professionals as well as to the general public." link.​ Was the Zodiac Killer sitting in the audience taking a lesson from Edward C. Adams in how "to mean it"? The San Francisco Psychoanalytic Society and Institute is a facility for psychoanalytic research, training, and education located on 2420 Sutter St. in San Francisco, California. It is situated in Lower Pacific Heights, approximately one mile from the intersection of Washington and Cherry.

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Rubislaw 32 link
1/2/2019 11:44:47 am

Through ''local'' knowledge,and his wife,Yvonne's close friendship with William Grant's wife,Marian,it is Lyndon Lafferty's claim that Dr.Edward Adams,had white supremacist leanings,and was personal psychiatrist to William Grant,and latterly,Marian Grant,when she succumbed to a nervous breakdown,in late 1973.

Perhaps we might compare ''Adams you are next'',from the October 1970 card featured in this topic,with the personal ad,placed in the SF Chronicle,in August 1976 : ''Zodiac your partner is in Deep Real Estate.Your'e next....''.

The implication that the card,is Zodiac pretending to be Grant,as Zodiac,threatening Adams.

The implication that the ad,is Zodiac pretending to be Adams,as Adams,threatening ''Zodiac'',whom Zodiac wants to be perceived,as Grant.

Yes,''Very Shakespearean'',but I think that we get the point that,the ''scribe'',in both cases,is ''Real Zodiac'',wanting to put William Grant,in as much trouble,with the Law,as he possibly can [?].

What I really wanted to mention,Richard,was more a general one,about the ''cut n' paste'' phenomenon,of a probable Zodiac.

With the ''Adams'' card,we are looking at the pasting of ''You are next....Zodiac'' as constructed with,at least,unusual font.

It appears that ''Zodiac'' took to the phenomenon of ''cut n' paste'',with the two ''Day-by-Day'' forecast cards,of December 10th and 11th 1969 [ Cancer and Leo ].

Through research,I have established that they are constructed,from ''cut outs'' belonging to the same magazine,which would have been a November 1969 edition.

Perhaps,the Zodiac had a ''box of tricks'',including stationary items,stamp collector's tools,and model maker's accessories [?].A box of tricks,to put these ''cut n' paste'' cards together [?].

If ''that'' November 1969 magazine can be identified...it is always possible,that the Zodiac held on to magazine cuttings,with interesting fonts....and,that ''one'' magazine,may shed further light,on the authenticity,of further cards,such as the ''Adams'' card,and its ''You are next''.unusual fonts [?].

Richard
1/2/2019 12:17:10 pm

We know the source for parts of the October 5th and October 12th communications as detailed on Zodiac Killer Site forum, but the Leo and Cancer correspondences could have been a pornographic magazine as you previously suggested. ''Zodiac your partner is in Deep Real Estate.Your'e next....'' I shall take a look at Rubislaw. The ending has a familiar ring to it after all. While your doing a bit of sleuthing, the FBI files [5] I believe may have tested an individuals handwriting in October of 1969, a week or so after the Stine shooting. The file had Houston, Texas on it. Here is the writing. It was submitted on two sheets of paper and a slip of paper bearing the known handwriting and hand printing of (redacted).

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/texas_orig.png

El Aserradero (meaning The Sawmill) is a log flume located in the Spain section at Six Flags Over Texas in Arlington, Texas, since 1963. 'El Aserradero' was the first ever log flume attraction in the world and the fourth oldest ride currently operating at the park, built by Arrow Development, which later became Arrow Dynamics. The log flume replaced the 'Burro Ride', which operated from 1961 to 1962. From 1963 to 1968, El Aserradero only operated one flume. Then in 1968, due to the ride's popularity, Six Flags added a second flume to next to the original doubling the capacity of the attraction. The park billed the ride as "the most popular and exciting ride ever devised."

Casa Magnetica is one of the oldest remaining attractions in the park. It is known as the "crooked house" by many guests. It first opened in 1962, for the park's second season. At one point in the 1980's it was rethemed as a different attraction. It was, however, soon returned to the "Crooked House".

The principal of the house is simple, being built at an extreme angle creates an optical illusion that items are rolling uphill. The entire attraction is built around this one simple illusion.

This is a walking tour in which a host or hostess guides the guest through the house, explaining its history and demonstrating its anti-gravity effects.

Who is the person of interest from Texas, and why?

Richard
1/2/2019 12:21:54 pm

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=1862

I'll place the 'Zodiac, your partner is in deep real estate' link here for easy reference.

Richard
1/2/2019 12:26:30 pm

And before any smart arse chimes in - no, it's not Ted Cruz.

Richard
1/2/2019 12:35:52 pm

Better link with actual ad:
http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1756&hilit=Sam+Bowers

Rubislaw 32 link
1/2/2019 04:48:08 pm

Thanks for the feedback,and pointers,Richard.

Most interesting about the Houston/El Aserradero/Casa Magnetico references.

Of course I stayed longer,with the FBI files,as I always do.Always something new to be noticed.

July 1975,the FBI were talking about a guy from Cordelia Rd,.Fairfield,with ''Sexual Hangups'',and a past,including cryptography.

Whoever could they mean ? Even though they were supposed to never mention his name,again,after 1972,on account of him winning an injunction against LE,for proven harassment.

In addition,I was amazed,how much the FBI appeared to be ''all over'' the Bates case,albeit ''behind a desk'',from 1974 - 1981.

Certain discussions,at a certain website,involve a man named Robert Housen,who had been a colleague of Joseph Bates,and had spent some time,working at Mare Island.

A sleuth called ''Jerry'' had clearly asked some questions of Dave Peterson,of the Vallejo Times Herald,who had replied with some information.

Well,forgive me for saying..but I would immediately be more interested,in the sleuth,called ''Jerry'',and why he was asking questions....than,the person in question,Robert Housen.

A certain ''Jerry'' comes to mind,as being pointed out,by ''A good citizen'',for example [?].

Perhaps my point is this : Did it ever occur to anyone that the Zodiac,may have actually slipped his name,into investigations,early [?].As someone,perhaps,who had had the finger pointed at him,but had a caste iron alibi...therefore,would not be suspected,again.

Little do the cops realising,perhaps,that he ,the Zodiac,had pointed the finger at himself...with ''that'' alibi being something that he had prepared,earlier.

Rubislaw 32 link
1/3/2019 01:58:30 am

Of course,of course...a ''crooked man'' reference,of a sort to the ''Day-by-Day'' forecasts...I'll look at them again....some days I am slow on the ''uptake''.

Yes,so we know there are ''Houston'',or further afield considerations,with the FBI,also,for these cards.And after all,there are probable inferences of travel and new horizons,within the cards,anyway.

So....if I have no luck,with soft porn magazines,I will turn my attention to ''In flight'' Airline magazines.''That'' could be a big irony [?].Though,even more ''specialist'',to track down,with the magazine collectors fraternity....but,not impossible.

The Zodiac,making regular flights from SF Airport,to ''Southern'',if not further afield destinations,and holding on to his ''In flight'' magazines....which of course,were free to travellers [?].

And,with the thought that 555 State Express cigarettes,were largely ''duty free'' travellers ones....indicates that the ''advertising space'' element,to the magazine,would tend to have the more ''international'' angle,to the brands [?].

Richard
1/3/2019 04:25:25 am

The snippet in Lafferty's book is very interesting, but we can take it further regarding the "real estate" advertisement. The psychiatrist he mentions, Richard H. Adler, worked at the Gladman Hospital in Oakland. Bearing in mind the initials R.A. Zodiac and "you're next" on the advertisement, this is a good tie in to the Edward C. Adams card stating Zodiac and "you are next". Both Adler and Edwards were psychiatrists, and may have crossed paths with each other. I understand Lafferty's train of thought in trying to pick apart the meaning behind the advertisement, but I always think it's a valuable thing to search for alternatives to the one argued. Interpret the advertisement in another way. In the same way as the four canonical crimes - strip them back to the basics and begin with the known facts only.

Dr. Edward C. Adams lived at 102 Camino Don Miguel, Orinda, California, only 6 miles by crow, from the Gladman Hospital where Alder worked.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Orinda,+CA,+USA/Gladman+Mental+Health+Rehab,+2633+E+27th+St,+Oakland,+CA+94601,+USA/@37.8314953,-122.1998063,12z/data=!4m24!4m23!1m15!1m1!1s0x80857cbd5dc823ff:0x89dac03702126789!2m2!1d-122.1796888!2d37.8771476!3m4!1m2!1d-122.2273858!2d37.8487632!3s0x80857d98c6cf85fb:0xa582297b7f011d41!3m4!1m2!1d-122.2100392!2d37.8273278!3s0x808f878530940c9f:0x306b00ef787f1981!1m5!1m1!1s0x808f86ff228fc6e5:0xe8f563efdab721fe!2m2!1d-122.2222828!2d37.7905912!3e0

I know you favour the Grant-Adams connection Rubislaw, but there could be alternatives lying in wait. I think Lafferty has presented some interesting connections here, however, there may be other avenues to explore. Can we tie Adler and Adams together in one place.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QbFEBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA152&lpg=PA152&dq=I%27ll+terminate+your+case+R+A&source=bl&ots=0MqqPFMSG9&sig=hfsgbSRfELJqN6GEzzOLshcBG3A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiS6LLKvdHfAhUPTxUIHcP6CoYQ6AEwAHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=I'll%20terminate%20your%20case%20R%20A&f=false

Richard
1/3/2019 04:39:04 am

See if you can find Adler's home address in 1976?

Richard
1/3/2019 04:42:16 am

Telecare was founded in 1965 by Art Gladman, a psychiatrist, Lida Hahn, a psychiatric nurse, and Morton Bakar, a businessman — three individuals who were committed to a belief in the rehabilitation potential of people with serious mental illness.

http://www.telecarecorp.com/history/

Rubislaw 32 link
1/3/2019 05:35:06 am

Excellent stuff,Richard....and I will have a look into this,in more detail,if possible.Thanks for the references.

It is,after all,the truth that we seek,whatever that happens to be.

So,''Richard H Adler'' could be ''R.A.''.

And,there was me thinking that,it could be ''Ra'',the Sun King.

Just so important,to distinguish between,what is ''actual'',and what is deliberately ''inferred''.

Rubislaw 32 link
1/3/2019 08:28:13 am

So,Richard,we could be looking at the following....as a personal ad,written,and paid for,by the ''Real Zodiac''.....and looking to cause embarrassment for ''all parties'',mentioned in the ad :

'' Zodiac [Grant] your partner [Marian] is in Deep Real Estate.Your'e [Grant] next.The Imperial Wizard [Adams] can save you [Grant].Surrender to him [Adams] or I [Adler] will terminate your case [Grant's wife Marian's course of treatment].Signed Richard Adler.''

Just got to figure out the true nature of the relationship,between Adams and Adler [?].Just professional [?]...or,a bit of the white supremacist element,for both.

And...assuming that the ''Real Zodiac'' has sussed that Grant has told his wife,Marian,the ''truth''....which,the ''Real Zodiac'' understands,has caused Marian,to seek psychiatric treatment.

What is the ''truth'' ?

I'm afraid I can't comment on that,at the moment [...on the basis,that I ''know''...].But I can say that,the ''truth'' is a secret that only Grant and the ''Real Zodiac'' shared.

With respect to ''Bay Area antics'',that is.

In essence,''Real Zodiac'' 's core and underlying motive,for his appalling behaviour.

Rubislaw 32 link
1/3/2019 08:37:32 am

....so,I wonder if it is possible that,although Adams was Grant's ''long term'' psychiatrist...that Adams recommended to Grant,that he send Marian to Adler,for treatment,when she had her nervous breakdown [?].

And,that Adams and Adler were professional associates,but also white supremacist ''buddies'' [?].

Richard
1/3/2019 09:09:42 am

But if William Grant had nothing to do with the Zodiac case, it puts us back to square one. It heavily relies on believing Lyndon Lafferty and his William Grant assertions - something I am not prepared to accept on his word. I like the Richard Adler (psychiatrist) possibility he mentions in the book, especially with the "you're next" phrasing, but it will take a lot more to convince me Grant was Zodiac, or even pretending to be Zodiac. Nevertheless, some interesting thoughts Rubislaw.

Shawn
1/3/2019 08:43:18 am

PUBLIC NOTICE:

The Iheart radio franchise is airing "Monster Zodiac Killer" every week for 15 episodes. The first episode kicked off lyesterday at 7:00 pm eastern on Iheart radio stations.

The podcasts can be heard the next day. Which is today and can be found here. "Lover's Lane" and "In the Shadows"

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-monster-28735578/

Last night the show had Dean Ferrin, Michael Maguea, Ed Rust, Sandy Betts and Michael Butterfield among others.

Richard
1/3/2019 08:56:29 am

When I click the play button nothing happens.

Shawn
1/3/2019 09:05:26 am

Before I can play the podcasts a popup menu pops up requiring a login to listen. I login using my Facebook.

Richard
1/3/2019 09:13:08 am

No, absolutely nothing happens, no pop up menu or anything.

Richard
1/3/2019 11:50:38 am

Listened to both now.

Richard
1/3/2019 08:51:56 am

I don't buy Lafferty's reasoning - if William Grant revealed to his wife he was Zodiac, who then shared the information with her psychiatrist, Richard Adler - he would be breaching patient confidentiality by contacting Zodiac via an advertisement and in doing so put his client at risk. If Grant/Zodiac found out his wife had disclosed his identity to the psychiatrist, her life would be in peril, as would the psychiatrist's. While Lafferty has opened up some great lines of investigation, his reasoning appears backward. Even if Zodiac had read the advertisement, there is no way he could have known this was psychiatrist Richard Adler addressing him, if he was unaware his wife had disclosed to Adler that her husband was Zodiac. He, apparently, only pleaded with Grant/Zodiac to come and see him through his wife. This would be extremely risky for the wife, saying "by the way William I've just told Adler you're the Zodiac and he wants to see you". This makes no sense and he would be endangering his patient, and she would be endangering herself. Even if the R.A is Richard Adler (which we don't know for certain) there must be another meaning to the words on the advertisement. We cannot be sure the advertisement wasn't from Zodiac to Richard Adler or somebody else. The R.A may be a signature like Red Phantom or such like. However, with two psychiatrists, separated by 6 miles from the workplace of one, and home of another, along with the pseudo psychologist Count Marco, we at least have a few straws to clutch on to.

Richard
1/3/2019 10:01:36 am

I doubt the author of the advertisement has any connections to the Ku Klux Klan or any white supremacist group, because I would expect a devoted member of these types of groups, especially somebody intelligent like a psychiatrist who has had some form of education, to be able to spell IMPERIAL.The person who placed the ad (unless it was transcribed incorrectly) uses IMPARIAL.

Richard
1/3/2019 10:08:11 am

Could this be the guy in his seventies. 5255 Douglas Ln
Sebastopol CA 95472-2108.

https://www.whitepages.com/name/Richard-H-Adler/Sebastopol-CA/19i3wr6

Rubislaw 32 link
1/3/2019 01:29:47 pm

Thanks for giving the ''Deep Real Estate'' angle,an airing,Richard.

With possibly a re-visit,if extra information [?].

Lafferty's tendency would be,to fill in the gaps,on Grant's thinking,at times....and what he told Marian,is strictly speaking,still a mystery.

Yes,KKK was largely a ''Southern'' phenomenon,just as ''Black Power'',was largely a ''West Coast'' one.

Perhaps,if Zodiac was from Texas,and residing in California,he would have seen serious ironies,in both movements....and felt ''above'' both [?].

It seems that Zodiac would use any means,that might stir up trouble.

Just on ''Marian''.....by all accounts,a ''lovely lady'',and very popular.For some unknown reason,she fell for a ''prickly'',complex and unpopular man.

When she died,Grant only informed her friends,after he had scattered her ashes.Much to her friends' disappointment.

Perhaps Grant didn't want Marian making any ''death bed'' confessions,when she fell ill [?].

''Speculative''....naturally.

Tom1
1/3/2019 05:20:41 pm

I am stuck on who in the hell is Yvonne? I would have better luck reading a russian language newspaper than this article. I am lost.
Sorry, TM

Richard
1/4/2019 12:28:33 am

Yvonne was author Lyndon Lafferty's wife Tom.
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/lyndon-lafferty-obituary?pid=177989510

Rubislaw 32 link
1/4/2019 04:24:20 am

Sorry Tom....it really comes down to this :

Oct 12th 1970 : '' You are next ''

August 26th 1976 : '' You're next ''

Are we looking at the same ''Real Zodiac'',having composed these words ??

The rest is ''village stuff'' - but still of potentially vital importance.

Shawn
1/3/2019 05:44:46 pm

"Listened to both now."

Interesting to hear Dean's thoughts on what Darlene was up with all the guys. I guess Dean saves her from Crabtree and does his best to put a nice face on the awkward marriage.

Richard
1/4/2019 02:27:45 am

On a positive note, the production values are high, weaving broadcasts, interviews from original players and sound effects into one package. On the negative side, while interesting for newcomers to the Zodiac story, for people who have been immersed in Zodiac for years, there is nothing new. It is basically a retelling of everything we already know, just done with more accuracy. Of course, it's hard finding that middle ground, covering the essentials, while probing and exploring new ideas. Just to add: Quote: "Last summer, he discovered girls" Mrs Faraday reminisced "but he hadn't done much dating- for one thing he could use the car only when I didn't need it to go to work." She is employed in the passenger reservations department at Travis Air Force Base. She said that when he did take the car for a date "he was good about observing curfews" (12.30 on Friday nights). "So I didn't think a thing about it that night. I was asleep when the phone rang at 3 am."

Rubislaw 32 link
1/3/2019 06:33:13 pm

As perhaps,a postscript to the mystery of the ''Deep Real Estate'' ad,Richard...I note now,that Lafferty informs us,that Grant moved out of his Cordelia Road property,in August 1976.

The ad was placed,in the SF Chronicle,August 26th 1976 [?].

So,that could add weight to ''Real Zodiac'',having placed the ad,to warn Grant,that he was aware of Grant's ''new whereabouts''.

Rubislaw 32 link
1/3/2019 06:44:47 pm

....and to add,that,through Lafferty's book,we are informed that Grant was a ''without fail'' daily reader of the SF Chronicle.

More than likely,''Real Zodiac'' would have been aware of this,also.

Tom1
1/4/2019 07:18:34 am

Sorry for the mini rant. It is the comments I am struggling with more than the article itself. I will get over it and move on. My knowledge of this Lafferty angle is weak.

Rubislaw 32 link
1/4/2019 12:03:47 pm

I understand Tom 1.....it's just a historical aspect,to case investigations.

Lafferty,as a Vallejo cop,in retirement,believed that William Grant was The Zodiac....and spent the rest of his life,trying to prove it.

I,on the other hand,believe that William Grant,was a victim of The Zodiac's persecution.....setting Grant up,as The Zodiac,himself.

The SF Chronicle put me and Lafferty together,at one time.We got on fine....but it was never going to be ''long term'',since we were coming at Grant,from completely ''different directions''.

Richard
1/4/2019 09:43:58 am

"Zodiac Your partner is in deep real estate. You're next. The Imperial Wizard can save you. Surrender to him or I'll terminate your case."

Forgetting Grant, Edwards and Adler altogether. The above statement could have said wife rather than partner, without drastically changing anything, so it's possible the person publishing the ad knows the Zodiac is a union of two people, one of which has died by foul means (maybe even at the hand of the ad author). He then threatens "you're next". The author of the advertisement belongs to a white supremacist outfit who Zodiac belongs to (hence the white power symbol). The person is upset with the remaining Zodiac because his antics are risking exposure of the white supremacist group and doesn't want the law bearing down on them. He is unaware of Zodiac's current whereabouts, so places an ad saying "The Imperial Wizard can save you. Surrender to him" and if not he will terminate his case. Because Zodiac is under case investigation, it's a police way of saying "cease your activities or you will die like your partner. signed R.A
Just a wild stab in the dark Rubislaw, until I can think of something far better.

Rubislaw 32 link
1/4/2019 10:19:17 am

Absolutely Richard,your suggestions,for interpretation are perfectly valid.

As you know,I believe that ''the one and only'' Zodiac,was persecuting William Grant,by stealth...and,would simply not give up,in making Grant's life,a ''living hell''.

The ''police'' angle,that you put forward,is ''very interesting''.

''Strange'' how I happened to be going through the FBI files,and find that the FBI,were referring to Grant,as having ''Sexual Hangups''.

Sexual Hangups ? I had never seen LE phrase any reference to Grant,in that way,before.''Latent Homosexual''...yes....''Bisexual''.....yes.But ''Sexual Hangups'' [?].

How ''coincidental'',then,that ''Hangups'' is pasted on one of the ''Day-by-Day'' forecast cards.

So,Richard,you could be right about the police ''telegraphing'' a message,to the effect of ''cease your activities''.

But,maybe,the police still suspected Grant [?].

The ''Police'' were still clearly ''miffed'' that Grant had won a court injunction,against them,ever bothering him again.

Lori F
1/4/2019 03:28:53 pm

Thank you Shawn! I was trying to tune into these the night they aired but could not get anything. I assumed it was because I am in the Midwest but as you say they were likely just recording for future airing.

I am only 2 years into this and find both of these first episodes quite interesting with interviews from people I have not heard previously.

Thanks for the link!

Rubislaw 32 link
1/5/2019 12:16:19 am

Hi Richard

Just noticed,with the Day-by-Day forecasts,for November 1969 :

For Cancer :

Mon.Nov.3rd : ''...You may feel you have gotten....

And :

Sat.Nov.8th : ''....neighbor...''

'' gotten '' is a word,not normally employed in British English,and remains the domain of American English.

'' neighbor '' is the American English spelling for '' neighbour '',in British English.

The two examples above,tend to confirm that the magazine,employed to construct the Day-by-Day forecast ''cut 'n paste'' 's....was an American publication.

But,the possible employment of the ''555'' font,from the same magazine,suggests that the magazine might be aimed at an international market.....such as an airline related magazine,for example.

Rubislaw 32 link
1/5/2019 01:22:51 am

I note that Ms.Betts,is now informing everyone that ''her suspect'',is a cross-dresser.

Women's wigs,high heels....the ''whole nine yards''.

When the Zodiac informed us that he resorted to disguises,and inferred that he could look nothing like the wanted posters,it conjured up hair dyeing,different hairstyles and varying facial hair growth.

But ''Transvestism'' [?].The Zodiac as a ''woman'' [?].

A thought to cure a hangover,any day of the week.

Tom1
1/5/2019 07:16:13 am

It sobered me right up

Lori F
1/5/2019 08:11:40 am

Rubislaw and Tom, you both just made my day. :D

Rubislaw 32 link
1/5/2019 04:47:10 am

There must surely be a ''mad scramble'' at Mr.Voigt's site,to read the latest instalments of ''The Sandy Betts Story''.

Ten times more exciting,than any ''Monster Radio'' podcast.

The suspect of Ms.Betts apparently frequented a doughnut shop,where he would always place the same order :

A ''cherry'' filled doughnut and a ''maple'' bar.

He would come dressed as a woman....apart from one occasion,when he wore a grey suit,to attend a Rolling Stones concert.Ms.Betts surmised that this must have been,what he wore to Darlene's Painting Party.

Apparently he uses a ''husky woman's voice'',when as a woman...but speaks very little,as a man.

Ms.Betts is known to post,at a number of Zodiac sites,including ''ZKM'',where she has been ''sectioned'',to a place of her very own.

I can vouch,that she receives more visitors,than any other member.

Good on her.

Tom1
1/5/2019 06:42:44 am

Rubislaw, help an oulde newbie out. You have a good handle on this Grant, impersonator, tormenter scenario. Lafferty’s wife was good friends with Marion Grant. They probably shared many secrets. It seems reasonable that Grant figured out who his tormenter was, and probably relayed that info to his wife. There is a good chance that Marion shared this info with Yvonne. At some point Lafferty would have figured out who the imposter was whether the Zodiac or not. People have been taken for a ride downtown to headquarters for questioning, based on a lot flimsier info. Do I need to get a hold of Lafferty’s book.

Rubislaw 32 link
1/5/2019 10:39:38 am

Lafferty's book is a ''enigmatic tome'',Tom.

But definitely worth a read.

There are two aspects,that I believe,require ''caution''.Firstly,that because of legal reasons,many of the real life individuals have been given ''cover names''.So,one is forever trying to figure out,to whim Lafferty is referring.

And,if the Zodiac case wasn't complicated,and ''cryptic seeming'',itself [?].

Secondly,and mostly I might add,because Lafferty was such a generous and honest man,himself.....that he feels the need to explain Grant's thinking,at times....when Lafferty clearly couldn't possibly have known,definitively.

Lafferty so often resorts to Grant having ''multi-personalities'',which often doesn't really cut the mustard,on credulity.

But,it has to be said,this book represents being as close to the ''action'' of the case,as we are ever likely to get.A ''flavour'' of the times,perhaps.

As you intimate,Tom 1,and with one of a number of ironies....Lafferty's wife,Yvonne and Marian Grant,were close friends,and work colleagues.There were times,therefore,that Lafferty found himself forced to socialise with Grant,even though he was trying to expose Grant,as the Zodiac.At these times,Lafferty informs us,that he would ''pack a weapon'',just to be on the safe side [!].

When Marian succumbed to a nervous breakdown,following Grant disclosing ''information'' to her....Marian ''did'' confide in Yvonne.But only that Grant had made her promise not to divulge the nature of that information.The same went for Marian's psychiatrist [Adler [?]],which made his job,in treating Marian,that more difficult.

Poor Marian [?].Yvonne and Lafferty,were very fond of Marian...but there is only so far,that one is able to tread.

Grant was certainly an exceptionally selfish,and perhaps,controlling individual.If,as likely,''Zodiac'' was exercising ''persecution'' over Grant....then Grant did not see it as in his long term interests,to spill the beans,to the cops.

There must have been some officers,there were not convinced of Grant's ''guilt''....and yet,was holding something back,that might have brought the case,to a conclusion [?].

I certainly believe ''this'' to be,close to self-evident.

Rubislaw 32 link
1/5/2019 12:47:25 pm

Yes,and as Richard has referred,Lafferty's book,is available to read,free,and online.

My relationship with Lafferty,extended to about a dozen e-mails,and one phone conversation.

We never really got down,''that gritty''.If I started to press him,on specifics,he would tend to,in true diplomatic style,start talking about his ''hobby'' - the case of ''Jack the Ripper''.

Kevin Fagan would,on occasion,enquire how things were going.I have come to the conclusion that all employed journalists,are answerable to their Editors.No matter how much they wish to give the impression of an ''independent spirit''.

I believe that I know,and understand the nature of Grant's information to Marian,and am aware that the authorities understand it,and its ramifications.

In time,it will become public.I have reminded ''the judiciary'' that I will disclose this,if they don't ''hurry up'',

Perhaps that makes me an extortionist [?].

''Only'' if I am arrogant enough to be sure that what I discovered,shortly after Grant's death,in 2012....is correct.

For now,the wait for the judiciary ''to deliver'',continues.

tom1
1/5/2019 01:40:21 pm

I am going to brush up on the basics of this before I waste everybody's time with anymore "dumb" questions. Also, I am working on California murder stats for the period of MR Z's activity. The number of murders, the murder rate, and the rate of unsolved murders increased dramatically in this period. In 1965 over 90% of the murders were solved. soon after that the rate dropped to under 50%. So with that Happy New Year everybody. I will continue with my miserable version of trivial pursuit just to add to the confusion.

Tom1
1/5/2019 01:44:07 pm

By judiciary, are you referring to the criminal justice,and legal system as a whole and not just those appointed to the bench?

Rubislaw 32 link
1/5/2019 03:45:02 pm

I tend to imagine these institutions,in terms of public budget allocations,Tom.

But more specifically,I mean the ''prosecution services'',which includes criminologists,as well as prosecutors,and allocations for public defenders,also.

In addition,they tend to have their own ''in house'' cold case units,that second extra help from the police,if necessary.and usually,on a handpicked basis.

Also,small brigades of librarians and file experts.It's still,largely,a ''paper driven'' ''business''.

I tend to slip into general terms,since I don't want to be to specific,at this stage,of what,at least,is supposed to be taking place,in terms of progress on matters,related to the Zodiac case.

As a prediction,it will probably ''not'' happen at once.There may be,the ''hurdle'' of convicting someone,for one murder,first,for example.

Sorry I can't be more specific.I,like a few others,have been marginalised,on information...for entirely deliberate purposes.

I just pick up,what I can,and keep my eyes peeled.

I believe that it is all about ''the wait'',now......and all this talk about ''no DNA'' and ''no DNA match''.....is nonsense.

Tom1
1/5/2019 06:13:09 pm

You have nailed it,
Thanks again TM

Rubislaw 32 link
1/6/2019 03:54:52 am

Funnily enough,Tom 1,your question was ''most appropriate''.

The ''man'' behind this all,is officially,serving as a High Court Judge,and being paid,a High Court Judge's wages.

I know different,and what's more,he knows that I know different.

In ''him'',we trust.


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