A GOOD CITIZEN

11/9/2018

With immense gratitude and credit to 'Rubislaw32' and 'Nobody,' another correspondence mailed to Sergeant John Lynch has been comprehensively discussed on 'The Concerned Citizen' article. This correspondence was mailed on October 7th 1969, just two months after the "concerned citizen" card and four days before the murder of Paul Stine in Presidio Heights on October 11th 1969. It has been dubbed the "good citizen" letter, postmarked San Mateo and signed ''A good citizen", and with a footnote from Sergeant John Lynch, it stated that the writer has a strong feeling of ESP. While having these feelings, the writer writes with a pencil. On occasion, while thinking of the code letters, the pencil wrote: ''Go to 56 Beach Street. I get the name Jerry, perhaps he knows people or his name is XXXXXXX''.

City Directory lists no Jerry XXXXXXX. Beach Street starts in the 1100 block. Beechwood Street starts in the 700 block.
Sergeant Lynch 1969, Vallejo Police Department.

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Beach Street runs from Pier 39 to the Maritime Museum, however, despite what Google maps indicates, there is no 56 Beach Street present today. Thanks to 'Nobody':"56 Beach St is the old block numbering from the original planning maps, which comes out as 1654/1656 on the street numbering. 1654/56 Beach St, San Francisco, CA is a condo home that contains 2,141 sq ft and was built in 1938".

"During the 1960s, California was the site of many outdoor art fairs, which nurtured a culture of independent artists and craftspersons. At this time there was an effort to sell crafts on the sidewalks of the liberal Haight-Ashbury neighborhood of San Francisco. Artists and street performers who illegally set up in public areas were frequently harassed and arrested by the police. In the 700 block of Beach Street adjacent to Victorian Park and near Fisherman's Wharf, between 15 and 25 artists would set up their displays and use lookouts to alert them to the arrival of the police". Wikipedia.

Sergeant Lynch couldn't locate a 56 Beach Street in 1969, so considered Beechwood Street starting in the 700 block. This location was actually Beechwood Drive, Daly City, CA 94015 and it is 8.6 miles from Beach Street, San Francisco.
This clearly indicates that Sergeant Lynch was considering the letter from the standpoint of San Francisco due to its proximity to San Mateo.

The question that arises from this letter, is were the "concerned citizen" and "good citizen" communications designed by the same author or linked in any way? The first supplied a code key relating to the 408 cipher, solved by Donald Gene and Bettye June Harden of Salinas, California. The second referred to "code letters" - and both correspondences were mailed to Sergeant John Lynch. Bearing in mind the "concerned citizen" card wasn't mentioned in any newspapers, does this increase the significance of the October 7th 1969 mailing?
U.S. Route 101 or U.S. Highway 101 links Salinas, San Mateo and Beach Street. Paul Stine picked up the Zodiac in the proximity of Union Square on October 11th 1969. The "good citizen" letter was mailed only four days earlier and mentioned ESP and Beach Street - a location that is only 1.4 miles from Union Square.

Without knowing more about this communication and its exact contents, this analysis must be treated with caution.

# "Zener cards are cards used to conduct experiments for extrasensory perception (ESP) or clairvoyance. Perceptual psychologist Karl Zener (1903–1964) designed the cards in the early 1930s for experiments conducted with his colleague, parapsychologist J. B. Rhine (1895–1980). The original series of experiments have been discredited and replication has proved elusive. The Zener cards are a deck of twenty five cards, five of each symbol. The five symbols are: a hollow circle, a plus sign, three vertical wavy lines, a hollow square, and a hollow five-pointed star. They are used to test for ESP." Wikipedia.

Richard

11/9/2018 01:40:56 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_-x2_hXC2g

Rubislaw 32 link

11/9/2018 02:15:42 pm

Nice that you have given this subject,an airing of its own,Richard.

And,credit to you for highlighting the existence of a 56 Beach Street,in San Francisco,and forcing the police report of the letter,out of cold storage.

''concerned citizen'',''A good citizen'',''A citizen'',''A friend''....its starting to look like quite a little collection,of ''names by description'',for the Zodiac [?].

Shawn

11/10/2018 08:42:45 am

I guess "Citizen Kane" is the Zodiac.

He has been a suspect.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/10/2018 06:17:51 pm

Or even ''Citizen Caen'',Shawn.

Zodiac did like his ''play on words'',after all.

[...not that ''darling'' of SF, ''His Herb-ness'',could possibly considered as the Zodiac...]

Nobody

11/9/2018 10:08:00 pm

Wow, I had never heard of those cards before, but now that you mention it, they could have provided at least one source for the symbols he used. None of us are saying the Zodiac had ESP of course, but when you look for connections between the citizen letters an the Zodiac, there could indeed be subtle connections. The Zodiac was seldom clear. It seems to me he liked to hint about various realities in obscure ways. It was as if he was constantly taunting the police with little mind games.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/10/2018 08:46:43 am

Looking back,I believe I raised this issue of Lynch's report,at Ricardo Gomez's site,about three years ago.

I just had a couple of ''takers'',and it was established that Lynch's claimed conclusions,were correct,with respect to Vallejo.

But,in a more general overview,it came down,to whether [ a presumed] Zodiac,was telegraphing confusion,as to whether he might have had intentions,to make his escape,after a taxi drivers murder,via The Bay Bridge,as opposed to The Golden Gate Bridge.

The ''debate'' just did not go very far.

But now,with more discussion input,it seems much clearer that,The Bay Bridge was never in Zodiac's intentions,to convey,in the ''A good citizen'' letter.....albeit,we know not its full contents.

It seems more likely,that Zodiac's ''message of confusion'',on a fundamental level,telegraphed by inference,that his escape,was to a place,that would still have been,under the jurisdiction of the SFPD.

And perhaps,more specifically,that it would be in the North Beach vicinity,and its associations with the ''Beatnik'' Bohemian,bookish and artisan fraternity.

Further comments on this,would be welcome.

Tom1

11/10/2018 12:50:09 pm

I am a little slow on this but that is the norm. What does the good citizen letter have to do with an escape route out of SF?. I must have missed something in the note itself.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/10/2018 01:55:43 pm

Sorry Tom 1....if I or this confuses...and you have every right to bring up the question.

Most that work through the ''likelihood'' scenario,of Zodiac's escape,after Stine's murder....and don't have an identified Zodiac,in mind....see,his general route,as across The Golden Gate Bridge,heading north.

The''A good citizen'' letter,suggests Zodiac's escape,as directly east,across the northern coast,of the San Francisco headland.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/10/2018 09:03:34 am

...a point being,perhaps,that the ''56 Beach Street'' was just a ruse,with respect to ''Vallejo''....and that Zodiac may have always intended to telegraph,his intentions to extricate himself,from the SF headland...but just by another route,''other'' than The Golden Gate Bridge.

Yes,a geographic synopsis,can get a bit confusing....but this,in essence,what Zodiac intended,for the cops.

That,the investigating police,after Paul Stine's murder,should be scratching their heads.

Richard

11/10/2018 09:21:10 am

We cannot know for certain that the Beach Street mentioned was certainly San Francisco. It was obviously considered by Lynch because of his confusion with Beechwood Street and Beechwood Drive, and its proximity to San Mateo. The only Jerry we can link to a Zodiac attack, is the Jerry who found the injured Mageau. His last name was 8 letters long however and didn't live in a Beach St or Beechwood St, although Mageau was listed as 864 Beechwood St by some newspapers. Could this have featured in Sergeant Lynch's thinking, because of the Vallejo connection. It's something I don't fully rule out, because the "Good Citizen" mailed it from San Mateo to Vallejo, not San Mateo to San Francisco. And we know there is a Beach St close to the payphone.
In fact, Beach St is only 0.4 miles or 1 minutes drive to Vallejo Police Department. So wouldn't a letter sent to Sergeant Lynch at VPD, containing a reference to Beach St, have more relevance to this location, despite not being a 56. Maybe Nobody can grab the land registry details for when it was built.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Vallejo+Police+Department,+Amador+Street,+Vallejo,+CA,+USA/Beach+St,+California+94590,+USA/@38.0978353,-122.2425813,17z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x80857372d0be3c33:0x4247687d3727b507!2m2!1d-122.2436037!2d38.0999442!1m5!1m1!1s0x8085730bb6186b13:0x54b18a4ec752b207!2m2!1d-122.2391885!2d38.0963513!3e0

Richard

11/10/2018 09:04:09 am

The day before the October 7th 1969 "Good Citizen" letter, on October 6th 1969, Sergeant John Lynch from the Vallejo Police Department interviewed Arthur Leigh Allen, with Allen stating that he traveled to Salt Point Ranch, located on the coast, due west of Napa on September 26th 1969 for a spot of scuba diving.
Just another reference point for consideration.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/10/2018 09:48:53 am

Interesting about the Arthur Leigh Allen interview....had no idea.

All these extra details are worth putting in the pot,for overall consideration.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/10/2018 10:31:41 am

Just on the ''jurisdiction'' point,Richard.....it does seem that Zodiac avoided parking his getaway car in military grounds,in part with knowledge of jurisdiction,in mind.

Had Zodiac done so,it would only have been,a ''temporary haven'',with no real benefits.

I'm all in for the park...to a planned exit gate,to his car parked on a conventional street.....then,with the north end of The Golden Gate Bridge,as his minimum goal.

Which adds some credulity to the ''A good citizen'' letter,as an invested tool,of retrospective diversion.

Judith

11/10/2018 11:16:36 am

Interesting approach regarding psychics and the Zodiac case. I once did a little research as sometimes the clairvoyants are correct when working with police departments. I spoke on the phone with Jeannie Borgen a psychic from Pinole California where Peter and I lived, and she believed that the Zodiac Killer had contacted her. I once thought of organizing an event perhaps at Blue Rock Springs with a group of Psychics to see what kind of feedback we might get.

Shawn

11/10/2018 11:41:59 am

Another Noted Psychic back then (ESP?) was noted in Graysmith book. This is a quote from ZK.com

"Joseph Delouise a well known psychic from Chicago got involved in the Z case and offered his insights and claimed that he was getting signals from Z, and came to SF to aide if he could, in capturing Zodiac."

Drew

11/10/2018 12:54:03 pm

Delouise allegedly "conjured" the name of Darlene Ferrin's ex-husband, a darn fine suspect but who along with the rest of the suspects was likely not Zodiac. I assume he was informed in detail by an invested third party, a publicist named Chris Harris who would return to the case throughout the years supporting various far-flung theories, but it remains an interesting chapter in the case nonetheless.

OCINAZ

11/10/2018 03:01:54 pm

Leslie Harden claimed her mother Bettye Harden had some sort of 'psychic' insight.
With the Concerned Citizen card possibly being sent from the Hardens & the Good Citizen card mentioning ESP sometimes I wonder if they were sent by Bettey....

Rubislaw 32 link

11/10/2018 06:37:58 pm

Oh...I've found a clew.in ''Scorpion'' 's S5 solution,about 25 years later :

A section that reads : UNIVERSITY UGLIES.ESPRESSO NYP.....

Subliminal reference : university ug L I E S E S P resso nyp....

That Scorpion/Zodiac had the memory of an Elephant.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/10/2018 07:12:05 pm

.....you'll have to forgive me,but even I am stunned.

''MARE VIEW''.....then, ''LIES ESP''

There is more in the S5 solution,than meets the eye,initially.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/11/2018 02:08:09 am

Indeed...with respect to the solution to Scorpion's S5 cipher :

Scorpion employs the expression,'' HYBRID GENDERS'',in reference to hermaphrodite prostitutes,more usually referred to,as ''Lady Boys''.

Within this expression,we can view ''hy B R I D G E N D ers'',an adaptation of ''BRIDGE END''.

The popular perception of Zodiac's escape,after murdering Paul Stine,is that he set the north end of the The Golden Gate Bridge,as his goal.This,since that north end,represents the end of SFPD jurisdiction.

So,contained in Scorpion's cipher solution,there are,perhaps,two references to the Stine murder :

''Bridge End'',and ''Lies ESP'',as possibly referring to the ''A good citizen'' 's real telegraphing of the North Beach,nevertheless a ruse,on where Zodiac intended to escape,to.

Further subliminal ''inlays'' emerge in the ''S5'' solution,including '' INGOT'',from ''sendING OTher'',''PEOPLE FORT'' and ''FEE FAG'',with a nod to the Halloween Card,perhaps.With ''INGOT'' referring to the riddle posed,in The 1988 New Canaan Letters cipher.

''MARE VIEW'',of course,emerging,as a result of ''cold eneMA REVIEW''.

Yes,Scorpion/Zodiac [?] could be a naughty and vulgar man,when it suited his purposes.

For this topic,''Bridge End'' and ''Lies ESP'' do seem quite compelling,as inferences,representing two different means of Zodiac's escape,following the Presidio Heights ''escapade''.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/11/2018 02:36:23 am

If any of your readers are further interested,Richard,''Rubislaw 32'' 's solution to Scorpion's S1 and S5 ciphers,can be found at the cipher section of zodiackilliermystery.freeforums.net

This section contains all the solutions to Zodiac's ciphers,and has come to be known,as ''Mr.Oranchak's fountain of truth.''

Thanks for the plug.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/11/2018 07:38:16 pm

Just to give mention,of suspects,at the time of the report,by Sgt Lynch,on the ''A good citizen'' letter.

Richard has given mention to Arthur Leigh Allen,who was certainly,on the radar of the Vallejo Police,and spoken to,a number times,as well as his sister-in-law and various social associates.

As Drew and Shawn have referred to,professional mystic,Joseph De Louise.De Louise,more on the basis of his belief that Jim Phillips/Crabtree was responsible for the murder of Darlene Ferrin.Naturally,Phillips was on local police force's radar anyway,being Darlene's first husband.

And,we see with the Beach Street address,at North Beach,the close proximity of Grant Avenue.This surname being shared,at the time,by Darlene's sister Pam,as a married surname....and William Joseph Grant.Grant being,perhaps,the first ''grown up'' suspect of the murders,at Lake Herman Road,after the contemporaries of David and Betty Lou,had been investigated.

Grant remained a suspect,but it seems,more on the basis,of a belief by the police,that Zodiac was using him,as a tool of blame.And therefore,saw in Grant,a possible means of leading the police,to Zodiac,himself.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/12/2018 04:38:14 am

Just homing in,on the subject of WJGrant....why was he a suspect,in the first place.A 48 year old man from Fairfield,with a known problem,for alcoholism and gambling.And,as became soon apparent to the police,an active user of male prostitutes,despite being a married man.

In retrospect,there are a number clues,that emerge,suggesting that Zodiac,was using Grant,as a blame tool.

But there is no known,and official reason,why Grant became,a person,of interest,in the case of the Zodiac.Starting at Lake Herman Road,with chief investigating officer,Leslie Lunbad,suspecting Grant of being the Zodiac,for the rest of Lunblad's life.

One reason,certainly comes to mind,despite lack of documentation,in the public domain.

This being,that it became apparent,to investigating police,that the cars used,in the Bay Area attacks,seemed by description,alone,to be ones that Grant owned,at the time.

The inference is,that Zodiac,was impersonating Grant,as a car owner.

Lori F

11/12/2018 02:14:37 pm

Thank you for all of this info. I do have a question though. If Z did have the goal of escaping the jurisdiction of the SF police, why? Anyone anywhere could have stopped him and made an arrest upon fleeing the murder. Why did he not want SF to do so???

Rubislaw 32 link

11/12/2018 04:51:28 pm

It's a good point,Lori F.

I believe that,in assessing,his overall strategy,for what was in effect,a ''project'' killing,Zodiac understood that,his priority was to abscond successfully.

Zodiac had,more than probably,been inspired by this sort of crime,taking place,on a regular basis,in Belfast,at that time.The luring of a taxi driver,to a relatively quieter part of a city,for the purposes of execution.

The project killing still presented risks of failure...but he would have to get away,regardless of a successful slaying.

So,it must have become apparent,to Zodiac,that he would increase his chances of absconding successfully,if he could remove himself from the jurisdiction,for which he had committed the crime,and further add as much distance away from that jurisdiction,as he was able.

Two factors were probably up for consideration :

Facility of communication would be against Zodiac,if he remained in the SFPD's jurisdiction.The co-ordination of police to catch ''the assailant'' ought to have been keen and professional.

And secondly,that the sooner Zodiac,did remove himself from the SFPD's jurisdiction,the greater the chance that the SFPD,would have to negotiate with a neighbouring jurisdiction,for assistance....and that,even if the SFPD would have had a good idea,in what actual direction ''the assailant'' had headed.

In just looking at the geographic location,of Presidio Heights,and given what we now know,that Zodiac hoped to achieve....it appears obvious that,the far side of The Golden Gate Bridge,was Zodiac's ''target'' for escape.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/13/2018 08:39:18 am

Yes,Richard,I have registered with this ''Beechwood'' Drive/Street address at Daly City.

Naturally,we can't be sure of the whole contents of the ''A good citizen'' letter,but there was obviously something,that motivated Lynch to a check out a ''Beechwood'',somewhere.

If Daly City,is the spot,then a further confusing inference,by ''A good citizen''/Zodiac,perhaps [?].

That,there were suggestions contained in the letter that,Stine's perpetrator might have been telegraphing an escape South,as well as East.following the murder.

When logic and probability,suggests North,across the Golden Gate Bridge.

Lori F

11/13/2018 10:08:02 am

Thank you Rubislaw. I find your theory very logical and compelling. My wish list:

1.They finally id the Z;
2. He is alive and can be arrested;
3. He agrees to answer all questions. I think all of you contributors to this site could keep him answering for years!

:)

Rubislaw 32 link

11/13/2018 10:36:14 am

A pleasure Lori F.

I believe that the answer to ''1'' is that they have already done so,and that he is alive.But whether they get round to arresting him,before he ''expires'',remains in the lap of the gods.

Only yesterday,I informed a ''DOJ'' through a detective sergeant,that ''history'' wasn't going to wait,indefinitely.

Naturally,my ''positive extortion'' will largely fall on deaf ears.

I have just been checking up on the 1990 Celebrity Cipher.Lyndon Lafferty walked out of the VPD,with the photocopy copy,that can now be generally viewed.

We see just the cipher text side,of what is,as Lafferty was informed,a picture postcard,in its original form.

The picture apparently depicts a sandy beach,with driftwood washed up,on that beach.

Does ''driftwood'' washed up,on a beach,become ''Beach Wood'' ?

And,on a ''Beach'' ?

Catch my drift [?].

Two_Buck_Chuck

3/21/2020 07:36:18 am

I find this astonishing Rubislaw 32. Are you implying that LE has identified Z? Are you serious? Understanding your circumspection, what further can you tell us about this?

Lori F

11/13/2018 11:53:34 am

Yes interesting "drift"...

Lori F

11/13/2018 01:01:45 pm

So if they have already identified Z, he is alive, but they are in no hurry to make the arrest, do you believe he is already locked up, whether in prison or an institution, or otherwise?

Rubislaw 32 link

11/13/2018 01:49:06 pm

Well,this is really from a personal point of view,and I am not posting,in order,to persuade others.I have to comment,in a relatively cryptic sense,since I don't want to spoil,for the judiciary,a potential outcome.

But I do have to wonder,''where'' they are actually going with this.

''Zodiac'' remains free,since public prosecutors,are yet to be satisfied,that they have constructed a robust enough prosecution case,against him.

If they arrest him now,they may lose him to judicial ''scrutiny'',for good.

If at all possible,they have to wait until they are confident of a conviction.

''They'' have ''signalled'' to him,at least twice,in the last two years,to give himself up.But he is not moving.''They'' will have to make the first move.

And this is,where I might suggest,lies the potential folly,of jumping in,and arresting GSK,when no one seems to be sure of the GSK's human rights,given the means that were employed,to identify him.

I believe,with ''Zodiac'',they are determined to proceed ''by the book''.But,this strategy,could equally end in failure.

Lori F

11/13/2018 03:06:03 pm

That makes sense. They do not want to risk his escaping justice/penalty for the crimes. It is just so frustrating!!

Rubislaw 32 link

11/13/2018 04:44:22 pm

Indeed,Lori F.

Often,there appears to be a moral Catch 22,attached to these cases of multiple serious crimes.

Could,perhaps,the CA DOJ have waited on a GSK arrest,until they were confident of the consequences.We must celebrate that he is off our streets,but how long are the authorities supposed to justify a period of remand,without trial [?].

I suspect that the judiciary are confident of a Zodiac conviction,eventually.But,we see only too clearly,that that would be on the basis that Zodiac remains alive,to be prosecuted.The judiciary can only see,understandably,that there is no successful outcome to be had,without having constructed a winnable prosecution.

I don't pretend to know much about forensics,but it appears that the authorities were confident of an eventual conviction,in the Arlis Perry case,a few years back.It seemed to require many and iterative laboratory work,to produce forensics evidence,that would stand up,in court.

When they were ready,they went for Crawford.....and he committed suicide,before they could arrest him.

This is a science,after all,dealing with human beings.Human beings that are prone to not always behave in a manner,that one might expect.

How will it be for the Zodiac [?],if they need another three years,to at least convince a defence counsel,that it is no longer a case worth fighting.

11/14/2018 09:10:54 am

Rubislaw 32

http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?p=468

11/14/2018 09:32:10 am

San Francisco Examiner
Saturday, December 9, 1967

NURSE FOUND SLAIN IN MARIN -- 9 SHOTS

Victim of multiple of gun wounds, the body of
a blonde, blue-eyed nurse was found yesterday in a
wild, desolate part of Marin's Point Reyes National Seashore. She was identified through fingerprints as Barbara Jane Parkin, 34, of 2224C Grant St., Berkeley, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Richard B. Parkin of 218 Nebraska, St., Vallejo.

Lori F

11/14/2018 12:55:10 pm

Good info BB. They all seem quite intertwined.

11/14/2018 03:05:02 pm

Vallejo High School Grad - 1956 - Les Lunblad Jr. Shot his wife dead
His father Les Lunblad senior was the LHR investigating cop 12-20-68

Rick Crabtree took his father's 22 rifle and shot his brother dead. Crabtree's family used-to live off PINE St. and Sheridan St. in a trailer park they owned. Rick was the 1/2 brother of James Crabtree.

Howard "Buzz" Gordon was in an ongoing fight with Richard Hoffman. Buzz is the uncle related to Racer Jeff Gordon. And, was married to Sandy Betts when she found the Mask in his car.

Convoluted case

11/14/2018 04:12:12 pm

Lori F
Intertwined like the Gordian Knot.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/14/2018 03:18:08 pm

Thanks for the information,BB.

Particularly,on Barbara Jane Parkin,of whom I previously knew nothing.

First impressions are,that this case,could have certainly been one,that the police began to suspect Arthur Leigh Allen [?]

She was part of the diving/swimming community.An ex-neighbour and Hogan contemporary of Allen.

But,in the course of the rest of Allen's life,no evidence ever became compelling,that Allen ever killed anyone.

I have always had Zodiac,as an outsider,who moved to Vallejo,through work,circa February 1968.But,there are even greater ''unknowns'',between April 1967 and February 1968,and Barbara Parkin's murder falls into that time period.

Lots of bullets and a beach,reminds us of the Domingos/Edwards case,Santa Barbara 1963 [?].

The police only listen to a certain amount,at one time,and recently I have focused on speaking up,for the bereaved of victims,and their perceived treatment.But I will be making a point,on victims suspected,to be the work of the Zodiac,next time.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/14/2018 03:22:47 pm

One sometimes wonders,how ''mad'' was that world,back then [?].

Miss Betts ought to know.

11/14/2018 03:58:22 pm

Talk about - ought to know - Judith had it beaten into her.
She knows more than anyone. Judith should get a medal for surviving that monster Peter. Her credibility is through the roof with me. She has put up with a lot vetting, and has never stumbled.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/14/2018 10:57:38 pm

Yes,I wouldn't be too inclined to be persuaded on the costume story,from Miss Betts.This was found,in her car,after a children's fancy dress party.

Miss Betts also has a claim about a bloodied bible,and her keeping of cut clothesline ties,in a safety deposit box,at a bank,should a prosecution lawyer,need them as evidence,at a crucial moment in the trial of ''her'' suspect,as the Zodiac.

She appears to have been ''friends'' with almost every character,in the whole Zodiac saga.One is even inclined to be persuaded that the ''saga'' was actually about her,with the Zodiac,in a supporting role.

The actual significance of Buzz Gordon was that he dated both Miss Betts and Darlene Ferrin.

A case of them having to share the same cop [?].

I had to be careful about spelling that last word correctly.For ''factual accuracy'',as much as anything.

11/14/2018 03:32:47 pm

Nikki Benedict was stabbed to death on May 1, 1967 that is between April 1967 and February 1968. Still unsolved.

Also, Arthur Leigh Allen taught little kids the trampoline - apparently preparing them for diving. I'm guessing. Anyways - remember the Zodiac saying something about kids bouncing?

11/14/2018 04:09:01 pm

Rubislaw 32

The Zodiac Killer Insight Series

On YouTube this series covers the Nikki Benedict murder.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/14/2018 04:31:47 pm

Thanks BB.

I've just looked up on Nikki Benedict,again...stabbed 48 times....that's really talking ''frenzied''.Some suggestions are,that the perpetrator was around her age.....and she was only 14.

Indeed,Judith ''is'' a survivor,and has opened my eyes up,again,to the possibilities of more murders,than has usually been perceived.

I still don't think that Allen was a killer.Someone that needed attention,and a bit ''rough and ready''.But no killer.

Zodiac perceived himself as a ''sophisticate'' inside,and had a sophisticate's humour.But he was also a sadist,and never forgave rejection.All bottled up,and ready for retribution,when the moment suited.

He never forgot,and could never really console himself,other than take it out,by stealth,on others.

The ultimate creep.

Rubislaw 32 link

11/15/2018 05:33:09 am

BB,it had occurred to me,and had you,in mind....

I have alluded to Arthur Leigh Allen,and believed that he was ''no killer''.

Of course I can't actually ''know'' the answer,but on the basis of FBI findings 2002/2003,both Allen and Grant were eliminated,as Zodiac suspects.

The ''extra'' I have,apart from what might be interpreted from documentation,is from Lafferty and Toschi.Toschi started to receive letters from Allen,when Allen was serving time,for statutory rape,offering to help Toschi find the Zodiac,when Allen was released.

It seems that even Toschi had come round to the idea,that Allen had got over the initial thrill of being suspected,as the Zodiac,and focusing on a more serious consideration,to the implications,of that suspicion.

Lyndon Lafferty,knew Allen from childhood,and all the way through school.Lafferty thought it ''laughable'' that investigating police,had Allen,on their radar.

The question,BB,is really about,what your feelings are about ''killers'' being born,with this inclination....or,does come about through ''nurture'' or training,as in the military.

Since you have mentioned your role,as a trained sniper,in the past,perhaps you might be the best person,to pass comment [?].

11/15/2018 09:50:44 am

Back in Reagan's 1984 when I woke to the hell you call the cold war - we did not call is PTSD when I served - Now it is called PTSD but back then nobody knew shit. And so we were left on our own. In fact it was worse. They blamed us for our state. Calling us pussy's.
As for the training - it was brain washing. They called it getting ready, or conditioning. But it was brutal. Violence was second nature. They taught us to lay in wait at the areas where the "bad guys" would come down for a drink of water. It was all immoral. They appealed to and promoted your dark side (that we all have). They brought out that side of you. They had different names for everything. Racist slurs etc. They snuck it in - through prejudice back slapping brotherhood slang. I was a low E1-E3 so being on the bottom of that totem pole was the definition of hell. As they (the officers) never got their hands dirty. And, we were bullied to the point of suicide. I witnessed it multiple times. They say we kill ourselves at a clip of 22 a day. I watched my brother do himself. That is what I know.
We should be put in a probationary period for the first 3-6 years when we come home. Not to take our rights away permanent but to suspend our rights to bare arms for a period to acclimate. To make the adjustment back into the world. As to the most recent incident of a Marine with PTSD in Thousand Oaks. This is the fault of the NRA. Not allowing us to have a rational discussion. Appealing to our dark side. When you emotionally pollute an issue with those appeals to peoples irrational side - then you shut down the conversation. Peace

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11/15/2018 10:07:00 am

Very moving.And yes,of course,the Marine at Thousand Oaks,has highlighted the subject,again,and shown that ''some elements'' still don't choose to recognise the potential consequences of PTSD.

Perhaps come some way,in 100 years,when men in The Great War,were often just thought to be ''cowards'',and taken out and shot,for cowardice.

But,not far enough.

And yes,''suicide'' is a much bigger problem for conflict serving men,in the military,than the military would care to admit.

Lori F

11/15/2018 12:42:27 pm

That actually is very moving BB.

Lori F

11/15/2018 12:29:21 pm

Good grief BB! Let's hope we can unravel it instead of cutting it!

Toots

11/26/2018 08:25:43 pm

There is a Beach Street Inn & Suites located in Santa Cruz, CA, right on the boardwalk, great surfing spot. It's been there since the 1940s. Could the young runaway "Sandy" have stayed there prior to meeting James L. Coleman (16) and J.C. Reed, Jr. (17) at the beach boardwalk in Santa Cruz, CA.

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