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DONALD LEE BUJOK-ZODIAC SUSPECT

1/19/2012

 
Kevin Robert Brooks has done extensive research into the Zodiac case and firmly believes he has identified the notorious serial killer as Donald Lee Bujok, with numerous interesting 'coincidences' between Bujok's life and the Zodiac letters. But here we will concentrate on his findings regarding the Halloween card, mailed on October 27th 1970 to Paul Avery, a reporter at the San Francisco Chronicle.

Firstly, Donald Lee Bujok had a military background, serving with the Sixth Infantry Division for approximately eight months in 1954. The 6th Infantry Division of the United States Army was active in World War I, World War II, and the last years of the Cold War. Known as "Red Star" - and formerly called the Sight Seein' Sixth - the 6th Division was reactivated on the 4th October 1950 at Fort Ord, California. There the division remained throughout the Korean War, training troops and providing personnel for combat, but was never deployed overseas as an entity itself and was again inactivated on the 3rd April 1956.
While stationed there, Bujok would have come across the California Veterans Association symbol which looks very similar to the symbol the Zodiac placed on the upper left of the envelope and at the foot of the card once opened (seen here below left).
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Kevin Brooks draws your attention to the symbol at the bottom of the Halloween card , believing the lined section with four dots to stand for ZV4F, decoded to: Zodiac is a veteran with 4F, regarding the medical grounds to which Donald Lee Bujok was released from the army. The medical release records indicated issues of mental health, to which Bujok suffered throughout his life. Classifications are detailed in Wikipedia: "Registrant not acceptable for military service. To be eligible for Class 4-F, a registrant must have been found not qualified for service in the Armed Forces by a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) under the established physical, mental, or moral standards. The standards of physical fitness that would be used in a future draft would come from AR 40-501", Wikipedia.  Also, the familiar Zodiac crosshair symbol could be found at the garrison during the time Bujok was stationed there (see below right). It marked the spot for a helicopter landing pad - from where he drew the inspiration for the crosshairs that he used in later Zodiac correspondence.

The author of the Halloween card envelope also underlined the L, A and V of the misspelled name of Paul Avery, indicating he was a member of the Light Armored Vehicle Division, with the misspelled surname Averly hinting towards his middle name of Lee.

The front of the Halloween card contains the message, "I feel it in my bones, you ache to know my name, And so I'll clue you in", followed by the word BOO! once the card was opened, signifying his name BUJOK. The card was also 'sprayed' with multiple eyes, drawing the observer to another subtle hint left by Donald Lee Bujok - that he was a member of the Sightseeing Sixth Infantry Division.
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Donald Lee Bujok was stationed at Fort Ord in the East Garrison, close to where the crosshairs were located in the bottom left corner of the image.
Donald Lee Bujok served 11 years in Old Montana State Prison, Deer Lodge for the cold-blooded murder of Deputy Otto Fossen on October 5th 1957. This is particularly pertinent because the attacker of Bryan Hartnell and Cecelia Shepard claimed to have been an escaped prisoner from Deer Lodge, Montana, having killed a couple of guards, before he eventually tied up and brutally stabbed the young couple at Lake Berryessa on September 27th 1969. This is at least the story generated by Detective Sergeant John Robertson who interviewed Bryan Hartnell at his hospital bedside.  
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The skeleton's position within the card was possibly portraying memories of his time in prison, in which prisoners were hung by their wrists to the cell bars as a form of punishment - and similar to how Paul Stine's body was discovered in the taxicab at the Presidio Heights murder scene. A prison disturbance (Jerry's Riot) broke out at Old Montana State Prison in 1959, detailed in an excellent book by Kevin S. Giles. In it he described the punishment meted out by prison guards at the jail, of  "a cruelty that included extortion and beatings, that included blackjacks and iron pipes. Parolees came forward with tales of some convicts being tear gassed in their cells. Others hung Christ like from the bars in the hole, where handcuffs chaffed their wrists until they bled. In this dungeon men lived round the clock on bread and water diets. Stories got out that in some cases they got a surprise meal of pork, purposefully soaked in salt. Thirsty men cried out for more than two cups of tepid water that was allowed to them". On July 26th 1970, the Zodiac Killer would mail the Little List letter, in which he described what he would like to do to his slaves in the afterlife: "Others shall be placed in cages + fed salt beef untill they are gorged then I shall listen to their pleass for water and I shall laugh at them".  Were these images from Old Montana Prison seared into the mind of Donald Lee Bujok, just like the following phrases on the Halloween card. 
The writing By Gun, By Knife, By Rope and By Fire represented methods employed by prisoners to taunt guards they had held captive during the uprising at the prison on 16th April 1959, which became widely known as Jerry's Riot. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia "This started a twenty-four-plus hour standoff in which Myles railed openly to the media outside the walls; Alton retired to his cell after an argument with Myles, convinced that no escape was forthcoming; Jones was again allowed to leave the prison to negotiate with Powell and, under orders from the warden, did not return; and the hostages survived repeated threats of death by fire, rope, or knife. The hostages were eventually crowded into three cells, and the frightened men planned to press the thin prison mattresses against the bars to ward off any attack, but they knew the shield would not hold long against fire or at all against the rifles". link

One prisoner, Edward Wayne Edwards, who served alongside Donald Lee Bujok in Montana Prison, would later go on to release a book entitled Metamorphosis of a criminal. This book detailed the harsh living conditions inside the jail and several of its inmates. One in particular caught the eye of Edward Edwards, who he described as his most "uncomfortable memory" from his time at the Deer Lodge Prison. A prisoner who held the belief that anyone killed by him would become his slave in the afterlife. Here is the crucial extract:
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Montana State Prison photograph of Donald Lee Bujok
"An inmate who particularly stands out in my mind was the man who killed a deputy sheriff. When the posse found him hiding out in an outhouse, he told them "You can't convict me because I swallowed the evidence." He had swallowed the bullets. This demented individual showed an overwhelmingly interest in science fiction and Egyptian literature. He believed that anyone he killed would be his slave in the next life. He was generally disliked and distrusted by the other inmates. I personally felt that he was one of the most deranged and potentially dangerous persons in the prison. You never knew when he was going to erupt. ​Unfortunately, this inmate idolized me, for the simple reason that I had earned the respect of the population- something, deep down, he desperately wanted to do. He had an uncanny knack for making your skin crawl. Today, when I think about all the different types I met in that excuse for a penitentiary, this man remains my most uncomfortable memory".   PDF page 230     
This is possibly where the inception of the Zodiac Killer, along with his inspiration gathered momentum, eventually to be realized during later communications, such as the 408 cipher mailed on July 31st 1969 and Little List letter mailed on July 26th 1970.

Finally, photographs of Donald Lee Bujok wearing military issue glasses, which he often wore in later life, bear an uncanny resemblance to the famous Zodiac composite sketch. For the full analysis of Kevin Robert Brooks interpretation and theories on why Donald Lee Bujok is a firm candidate for the Zodiac attacks, please visit here: He is now waiting on news from the FBI and Napa County for the results regarding the evidence he has submitted, to hopefully discover if his prime suspect matches the DNA and fingerprints held in storage in the Zodiac case files.
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FOLLOW UP ARTICLES

The Breath of a Killer
Three and a Half Miles
The Forging of a Killer 
The Montana Connection 
Thirteen Holes in Time
The Phillips Petroleum Map Key
Seventeen Degrees from Roundup 
The Shadow of Old Montana Prison
Zodiac the Montana Connection by Kevin Robert Brooks Three 21-year-old women from Pacific Union College saw a man acting oddly at Lake Berryessa in Napa Valley, California on September 27th 1969. The man was watching them from a thicket in the rolling hills. "He smoked cigarette after cigarette" the woman said. They described him as "fairly nice looking, well built and about 6'00", commenting that he had hair that was too perfect, or it was an obvious wig. Below I have added a wig (photoshop) to Donald Lee Bujok's face, because in 1969 he wore a crew-cut, was slightly receding and had light brown hair with a red tint to it... Wait till I show the world what he looked like in October of 1969!  This passage is courtesy of Kevin Robert Brooks.
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Kevin Robert Brooks
1/22/2012 03:38:53 am

Beautiful job!!!

Richard Grinell
1/22/2012 04:03:47 am

Hi Kevin I posted the comments recently on your youtube slot,and found your analyses on several videos very interesting.Your thoughts are always welcome on this website and I would like very much to do some follow ups.If you want anything placed on this website,even a whole page dedicated to your thoughts you are welcome.
You can contact me via this page or the secure contact section in the drop down menu,under 'home'.But regardless of the outcome of your investigations, I presume even if it does not go in your favour you will still try and get to the bottom of this case.

Kevin Robert Brooks
1/22/2012 06:31:59 am

Richard, thank you. I could be wrong but I greatly appreciate the respect you have shown. After-all the only thing that really counts is closure. I want nothing from this but that. Recently, both mine and my partners computers were breeched... Serious business this Zodiac hunting... It is being looked into...

Dennis
8/4/2013 03:03:43 pm

Kevin,did you show your wok to Tom Voigt? What does he think? He is an expert on this case and would probably agree with you. He agrees with yoo.

Renate Will
11/4/2013 05:47:00 am

I think you got it right about your suspect! I am trying to get info on your book, The Montana Connection?

Rich
11/4/2013 07:11:26 am

Kevin's book has not yet been released, but when any info becomes available from Kevin as to its release date, it will be posted as a news story on this site.

michael kahler
12/5/2013 04:09:16 am

interesting,,especially the comment from bryan hartnell..escaping from a prison in Montana...also his prison mugshot..however,during the murders from the mid sixties -mid 70s,where did bujok live? any alibis,witnesses...

Rich
12/5/2013 05:32:42 am

The best person to ask is Kevin, here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKymGXSkNIg

Paul Dale Roberts link
12/19/2017 02:51:12 pm

Deanna's Psychic Connection with the Zodiac
By Paul Dale Roberts, HPI General Manager/Ghostwriter/Paranormal Investigator
Halo Paranormal Investigations - HPI International
https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/HPIinternational/
Paranormal Hotline: (916) 203-7503 - 4 Advice & Investigations
Email: [email protected]

Growing up in the bay area, I would hear the radio news blasting that the Zodiac has struck again! I became fascinated with this serial killer who left mysterious symbols and clues for the police. It’s now 2015 and the fascination continues and I learn from my wife Deanna Jaxine Stinson, that she also has a connection. A connection she could never understand, until now.

As a paranormal investigator, I investigated the murder site at Lake Berryessa in which Bryan Hartnell was repeatedly stabbed and how his girlfriend Cecelia Shepard was viciously stabbed while Cecilia’s boyfriend agonizingly watched. Cecilia died from her multiple stab wounds. At this murder site, during my paranormal investigation, I observed with another investigator that a rock was glowing, could this have been the energy signature of Cecilia? Was Cecilia trying to communicate with me or letting me know that a terrible deed occurred at this very location? I had no explanation on why the rock was glowing and could only deem this as something paranormal. See my previous article on this investigation located here: http://www.thefirering.com/GS_ZodiacInvestigation.php

Deanna wasn’t even born when the Zodiac went on his murderous rampage. When Deanna was living in Deer Lodge, Montana, she was an independent ghost hunter. Here is her account of her independent investigation at the Montana State Prison in Deer Lodge: “I used to sneak into haunted places when I was a teenager with my friends and we snuck into the old prison. There is a chain link fence behind the prison and we lifted it and snuck underneath it. We had been in previously for this ghost tour that was over crowded and not scary or fun at all. We decided we wanted to investigate alone. The stars in the night sky at Deer Lodge are always out unless it is snowing because it is a small city so we were lead by starlight. We explored inside and when we had enough scares we left and I accidentally cut my wrist on the fence on the way out. I don’t remember seeing anything. I had previously had a dream about the Zodiac Killer as a child. He was in a room like the size of a cell but it was painted in light blue paint and there was a normal size twin bed without a frame in the furthest end of the room. The bed spread was a patterning of square shapes and pastel and brown colors. He was white and younger looking. His hair was medium shades of a brown color cut shaggy and shorter like a modern man’s cut. In my dream I was a young lady with silky long dirty light blonde colored hair to my shoulders and I wore a lot of red sweaters and clothing. I can’t remember my astrological sign, but he knew about the sun signs, he knew a lot about astrology. He kept me in his room and I thought I was going to live. He showed me photos of woman he had killed, I think because he was infatuated with the pictures. He was driving a van I can’t remember it was a light blue or white color it’s been years since the dream.”

Above is Deanna’s own account of her Zodiac dream and she never knew why she had a dream about the Zodiac. It appears that Deanna who snuck into Montana State Prison may have been influenced by the Zodiac’s dark force. The number one Zodiac suspect Donald Lee Bujok was incarcerated in Montana State Prison for 11 years. He had a military background, spent sometime at Fort Ord. I have a connection with Fort Ord too. Fort Ord is where I took my basic training in 1973. My first connection with Fort Ord is when I was 8 years old and spotted a military truck going down a street near my street in Monterey, CA and a huge box of rubber rafts fell to the ground. I took the box and gave some of the rubber military rafts to my buddies. When my dad discovered what I did, he contacted the military base and 2 soldiers came to our house and confiscated the rubber rafts from me and my buddies. The Zodiac left clues that he was with the Light Armored Vehicle Division while in the military and that he was discharged from the military due to mental issues that he had. The Zodiac knew that the public wanted his identity revealed, so he sent a Halloween card with a clue, it read ‘Boo’, which is possibly short for Bujok. Bujok escaped from Montana State Prison after killing a guard, so Bujok had no problems in murdering people. Bujok with his own mental problems witnessed prisoners hung by their wrists in their cells, a form of punishment for misbehaving prisoners. He witnessed Jerry’s Riot of April 16, 1959. Bujok owned military issued glasses, similar to what the Zodiac wore. When Bujok has the glasses on, he looks

Kevin Robert Brooks link
10/2/2019 07:41:07 pm

The comment above is highly inaccurate!

Richard Grinell
1/30/2012 05:39:05 am

Let me know when you receive any news!

Sean Kevin Robert Brooks
4/26/2012 09:42:40 am

We are doing a documentary. Several producers have contacted me. Thank you for posting my work. There are a few things I didn't include in the Halloween card.

Kevin Brooks
2/6/2012 12:06:42 pm

Thanks Richard! You have been very kind. I'm not used to that from the Zodiac forums.

Kevin R. Brooks

Alex Lewis link
3/2/2012 06:21:37 pm

Hi. I notice in your youtube videos thtat you say Bujok grew up with a stutter that he, later in life, learned to control. I have just been watching the documentary 'This is the Zodiac speaking', in wich Bryan Hartnell says of his encounter and conversation with the masked Zodiac at Lake Berryessa, "He (Zodiac) had a very precise cadence to his voice, slow and measured, very distinctive tone that i said to police i'd recognise again easily". This, for me, gives srtong evidence to further your claims of Bujok being Zodiac. Here is a link to the clip where Bryan is describing speaking with Z.

http://youtu.be/4fQitbYO4lI

Alex
3/2/2012 06:49:29 pm

Cadence is a word i'd not come across before, so i googled it. 'Cadence. A falling inflection of the voice, as at the end of a sentence. General inflection or modulation of the voice.' Exactly the way you'd expect someone to speak if controling problems with a stutter/stammer. This mystery has long fasinated me so keep up the good work Kev and good luck with it. Alex, UK.

Kevin Robert Brooks
4/8/2012 12:31:38 pm

Thank you brother from the UK! Alex it is no longer a mystery.

Alex Lewis
3/2/2012 06:44:36 pm

I must admit, the word 'cadence' was not a word i'd previously come across, and seen as Bryan used that word to describe the way Zodiac spoke, i looked up the words definition. 'Cadence, a rhythmical sequence in sound or voice, a falling inflection or strain of the voice'. Bryan says Z's voice was slow and measured and a very unique sound. I'm from the UK, and this mystery has long fasinated me, so keep up the good work Kev and good luck with it. Alex

Kevin Robert Brooks
9/7/2012 07:02:44 am

I will have some more info as time permits.

Lawrence Parker link
7/7/2017 07:44:30 am

Kevin: Good work! Now take your evidence and check the partial DNA match that is today available for the authentic ZODIAC KILLER!!! If the DNA does not get a "hit" and it will not find a match!!! Then contact me and I will tell you what I know about the Zodiac Killer! I met the killer near Atascadero in 1973. I was 23 years old at the time of the meeting. I have been interviewed 3 times by police. Kevin you nailed it when you said: Zodiac was in the 6th Army!!! Do you really want to solve the cold case? Or, do you want to "meddle" like BIG smart-aleck Tom Voight> This Jerk could not find his ass using both hands and a radar where finding Zodiac is concerned!

Lawrence Parker link
7/7/2017 08:50:59 am

Kevin: As a leading Zodiac expert in the country (which I am), I believe you are on the right track here of one day finding the Zodiac Killer! I too can one day "find the Zodiac Killer" as I did in fact talk to him in 1973 for 3 hours in a tavern in California. If you will send me a private email address of you only, and not connected to the whole "SICK" world then I in return will send you an official letter sent to me from The California Department of Justice in Sacramento asking me for help in finding the Zodiac Killer! The authorities in Sacramento know me as I was interviewed by one of their detectives in 1973 just 2 weeks after I met the Zodiac Killer!

Lawrence Parker link
7/7/2017 09:07:38 am

I have today in my possession a letter from THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE located in SACRAMETO CALIFORNIA asking me for help in finding the "Zodiac Killer" which is a whole lot more than anyone living in America can say or offer in ever solving this 40 year old "witch-hunt" and COLD CASE!!! I was sent the letter after I was interviewed by a detective working for the D.O.J. just 2 weeks AFTER I came face to face with the Zodiac Killer inside a dark tavern in 1973! I have real "PROOF" beyond a shadow of a doubt t hat I met the Zodiac Killer and I talked to him for three-chilling hours! I would see the killer out on the street one month later in the city of San Luis Obispo "where" the authentic Zodiac encounter took place!

John
7/7/2017 03:51:41 pm

"Leading Zodiac expert in the country"? There is no such thing. I always love it when people claim to have "real proof beyond a shadow of a doubt". But then do not seem able to provide said proof.

Claiming to have met the Zodiac in a dark tavern (it would have to be "dark" of course) and talking to him for three hours ("chilling" hours at that) is NOT real proof. It is just a claim that you are making. And I very much doubt that a "leading expert" in the case would make such an outlandish claim without FIRST providing the proof. LOL!

Alex Lewis
3/2/2012 06:48:47 pm

Cadence is a word i'd not come across before, so i googled it. 'Cadence. A falling inflection of the voice, as at the end of a sentence. General inflection or modulation of the voice.' Exactly the way you'd expect someone to speak if controling problems with a stutter/stammer. This mystery has long fasinated me so keep up the good work Kev and good luck with it. Alex, UK.

Alex
3/2/2012 07:58:13 pm

Sorry about the 3 posts saying the same thing, it was saying error in posting please try again, so i didn't think it posted them.

Kevin Robert Brooks
3/21/2012 01:55:41 pm

Alex, I promise it's him. I have information that will bring this all to a close. Honestly, I would never put myself out there like this especially with this ugly mug! Thank you for your comments!

Beavo
4/2/2012 09:36:51 am

You've definitely put some serious effort into this, Kevin. This is my favorite suspect so far. This has got me excited like a little kid. I remember back in '06 when I first began studying the case and Rick Marshall was my favorite suspect...I just KNEW it was him...It made me sad when he was cleared by officials lol I hope you're right and this guy turns out to be Z. The families need closure. Thanks for puttin' all the hard work into the case. You're a champion among sleuths!

Lawrence Parker link
7/7/2017 07:48:45 am

BEAVO! I do appreciate your interest and enthusiasm in who the Zodiac Killer might have been? As for Rick Marshall being the killer which he was "NOT" there is a partial DNA match today for the killer who was the authentic Zodiac Killer!!! DNA does not lie!!! Check the suspects DNA to begin the process of elimination!!!

Kevin Brooks
4/8/2012 12:29:23 pm

Thank you but you aint seen nothing yet! Donald Lee Bujok was Zodiac and I have the evidence to prove it! This story is far different then anyone would have ever imagined. I will be seen as the Robert Graysmith of 2012 as I have worked nonstop to gather what I need to show the FBI, SFDOJ, NAPA and Vallejo that this is our man. We are writng a book which will put an end to speculation. We will donate proceeds to 'victims of violent crimes' as well as 'mental health awareness.' We want nothing more than this to be over. I have never, like so many before me claimed or pointed fingers. I would not unless I was sure. When you all see what we have you too will know the truth.

Kevin Robert Brooks

Daniel
5/15/2012 06:48:45 am

I'm particularly obsessive compulsive and have found myself afflicted by this investigation - I'm obsessed with it. Basically, it started for me with the 2007 film, then I read the two main Graysmith books, and This Is The Zodiac Speaking by Kelleher and Van Nuys. I've probably seen the film ten times. I also circle back to the main forum sites and check up to see if there's any new news or web videos. I'm in school, so I didn't see your videos until after finals, but I find yours most intriguing because the others are mostly circumstantial and seem to implicate an unknown dark horse suspect, and I believe you've found him. Could you elaborate on how you got onto the case and how you came upon Bujok?

Sean Kevin Robert Brooks
5/15/2012 12:52:14 pm

Daniel,

I have no doubts it's him. I have been interested in the case since I was a child. When the Graysmith book came out in 1986 or so I was hooked; I couldn’t out it down. My Grandfather was an NYPD 1st Grade Detective the old gum shoe type. He taught me to follow the evidence and would speak often about the Montana connection in the case. He believed that Zodiac slipped up and said things he should not have said about Deer Lodge and also his speech pattern was very unique according to Bryan Hartnell.

My Grandfather had a collection of Detective books and also a copy of Ed Edwards’s book. A few years ago Ed was in the spot light again and many a Zodiac sleuth were giving him a good look over... I thought he looked good and I wasn't the only one looking at Edward's. Many were looking at 3 fellas that were in Deer Lodge.

However I had formed a connection in Montana a few years ago and that person became a good friend and we starting sharing information. She started digging and I started interviewing people from the prison that all 3 were in. Some of them are gone now and were a wealth of information. Bob McNally was a prison guard there and we talked weekly until his death a year or so ago. He was a wonderful nice man and told me stories that would curl your toes! When my friend sent me the 1st Bujok mug I was hooked as the first thing I saw was that round face and the build listed as stocky. That was back right before summer of 2011 I believe. I asked my friend to dig and see what else she could find and low and behold she found a second mug and then a third....

The night she sent me the 2nd mug I couldn't sleep all night as I knew who that man staring back at me was. I was not the 1st to post a picture of Bujok for that honor goes to a webmaster and nice guy named Morf. I was a member of several Zodiac boards but found the “I’m the guy that knows everything bullshit “ too much to take. So, I packed my information and went on my own.

However I have dug to China and I now have everything I need to prove who Zodiac was including records showing why he stopped killing. The police have been very little help and are relying on a possible DNA find to conclude who Zodiac was. I already know and I know why he killed. The story is a very sad story as Bujok had a very difficult life and escaped into a life of fantasy. He was very disturbed and we also have the records to prove that as well. He was very intelligent! Donald Book however gave the impression of being slow because of his speech pattern and walk which was caused by a problem in his left knee.
He had health problems all of his life and smoked nonstop just like the girls at Lake Berryless described. Camel unfiltered. I have tried my hardest to get the police to listen, I called Bryan Hartnell but he didn't respond. When this comes out they will kick themselves; meanwhile it has been very disturbing for me. I have been chastised, talked down to, beat up on web-sites and lied to. However, I know what I have and it will make one hell of a story! The thing that boggles my mind is: they do stories about Debra Perez riding around with a step-dad, or conspiracy theories, on webmasters who call themselves experts, guys that dress like their detectives and knock everybody down to make themselves feel good in their own worlds

I come along the Grandson of a real honest to goodness NYPD 1st Grade Detective with many of the answers and I cannot get them to listen. It’s the real deal and its crickets… That will change, I have no doubt and it will be the biggest story of the year. I think it will add to the story.

I was once hung up on by a detective in SF. I truly believe part of the reason this case was never solved was egos. No cooperation between the jurisdictions. Many who have critiqued me will realize as you have that I have solved this mystery. I wish I could tell you it all Daniel I really do. I thought it would be much easier than this and I have given information to many involved in the case and have not heard back from but a few. It’s like they truly do not think it will ever be solved and any one that makes such a claim is a nut! You can’t get a straight answer from the police! Now they say they don’t really have any DNA that is worth anything….

However I don’t blame them as they have had everybody and his mother tell them their theory. I can tell you I ache to show the world this story. I ache to show how full of shit many of these so called experts are! Again, all of my trials and tribulations will add to this story. Most of these people really don’t have a clue and that is why this is still not solved 40 years later. It is now and my team did it!

The case is very psychological and frankly sad. Donald should have been in a hospital…. He was ill for a long time before the Zodiac thing. Even the prison cou

Lawrence Parker link
7/7/2017 08:57:15 am

Since you have the evidence to prove who Zodiac really was, me and millions more just like me will be patiently waiting for a DNA match sort coming proving to the world stating: Donald Lee Bujok was "indeed" the authentic Zodiac Killer which I can assure you he was NOT ZODIAC!!! Go ahead, put me too the test and check Bujok;s DNA profile against Zodiac's and like Arthur Lee Allen he was "NOT" the Zodiac Killer! I was right about Allen and I will be right about Bujok as well!

arkansasdave
12/27/2018 12:59:34 pm

well sir i would like to have your info on talking to zodiac...please tell me more..im "dying" to know

youve got no idea
12/27/2018 05:22:09 pm

The DNA is by most accounts partial and degraded and potentially contaminated. My guess is the DNA will never successfully link to any one person. I doubt if DNA will ever solve this case.

Daniel
5/16/2012 07:02:26 am

Well, the message cut off, but no biggie. I'm really impressed with the work you've done. I hope law enforcement comes around, as well as Hartnell, to help ID Bujok. I think you're right in that they've overlooked some of the details of the case. It would make sense that someone committing the crime at Lake Berryessa would potentially and mistakenly admit some truth and then have it overlooked at as a lie. The more I think about it, the more it seems like that scenario is the most revealing in the case. The others were so random and similar to "drive-by" shootings that the opportunity to interact socially and slip up wouldn't exist. If that damn Park Ranger wouldn't have swept up the crime scene they might've paid more attention to it and found something were keeping. I really hope you're right for the victims' sakes. I'm particularly hurt by the Stine murder. He was just doing his job.

GD
5/27/2012 01:12:21 pm

It does sound very good to me. I think going to Montana was the route to go. I agree, Zodiac slipped up by talking about Montana. I look forward to hearing more.

Zodiac Signs link
7/26/2012 09:46:11 pm

Thanks so much for this. This is awesome post I ever seen on internet. This is rare to find that’s why difficult to understand. Anyway, you are definitely someone that has something to say that people need to hear. Keep up the good work. Keep on inspiring the people.

Kevin Robert Brooks
1/3/2014 09:36:41 am

Thank you so much 'Zodiac Signs' that was nice!

tom horan
9/10/2012 03:57:02 pm

The following is a quote from Kevin Brooks above and is not factually true.

However I had formed a connection in Montana a few years ago and that person became a good friend and we starting sharing information. She started digging and I started interviewing people from the prison that all 3 were in. Some of them are gone now and were a wealth of information. Bob McNally was a prison guard there and we talked weekly until his death a year or so ago. He was a wonderful nice man and told me stories that would curl your toes! When my friend sent me the 1st Bujok mug I was hooked as the first thing I saw was that round face and the build listed as stocky. That was back right before summer of 2011 I believe. I asked my friend to dig and see what else she could find and low and behold she found a second mug and then a third....

The night she sent me the 2nd mug I couldn't sleep all night as I knew who that man staring back at me was. I was not the 1st to post a picture of Bujok for that honor goes to a webmaster and nice guy named Morf. I was a member of several Zodiac boards but found the “I’m the guy that knows everything bullshit “ too much to take. So, I packed my information and went on my own. "

The information was found out by other researchers. Kevin did not have a "relationship" with the person in Montana until this. Kevin has been banned from every Zodiac killer message board for his dishonesty. This is a fact. It can be collaborated, unlike his claims about Bujok. He did not talk to McNally for as long as he alludes to in the above post. Kevin stole a "person of interest" from others hard research, in the end, it turns out Bujok is not Zodiac. Of course, Kevin is unwilling to accept this even though he has been ruled out in many ways. I am not trying to belittle this man, just wanting those who do not know the whole story to maybe dig a little deeper.

Robin Smith
12/17/2014 03:28:54 am

Tom......Kevin stole a "person of interest".....

How do you do that?

Robin

Kevin Robert Brooks
9/10/2012 08:44:48 pm

This for one is not Tom Horan. Tom Horan would not be concerned with me as he believes there is no Zodiac; a theory I don't agree with but I say 'live and let live." I think you are a certain web-master! As for your other charge of being kicked off every board: I was only on two and I sir purposely cleared my information off of those websites because of flaming. In fact, I asked 'Zodiac Free Forum' to clear my information off. They did not, so I did! After a nasty letter from Voigt which many others have received I left his sight as well. The truth is one site asked me if I wanted to come back…. I said no! You will also notice none of these cowards use their real names! If this is Tom Horan and you want to debate I’d be glad too!

You know nothing of my work with Bob McNally or others! How do you steal a person of interest from others in a group? Everyone knew about Edwards, Bujok and Dryman. What they didn’t know is how to find out what made each man tick… I did… Did I do the work they didn’t do? Yes! My partners and I have worked as a team and retrieved the important work on Donald Lee Bujok. We were the ones that found handwriting samples, updated mug shots, hospital records, psychiatric records, personal letters, pictures and hand handwriting samples. All of this handwriting has been analyzed by a very famous handwriting expert who has concluded this man cannot be ruled out and everything is in line with him being Zodiac. This too will come out. Did others find the’ Fort Ord stationary’ that matches the first Zodiac letter too? Did you decipher the Halloween card too? Oh and you broke the Exorcist letter right? No, I think that was us…. Do you have original copies of Bujok’s letters? No I think that’s us too. What the hell are you talking about?

What do I have that I took from other researchers? Oh, I get it…. I saw him first! Everyone knew about Bujok, Dryman and Edwards! Remember my Grandfather was NYPD 1st grade and I even have original papers from Bujok’s court hearings and newspaper articles! What I did was perform the work and looked at each person! It is done!

What this writer does not point out is the fact that I am the one that received hand-print cards and sent them to the FBI and the SFDOJ and NAPA. It was I who sent handwriting samples and updated mug-shots and finger-print cards to this web-master Morf and another on Voigt’s site NIN who claimed promised she would only use my information for research. My letter attached even said that to them ‘for your eyes only”. That was the biggest mistake I made as I had promised they would be only used and given to people I trusted…. Then they are posted on these sites as a find by these idiots! I have apologized over and over to my team for that one. Those hand-print cards you see on several Zodiac sites are museum property and the small amount of handwritings are copyrighted photos that none of you have any business posting and it will be addressed! Who stole from whom? Everyone knows Voigt likes Gyke and so do his sycophants! Morf has his suspect so tightly under wraps you’d have to hold him for ransom to get anything out of him!
So, I ask you, what research do you have on Donald Lee Bujok? What did you have that I supposedly took? What did you find? You do not and cannot have any information as we have the original medical, psychiatric records and even items Bujok owned! I will not let anyone see private information until we are ready! Until the family is ready! You are making a fool out of yourself! That too will come out!

Do you think I at 52 years old I would need to attract attention like this? Put my name out there? For what? Have you ever seen my beautiful wife and my kids? My friends? I played to huge crowds as a young musician and I have had enough of that! Here is the truth: I am not in very good health. I may not be here for too much longer! I’m tired of Zodiac! I’m tired of the people that want to be the one! However, I am the one and I intend the truth to be told! No more bullshit! Donald Lee Bujok was Zodiac and he led the saddest life I have ever seen. He was bullied tortured and longed most for love and fought with an illness that there was just no treatment for at the time. The guy had everything against him! Unlike the others ; if there is any profit to be made, I intend to donate to causes that may help this type situation from ever happening again. That would include mental health awareness, victims of violent crimes and other causes.

We have already anticipated the “I was the one who found this guy thing!” So I say go for it! If people want to stay on ‘Voigt’s hamster wheel’; I say enjoy yourself. What I don’t appreciate is stalking. There is even a guy who calls himself, “seankevin” on Youtube. He t

Tom Horan
9/11/2012 06:29:15 am

Whatever, you have badmouthed all current Z researchers, blamed current and past detectives, claimed you have solved the mystery, yet offer nothing to back that up. Fort Ord stationary, hahaha, yes that will prove it. Show him in California during the time of one murder, just one murder. Can you do that?

Kevin Robert Brooks
9/11/2012 07:26:17 am


What would prove it to you? Medical records? We got em! Psychiatric records? We got them! Writers palm? We got it! Handwritng match? We got it! Pictures? We have them! Now, show me that research I stole from you. Why if any of you cared so much about solving this thing not ask to work with me? Why the attacks?
*
Bashing, bullying, and casting stones is just what some people do best. They don't realize that in doing so they're simply broadcasting their own insecurities, fears, and general bitterness about their own vapid lives and unfulfilled dreams.

Tom Horan
9/11/2012 09:15:12 am

now now now, calm down. I have never claimed you stole any research from me. You are the one bashing and casting stones, along with bullying. Let's stick to one thing at a time. You wrote in an earlier post today "All of this handwriting has been analyzed by a very famous handwriting expert who has concluded this man cannot be ruled out" Now you post "Handwritng match? We got it!"
That does not sound like a match to me? This is what you often seem to do, jump to conclusions and then start badmouthing everyone who has ever disagreed with you. Not a very charming way to have your story heard. Can you please clarify the handwriting information as you have claimed 2 different outcomes?

Tom Horan
9/11/2012 02:06:52 pm

This is what Kevin posted on zodiackiller mb when someone first brought up the Bujok/Zodiac possible connection. "This is some find!!! Good, no, great find you all!!!!" His reply was on July 18, 2011.
Sure seemed like it was new to you then? Please no bashing or name calling Mr. Brooks, I know you have it in you.

Kevin Robert Brooks
9/11/2012 03:17:42 pm

Here's the problem: You obviously feel threatened by me.... You know I'm right. You feel I have taken something from you don't you? this Zodiac crap it's your whole world. I suggest you go on line and tell everyone you saw Bujok 1st! I don't care! What the hell would that matter anyhow? You couldn't do what I did? You don't know anything about me yet....Great find!!!! I didn't think you had it in you!!!

Everyone was looking at Dryman, Bujok and Edwards ..... Again what the hell does that matter? Here's the bottom line, we have all of the evidence to prove our case. If you have the research lets see it.... The only research you have is what we gave you! I asked you to work with me and even shared with you but your egos were just too big to not be the one......

Show me the money! Show me what you feel entitled to! Otherwise leave me the %^&*@# alone and operate your website! Stop following me and grow some balls and use your own name!

John Corbin
11/19/2017 08:30:03 pm

Kevin,
You need to stop trying to "prove" anything to the naysayers and persecutors. As for those, like Richard, for example, above, it's cool to share enthusiasm and some intriguing details. HOWEVER, given what I know, what you've shared with me, the ONLY thing that could surpass what you have would be a certified 100% or...say 80% DNA match, as taken from one of The Zodiac's letters, or something "absolutely foolproof." Otherwise, the things you've shared with me only a dolt couldn't see are so very close to the satisfaction factor of DNA that no one could ask for anything better. If such a thing as DNA didn't exist, your findings would convince any jury or judge. There are just TOO many "coincidences" or things that make you go, "Hmmmm!"

Harry Horton
9/12/2012 04:10:47 am

Soooooo. The handwriting? Care to answer the question above? Also about placing him in California at the time of the murders? Anything concrete? You claim to have proof, show something other than his and your family history.

Dewy Duck
10/22/2012 10:33:48 am

You are so creepy

Dewy Duck
10/22/2012 10:36:19 am

You follow this man and are obsessed with harassing him. Creepy, gotta be a Voight clone

Fig Newton
9/12/2012 06:00:56 am

You will see it soon enough... I wouldn't give you the time of day!

Harry Horton
9/12/2012 10:14:55 am

I'm not asking to see anything. I am asking you to clarify your earlier statements. Is it a match, as you posted? or has an expert concluded his writing cannot be ruled out, as you also posted?

Kevin Robert Brooks
9/18/2012 10:24:45 am

I want you all to remember these comments. These are from the so called experts on this case. this one ie from Tom Voigt. I encourage them to write more!

Kevin Brooks is an attention whore. Why else would he not share the "much more info" he claims to have? Because he either has nothing, or it's weak sauce. Either way, people will quit paying attention to him...and he can't have that.

There was no evidence to suggest Bujok was the Zodiac 40 years ago when he was first investigated and there still isn't any evidence today (Kevin's need for attention notwithstanding).

Tom Voigt

Harry Horton
9/18/2012 11:07:16 am

Again, you do not answer the question. I ask you to clarify 2 differing statements you made and you quote Tom Voigt? It's an easy question.

Robin Smith
12/17/2014 03:45:06 am

TV...There was N0 evidence to suggest Bujok was the Zodiac 40 years ago and...

There was N0 evidence that Lawrence Kane was Zodiac 40 years ago either...or Bruce Davis...and they are both at the TOP of the list N0w:)..

liars and attention seekers N0t withstanding:)...

I kN0w personally a couple of these liars and attention seekers. One would be the Mayor of South Lake Tahoe, Ca.

The Mayor spoke with a poster at the Sahara Tahoe 70's reunion last year, coincidentally organized by the Mayor...and the Mayor told the poster when questioned that Larry Kane was there. Just as Harvey Hines had already reported and was subsequently called a LIAR

I might mention that this info was reported to and never passed on by TV.

Robin

Verbosity
9/23/2012 02:46:50 pm

Kevin Brooks can't prove that Donald Bujok was in California for the murders!

Cajun Brad
9/26/2012 02:01:34 pm

TOM VOIGT IS A SCUM, HE IS SO AFRAID OFMTHE TRUTH !

He bashes EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T FOLLOW HIS AGENDA.

THE ZODIAC HAS OWNED TOMS PATHETIC LIFE FOR DECADES AND NOW HE IS LOSING IT....WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP

Cajun Brad
9/26/2012 02:07:11 pm

Tommy Boy DOES THIS TO EVERYONE....HE IS A PUNK

HE IS "HARRY HORTON"....HE HAS NO LIFE, OBVIOUSLY GETS NO PSSY....TOM VOIGT IS A TYPICAL LOW LIFE SCUM WHO HAS HAD HIS LIFE OWNED BY Z.

TOM IS A SLAVE FOREVER AND HAS LET ALL HIS WASTED TIME TURN INTO A WASTED LIFE....HE KNOWS HIS DAYS AS A ZODIAC SLEUTH ARE OVER....DONE....YOUR A PUNK BOY WHO PROLLY LIVES WIT YOUR MAMA....GET A LIFE YOU WEAK PUSS BOY AND LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE....

OH MOMMY...IT'S TOMMY BOY AND I FOUND GYKE IN THE CIPHER....I SOLVED IT MAMA !

Harry Horton
9/26/2012 02:20:51 pm

Uhh, I am not Tom Voigt. So anyways....
Good luck with your agenda, you are doing yourself proud once again.
Brad, a bit of advice, maybe write your thoughts down. Sober up. Look at what you wrote and decide then if you want to post it. If you are already sober when you think these posts up, I have no advice.

Robin Smith
12/15/2014 01:34:25 am

This does it! Unbelievable!

Winston Churchill when accosted by Lady Astor (wherever it was)..Mr Churchill you are drunk! Winston replied..and you are ugly...tomorrow I will be sober.(paraphrasing)

I'll be back
Robin

Rick Sanafield
9/27/2012 11:29:21 pm

Good Comment you are correct about Voigt

Robin Smith
12/17/2014 03:47:10 am

OMG...unbelievable!

bayarea60s
12/3/2012 10:45:33 pm

Well like the Mayans theory, 2012 is almost over. With the Mayans we'll know for sure on 12/22/2012. Brooks hasn't released anything as he promised to do.

Harry Horton
12/11/2012 12:39:08 pm

Why does Kevin ban people from commenting on his youtube pages for asking questions? Why doesn't he answer the questions asked him here? He claims he "will be seen as the Graysmith of 2012" but 2012 is almost over. Why not show some concrete evidence and stop claiming "we will all see"?

Rich
12/12/2012 12:32:18 am

What evidence has ever convinced you,or are you still searching.Do you believe any of the high profile suspects are good ones.

Harry Horton
12/12/2012 01:21:02 pm

I have no idea who the Z is. What does that have to do with my questions and concerns about Kevin's suspect? Do you have proof that Bujok was in the vicinity of the Zodiac murders? Simple question.

Rich
12/12/2012 01:30:59 pm

I have no vested interest in any of the suspects even Kevin's.But am prepared to cover any story as I hold no bias.As for the banning of comments on Youtube or answering questions,that is a matter for Kevin,but everybody is welcome to their opinions here and will never be banned.

Harry Horton
12/12/2012 04:29:29 pm

ok, thanks Rich. Hopefully Kevin will answer the questions. Your blogs are just horrible, btw. Just terribly written and mostly stolen from other sites. I hope you decide to find another hobby and not promote people like Kevin or Horan. Maybe take some writing courses and try again in a couple of years? Not trying to be mean but the blogs are embarrassing to any Zoolie.

Rich
12/13/2012 01:02:12 am

Read your above post one more time and you will probably find the answer your looking for as to why Kevin has stopped responding to you.I will say this once more and once only.I do not promote anyone on this site,everybody and that includes you have opinions on the Zodiac case and you are free to air them,as I am on this blog.
It is unfortunate that you dislike these posts,but as I have said before you are welcome here anytime,but one thing I will not revert to is insults.So have a great Xmas and a happy New Year,Rich.

Harry Horton
12/13/2012 03:12:07 pm

Soooo you all just respond to compliments? Your blogs on the Zodiac case deserve to be discussed. You have obviously promoted Kevin on this site. Your blogs tell nothing new and serve no purpose. Why do you write them? You sometimes go a whole paragraph until you use a period. Do you actually do any research or just rewrite other blogs online? Any new ideas in your head?

Ryan
1/7/2013 07:10:40 am

All I care about now, is that Tom Voigt and his minions have nothing to do with the final outcome.

Harry Horton
1/7/2013 01:32:57 pm

Sounds like a noble cause. Do you have a plan?

BIG_D
2/23/2013 03:16:03 am

i am Z

Gary
3/31/2013 09:19:21 pm

If your familiar with how the serial killer grim sleeper got caught, the zodiac killer will probably be caught the same way. The grim sleeper got caught because his son got into trouble and his DNA was almost identical to his fathers DNA. We of course don't know if the zodiac had children and it would not look so but other serial killers did like the green river killer and btk. BTK had a family and they had no idea about the crimes he commited and nether did the green river killers wife. An old mystery like this one will need the DNA sample to solve because the circumstantial things can fit thousands of people.

bevlin
6/16/2013 02:44:13 pm

sorry tom if this is you posting to this site you need to back off youve got tunnel vision on this case while im not familiar with kevin im very well versed on you and your suspect.zodiac is a person that is as of yet never been mentioned on your site. or questioned in this case. you are all blinded by old evidence discriptions by kids ect. the ciphers and letters are the key to this case the crimes are deliberate. but, appear random first seperate from the crimes that may not be zodiac crimes. quit adding things that are not certain. zodiac isnt impulsive he is calculating he doesnt standout as a lunitic killer he is well educated and could have learned the skills nessesary to commit these crimes from books an common sense. for instance my father showed me how to create cyphers when i was a kid he also taught me how to shot a gun.quit with the military training blah blah blah, you are eliminating people based on what you think you know not on any proven fact.a liar can watch alot of movies go to a bar and brag about his military background and sound very convinceing. that being said zodiac is a man that attended pepperdine university at the time the crimes where happening he has no military background at all but his family does. zodiac was discribed as an older man in his 30sor 40s the actual zodiac was 19 years old at the time of the crimes.the approx weight and appearence of this man fits.the crimes were commited because this persons fasination with jack the ripper he wanted to create a mystery equal to that of the ripper . to him these crimes are a work of art. the reasons the crimes stopped would be that he accomplished his goals.at this time zodiac is still alive an doing very well he has changed his life to the point that it would be hard to reason what he did in the past with the person he has been the last several years. maybe at that time in his life he was insane. you would have to be insane or morally bankrupt to do such a thing. i can tell you that i found this person using the cipher material and othermeans i will not devulge at this time . when i discovered he was alive i started a clandestine internet relationship with him under an interest in his artwork which is based on his interpretation of paridise. after several months learning about him his past and who he is now i broached the subject of zodiac and my suspicions of his involvement. his response was not what you would expect.he told me i could never prove it and told me to please not try. now does that sound like the response you would get from an innocent person? zodiac is 66 years old although hes doing well money wise his health is not well and his wife is in very bad health for this reason i promised him i would not reveal his identity until his wife passes which could be anytime.i am currently working on a book explaining how i found zodiac and he is also set to contribute further info. he said what he did has haunted him his whole life and he will be at peace with the situation when the time comes. so to all that have logged long hours and made your best attempt to defruad others out of money and those that have honestly gave there time to help the victims and there families. you will have the answers you seek and you will be amazed at how i found this man we all call zodiac

POI Debunker
9/25/2014 02:47:05 am

bevlin - not to steal your thunder, but does your POI bear the initials DM who currently resides in FL?

Renate Sahulcik
12/5/2013 11:40:34 am

Gary
1/9/2014 03:50:40 am

Forgot I posted on this site before, until I read my own post lol. I enjoy reading about a suspect that a person has done research on and admire the time they have spent on their suspect, but I haven't read of one that has got my attention enough because of lack of the proof that's needed. The last post I read that is above, I stopped on the 3rd line because my head was spinning trying to keep up. lol you make no sense to me, how can you say anything about who z was with no proof

Kevin Robert Brooks
1/9/2014 07:41:39 am

Better do a little more reading friend... Thank you for the comment!

Robin Smith
1/8/2015 04:24:18 am

Some years ago I was enlightened by the difference between Criminal Law and Civil Law...it's called a preponderance of evidence.

Kevin Robert Brooks
1/9/2014 07:46:46 am

This is a good place to start!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNnppxPZaoM

marcelo link
2/15/2014 11:57:22 am

Great! Brooks stuff I thought to translate into Portuguese, there are ways of truth in their theories.
tempus dominus rationis est

Kevin Robert Brooks link
2/15/2014 06:57:34 pm

Thank you Marcelo!

Kevin Robert Brooks link
2/15/2014 07:25:16 pm

Que parte de Portugal é você?

Marcelo link
2/15/2014 11:03:11 pm

Im From Brazil Mr Brooks
Cheers

Kevin Robert Brooks
2/16/2014 12:13:04 am

I have friends from Brazil! Good people!

AnaC
5/13/2014 11:08:06 pm

I'm not into zodiac killer nor do I know much about it. But I read today a guy is claiming his father did it. Which is how I'm here and have few questions. I read the replies and they span over the last couple of years. What happened with Brooks claim? Or Bevlins? I guess not proven as a new guy showed up. Anyways I'm really curious who is going to win "I found him" prize.

Richard
5/14/2014 04:32:31 pm

Kevin Brooks is in the process of compiling the complete Donald Lee Bujok story. Here is his Youtube page to ask him directly https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4iTWrsCzgWPHTeWURzUBJQ/videos . As for 'who is going to win "I found him" prize', this depends on who you ask. The picture of this new suspect is eerily similar to the composite sketch of Zodiac, however how much emphasis can we place on a composite from the Stine murder. It was a new moon, poor lighting (only streetlights) and the three eyewitnesses were 60 feet away, not to mention the Zodiac Killer claimed he wore a disguise when he committed his murders. Donald Foukes, the patrolman that night, apparently only caught a passing glimpse along Jackson Street. Also many eyewitnesses including Bryan Hartnell from the Lake Berryessa Attack described his attacker being 225-250 lbs in weight, others said heavyset. Unless this latest suspect gained a lot of weight from his court appearance here https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/208846, then the descriptions given out by all the eyewitnesses would be wrong. This man does not appear heavyset with a stocky appearance.

вакансии вокалистки в москве 2014 link
5/14/2014 10:28:38 am

Cpr KIts… quite excellent read you know alot about this subject i see!…

Mercedes Herrera
5/30/2014 09:07:27 am

I am quite amazed with your work, Kevin. I have never gone to full depths within this case but I am glad your critical thinking has come to handy. You are a very analytical researcher and I respect that a lot. I have some theories, and I definitely believe some people over analyze this case. To me, having an expert consistently research this is going beyond what we really need. Just because a man left no evidence behind does not mean he is smarter than Einstein. Think simple, guys, or rather unordinary. Thanks for giving me the start to my research. Keep it up because I will always be posted.

waldo
6/26/2014 04:08:55 am

cassiopiea/ N not a z its North its not crosshairs its a compass that constelation is found in the north sky google it/ Perry Lake

Joe
1/7/2015 03:52:37 pm

I know this is probably false but in the movie they say something about a painting party and the victims sister saw a man in a suite and his name was lee why couldnt she or the surviving victim form the second reported zodiac murder come in a I'd.. What's scary is how much aurther lee Allen is ID'ed in more ways than not and this Richard guy too.. Is it possible for some type of collaboration? Could it have been multiple guys stealing or taking credit

Robin Smith
1/7/2015 06:57:40 pm

Hi Joe...I am convinced that Z is a cover up operation which involves more than one person...

I stumbled upon this "case" if you will several years ago when writing a Blackjack(the card game) compare and contrast. I used to deal BJ for Bill Harrah in the 'Day" before 1971 when Harrah's went corporate.

Donna Lass went missing rom the SAHARA TAHOE Sep 6, 1970. I was there....

Unbelievable! the crap that has gone on since this information, years later, came to my attention. Info which involves my ex husband and some of his 'friends'. N0!!! he is N0t the Z however I think one of his friends was at the very least, if N0t Z, a part of the Z operation. Which I believe was cleverly designed as a cover-up.

I live here! Lake Tahoe and well heeere we are.

I have written many comments on Alex Lewis' site( Lawrence Kane-Zodiac Killer.com [email protected]) Those comments make my position quite clear.

If you find those comments interesting please respond as I will to you in kind:)

I have also written many lol many comments in many dffierent sections of KRB...soo many I've lost track of them:(

N0t computer savvy
Robin

Brad
5/11/2016 02:49:57 pm

Hey Robin, stop using zeros instead of O's. It's not mysterious, it's just stupid.

Richard
1/7/2015 06:35:41 pm

The accounts of this painting party have always come under question, but here is a thread on it:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/discus/messages/21/825.html?1168946530

Richard
1/7/2015 06:39:02 pm

And here is a piece that debunks the idea:
http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/graysmith6.htm

Joe
1/7/2015 06:58:37 pm

okay but does the possibility that there could be some type of collaberation going on here?

Robin Smith
1/7/2015 07:07:25 pm

I would say yes to the collaboration position with out kN0wing each other personally. I think that these Z communication type missives were exchanged through the newspapers...and Darlene Ferrin was one of the objectives because she knew Paul Stine, Larry Kane, Donna Lass and others...girls talk!! at painting parties

Richard
1/7/2015 07:20:29 pm

It depends on who you ask, but in my opinion, no. The Zodiac case has so many theories from a team of murderers, satanic cults, two people working in tandem, one letter writer, one murderer, it was all a hoax etc and there is no proof for any of it. The problem is when some people get an idea or pet suspect, they don blinkers and will never ever consider alternative options. I cannot give you a definitive answer. Just keep an open mind.

Joe
1/7/2015 07:09:32 pm

Really she new other victims and parties involved.. This stinks up to high heaven

Robin Smith
1/7/2015 07:18:18 pm

If you go to Alex's Lawrence Kane- Zodiac Killer.com site

Richard turned me on to Alex! and he has become my "Lawrence Kane' authority...Kane btw knew Donna and Darlene well....aaand Bruce Davis. Dr Howard Davis (N0 relation) is my BD authority yes Bruce Davis, in my opinion figures in this

I have out lined all the people and corruption I believe is involved there and it is quite extensive.

Joe
1/7/2015 07:22:38 pm

Seems to be a lot of factors when it comes to Z the longer time passes the harder it will be to identify.. I'm also thinking maybe the killings were done for each other via zodiac codes or switch attacks.. Always a possibility but a lot of foul play

Joe
1/7/2015 07:14:18 pm

Could they have possibly have been sending themselfs messages threw the news via I cracked zodiac codes?

Robin Smith
1/7/2015 07:27:58 pm

Specifics and proof are Not where I start Joe because I believe that's part of the scheme....I like going backwards:)

The first time I see the Z is on the Cheri Jo Bates Confession Letter and then the crosshairs sign comes into play somewhere, I've lost the date...it's here somewhere, and the Halloween card has that weird symbol that is on N0 other missive.

These prison types have their own ways of communicating with each other as do NEWSPAPER editors.

Robin Smith
1/8/2015 04:30:03 am

Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did however she did it BACKWARDS and on high heels

Robin Smith
2/7/2015 01:16:48 am

ZODIAC: COS, MANSON AND THE MOB

geoffrey john grainger
2/11/2015 02:56:52 am

I have seen much more evidence and pdf documents on top of the Edward Edwards suspect book by John Cameron and believe me like Jack the ripper Iwanted the mystery to go on for years yet but "IT'S ME"has so much coherent and lucid truth that im amazed the debate hasn't been put to bed.Nobody gives intelligent reasons why Edwards isn't the Zodiac just heated insults on Zodiackiller.org etc.

Robin Smith
2/11/2015 03:17:41 am

94 comments....wow....Geof...Sorry but I am N0t a reader:( N0r a proponent of mathematics:(..however

I do have my authorities on such matters and I have outlined MY position and theory on Alex Lewis' site Lawrence Kane Zodiac Killer.com

Donna Lass is ground Zer0 for me therefore enter Larry Kane and my theory has evolved from there. I have made comments on several of Richard's links that pertain to Donna Lass and Larry Kane.

ZODIAC: COS, MANSON AND THE MOB

As far as these imbeciles on the ZNET, just remain calm and carry on!:)

An imbecile can N0t be unnerved.

Robin

geoffrey john grainger
2/11/2015 04:05:20 am

True its almost like blinkers come on and shutters of the mind go down,when people get married to a theory.A few months ago i thought JTR had been proven by dna and now the so called dna scientist says he made an error after sale of 300000 books its a disgrace.Larry Kane has always been right at the top of my list along with Andy Walker and was joined by Bujok and Edwards above Arthur Leigh Allen etc.JTR has about 15 quality suspects now ,if Zodiac isn't solved in 100 years like Jack The Ripper, Nixon and any well known miscreant of that era will be named as a suspect.I'm disapointed in Tom Voight i went from admiring him to realising he doesn't want the mystery solved for apparent reasons unless its his pet suspect ,who is as likely as Michael O'Hare.

Robin Smith
2/11/2015 05:51:32 am

Well as I see it...There are the 'core' Z mission murders and then the rest of the suspects like the husband of Judge Sherwin's secretary/mistress, Bujok, Arthur Leigh Allen and numerous others but then there are many many unsolved murders that have N0thing to do with Operation Zodiac (0Z)

All these suspects, that were really good suspects, I suspect many of them are murderers and NUTZ used by the "Z" to cause all the factions to obstruct and confuse the issue which is the cover-up of CHERI JO BATES...

Darlene Ferrin had information that she was going to or gave to Paul Stein, Donna Lass got herself involved because of her connections to Kane and Robert E Hunter Jr.

In spite of all the people that have been called liars about Larry Kane being at the SAHARA TAHOE...LARRY KANE was absolutely, positively placed at Lake Tahoe at that time by THE MAYOR himself.

It has been established that Bruce Davis was also here and he knew Larry Kane.

There are numerous connections between Joe Alioto and the Nut Tree night time meeting with admitted mob hit men and

L Ron Hubbard's Scientology connections with Anton LaVey and the Church of Satan which involves Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Charles Manson

geoffrey john grainger
2/11/2015 07:04:07 am

The book ULTIMATE EVIL-TERRY MAURY has a lot of satanic connections,even Its me about Edwards shows what a fanatical satanist he was so there is definitely a truthful lot of threads there,to all the scoffers of a group conspiracy or cult i'd say where's their positive proof against it.What amazes me is confirmed killers like Bruce Davis and lovers lane multiple confirmed murderer and suspected killer Ed Edwards is written off but wealthy local celebrity Gaikowski is championed maybe he had a Bruce Wayne complex.Aleister Crowley knew La Veys idols and L.Ron Hunnard Alan Parsons and Crowley was idolised and a model for Ed Edwards.

Robin Smith
2/11/2015 08:39:03 am

The 1960-1970 Lake Tahoe era was dominated by Frank Sinatra/Cal-Neva...the Kennedy/Marilyn Monroe/Sam Giancana....Bill Harrah/Harvey Gross/Del Webb...and

magnates like Robert E HunterJr founding partner in Alpine Meadows ski area next to Squaw Valley and Kjell Qvale, neighbors they on the same block in SF's Presidio Heights as the Paul Stine murder

car bombing of casiN0 owner Richard L Chartrand Aug 27, 1968...
disappearances of Donna Lass Sep 6, 1970 and Dr Charles L Hollingsworth Oct 26, 1970

and then Donna Lass gets right in the middle of it all and goes missing within 90 days of moving to Lake Tahoe from SF/Presidio/Letterman Hosp where she was connected by her move from Santa Barbara's Cottage Hospital and her connection to Robert E Hunter's Sr and Jr.

Larry Kane Bruce knew Davis and several other top Z suspects were in the area all the time

geoffrey john grainger
2/11/2015 06:48:49 pm

Im gonna look at the details i think some are in ultimate evil but as ive just read 7 zodiac books i may be a week or 2.If you dont read listen to HAGMANN AND HAGMANN 29 JULY JOHN CAMERON on youtube 3hr 14 mins of Edwards and zodiac then theres coast to coast the radio presenters sound convinced.There is i feel a possible connection to deer lodge prison DRYMAN,BUJOK and Edwards are all long time inmates at one time i think practising satanic rituals together too aparently.Ive read a lot bout Giancana,sinatra in marilyn monroe biographies and peter lawford etc

Robin Smith
2/11/2015 10:58:33 pm

A Myriad of Minutiae!! in other words a lot of petty crap..

.books, tapes and as Rich put it, when I ask who the hell aN0ther one of these names was, a list as long as his arm.

I've already given my age up by telling you all that I was at the bar when Donna Lass went missing (Sep 6, 1970). I say the 'bar' so you kN0w I was at least 21 in 1970...therefore much too old to read a million books or reform a list as long as anyone's arm.

I have N0 computer skills, my computer doesn't even have a speaker on it!!! and will N0t allow me to go anywhere...so if you can N0t find me here...sooner than later I will manage to crash this this again LOL.

I got interested in this entire Zodiac mess because of Donna Lass and Larry Kane as they were both here as I was and I said how could this happen right next to me and I N0t kN0w about it.

However I did leave here for 20 yrs and found out much later. But to get a grip on this monster I must keep returning to ground zero,
LAKE TAHOE and the people I kN0w were here. Larry Kane, Donna Lass and all that SF bunch that were here all the time.

Bruce Davis was here in the 60's as were the Straight Satans and the hippie types. As I said my theory has plenty of room for these suspects if you can locate any of them where a suspected Z crime has occurred.
I say that most of thevictims were N0t part of the core Z9.

Peripheral players...plenty to go around as these fools were slaughtering people left and right with N0 interference from crooked law enforcement and a lot of help from the mob N0t to mention the plethora of NUTZ and wannabe's.

Cheri Jo Bates
Richard L Chartrand (Barney's CasiN0) car bomb Lake Tahoe
Betty Lou Jensen
Cecelia Shephard
Darlene Ferrrin
Paul Stine
Doreen Gaul
Donna Lass
Dr Charles L Hollingsworth



Feel free to call or e-mail

Robin Smith
530-541-1155
[email protected]

Robin Smith
2/12/2015 01:43:36 am

Geof,

I just looked at your 'Boy' Ed on Wiki...do you have any info that places him in the LAKE TAHOE area ever?

Robin

geoffrey john grainger
2/12/2015 02:36:14 am

Wiki is waste of time try COLDCASECAMERON i know he was in San Francisco in 67-72 as his daughter was interviewed and said as much i'll see what i can find.

geoffrey john grainger
2/12/2015 02:50:00 am

There are a lot of different threads and forums when i typed in Edward Edwards and lake Tahoe from this site and zodiac killer.org BUJOK,DRYMAN AND EDWARDS are an unholy trinity and a lot of satanistic ideology and evidence points to one or more of them.Kevin has put together a very good case for BUJOK and a lot of circumstantial points to Drman but Edwards in 56-59 escaped from deer lodge ,killed a guard allegedly and escaped to Mexico in a stolen car

Robin Smith
2/12/2015 03:49:58 am

GR8!...SF!...right in there with the "Z" bunch

1967-72...if you kN0w where he went in 1972 tell me...this is a big help

TY
Robin.

Robin Smith
2/12/2015 09:08:55 am

Geof..

.I answered my own question...apparently 'Edwards" was on TV doing some show!!!!

Unbelievable!!!!!!
Robin

geoffrey john grainger
2/12/2015 06:29:20 pm

The show is on youtube to tell the truth and host says he was prime suspect in a double murder,Edwards also toured the states doing talks for years.

geoffrey john grainger
2/12/2015 07:36:03 pm

All the city's and states he was arrested in and toured in are in J.Cameron's book and a few on cold case Cameron i'll figure out how to easily post them to you soon.He admitted all his frauds,robberies,arson's etc but murders he admitted to just enough for death penalty with all details.In fact when asked which murders he wanted to admit to he said "Well tell me which states have the death penalty ,because I have committed murder in just about all of them"and then came up with all details only the murderer would know.The Great Falls double murder in 56 i think an author has written saying he believed 100%with proof Edwards did it on a lovers lane and in 60 Portland Oregon he was chief suspect in a double lovers lane murder.

Robin Smith
2/12/2015 08:02:22 pm

TY for the short cut info:)...

This is how I think 0peration Zodiac (0Z) works..so many different and unkN0wn to each other operators. A person can N0t live long enough to, against all the opposing forces, investigate all these NUTZ!...and everyone one is RIGHT...!

Get the Indians fighting with each other...give em guns and whiskey and they'll kill each other off while we sit here and watch.

I am a huge fan of Cliff N0tes and authorities:)

Robin

Robin Smith
2/12/2015 08:18:05 pm

P.S. What really struck me was the question, "Why did Bruce Davis (BD) turn himself in when he did?

Dr Howard Davis is my BD 'authority' and I did buy his book "The Zodiac Manson Connection" I highly recommend it.

My personal theory is that he was operating as a triple agent and really screwed up with Donna Lass.

BD and larry Kane(LK) knew each other... N0 doubt whatsoever...Lake Tahoe connection!!

and there we go again!:)

Richard
2/12/2015 09:44:16 pm

Have you read Metamorphosis of a Criminal
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3nU6Fytj7OfMlJGUkRzSnBVelFYT2NocnU3bkt0eFN6ZWlJ/edit?pli=1

geoffrey john grainger
2/12/2015 10:17:49 pm

Ive read most of it and through Cold case cameron and the amazing It's me by J.Cameron they are used with police criminal convictions check,the cities Edwards spoke in at engagements to law enforcement s and schools etc John Cameron has compiled the evidence that make Edwards by far the most infamous,clever and successful Satanically inspired serial killer ever.The radio shows on youtube and John Camerons Atlanta Child Murders talk are brilliant.I was very sceptical but John is a respected Cold case retired Detective Sergeant and when all his pdf's casework is compiled even a Atlanta Child Murders letter sent to Police in Edwards hand saying I used to kill couples in San Francisco but now I kill kids.Im as convinced as it is possible to get which was why the Bujok material compiled by Kevin BROOKES fascinated me as he was in Deer lodge prison with Edwards and Edwards gave detective Cameron her fathers press cuttings and on top was a story about an inmate that Edwards was inside with as he was trying to set someone up ,which he'd done his whole life so he could claim more lives through the death penalty.Listen to Hagmann and Coast to coast they are so informative.

geoffrey john grainger
2/12/2015 10:22:28 pm

Remember Edwards book METAMORPHISES of a criminal has veiled references to his murders and thousands of clues like a huge puzzle as he thought it would take till 2058 to come out fully which is what he put in a letter to Cameron after he was accused of being Zodiac and Atlanta Child killer Edwards said there's so much more you don't know.

geoffrey john grainger
2/13/2015 02:04:50 am

You can read the whole 400 page plus book on Cold case Cameron by Pdf but without Cameron's guidelines,book and FBI and police criminal records documents,it wouldn't make a great deal of sense as its all veiled and allegorical etc

Robin Smith
2/13/2015 02:55:47 am

Geo...many thanks but my 'puter' does N0t compute...sorry to be so lame...

I have my 'authorities' of which you are N0w one:) I feel free to ask you the "stupid' questions...oh lucky you!

What I found out is that Del E Webb was born in FRESN0, Ca, was in the Pleasanton area till age 29 and because of health moved to Az where he started his signature company.

Del E Webb made his millions in Ta Da! MONTANA...Military contracts....in the 100's of millions, which was in the 'day', a lot of money. Del E Webb figures in my theory BIG time therefore I need a MONTANA authority...this Deer Lodge bunch fits in beautifully.

I can N0t stray too far from LAKE TAHOE.

Yes, I did meet Del Webb...several times...he opened the gates to the mob at the South Shore of LAKE TAHOE when he opened the SAHARA TAHOE July 4, 1965

geoffrey john grainger
2/13/2015 09:43:24 pm

Kathleen Johns abductor had a childs clothes in his car Edwards daughter in his 3rd marriage was under a year old at the time.2 HE HAD NO FATHER HIS MOTHER WAS SHOT IN FRONT OF HIM.HE WAS FORCED TO CHANGE NAME BY 7 SO HAD MAJOR IDENTITY CRISIS THAT PSYCHOLOGISTS THOUGHT CRUCIAL. 3 HE WAS SEXUALLY ACTIVE DEVIANT BY 12. 4 HE WAS CHRONIC BED WETTER SEXUALLY/PHYSICALLY ABUSED IN CATHOLIC ORPHANAGE BY 8. 5WAS JAILED MORE THAN HALF OF TEEN YEARS INSTITUTIONS DIAGNOSED AS PSYCHOPATH AGE 13.6 ENLISTED MARINES AT 17 WENT AWOL WITHIN 6 WKS AFTER TOLD HE COULDNT GO TO KOREA TO KILL COMMUNISTS.7 AT 22 IN 1956 HE KILLED A COUPLE IN LOVERS LANEIN GREAT FALLS AS HE HATED CIRCUMSTANCES OF HIS ILLIGITIMATE BIRTH HE SAID SO ON TO TELL THE TRUTH. 8 KILLED A COUPLE ON LOVERS LANE 1960 OREGON. 9 DID 7YRS IN LEAVENWORTH RELEASED IN 1967 B4 ZODIAC KILLINGS. 10 HE ADMITTED TO GET DEATH PENALTY HE KILLED 2 SEPERATE COUPLES IN LOVERS LANES 77 AND 8011 CLAIMED IN 71 HE KNEW SOMEONE WHILE IN DEER LODGE MONTANA THAT WAS ZODIAC 12 SAYS HE KNEW SOMEONE WHO BELIEVED THOSE HE KILLED WOULD BECOME HIS SLAVES IN AFTERLIFE 13HE PROVIDES AN EXPLANATION WHY PAUL STINE CABBIE WAS KILLED THERE HIS RELATIVE WHO'S MOTHER HE ALSO DEPISED AND SAID HOW SAFE AND CRIME FREE AREA WAS LIVED RIGHT THERE KNOWING FEAR IT WOULD CAUSE HER ETC. 14 EDWARDS SAW HIMSELF AS AN EXECUTIONER BY HIS WORDS AND LOVE OF MIKADO SPECIALLY HIGH EXECUTIONER KOKO. 15 EYEWITNESS HARTNELL SAID HOOD WAS PROFESSIONALLY SEWN EDWARDS WAS A TAILOR IN PRISON. 16 EDWARDS ALL THROUGH LIFE TAUNTED PRESS AND POLICE WITH CALLS AND LETTERS. 17 IN 2010 HE CALLED STATIONS HIMSELF FOR TV PUBLICITY 18RIGHT AGE,HEIGHT,WEIGHT,HAIR COLOR,MILITARY TRAINED POLICE TRAINED,DRAWL IN VOICE. 19 EDWARDS CONFESSED TO 5 MURDERS DONE BY KNIFE,ROPE AND GUN TO ACHIEVE THAT.19 COMPOSITES MATCH 20 CIPHERS NEAL CRACKED I.E "IM EDWARD E VEXED I.Q HATH YOU GREATER THAN I" BEING ONE OF THEM.21 EDWARDS WAS A MASON,SATANIST INTO EGYPTIAN AND OCCULT MYTHOLOGY SAME AS ZODIAC OBVIOUSLY. 22 HANDWRITING MATCHES ZODIAC LETTERS EDWARDS GAVE CAMERON EVERY ONE OF HIS WRITING STYLES IN DOZENS OF LETTERS HE COULD WRITE BACKWARDS,FORWARDS,LEFT,RIGHT,PRINT,BLOCK AND CURSIVE,HE WAS A HORRIBLE SPELLER WHEN IT CAME TO CERTAIN WORDS AND DOUBLE CONSONANTS. is that enough clues for now?

geoffrey john grainger
2/13/2015 08:23:57 pm

Ed Edwards blogged on Zodiac sites for years and hinted of a big Montana connection ,which Tom Voight made a major disclaimer for.Edwards turned up at a Zodiac anniversary and sat next to white rabbit all day a man who propagated a Manson tie in.Ive got a list of all the blogger names Edwards went under from a year ago and of the couple that was dubious only one cant be definitive.From your brilliant grasp of the English language in your prose ,reading would be second nature to you im sure.Im happy to post as much material to you or steer you to the Pdf's?The amount of evidence on BLACKDAHLIASOLUTION.ORG posted by Edwards and repeated in his book ,prove he is the man with all the evidence the cops held back i.e he is the author of that crime and dozens and dozens of high profile ,ritualistic murders for years and JOHN CAMERONS website and book are the key to unlock.If you would like a list of evidence matching Zodiac to Edwards just say and i'll post it.

Robin Smith
2/14/2015 01:49:44 am

Geo,

Can you 'Cliff N0te' on Edward's reason for the Paul Stine SF cabdriver murder?

Robin

geoffrey john grainger
2/14/2015 02:21:37 am

EDWARDS COUSIN DAWN BELLETT SAID HER MOTHER BEATRICE WHO EDWARDS DESPISED WORKED AT LEFTY O'DOUL'S AN IRISH PUB IN S.F THEATRE DISTRICT AT INTERSECTION OF MASON AND GEARY,WHERE ZODIAC GOT INTO STINES CAB.DAWN SAID"EDWARDS AUNTY LIVED A COUPLE BLOCKS FROM WHERE STINE WAS KILLED.ON PAGE 392 OF EDWARDS BIOGRAPHY METAMORPHISIS IT READS ABOUT HIS AUNTY BELITTLING HIMAFTER HIS 67 PRISON RELEASE "Ed ,please get out of the cab about 2 blocks from our house,will you?People around here have heard you've been released from prison,and our neighbours will bw watching.I would rather you come inconspicuously.I realize its raining,but i'm afraid i can't have it any other way.Her indifference tormented edwards through childhood."It bothered me then and it does to this day." Remember his aunt had said how safe and secure her area was as it is a very wealthy borough.He killed omainly near certain dates for occult reasons either christian holidays ,anniversarys of his mothers death or Oct 11th because of connection to Aleister Crowley the man Edwards idolised. I know it may not sound like a valid enough reason to kill anyone but Edwards disposed of human life with the same emotion most people dispose of a candy wrapper.

Richard
2/14/2015 02:26:45 am

Cheers Geoffrey, I think that may be enough for now. Thanks for taking the time to compile the list. I am amazed this guy was ever released in 1967 and furthermore, a lot of people died unnecessarily due to the leniency of the American penal system, they should be held accountable when putting others in the way of danger. Murder should mean life....

Robin Smith
2/14/2015 05:32:35 am

Richard,

Exactly! and as you can see lotsa really bad actors...

SF/Haight/Presidio/Church of Satan...the gang's all here....and Geo's 'boy' Edwards fits right in. TV shows! s***...just keeps getting better...

Bruce Davis and Nancy Pitman kN0w

Robin Smith
2/14/2015 05:45:29 am

Lawrence Kane (his arrest record is on Alex Lewis' site) was positively ID'd in the Dana Lull case and several others and he did N0t even get a ticket for the same reason, the F.B.I. J Edgar Hoover.

50 years after the fact there is N0 way to estimate the number of people still sufferring from the criminal behavior of the F.B.I

Richard
2/13/2015 08:48:38 pm

By all means post away. It always comes in handy to have extra info and links.

geoffrey john grainger
2/14/2015 03:13:26 am

No problem he was released as he was an FBI informer because in 61 he was a suspect in a double murder and on FBI 10 most wanted list for robberies and multiple arsons over the years and in different states.Restricted documents show that and was a witness for instance in the Chandra Levy murder,he could give great evidence over the years as it was him who had committed the murders more often than not.His high i.q was put to use setting people up ,doing scams and steering the evidence to family members.The moere I look at the evidence and Johns brilliant detective work the more links and threads fit Edwards the modern day Osiris and high executioner for Satan.

geoffrey john grainger
2/14/2015 08:26:45 pm

Years ago top criminologist william Rasmussen found much evidence pointing to 1 ritualistic murderer behind most unsolved murders in u.s that were high profile in great book corroborating evidence John came up with real main culprit Rasmussen thought Jack Andersen Wilson was that man because of trying to link Cleveland Torso murders to later crimes.The murders in Cleveland were almost certainly done by local senators brother DR.Frank Sweeney ,a huge psychotic alcoholic ,that when knew Elliott Ness was on to him had himself committed then spent the rest of his life threatening and taunting Ness's family.So the evidence all be it circumstantial in Torso murders could likely be a red herring.Another reason Wilson I think is unlikely is he too was an alcoholic and the guile and high intelligence to commit many Zodiac style murders in Santa Rosa and highway 101 over the years would be unlikely if you were impaired from drink and drugs etc.

Robin Smith
2/15/2015 01:03:40 am

Geo...good work! You have saved me with your cliff N0tes. TY

This is why I struggle mightily with staying with Donna Lass so many different directions to go at once and that is the 0perarion Zodiac(0Z) plan.

There is always a 'LOCAL' element. The 'local' elements here just happen to be BIG SHOTS. N0t inconsequential peons like ourselves.

N0w Bill Cosby has been thrown into the mix!...everyone here at LAKE TAHOE knew what was going on with that drugging, raping pig...as a matter of fact comments were made to Donna's family such as "Her family does N0t have enough money to find out what happened to her", aN0ther was "Some guys in the band kN0w what happened to her."

The South Lake Tahoe PD and the Douglas Co Sheriff's office obstructed the investigation.

The disappearance of Dr Charles L Hollingsworth?? go to the SLT, Ca DOE site and you will find a picture of Dr Hollingsworth that looks like a high school graduation pic. He was 39 when he went missing N0 way to reason why the PD would put the picture of him at 18 ish when they're looking for a 40ish guy N0w is there?

geoffrey john grainger
2/15/2015 02:00:32 am

Not sure all I know is that he left a trail as he thought it would all come out around 1958,he wasn't expecting a detective like John Cameron who famously caught Nathan Bar Jonah in Great Falls Montana amongst a few other notables.Edwards used to get involved in conspiracies to make fall guys or leave others holding the baby as it were.As for Cosby he's like Jimmy Saville in u.k a famous D.J-serial pedophile and rapist that only got nailed after he died and had been knighted by the Queen and the Pope.

Robin Smith
2/15/2015 11:58:43 pm

One of the most mentioned things about Donna Lass' case is the fact that the last entry in her nurses log was N0t signed and the ink line trailed off the paper....like she had been drugged.

This one fact seems to indicate that she was perhaps drugged and taken from Nevada, Sahara Tahoe CasiN0...hence my last few references to Bill Cosby, as he and his minions were here and had the run of the place so to me he/his become possible suspecst in Donna Lass' case.

geoffrey john grainger
2/15/2015 01:33:30 am

There was a similar case in the Jack the Stripper London murders from 63-65 the files due open are closed for another 50 odd years .Main suspected reason a high up cop in cahoots with a famous gangster are involved in them.Edwards was a big friend to police departments and had many photos taken with different authorities saying he was reformed,the FBI only gave him go ahead to publish his book if he wasnt critical of them say no more eh.

Robin Smith
2/15/2015 01:35:35 am

P.S. THE EXORCIST was written in a rented cabin at Lake Tahoe in 1969/70 by William Peter Blatty who won $10,000 on 'You Bet Your Life" with Groucho Marx and became friends with Groucho.. Wiki

Robin Smith
2/15/2015 01:49:58 am

I am looking thru my yellow legal pads!...LOL...#2 lead pencils...acck..Were Larry Kane and Edwards neighbors in SF down there by Mason/Geary St? when Stine was shot?? A bar? where Auntie was working uh oh...Kane knew Edwards? oh dear tell me N0t

geoffrey john grainger
2/15/2015 03:33:51 am

It was only motive for the murder as Edwards liked lovers lanes murders or ritualistic killings connected to church or Police station car parks and done on significant dates like Christian holidays where the Satanistic style murders came in,with press taunts etc.

Robin Smith
2/15/2015 04:22:54 am

however in the cliff N0te it states that Aunry worked in an Irish pub on the corner of Mason and Geary and that after Edward's release in 1967 Aunty told him to get out of the cab a couple of blocks away from her house which was a couple of blocks away from the Stein murder.....

I am just getting the impression that Kane and Edwards were in proximity to each other at the time as Kane lived only blocks from Mason and Geary and we kN0w these types hung out in bars in the day.

Robin Smith
2/15/2015 03:28:34 am

Auntie of Edwards worked at a bar on the corner of Mason/Geary Sts and lived in Presidio Heights?! at the time of Stein murder? N0!

geoffrey john grainger
2/15/2015 07:17:53 pm

Yes she did Beatrice Bellet was her name unless her daughter had married.Edwards m.o his whole life was set men up ,steer the evidence and watch the fireworks.Detective Cameron showed how Edwards posted a youtube video talking about a Manson connection showing a man known as white Rabbit connected to 60's hippies and at Zodiac anniversary sat by white Rabbit all day as Tom Voight had said I wonder if Zodiac will show up?Im not saying Kane was set up but Edwards conspiracies always had innocent fall guys or promised something to either drugs,sex or money.

Robin Smith
2/15/2015 10:38:46 pm

The 1920's born WWll J Edgar Hoover 'bunch' spawned the 1940's born Manson If you remember the 60's you weren't there 'bunch'.

What goes round comes round they say in the West and heere it comes:)

Bruce Davis is alive and wants out...Nancy Pitman is out and wants tro stay out...Charles Manson is in and wants to stay in.

They all three kN0w

0peration Zodiac's mission was cover-up...the murder of Cheri Jo Bates...connection Bruce Davis, Larry Kane, Darlene Ferrin, Paul Stine and the straw that broke the camels back...DONNA LASS.

Too many clews, just obvious pointing out the Robert E Hunter's Sr and Jr links to Donna Lass, North Shore of Lake Tahoe/Judge Sherwin Sierra Club, Alpine Meadows, Squaw Valley we're talking about

N0t bartenders and valet parkers BUT they are the ones that are still alive and well...pissed off...they saw and heard everything....

Bill Cosby was here, early1960's thru 70's riding high and living large at Villa Harrah next to Sammy Davis and Mai Britt in Skyland Zephyr Cove Nevada.

Alex Lewis' 'boy', sorry Alex LOL, Larry Kane was right in the middle of it!...he was also obviously one of the F.B.I. informants ie professional pathological liars

You should e-mail [email protected] with this Mason/Geary/Presidio Heights location info!

Robin Smith
2/16/2015 01:07:06 am

I have a picture of Dr Howard Davis eating TAI food with "The White Rabbit"...

I believe the Rabbit

Robin

geoffrey john grainger
2/16/2015 02:39:01 am

I WOULD NEVER DISMISS MANSON AND OTHER SUSPECTS CONNECTION TOTALLY AS THERE WERE MURDERS THAT EDWARDS COULDN'T HAVE DONE I.E DOMINGO/EDWARDS 63 AND CHERI JO BATES MURDERS AS EDWARDS WAS INCARCERATED.ALSO SEVERAL PEOPLE COULD'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CANONICAL MURDERS TO SOME DEGREE THATS WHAT MAKES THEM HARD TO SOLVE.THE 3PART TAUNTING LETTERS SENT WITH BLACK DAHLIA'S BELONGINGS SHOW SIMILAR PLANNING TO THE LATER PERFECTED TAUNTS AND CIPHERS OF ZODIAC EVEN SIMILAR STYLE AND CLUES.

geoffrey john grainger
2/16/2015 02:40:19 am

EDWARDS DID TIME WITH MANSON IN THE 50'S AS WELL AS DOZENS MORE THAT HE PUT IN LETTERS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Robin Smith
2/16/2015 05:27:26 am

EXACTLY...Zodiac was N0t A PERSON.

The release of Manson from Treasure Island Mar 1967...Manson met Bruce Davis, according to "The Zodiac Manson Connection" timeline on pg #231 Appendices

09/??/67 Manson and Davis meet in Washington State

1967 Edwards paroled from Leavenworth
1967 was a big year...

.......as there were murders Edwards couldn't have done....as Edwards was incarcerated...again...

EXACTLY that's the way they provided alibis and did murders for each other and all these messages were N0t for us, except for the confusion value and that's why the 0peration Z targets had to be specifically Identified as Z killings.

Darlene Ferrin knew something about Cheri Jo Bates. What did she see/kN0w is a great debate...many speculations.

ZODIAC: COS MANSON AND THE MOB

geoffrey john grainger
2/16/2015 07:45:31 pm

DID YOU KNOW EDWARDS WAS TRYING TO SET FRANK DRYMAN UP 1ST OF ALL AS HE THOUGHT HE'D BEEN PAROLED BUT DRYMAN WASNT RELEASED TILL JAN 7TH 69 THATS WHY HE SHOT 1ST VICTIM 5 TIMES IN BACK LIKE DRYMANS VICTIM ,DRYMAN WORE A SATANIC PRIESTS ROBE WITH ZODIAC CROSS ON AND ZODIAC TATOOS ETC.WHEN DRYMAN KNEW ABOUT EDWARDS PLAN HE SKIPPED BAIL AT START OF 71 AND WAS CAUGHT BY A VICTIMS GRANDSON IN 2010 WHO HIRED A P.I AND SPENT A FORTUNE.

geoffrey john grainger
2/17/2015 12:20:18 am

All the work was done mainly by J.Cameron and he doesn't seem to be listened to apart fromHAGMANN AND HAGMANN ,COAST TO COAST AND DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE WITH POPEYE ETC on the radio.I just keep finding coincidences that time and again were already found or alluded to by John and others like yourself.

Robin Smith
2/17/2015 12:07:50 am

Oh Yeah!... right on Geo...
All the pieces are N0w falling/have fallen, into place and the 0peration Zodiac has been exposed.

N0t a person Z!!! PERSONS and I'll bet Larry Kane and Bruce Davis knew all of these guys.

The timelines are perfect

N0w why did Bruce Davis turn himself in WHEN he did and why did he start refusing any communication from Manson in 1974?

Dona Lass/Dr Charles Hollingsworth and I believe Richard L Chartrand are the three reasons Bruce Davis turned himself in when and where he did.

Gr8 work Geo TY!
Robin

Robin Smith
2/17/2015 12:44:29 am

I just keep finding coincidences that time and time again were already found or alluded to...

And you are willing to share with that's the brilliance Geo...N0t everyone is as you've found out on these 'sites' some nasty customers lurk.

If you had N0t shared this time with me I'd still be scratching around fruitlessly...but people like you...

Richard Grinell, Alex Lewis, Dr Howard Davis
TY
Robin

geoffrey john grainger
2/17/2015 12:52:58 am

With the internet and forums in time the growth of interaction and knowledge will make most unsolved murders a thing of the past but maybe too late for some what with justice etc.

Robin Smith
2/17/2015 07:49:18 pm

AMEN Geo....regardless of politics, race or religion.

Right's Right, Wrong's Wrong,That's That

RRWWTT:)
Robin

Mark
4/4/2016 02:24:07 pm

The problem with speculation is that you can make about a thousand people look good for these crimes by locking on to little coincidences. The problem is you just building a longer and longer list, but there is never anything more than just a cottage industry for conspiracy theories. With all of the resources that went into these cases, something should have shook, someone should have stood out. This leads me to believe that maybe these crimes were nothing more than a series of unrelated crimes. Let's face it, we don't have all the facts on this case, outside of what Graysmith conveyed, which also bears a great deal of scrutiny. Face it, we are never going to know who committed any of these crimes, ever. Kind of a macabre hobby.

Ray Jenkins
11/16/2017 03:50:42 pm

In my more pessimistic moments I would tend to agree with you Mark. One could also add Robert Alan Durst to the list of "new" suspects. Why? Because he is an alleged killer and, more importantly, he was there in California at the right time, and his writing looks similar, and he looks like the sketches from Berryessa and the composite from the Presidio. Plus he is erratic in his behaviour, just like the Zodiac was, AND we find his initials "RAD" smack bang in the centre of the paradise/slaves cross. But when it all boil downs, none of this is real evidence. It is just a bunch of highly circumstantial inter-connections, which is worthless without more concrete factual evidence, such as fingerprints ad DNA. We amateurs can only hope that there are people in authority who are constantly cross-referencing fingerprints and DNA on some huge database somewhere. But whether this is actually happening is outside of the public's knowledge. We are also being kept in the dark about how good the DNA and fingerprint evidence really is.

I also tend to agree with you that the crimes are so disjointed that they often seem totally unrelated in space and time, and therefore could have been perpetrated by more than one person. These murderers may not have even known one another. The Zodiac became a kind of phantom on which all unsolved murders could be placed. In fact we do see Manson and his followers trying to glum on to the Zodiac persona in the 1970s in order to suit their particular agenda. So perhaps there were many Zodiacs, operating independently, unknown to one other, but also relying on each other for their obfuscation. This is a plausible theory, and certainly goes a long way towards explaining the many discrepancies. The problem of course is the fact that someone had to be orchestrating the myth of a phantom killer in the background, through the writing and posting of letters and ciphers. It appears to me that one individual was responsible for writing the 340 and 408 ciphers and most of the accompanying letters in the late 1960s. It is entirely plausible that this individual was taking the credit for the unsolved murders in the Bay area. Another problem however comes about when we try to explain the attack at Lake Berryessa. Here the Zodiac manifested himself in reality, as if he wanted everybody to know that he was indeed real and not just a phantom letter writer. The really strange thing about the Lake Berryessa attack is this: If Cecelia Ann Shepard had not survived long enough to provide a description and if Bryan Hartnell had not survived the attack, NOBODY WOULD HAVE EVER KNOWN ABOUT THE ELABORATE COSTUME. This is an important fact that few people ever consider. It is almost as if the Zodiac had wanted the couple to survive long enough to provide a testimony to his deed. This also suggests a knowledge of anatomy, and cannot really be attributed to the perpetrator's sheer "dumb luck". I think the attack was actually well planned and the attacker knew exactly where to position each of the blade strikes in order to cause a very protracted death. For the Zodiac, everything about that attack went perfectly to plan. Yes, he relied a lot on luck, but he also planned this attack in meticulous detail, right down to preparing the elaborate costume. He wanted the rest of the world to know about every single detail of the attack and in this case he was successful in his aims.

John Corbin
11/19/2017 08:39:37 pm

Intelligent commentary, Ray! Some nice proposed scenarios!

Bujok
5/10/2016 07:08:32 pm

Ok...i've been Onboard the Kev Brooks findings for some time now...but...something just occurred to me; if Bujok wasn't released until Dec 17, '68...and it's nearly proven that our Zodiac DID indeed commit the '66 Riverside/Bates crime... how could Bujok have been there do carry it out?.... thoughts anyone? ( make no mistake..i still believe this was Donald Lee...and i suppose, someone else did the Riverside crime)

Trick Argh Treat
10/24/2016 04:02:06 pm

Yer, the initials on the desk didn't make any sense, or weren't relevant to the case. What was it R.L, or something? What utter bullcrap they brought in a ''Writing Expert'' to verify handwriting from a desk.

Joe
8/1/2017 12:30:30 pm

I agree. Also I think the Zodiac knew the bay area which DLB did not according to the explanation provided by Kevin Robert Brooks.

John Corbin
11/19/2017 08:38:21 pm

It has NOT been "nearly proven" that Cheri Jo Bates was Z! There have been a number of missed indicators: a few handwriting experts have said the handwriting doesn't match. MORE THAN THIS: The CJB murder was EXTREMELY violent to the point of savagery. I mean, he practically decapitated her. So? That means it was highly personal, that kind of violence. Zodiac was always more assassination like in his M.O. Also, serial killers, as a hardset rule, don't DE-escalate their way of killing. I have knowledge as to how the Zodiac knew about ["his"] "Riverside activities." But I won't tell it here! You'll have to wait for Mr. Brooks book, which IS on the way, for those trolls that keep saying, "So where is it???" NOTICE the trolls haven't written SQUAT or offered more than anything but the same..."Gaikowski...Allen...Van Best..." blah blah blah! Only Kevin Robert Brooks has offered something NEW, unheard of (MISSED by: #John Douglas #Robert Graysmith, etc, etc.)

Tom Voigt
10/23/2016 04:52:37 pm

Look at me I'm Tom Voigt and I'm obsessed with The Zodiac. I even make people pay for the privilege to leave comments on my website now. Your comments don't matter - only money matters to me. I'm the whip on the whole subject. Disregard Graysmith's theories and his little yellow book - hi lived it but I'm now the copyright owner of all things Zodiac. Screw anyone else opinion. How dare Gary L. Stewart come out and claim what he did without my approval. I told all you twits that Richard Joseph Gaikowski AKA Dick Gack was the Zodiac. Look Gak Splat appears in a cipher. I'm Voigt I solved The Zodiac case. Don't argue with me because I'm Tom Voigt.

Trick Argh Treat
10/24/2016 03:58:31 pm

Wow, yet more suspects named, huh? Names I've never even heard of. Bujok, Kane & Davis? (How Graysmith got it so terribly wrong.) Some other dude online is claiming that Morris and his escaping Alcatraz buddies are behind this whole damn Zodiac bizzo. If your boy, Bujok, is/was The Zodiac and was released from some Deer lodge retreat in the mountains then um, well, HELLO, a cop killer would definitely be required to show up for parole checks twice a week. Was there no all points bulletin alert for the arrest of Co-jack? You can't deny that recent photo comparison in that Stewart book Most Dangerous Hoth Monster theory bizzo. The Zodiac was just a coward, don't glorify him in hidden mystic. He ain't no anti-hero he's a twit.

Zodiac Unmasked Part III
11/29/2016 06:07:23 am

Your insights and researches are really solid and I think you nailed it. Zodiac was a large guy, possibly a soldier and the mugshot cannot be used to identify him clearly because it's the Zodiac masked figure (for this reason Earl Van Best is a bad suspect).

There was a guy named Richard who was possibly stalking Darlene and she admitted before the shooting, speaking to his boyfriend, that he would have killed her... this can bring the attention to both Richard Gaikowsky and Richard Marshall.

Arthur Leigh Allen. I think he's been framed somehow and accused by Graysmith without clear proofs. Of course many elements correspond and he was stalking Darlene too, he was a bad guy, but I don't think he was the Zodiac.

So, if you consider the elements and researches of Kevin Brooks, Donald Lee Bujok is a great suspect, he got all the marks to be the perfect Zodiac suspect.

But way a moment... if you have to go for a serial killer and a very nasty one, with the ability to camuflage himself and even frame other guys, even having joke of police, I would choose Edward Wayne Edwards, he went on a killing spree for his entire life, never been caught for 66 years and he had high IQ. He was with Bujok at Deer Lodge and there is a possibility that he may have heard that go for the killings, notice that he was living in that area during 67-70!

John
1/1/2017 06:11:06 pm

You provide some very tantalizing circumstantial evidence here, and I think L.E. are fools if they do not follow up on it and fully investigate the Deer Lodge connection. Sadly it seems to me that law enforcement at all levels have largely washed their hands of the Zodiac case and even fewer want to be involved in it. There is a dire need for the US Government to implement funding for cold cases that can overcome all jurisdictional boundaries and have the resources to solve some of these past crimes. I believe that somewhere among the piles of seemingly conflicting and confusing evidence for this case their exists the identity of the killer. I have observed that several cold cases have been solved in other countries in recent times. A 20 year old cold case was recently solved in Australia for instance, but it took almost 300 police and detectives working together to bring about an arrest. By comparison, how many law enforcement officials are being paid to work on cases like the Zodiac at present? I'm guessing there are only one or two who more or less do it in their spare time.

Katy Hess
10/6/2017 08:33:14 pm

Kevin, (Richard)
I too have studied this case for years and was always drawn back to the Montana reference by Zodiac. Through my research, I found a few interesting tidbits that you did not mention. I would like to share but I'm not wild about being on the forum; I'm not into all the yammering that goes on. If you would like to email me personally, I'd be willing to talk. I may not have anything of interest to you as you have done an exorbitant amount of research, but who knows!
I prefer to study the psychological and linguistic components of Zodiac's words and actions, so besides the usual fact finding, I have delved into research that gives his personality a whole different slant then what is parried about by people. I'll explain more, if you want to respond.
The following is about Edward Edwards: I live about 20-25 minutes from the place that Kelly Drew and Tim Hack were abducted (Wisconsin). My friend lived on the very road that Evans left the bodies. I have done the whole route to get a feel for what went on that night. They were not shot in a "lover's lane" but were abducted right outside the Concord House, where they had attended a wedding dance. The area that constitutes a parking lot is nothing more than a significant patch of lawn. It's pitch black once outside that building which is why it was so easy for him to ambush them. His motive in this particular case was to sexually assault Kelly as Tim was killed soon after the abduction. It gives one pause, as these murders do not link up well with Zodiac's personality. Zodiac's style/motive is not commensurate with Evans. Your suspect Bujok fits the profile much better than Evans. Personally, the whole investigation needs to start over from ground zero; there is so much muddled information out there that only hinders the case.

As you are aware, this was a cold case for 30 years, so hope and science are still on our side in catching Zodiac.

Sincerely,
Katy Hess

John Corbin
11/15/2017 08:54:20 am

Katie,

It really is nice to see there are smart, thoughtful people "out there" that listen and THINK! Not many people touch upon "style" in their comments. Like the Cheri Jo Bates case. NOT Zodiac, in my opinion. Too violent. Too personal. NONE of the PROVEN Zodiac killings were any where NEAR this degree of savagery. Serial killers don't DE-escalate, my friends.

Ray Jenkins
11/15/2017 03:12:00 pm

I am not convinced of that, for so many reasons. It is impossible to pigeon-hole a serial killer like the Zodiac. The Zodiac was so difficult to profile because he was erratic and "all over the place" when it came to killing. I guess this is one of the reasons why he was so difficult to pin down to any one suspect. He could be in the country one time, then in the city the next. He would go way over the top and wear a costume and plan an elaborate act one time, then shoot a taxi driver in cold blood the next. He changed his method of killing and in some cases his entire modus operandi. Next he was talking about bombs and picking off school kids, but then changed his mind and didn't logically follow through with this threat. He was all over the place in fact. The Zodiac would escalate, then de-escalate, and even go into several long periods of hiatus. He was not your average "run-of-the-mill" serial killer, if there even is such a thing, which I personally doubt. The Zodiac was different. If you want a modern day example, look at Robert Durst. He too is erratic and "all over the place", changing his MO constantly and often no logic to the crimes he commits, sometimes escalating, other times de-escalating, and over many, many years. If only we lived in a world where everything is logical and simple and made perfect sense. Serial killers seldom do.

Kathryn link
1/26/2018 07:37:12 am

Oh My God what a tragic story this is. Can't believe someone can do this much.

Kathryn link
1/26/2018 07:37:58 am

Oh My God what a tragic story this is. Can't believe someone can do this much. Can't express my feelings right now.

BB
2/24/2018 11:23:55 am

Watch youtube - programmed to kill

The 93 part show woke me up to these killers

I'd be interested in your opinion

Paul Dale Roberts link
2/24/2018 12:12:57 pm

Since they have the DNA of the Zodiac, why can't they submit his
DNA to Ancestry.com or 23 and Me - and find out who the Zodiac's 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st cousins are. When you can identify the first cousins, that would bring you that much closer to identifying the Zodiac, this can be done with the Golden State Killer too.

Ray Jenkins
2/24/2018 03:17:26 pm

This is actually a very good idea. The solution to this mystery really could be that simple. But I wonder, LE would probably view the techniques of Ancestry.com as too simplistic, not "peer-reviewed", and therefore not rigorous enough to be admissible in court? There are clearly so many avenues open these days that could help identify this killer. One can only wonder why none of them are presently being pursued. Perhaps LE really do not want to know who the killer was? Perhaps the findings would bring too much shame and embarrassment? I mean, what if the DNA results showed the DNA was related closely to the family trees of Toschi, or Donald Harden, or someone else who was closely involved with the case? What then???

Paul Dale Roberts link
2/24/2018 11:59:26 pm

Thank you Ray for your comments, you made some good points. Hmmm..cover up time...

movies123 link
5/30/2018 07:44:43 am

I think you got it right about your suspect! I am trying to get info on your book, The Montana Connection?

Paul Dale Roberts link
5/30/2018 08:11:14 am

I didn't write a book called Montana Connection, but I do write paranormal books, which can be found here:
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/jazmapika1?searchTerms=&pageOffset=3

Chad William Burke
2/15/2019 05:21:03 am

AEN+8K8M8ωNAM
EZBOOMOROBBER

https://mobile.twitter.com/CodeShatterer/status/1096390895002357760

Victoria
4/23/2019 08:49:17 pm

Everyone has an opinion, but why the horrible bashing? Aren't we searching for the same thing? Robert Domingos was my cousin. I was 12 years old when he and Linda were murdered. I am now 67 years old, have watched family members pass away.........saying they only pray they find out who did this horrendous crime before they leave this world. June 4th, 2019, it will be 56 years since Bobby was killed. All family members of every victim wants the truth! Work together people, you honor the victims by just working for the same purpose. Thank you for never giving up!

Dan
4/24/2019 02:58:28 pm

My condolences on your cousin. I do not see very much "horrible bashing" in the posts above, just people expressing differences of opinion, which is generally bound to happen whenever a large body of public people with different opinions come together to discuss a single problem. The big question is Do you believe an online forum like this can ever hope to solve the case, even if everybody does "work together"? The reality is that only law enforcement can solve this case, as it has very much come down to a matter of infinitely minute details - that being DNA. The broad brush of circumstantial evidence has long past its "use by date". Nobody trusts what anyone with a "theory" has to say anymore. Too much time has passed. Also anyone who comes forward as a "witness" at this very late time will probably be dismissed, unless they possess solid, material evidence that cannot be denied.

Chad William Burke
3/14/2020 12:45:39 am

Split alphabet cipher backwards.

My name is ---

MANλ♉M♉K♉⊕NEA
REDAOROTO⊕DLB

RED A OR OTO ⊕ DLB

Red A may signify the 6th infantry and "Oto" may signify Otto Fossen.

🔑

AENKM ⊕♉λ
BLDTR ⊕OA

tom
4/19/2020 07:37:36 pm

Dear All,

One must not put too much faith in what was sent to the press and police. I was a game and meant to confuse. Humans seek out patterns and the person(s) who sent these letters knew this. It is a rabbit hole that many have been lost in. One must look at the deeds done- not the letters. It is a huge smoke screen. Look at Edwards- Look what he wrote about that most dangerous inmate. It was a setup which perfectly matches the MO of a guy who was desperate for attention and thought he was smarter than everyone else. Most importantly, ask yourself, why has the killer never been caught? Throw away the ciphers, the letters and look at the deeds. Now you have your man.....

Johann Schmelter
4/19/2020 09:01:41 pm

So you tell us not to look at any of the Zodiac's writings because they are rabbit holes and smokescreens. Then in the next sentence you say "Look at Edwards- Look what he wrote about that most dangerous inmate." So we can take notice of what Edwards wrote, but not the Zodiac, unless it matches with something Edwards wrote. LOL!

Tom
4/20/2020 12:32:29 am

Youtube- Search for 'sighting in on the Zodiac'. Avery went to school with Don Cheney and in 1953? the school production was 'The Mikado'.

Kevin Robert Brooks link
4/20/2020 10:37:32 am

I have already told you all who the Zodiac was back in 2012. I have all of the evidence direct and circumstantial. I did the interviews, showed you snippets of evidence as well. I was laughed at, teased, called names, called a liar. I never asked for a dime from anyone! The Zodiac was indeed Donald Lee Bujok and when I am interviewed and the world sees what I have preserved the previous theories will be completely debunked! Richard, you are and always will be my good friend. Kevin Robert Brooks

Johann Schmelter
4/20/2020 04:36:36 pm

I can see there are going to be a lot of very unhappy people if ever the DNA proves that the Zodiac was someone nobody had ever heard of. Well we have seen this happen with many cases: it either turns out to be an old suspect who was dismissed for some reason, or somebody who was never before considered. Sadly it would appear the entire DNA thing may have become a rabbit hole in itself, and no matter how tall a mountain we may stack with highly selected and cherry-picked circumstantial evidence, it will prove nothing today without the all important matches to DNA and/or fingerprints. Now we have entered a world where, if anyone had been working on the Zodiac DNA, that lab has probably been closed down due to the Coronavirus pandemic. Zodiac will be very low on anybody's list of priorities for some time. It seems to me the Zodiac case is, as it always has been, dead in the water.


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