AFTER THE FLOOD

9/7/2018

"There are approximately 230 miles of levees protecting over 50,000 acres of marsh land in the Suisun Marsh. Only about a third of the Delta levees (385 miles) are part of a federal flood management project of the Sacramento and San Joaquin River systems. All of the Suisun Marsh levees – are local levees constructed and maintained during the past 130 years by local reclamation districts. Suisun Marsh and adjoining bays are the brackish transition between fresh and salt water. But the location of that transition is not fixed. Hydrologic studies suggest the Delta works like a giant washing machine agitator, with tidal forces and river flows constantly sloshing water back and forth."
Water Education Foundation.

"Suisun Slough is under the influence of tides. The most severe flooding along this waterway would result when very high tides and a large volume of stream outflow occur coincidently. In Suisun City, restrictive outlets into slough areas cause floodflows to pond in low-lying areas, and high tides may delay drainage for several days. Flooding occurred in Suisun City in 1940, 1950, 1955, 1963, 1966, 1967, 1969, 1970, and 1973. Extensive flooding along State Highway 12 occurred in December 1955. Floodwater rose to waist depth in a residential development when high tides slowed drainage. In January 1967, floodwater covered one-third of the streets, and was approximately 2 feet deep in the southern part of town. Flooding from Pennsylvania Avenue Creek and Union Avenue Creek had a recurrence interval of 15 years for the 1967 flood. A high tide and overflow from Laurel Creek and Union Avenue Creek caused flooding in January 1970." Flood Insurance Study.

"A flood damage survey was made during the January 1970 flood, but streamflow measurements and high-water marks are available for only the 1973 flood. Examples of flooding in the project area are shown in the photos. Newspaper articles, photographs and descriptions by local residents for the other flood years indicate substantial losses to residences, businesses, crops, and county roads. These floods caused many homes to be evacuated, disrupted community activities, and endangered the health and safety of residents and those involved in rescue operations." Fairfield Vicinity Streams.

"Those of you who have lived here since the 1970s or earlier may remember what the state-named streets in Fairfield looked like after a heavy rain and, if I remember correctly, a high tide. There was a tidal incursion on streets that have long since been redone and the flooding problem totally mitigated." Bud Stevenson, Solano Daily Republic.

Excerpt from the April 20 1970 Zodiac letter

The Zodiac mailed correspondence to the San Francisco Chronicle on April 20th 1970, in which he stated "I have killed ten people to date. It would have been a lot more except that my bus bomb was a dud. I was swamped out by the rain we had a while back." Suisun City, Solano County, California can be seen via the link to border the city of Fairfield. But why is this relevant?
It has been suggested in previous articles that the Zodiac Killer may have resided near the payphone at Springs Road and Tuolumne Street, but we know that two letters were mailed from Fairfield to the San Francisco Chronicle on December 7th 1969, and to the San Francisco Examiner on December 16th 1969. If these were genuine Zodiac letters, then there is a possibility that he may have been a resident of Suisun City or Fairfield for the duration of the 7th to 16th of December and mailed his letters from this location. Was he a resident of this area beyond December 16th 1969, or did he reside here permanently? The Bay Area murderer may have had two residences, a vacation home, lockup or a business in this region of Solano County.
Just a matter of weeks after the final Fairfield letter, floods in Suisun City/Fairfield, "from Laurel Creek and Union Avenue Creek caused flooding in January 1970" resulting in the evacuation of many "residences and businesses" in the area. The Zodiac Killer then wrote to the San Francisco Chronicle in April, stating "that my bus bomb was a dud. I was swamped out by the rain we had a while back." But was he telling the truth?

# The population of Suisun City was only 2,917 in 1970.
# The population of Fairfield was 44,146 in 1970.

Judith

9/7/2018 06:45:30 pm

I can tell you that I sold Real Estate in Vallejo and the Eastbay for 15 years and that I currently handle the paperwork for transactions that are closing in Vallejo up to last week. None of these houses have basements.
In my book " Tit Willow" I describe a house known as the Big Pink, it is in El Sobrante. It backed up to a steep hill. The living quarters were raised. You had to walk up stairs to get there. Underneath was an unfinished area with an Earthen floor. Peter Plante lived in the Big Pink during the Zodiac murders of 1969. The guy he lived with is the guy who has the weapons. There were many legendary parties at the Big Pink. One story described the chaining up of a party guest who urinated upstairs on the rug. Peter was known to have shot flies on the wall with his gun. He frequently mentioned the recipe for building a bomb "all you need is some fertilizer" blah blah blah.

Rubislaw 32 link

9/8/2018 03:34:59 am

Interesting to hear what Robert Graysmith had to say,on the subject.

One should bear in mind,that,historically,Arthur Leigh Allen and William Joseph Grant,were No.1 and No.2 original suspects,confirmed by the SF Chronicle.

Allen resided in Vallejo,which was not flooded.....with Grant residing on Cordelia Road,nr.Fairfield.

''I was swamped out by the rain we had a while back.'',Zodiac had written.The area of Grant's house was flooded at the time of Zodiac's letter,and the detectives had secured photos to prove it.''Peek through the pines'' said a Zodiac card.One of the detectives explained to me that Grant lived in a grove of pine trees in an isolated section.''You can't even see the house until you get up close enough to peer through the pine trees which are in long rows.''

I looked at photos of Grant's house that they had taken and saw the water had come up over the road and had piled banks of mud near the center.The entire area had,I found out when visited it,in spite of the green pines,a desolate chill to it.

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Cordelia Road has,signposted along parts of it ''Subject to Flooding'',and has,traditionally been considered,as such.

Cordelia Road is known,as a favoured ''by pass'' and short cut route for the ''virtually parallel'' Interstate 80.if commuter traffic gets heavy,or ''tail backs'' develop.It is not supposed to be used by trucks and heavy goods vehicles,and the Highway cops,tend to marshall it,with intent [....and extra traffic fines,to be had..no doubt...].

Arthur Leigh Allen and William Joseph Grant,were officially cleared,as Zodiac suspects,in 2002.

We did not hear of Grant's clearance,until 2012,since he was not supposed to be a suspect,in the first place.However,Lyndon Lafferty knew all along,the information,which he bemoaned,since he had suspected Grant,of being the Zodiac.As,had Graysmith,seen of Allen.

Judith

9/8/2018 09:31:44 am

According to the Napa Sheriff's Department, Peter Plante is in the Zodiac suspect Matrix. He has not been cleared.
I wonder how law enforcement cleared other suspects?
Based on what evidence?

This is the Zodiac Speaking to nonces...

9/8/2018 09:35:29 am

It was my target location that was swamped out! I already had a portion of my bomb set up! Are you people riding the 'short' bus?

Rubislaw 32 link

9/8/2018 12:36:04 pm

This is about making assessments on the Zodiac's claims,in writing.

Not about,nor necessarily about believing those claims.

So,I do fail to see,where the figurative ''short bus'',is relevant.

Richard

9/8/2018 05:39:14 pm

This person is pretending to be Zodiac- how original.

9/13/2018 06:20:13 pm

Richard - This POI is very suspicious for Riverside Zodiac

Granville Douglas "Bud" Kelley Jr.

https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Granville-Kelley/171365370

He lived across the street from Ramona Highschool in 1966, then moved to La Sierra.
"Kelley was a 30-year department veteran. He served five years in the U.S. Marines, joined the Riverside Police Department in 1960 and was in the detective bureau for 22 years before he retired in 1990. He was one of the investigators who continued work on the 1966 unsolved murder of Cheri Jo Bates. Kelley gave no credence to those who claimed she was an early victim of California's Zodiac Killer serial slayer."
Kelley was treasurer on the Riverside Christian Schools Board of Directors (government office).
He was convicted of nine counts of child molestation.
Just like the "Confession Letter" style he is very much into poetry. "Reflections From The Crystal Sea" is Granville Kelley's first book of poetry.

9/14/2018 10:50:16 am

Cecilia Shepard saw zodiac before he donned the mask at 50 feet.
And, her dying words were an attempt at describing him.

Rubislaw 32 link

9/8/2018 09:44:24 am

I believe that,we have to assume,Judith,that the DNA evidence,acquired by the CA DOJ,and garnered,by the FBI,by 2002....

''did'' belong to the man,who is considered to be ''The Zodiac Killer''.

At that time,and after representations,made by Lyndon Lafferty,the then President of the United States,George W.Bush,requested of the US DOJ,that they insruct the CA DOJ,to carry out this work,and,so to speak,''clear the decks'' of suspects,including those,suspected of colluding with ''The Zodiac Killer''.

So it is my understanding,this amounted to about 250 names,which included better known ones,such as ALA,Mr.X,and Don Chaney.

But,nonetheless,I am interested to hear what you have to say about Napa Sheriff Department's claim.

Judith

9/9/2018 08:01:07 am

This would have been around 2012 when Napa Sheriff's informed me of the suspect Matrix. I can then assume that those that were still on the suspect Matrix list could not be eliminated due to DNA results? Would they not need these suspect's DNA results to eliminate them? At that point in time technically speaking our oldest son's DNA should have been entered into CODIS. Having said that, I believe the few markers from the partial DNA sample that SFPD had would have matched about 225,000 males from the Bay Area. Napa Sheriffs also told me that there are a lot of suspects in this Matrix that it was vast. I find it interesting that most of the classical suspects featured on these zodiac websites have been eliminated by law enforcement.
I wonder if this partial DNA has matched any of the profiles discovered recently?

Tom

9/9/2018 10:59:36 am

There is evidence linking the crimes, but no matches to any known POI's. Researching known POI's seems to lead no where.

Rubislaw 32 link

9/9/2018 11:42:08 am

Yes Tom,I believe that really is the crux of the case of The Zodiac Killer.

''That'',specifically,that the CA DOJ have conclusive forensic evidence,that links one perpetrator,as being responsible for LHR,BRS,Berryessa,and Presidio.

However,up to recently,they did not know who ''owned'' the DNA and assorted additional forensics.

Personally,I believe that the CA DOJ and FBI,do know now.So,this notion that some sort of familial DNA hunt,is required....is a falsehood.

But,a conviction is ''everything'',and without confidence,by public prosecutors,of obtaining a conviction....''they'' will most certainly ''not'' be making an arrest.

Rubislaw 32 link

9/9/2018 11:02:12 am

I think that your initial surmise,would be correct,Judith,.....that ''those that were still on the suspect matrix list could not be eliminated due to DNA results.''.

One must bear in mind,that some of these ''leftover'' suspects,were ''only'' suspected of colluding....and some of them,already deceased,and therefore not of great priority,since they can't be prosecuted,anyway.

The implication,as far as I am aware,for example,is that Mr.X was suspected of being a lookout man,in the Paul Stine murder,''only'',and he was anyway eliminated.This is why ''Mike R'' is the most vociferous deniers of the 2002 results,since it does not suit the status of his suspect,Mr.X.

On the other hand,there are ''suspects'',such as Brad Davis,Ted K,and,as far as I am aware Dick Gyke and Larry Kane,that never materialised into official suspects,or even POI's.

So,yes...the Zodiac websites have had a ''curious habit'' of simply inventing suspects,triggered by one person,or the claim of a provincial policeman,once retired,and probably twice removed.

Then these supporters of a so called ''suspect'' start engendering even more speculation,by claiming such ''myths'',as ''The "2002 Scandal'' [!].

Why don't they just write a letter to George W,Bush,and tell him that they believe that the US DOJ,the CA DOJ,and the FBI...were all pulling the wool over his eyes,over the work that was carried out,in 2002 [?].

My only recommendation,is not to buy too much,into what emerges,form out of provincial and city police stations.''They'' are supposed to be the ''servants'' of The Departments of Justice,as well as the public.

But,one shouldn't always have a go at the regular police....sometimes,as in the case of Detective Poyser and the Vallejo Police.....they are just following orders.

My greatest criticism,is usually for the DOJ's.....since they often ''cower'' behind closed doors,when actually responsible,for a falsehood,or deliberate form of procrastination.

And,''ought'' to know better.

Tom link

9/9/2018 02:22:49 pm

There you go again, making too much sense as usual. The odds are pretty good that our friend was interviewed or contacted by some authority some where, but was never linked to the crimes.

Rubislaw 32 link

9/9/2018 03:13:32 pm

Yes,I believe that did happen,but it is only now,that the realisation has emerged,through cross referencing that,had previously been masked.

It is never my intention to be negative,and we,of course,want a conviction to take place,but these Departments of Justice,get up to ''all sorts'',in order to protect a particular case....as I have found out.

''They'' know all the tricks,including ''moral ransom'',deliberately keeping the ''bereaved of victims'',in the dark,regardless of their advanced age,and still knowing nothing of their loved one's final circumstances.And,even ''engineering'' the professional downfall,of very senior policemen,after serving their purpose,related to a case.

This,apart from the ''usual'' lying,misleading,and procrastination,heaped upon politicians and the public,alike.

Who ever told them,that they were supposed to behave like psychopaths,in order to convict one [?].

What sticks,most of all,is that they clearly,and conveniently forget that they are ''pubic servants'',entrusted to serve the best interests,of the public.

But,who is actually serving whom [?].is the real question.

With regard to this,as a perceived wider case,I have told them,that if they fail,then ''history'',as well as the bereaved of victims,will never forgive them.

And,I will personally make efforts to strip them of the ''walls'',that gives them,unfair protection from accountability....and of course,seeming anonymity.

Rubislaw 32 link

9/9/2018 03:32:32 pm

.....I seem to have lost my page number...now,where were we,with Zodiac's claim of being ''swamped out'' [?].

Thanks,Richard.

Alex Lewis

9/9/2018 06:01:07 pm

During the past fe w hundred years even up to the time mid 2010's you would , as was stated in the Finger Docu. by Narlow:

"Usually with a Homicide investigation, you lo to establish motive. If you find the motive for he crime, than you always find those responsible..."

Not today, nowa says if you have suspects DNA & CODIS doesn't find a matching profile, you don't turn to Look for motives,
you turn to look for the Website. . . Ancestry.com!

A similar/close DNA profile on Ancestry.com can, has and will continue to flush the Suspect out by finding his relatives that will have very similar DNA to the suspects.

It's almost in this day & age now a case of when they find a relative, more so than if!
I mean, Zodiac can't run round every Blood relative demanding none of them submit their Genetic Profiles to the website by explaining he was once a Homicide lunatic 'Zodiac', who, incidentally, .is still wanted for First degree murder charges, can He?l

Anyway Rich, just came here to let you know that comic has appeared on the comment section of a YouTube video to ask:

"Why is Richard G ap protectie of J
Kane at his site?"

I too laughed at the at the Question before saying what is factuallt true & acccurate on that you have no Bias, because you no pet theory/suspect. Anyway I have requested He/She ask you direct as I personally took tht question as an obvious wind up attempt.

You could not come here, go over a mix of blogs & comments by you & come away thinking you have a hint of bias for Suspect A over Spct B.

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Alex Lewia

9/9/2018 06:17:02 pm

Once again I apologise for ''predictive text' on this F'ing phone?!

I remember the days when Humans were trusted to write their own words!

Today some pleb decided to invent this f#÷©g annoyance!!

A Program that believes it knows what I wanna say/write better than me the writer!!

Billshite stupid computer program seeming to know it thinks I mean, should say or interpreting it before it & replacing this word with that!!!!

Richard

9/10/2018 12:09:11 am

I have always said Alex, out of a bad bunch of suspects, Kane had at least some redeeming features. You did a great Kane blog, but even you have always accepted the limitations of the information available.
How anybody could come to the conclusion I have any bias to any suspect or not is odd. I don't believe it's any of the suspects named, and certainly don't believe we have reached anywhere near the level of beyond a reasonable doubt for any. And I doubt the latest round of DNA testing will result in any identification either. Its been 6 months now, and I doubt very much it takes half a year to generate a valid profile and run it through a few genealogy sites. The lack of follow up from the optimism of earlier this year is telling.

blue belly AKA BB

9/13/2018 01:21:26 pm

Richard

At the mid way point of this documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1omc5Zec57U
Napa County Sheriffs Dept. Sergeant David Collins
laughs, when he says he did not think this was important:
Cecilia Shepard's last words were that she saw the Zodiac.
At a distance of about 50 feet - she said he stepped from behind
a tree and placed a hood over his head.

She then said he had brown hair that came down over his forehead.
And, was bout six feet - two hundred lbs.
Wearing dark glasses under his mask.

The thing is, he knew she saw him. And, that Brian did not.

Richard

9/14/2018 03:25:35 am

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/through-the-mask

Judith

9/9/2018 06:12:20 pm

So it must have been spring of 2011 I'm thinking that detective James Selby from the California Department of Justice out of San Francisco made arrangements to meet with me in Sacramento. So the California DOJ does come out from behind closed doors on occasion. We met at a Starbucks whereby he introduced to me another agent, not well identified, a female Asian. There were other odd characters sitting here and there, in front of the Starbucks where we agreed to meet. They insisted we go inside and yet there were no tables available. We ended up sitting outside for the interview, it appeared to me there were several agents present.
So let's say the identified killer is deceased. There would be no Fanfare and arrest like the Golden State killer. Law Enforcement can take their time referencing and cross-referencing and checking old crimes before they would make any announcement.

Rubislaw 32 link

9/9/2018 07:22:29 pm

It is certainly worth considering the scenario,Judith,whereby the suspect is dead,as in the case of Peter....and how it plays out.

One must assume that,eventually,the authorities must make a statement,to this effect [?].

I happen to think that he still alive,but if they mess about too long,he is going to die on them,before being brought to justice.Or,if they ''telegraph'' him,that his time is soon to be over,for the purpose of attempting to persuade him,to give himself up.....then,he might go and top himself,as in the Arlis case.

Either dead,or alive,they will also have to consider a possible deluge of private cases brought against the CA DOJ,for mishandling the case.

The case,I believe,is a ticking time bomb,and the CA DOJ only have themselves,to blame,naturally....but they must get on with it,behaving in as dignified manner as they are able,and show everyone,that they possess a degree of competence.

In some ways,I can see that it could have a swift conclusion,from the point of arrest.This could look quite different,from the GSK case,which is likely to be a protracted legal affair,that really could go on for years.

If they can deal with the Zodiac case swiftly,and display professionalism.....they just might be forgiven.

Karen_C

9/10/2018 06:13:45 pm

The Zodiac could have meant anything by the remark about being flooded in. I have heard people say that when it has rained for a few days and they can't be bothered going outside to post a letter or buy some groceries. lol! But people will always try to fashion it into a vital "clew". Well in some ways the Zodiac did seem hydrophobic. He nearly always picked clear weather when undertaking his crimes. Perhaps he knew wet weather tends to leave evidence: tire tracks, footprints, mud transferred from place to place on his boots etc. Or maybe he just didn't like to get wet! Most people don't.

Alex Lewis

9/18/2018 11:11:22 am

But anyways..

Whats the news, if any, on the Vallejo PD and their having submitted Zodiac's DNA (or what is strongly believed to be his DNA at least) to website: Ancestry.com?

As we know they are not looking to find Z himself on this site, but rather, looking for similar profiles that are close enough & share enough of the same Genetic markers as Un-Sub profile does that it would be suggestive the person who submitted it is a relative of the Zodiac?

This was announced by Vallejo back in May that they were going to utilise the online website service to attempt to flush the Z out. It's now mid Sept. and I have heard nothing from this side of the pond and it isn't like it would be if they submitted it to a crime lab and standard 18 months to 3 year wait for results due to huge backlogs.

I upload my DNA Today, I will know tomorrow who my close relative are over a period of time, where they lived & so on?

Why the long delay & silence ? If the Result comes and Announcement made & its: 'No close profiles of significance found to that of submitted Un-Sub DNA them while I'm not opposed to theories some say are conspiracy theories, I will be highly skeptical and suspicious if they claim to have found no similar DNA Genetic Markers to suggest that is likely a relative of Zodiac's. That infers that none of Z's close family nor any relative of his, close or distantly relatedz, has ever used the site & submitted Their DNA & given the time & era we live in where I can hardly turn on a TV without an advertisement for Ancestry.com & how to send in my DNA for a history of my heritage, ancestry & relatives popping up...

I wont blindly accept that as a conclusion. Seems overwhelmingly unlikely!

blue belly

9/21/2018 01:55:01 pm

What's up Alex? Where you been lately?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWzjdRLVshA
the manson family car
at minute 23
manson's murdering maniacs are an avenue i have not studied
much - how about you? what have you discovered?
do you recommend that i go down that rabbit hole?

blue

9/22/2018 10:06:17 am

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/zodiackillernorth/media/cGF0aDovQnVzU3RvcExldHRlci0xLmpwZw==/?ref=

also have you seen this letter?
if the is zodiac he was all over the map.

Rubislaw 32 link

9/29/2018 06:18:50 am

Hi Richard

Just on my ''research travels'',and with acknowledgement of some ''Avery'' work,from Tahoe 27 :

April 20th 1970 : The ''My name is '' cipher letter,with ''....my bus bomb was dud.I was swamped out by rain we had a while back.''

April 22nd 1970 : Paul Avery reports the letter [above],in an article called ''Zodiac sends new letter....Claims ten''.

Having interviewed detectives,Avery indicates that the detectives were expecting a bloodied shirt swatch,which didn't materialise.This,on account of the Belli letter,being Zodiac's previous confirmed correspondence [Dec.20th 1969],which ''did'' contain a bloodied shirt swatch.

Detectives,further add that ''portions of the letter have not been made public'',with reference to this new [April 20th 1970] letter.

April 28th 1970 : Dragon Card - ''Tell everyone about the bus bomb..''

June 26th 1970 : Button Letter - ''..anialating a full School Bus.''

It seems that,it was at this point that,''Detectives'' decided that they had to publish the bomb diagram,that Zodiac had drawn,in the ''My name is'' cipher letter.

The question is,was that ''bomb diagram'' the total,that constituted ''Portions of the letter have not been made public'' [?].

Did Zodiac write more,on perhaps,''flood related'' matters,beyond ''I was swamped out by the rain we had a while back'' [?].

Was the ''bomb diagram'' actually a page 3,of the April 20th letter,as opposed to,a presumed page 2 [?].

Rubislaw 32 link

9/29/2018 11:47:09 am

....it's an interesting possible scenario,that there could have been an extra page to the letter of April 20th 1970.After all,we know that ''detectives'' had admitted to ''Portions of the letter have not been made public''....although later,it did become apparent that,''detectives'' were attempting to ''muffle'' the impact of a second bomb,promised from the Zodiac.

There seem to be a surprising amount of observers,that are not persuaded by the authenticity of the Exorcist Letter,in spite of the fact that it is officially confirmed,as belonging to the Zodiac.

I see it as ''every inch'' Zodiac authentic.....but it is a final page of a longer letter.

These little mysteries will be cleared up,when Zodiac is brought to justice.

Part of our reward,for endeavours.

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