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RICHARD GRINELL, COVENTRY, ENGLAND
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DOMINGOS AND EDWARDS - THE BALLISTICS

6/9/2024

 
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After watching the excellent Planet X Filmworks YouTube video produced by Ross Geraci about the murders of Robert Domingos and Linda Edwards on June 4th 1963, I have attempted to delve further into their case and analyse the ballistics evidence. The limited information we have is from newspaper coverage, so I have cross-checked different statements to achieve a reasonable hypothesis for the events that day.

​After their arrival at the coastline, presumed to be sometime in the afternoon hours, the young couple were mercilessly gunned down by a fusillade of shots to the back as they attempted to escape from the beach and their attacker, ending up a distance of about 75 feet north from where the shooter initially began firing, before the callous killer approached the couple where they lay and fired the remaining shots from close range (apparently leaving gunshot residue on the victims).
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Based upon the shell casing distribution, detectives stated that the "assassin fired from about 25 yards away (75 feet), then moved in". How far the couple were from the shooter when he started firing is unknown, but according to investigators it appeared that Robert and Linda had ran 25 yards from the initial point of contact before collapsing to the ground. According to newspaper reports on June 11th 1963, detectives found 15 empty .22 brass casings toward the mouth of the creek approximately 20 feet from the ocean, ejected from what they believed was a fast-firing automatic weapon. It has been reported that in total 26 casings of Super X long rifle were recovered from the crime scene, which appears to contradict earlier claims by some newspapers of 20 casings found. A bobby pin (a type of hairpin) probably belonging to Linda Edwards was found in the deep creek waters. Coroner's autopsy surgeon, Dr. John P. Blanchard, stated that Robert Domingos was shot eleven times, while Linda Edwards was targeted eight times (with one bullet shattering her right leg). If we take the lesser total of 20 shell casings recovered from the crime scene according to several newspapers, it indicates that the shooter reloaded the weapon as they walked towards or stood over the stricken pair. Ejected casings were found strewn along the creek bed and gully close to a dilapidated shack.​

PictureSheriff James W. Webster investigated the murders
Some newspapers stated Robert was hit 11 times, while Linda was struck 9 times, not 8, This would mean that 20 shots were fired that afternoon in a dynamic chain of events  involving two running individuals, in which the shooter hit his intended targets 20 times out of 20. This appears to be remarkable accuracy. Reports of 26 casings retrieved from the scene could be viewed as more realistic. The Independent newspaper on February 8th 1964 stated that "police found 27 brass shell casings in the area", which aligns closer to the previously reported 26 casings. The San Francisco Examiner (on February 8th 1964) when comparing the Domingos & Edwards murders to the later sniper murders of Johnny & Joyce Swindle at Ocean Beach on February 5th 1964, argued a similarity of bad marksmanship in both attacks, writing "Numerous shell casings were found on the cliffs here and in San Diego indicating that the sniper had fired many more bullets than those that hit the victims".​

Using the only information at our disposal we can piece together an approximate retelling of events that afternoon using the statements of ​"assassin fired from about 25 yards away (75 feet), then moved in", "detectives found 15 empty .22 brass casings toward the mouth of the creek approximately 20 feet from the ocean" and "the bodies were dragged 30 feet to the shack". In the image below I have placed these measurements onto the topography of Canada Del Molino. If the lower estimate of 20 shots were fired that day and 15 empty casings were found toward the mouth of the creek, then this leaves 5 shots remaining to be fired at the victims from close range as they lay on the ground (which one could assume all hit their target). Based on the reports of Robert receiving 11 gunshot wounds and Linda 8 or 9, it would mean the shooter achieved 100% accuracy (or missed just once) as the couple ran from the shooter to the position they fell.  If 26 shots were fired that day (15 from distance as they ran), this would leave 11 shots remaining to be fired at the victims from close range. This would mean the shooter achieved 73% to 77% accuracy throughout. Assuming he managed to hit the victims 11 times out of 11 from close range, it would indicate that from his first 15 shots he only managed to hit Robert and Linda 8 or 9 times (missing 6 or 7 times). This would make his accuracy over distance between 53% and 60%. We have newspaper reports claiming either 20 or 26/27 casings retrieved from the mouth of the creek and gully, so which information seems more credible when we consider the unfolding events at Canada Del Molino on June 4th 1963?  

Six in depth articles examining the murders of Robert Domingos and Linda Edwards. 
​The Shack. The Rope. The Beach. The Ammo. Pistol or Rifle? The Final Analysis.
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Scott Norton
6/9/2024 01:33:10 pm

Hi Richard great write up of the ballistics dimension of this perplexing and tragic case. It's important to keep in mind (speaking as one who has walked the area) that this is an extremely remote location even now 60 years later with unfettered sand and stout brush and rocks. To me it is unlikely all the shell casings were found especially for any round fired on the beach itself. Given that and the enormous amount of unspent ammunition found I would tend towards an even higher count than the 26-27 your posit.

Richard
6/9/2024 02:16:51 pm

All I was able to do Scott was use the available information from about 50+ newspapers to formulate this article, but you are correct in that spent ammunition may have been missed. I find it much more likely that the higher end of casings were found rather than the 20 commonly accepted. However, there are lots of widely accepted beliefs about this case that are just based on supposition and a propensity to want to fit the Lake Berryessa attack retrospectively into the 1963 murders. I found one solitary article describing "a rope with two marlin hitches, an uncommon knot" found at the scene (and one document describing the same 3/8 inch rope), but I have found no evidence for pre-cut lengths of rope akin to Berryessa. If Robert escaped bindings tied on him by Linda, they should have been close to the creek. But was this rope with two marlin hitches anything to do with the crime? The theory that Linda was forced to tie up Robert, who then freed himself and ran with Linda is just made up speculation. The tying up of the victims element has seemingly been taken from Lake Berryessa and supplanted into the Gaviota crime by over-zealous individuals who want to believe a connection exists. But there is no evidence the murderer brought any pre-cut lengths of rope to the 1963 crime scene and no evidence that either victim was tied at any point. There is actually no evidence he had a knife, despite the state of Linda's bathing suit (althogh it's possible). There is also no evidence the killer attempted to burn the shack, because burn marks and spent matches have no time stamp. The leaves and debris found around the shack could have accumulated there by wind direction, or pushed into that position by the act of dragging bodies toward the shack. But I suppose if people want to forge the "fire" connection with Zodiac, it's an easy route to take. I wouldn't rule this crime out as pre-canonical Zodiac, but it seems to me a case of people wanting badly to force a connection to Zodiac and using language like "the killer probably forced Linda to tie up Robert" when no evidence supports such a notion, other than a rope found within 2 marlin hitches found in the vicinity. We also don't know for certain how many perpetrators were involved. One weapon based on the ammunition is all we realistically have.

Scott Norton
6/10/2024 02:20:15 pm

Good points all. I did speak with Bill Baker briefly about this question many years back and he indicated that some information was being held back that strengthens the ties to Berryessa. Beyond that who knows.
As you say there does seem to be a desire to shoehorn open questions in to the Berryessa paradigm.

Richard
6/10/2024 03:03:13 pm

I think after 61 years, holding back information that supposedly strengthens the ties to Berryessa is pretty pointless. It suggests to me that they haven't got anything. I remember the press release by Sheriff John Carpenter in 1972 suggesting a link to Zodiac that he was "not at liberty to disclose at this time". That was 52 years ago. So when is the right time - maybe 2072 or the year 3,000, when this case is even deader than it is now. I'm so sick of hearing these cat and mouse games played by detecives, who then and now have provided no compelling link for 6 decades. I think we can agree (probably) Scott, that withholding evidence from the public during a certain phase of a criminal investigation is crucial in weeding out hoaxers, but in cases such as Domingos & Edwards and Cheri Jo Bates, holding back information (other than still living people) is absolutely pointless. The only thing I can conclude from word salads such as the Carpenter press release is they have bugger all. I don't fully rule out a connection, but I see very little to connect Zodiac to these crimes. If this hidden gem of information can dramatically swing the dial, then it time to put up or shut up. I think the reason we haven't been given this bombshell is because it doesn't exist. It's grandstanding.

https://www.zodiackiller.com/SBPressRelease.html

Scott Norton
6/11/2024 01:27:22 pm

Totally agree Richard. I think it was in September of 2003 that I spoke with Baker but whatever justification remaining at that time (this was during the heyday of the initial DNA "results") is long gone now.

This is interesting. link
10/27/2024 07:02:28 am

Just passing by after watching the Netflix documentary.

Andy Lee
10/27/2024 07:03:14 am

oops.


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