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Zodiac: Cool, Calm, Collected & then Gone

10/1/2016

 
This article was written by Alex Lewis (Welsh Chappie), whose own site detailing Zodiac suspect Lawrence Kane, can be found here.

 It has been alleged that the Widow of Officer Eric Zelms did once, when directly asked, tell that Her Late Husband Eric did in fact disclose to Her that He and Don had stopped & spoken to a White Male near Jackson and Maple Intersection. Eric is alleged to Have told His Wife Diana: 

 "We did speak to an individual walking down the Hill away from the crime area. He did absolutely nothing to cause us to be suspicious and answered all our questions. He was completely calm and did not give us any indications that He was nervous or had committed any wrong doing. He didn't stand out, He looked like the average Man."

 Dianna Stated that when it came to light Two days later that it was actually 'Zodiac' responsible and they'd likely spoke to the Most Wanted Man in America that night, Eric felt bad and from that day right up to the day He died, His widow said He never went anywhere without carrying the composite drawing and hoping against hope He would come across Him again.

 
 It had been noted many times by those who observed Zodiac that He appeared to have little concern or care for His potential to  be Seen or Apprehended. The most obvious of examples is His executing Paul Stine in the middle of an Intersection and proceeding to hang around ripping pieces of Paul's shirt off, wiping both the Interior and Exterior of the Yellow Cab that was His chosen crime scene, before witnesses stated He "Casually Walked away down Cherry Street."
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It's one thing to act inconspicuous and not run from the scene when there's no direct and imminent threat of apprehension along Cherry, but quite another to approach Cops calling you to them and remain as cool and calm as He seemed to have when He knows that if Don asks "Do you have any objections to Me patting you down real quick, Sir?" then it's game over. He is either arrested carrying a concealed weapon & overwhelmingly incriminating items such as Stine's Wallet & Blood soaked Shirt or He pulls the gun and it's all out war.

 His completely calm and non panicked appearance could be suggestive of A Military Background where He has been in active combat and as such, has been trained to remain calm in the face of extreme danger.

​ Comments and Ideas welcome. . .
Richard
10/2/2016 12:59:28 am

I believe Diane Zelms because she has no invested reasons to lie about the case. Eric Zelms at the time may either have been backing up Donald Fouke, the senior officer, as well as the SFPD in keeping this meeting under wraps. By Diane coming out with this account she is in effect stating her husband was partly involved in hiding the meeting with the Zodiac, for which he deeply regretted and the fact they missed the best opportunity to catch the Zodiac Killer. She knew disbelievers would pour scorn and question this revelation and had nothing to gain from it, but did it anyway. Additionally she only replied by email when prompted, it wasn't like she made a video or wrote a book seeking attention. In my opinion Welsh the days are long gone whether to question if Zodiac was stopped, the evidence, timeline and statements from Armond Pelissetti and Donald Fouke himself underwrite the obvious.
I believe Zodiac, although not the master criminal he has been painted in folklore and rode his luck several times, when the cop car rolled up on Jackson Street, Donald Fouke and Eric Zelms were in effect sitting ducks in their patrol car, as was Richard Radetich, so Zodiac with his gun seconds from his grasp had the upperhand and although not totally at ease, he knew if his story failed to convince, he always had a back up and as we know was not afraid to use it. In fact truth be told, Donald Fouke and Eric Zelms were probably lucky to escape with their lives that night. It also dispels the myth of Zodiac being covered in blood that night and having rested Paul Stine's head in his lap, which was simply not the case. Armond Pelissetti said two things in the 2007 documentary in that he was of the belief Donald Fouke stopped and spoke to someone, but at the same time he is sure Donald Fouke would have noticed the shine of blood, so didn't think it was Zodiac. If Donald Fouke gives a near perfect description to the teenagers and the timeline and admission of Zodiac places him at the exact position in Jackson to Donald Fouke's timeline from Presidio Avenue, it simply cannot be anyone else other than Zodiac. The fact Zodiac apparently showed little urgency or care that night was apparent in all of his crime, Lake Berryessa being the obvious. Who gets behind a tree, dons a costume and engages in dialogue for a prolonged period, with people still in the vicinity at 6.15pm and still light, if they are timid, apprehensive and nervous. This man was not a mastermind, but he was clearly confident in his ability to evade capture, either by cunning or force and neither was he afraid to use.

Alex Lewis
10/2/2016 01:19:47 am

No question I believe Her and Her statement Rich, and She said Eric had told Her it was The Department that gave Don and Eric orders to not mention or admit stopping and speaking to the probable suspect.

That's why I brought up the point of Z appearing so calm because I believe Eric'd widow in that Eric told Her that He and Don had no reason to suspect The Man, He answered their questions calmly and did not seem in any way suspicious.

Hey Rich, I didn't know this. . .

In 1994, Rider Mcdowell wrote a feature entitled ‘On the Trail of The Zodiac’ in which He played recordings of three Men’s voices speaking in a recorded conversation to Bryan Hartnell.
Hartnell was not told One voice was suspect Kane & the other two random men of Similar Age.

Hartnell listened to all Three and stated: “The Third Voice! The Third Voice and his speech pattern is certainly consistent with the voice I heard, although it’s been too long to be certain.” The Third Voice was that of Lawrence Kane.

Interesting to say the least!

Richard
10/2/2016 01:31:10 am

It's extremely strange therefore that when the SFPD did eventually come clean on November 12th 1969 that the typed worded statement supposedly issued on behalf of Donald Fouke, ended with Donald Fouke stating he didn't know whether Eric Zelms saw the suspect on Jackson or not. Why not just make the statement on behalf of both officers. It smacks of a grudgingly half admission.

Richard
10/2/2016 01:39:19 am

I posted this on another article regarding the souvenirs Zodiac took or supposedly didn't take during the four crimes. It has relevance because I am now of the opinion Zodiac never took Paul Stine's glasses.
Alex, this document shows the search details for Arthur Leigh Allen's house at 32 Fresno years after the attacks. At 9.08 into this video it shows the items to look out for. One section states 'Any personal items that may be linked to Cecelia Shepard or Bryan Hartnell'. The hooded costume, Wing Walkers and knife are already mentioned prior to this entry, suggesting investigators are to look for personal items directly connected to the two victims. Higher up the list it states 'Any personal items that may be linked to Darlene Ferrin or Michael Mageau'. Hard to spot but the same thing is stated for David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen. From what we have been led to believe, only Paul Stine had personal items removed, mentioned in the document as portions of grey and white shirt, the wallet and identification of Paul Stine, Yellow taxicab keys and anything that may be linked with Paul Stine. Is it possible that other items were taken from the other crime scenes and withheld, so the killer could effectively verify he was the author of any letters written by describing what he had taken, but never did.
If investigators knew nothing was taken from the scene of say Lake Berryessa, why ask people to look for any personal items connected to the two victims. In the Paul Stine case this obviously wasn't necessary to withhold information about the crime, because the killer completely linked himself to the crime with the shirt piece, hence full disclosure of all the items in this search document ie; keys, wallet and ID. But in the other three cases they mention personal items but don't list them. Was this a need to know basis. Why search for items personally connected to the victims that supposedly were never taken. It seems a bit odd. If items were taken from the victims, it would be understandable that the police would withhold this information, as they did with the 'By Knife' written on Bryan Hartnell's vehicle and regarding certain letters, deliberately designed to invoke a response from the Zodiac Killer.
https://youtu.be/XDy47Q_K9iI?t=9m7s

Richard
10/2/2016 02:07:47 am

This is what Michael Butterfield posted on Zodiac Killer Facts forum as Donald Fouke's response to the revelation; “I don’t know when (Eric) talked to the Zodiac because he was in the car with me and we never stopped.” Fouke recalled that Zelms had not seen the man that night and that they did not discuss the sighting until later that evening. “Well, Zelms was riding along with me and didn’t say anything. It’s the only time that Eric Zelms and I worked together that I remember,” Fouke said. “In the station I think I asked Eric, ‘Did you see the guy? The white guy?’ and he said something to the order of, ‘No.’” Fouke was bothered by the failure to notice the suspect. “To me, he should have been seeing him. That’s one of the reasons why I wrote I don’t know if he saw him or not.”

Like we've said before Alex, how could an officer not see the suspect on Jackson Street when he, Eric Zelms is on the passenger side, closest to the sidewalk, responding to an assault and robbery of a taxicab driver and to be on the lookout for potential perpetrators. Irrespective of the colour of the perpetrator given, it's logical police officers, rookie or not, would be looking for the suspect in the vicinity, eyes trained on the sidewalk, parked cars, alcoves etc. To totally miss a guy lumbering along and supposedly viewed by Donald Fouke for 5-15 seconds as he slowed his vehicle as they passed the suspect, with the accuracy of Donald Fouke's description and to then claim that Eric Zelms, not driving and closer to the sidewalk, saw absolutely nothing, is quite frankly the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard and 100% implausible.

Alex Lewis
10/2/2016 02:24:52 am

"Fouke recalled that Zelms had not seen the man that night"

Well we Know WMA was there and both You and I Rich believe an interaction took place between Don & Suspect White Male.

It is clear then, for obvious reasons, that Eric both saw the Man and did so not only 'Over there on the Sidewalk' but, to use His Widows Phrase of How He told it to Her. . .

"We spoke to Him Face to Face."

Now Don may ask us to accept that He is questioning White Male while Eric is Tying His Laces believing that when He hears Don ask "Seen anyone acting suspicious in the past 5 or 10 mins" He is questioning the suspicious Tree there at the Intersection.

I would go as far as to say that unless Don had knocked Eric unconscious at Spruce, and Regains Consciousness at Cherry, it's not possible for Him to be oblivious to Don Questioning a White Male because, when He does do, it would be audible to Eric who is looking the other way!

Alex Lewis
10/15/2016 07:01:32 pm

Well Don would swear on a stack of Bibles He saw Suspect face on, who turned up steps and Don took the decision "Step on the Gas" and continue on uphill. Yet somehow Don has knowledge that Un-Sub was going grey. No, not in general, but only at rear of His head!

Now if Don is going to suggest He noted this from a moving vehicle as He cruised by the man on the steps then this would be difficult enough to discern in bring daylight time! Night would be almost impossible!

I think it's safe to assume Diana is telling the truth as She knows it from Her Late Husbands confiding in Her and that is they not only stopped to speak to a White Male, but did so She said: "Face to Face" and that is absolutely consistent with Z's declaring Cop Car pulled up and One of the occupants of it Zodiac wrote: 'Called Me Over."

Alex Lewis
12/20/2016 08:41:41 pm

Absolutely agree Rich. Not only is Eric's failing to see a WMA utterly implausible, its almost simply impossible!

I mean Don Himself says up to the point of seeing the WMA he was travelling approx. 35MPH on a 25MPH Street, slowed to almost a stop as he passed him saying "Still rolling as we passed him" so let's assume He's slowed to between 5 - 10MPH.

We are asked to believe that Eric is obviously not looking to his right because if he were, he'd see the WMA. So, Eric is looking left toward or directly at Don, who has decreased speed by 30MPH (from 35 to 5MPH) and Has fixed His gaze toward Eric's direction through his passenger window and Eric does not either notice or if He does, doesn't wonder what Don looking at.

Eric must have had a rubix cube in his lap playing with it, that's the only theory I can think of and even though I though of it, I wouldn't believe it for half a second!

Alex Lewis
10/2/2016 02:13:12 am

"From what we have been led to believe, only Paul Stine had personal items removed"

This has always been the assumed truth. I have never really thought about it other than noting How extremely odd it is for this Offender to want to take personal belongings of the victim, taken as Trophies. Two weeks before when He used the 'I am an escaped Con from Dear Lodge, Montana' ruse He said He needed money and a Car. Bryan threw His wallet & Vehicle Keys at Zodiac's feet which, after He had attacked them, He completely ignored and left where they had laded after Bryan Tossed them to Him.

This, I would think, would be evidence for an FBI Profiler to exclude this Serial Killer as taking victims trophies from the scene.

It's always perplexed Me why He would Take Paul's Wallet. I mean I can maybe see His taking of the Cab's Key's to ensure The Gruesome blood soaked car remain as long as possible for all to see, and obviously We know His reasons for tearing off Strips of Stines Shirt.

But His Wallet? What did He want with it, why take it and above all, what did He do with it?

Alex Lewis
10/2/2016 02:28:50 am

I mean I thought it was A Street Gang's mentality to always see nothing and keep mouth shut. "Snitches get Stitches" is the mentality of the Bloods and/or Crips Gangs. However, We see that here in this instance, SFPD are going to operate on this absolutely retarded and pathetic logic.

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4/19/2018 05:11:17 pm

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    Alex Lewis {Welsh Chappie)
    "I am the same Welsh Chappie that resides in the NEWPORT Area of South Wales, a City that had this hit The Parody, Newport State of Mind recorded on Location in and around the City. My own site with all facts and info on suspect Lawrence Kane can be visited via this link".

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