The Society Offender - Crack Proof!

3/2/2016

This article was written by Alex Lewis (Welsh Chappie), whose own site detailing Zodiac suspect Lawrence Kane, can be found here.

Zodiac declared that He would remain at Liberty and would never be caught because, He initially said, He is 'Too clever for them', them being His pursuers from several Law Agencies. This claim, when tested against the evidence, quickly crumbles into dust and He was anything but too clever for anybody, a million miles away from your Criminal Genius for reasons we have discussed and seen on other threads, mistakes that could/should have resulted in His capture that He Himself made were numerous!

In Presido Heights, we see Police who knew the suspect was A White Male, heading in direction of Jackson street on Cherry literally within a minute or so of The First Response vehicle arriving on scene & two minutes after this a second patrol car observes A White Guy who, they claim to this day, never stopped to ask any questions of. The first cop on scene also admits encountering a White Male not 150 yards from the scene, a Male one block away who was briefly quizzed by the Cop. However, we are told that this cop did not feel like asking the man who He was and request Identification and, Armond would have us believe, asked Him a single question, thanked Him for His answer, then turned and walked away.

Now the Unconfirmed and Officially non acknowledged reason for this Man remaining nameless is because, according to Mike Rodelli, He is highly influential, well connected multi-millionaire K. H. Qvale, Himself residing at 3636 Jackson Street, One and a Half blocks away from Washington & Cherry Streets where the crime took place. Ken Narlow, speaking in relation to Rodelli's claims and His suspect said:

"Rodelli has raised a lot of good points -- maybe they're coincidences, but maybe not. It frustrates me that there's so much there, but nobody will go knock on the guy's door. I think the San Francisco police are shy of him because of his status, but if I was still working this case, I would sure go down and talk to the guy." The statement of Captain Ken Narlow!

See, my reason for refusing to acknowledge a Hierarchy in this so-called Z community is because this is not only likely to be what you end up with, it's inevitable! I have been told myself I may not say something to that person because of who that person is, or at least that is how they see it and I won't play ball with this BS. The moment a society structures itself on the Pyramid of Power model where the idea is the higher up the pyramid One gets on it's steps, the more important and better they are than others below them, that Society will create a system of classes for the people where those who reside at the summit of the pyramid are so powerful, influential and well known that if they are suspected of serious wrong-doing the law will not hold their feet to the flames the same way it would if Jo Bloggs Janitor would be.

Kjell when informed of He being a POI in this case and that Napa were running His Prints laughed and said::

""You can't find anybody in this city that's less likely to be the Zodiac killer than me." Which is probably what I'd say if I was the Zodiac. Then Kjell seemed to shift His mood to anger and blasted: "He (Rodelli) has nothing on me, it's all circumstantial! I have a lot of assets to bring to bear, and that son of a bitch is going to be sorry he did it."

He, the Great Qvale, has a shed-load of cash, knows other important people and you fu*k with Him at your own risk!

SFPD too 'Shy' is how Narlow politely put their non willingness to go Knock Qvale's Door due to 'Who He is' and this, be in no doubt, is what you'll get when you start believing someone may not say something to or about another because that other is a VIP and 'Too Crack-Proof' to even be accused!

To prove that I am The Welsh One, Here is a Parody of Jay - Z & Alicia Keys Hit: Empire, State of Mind: New York only this wonderful tongue inb cheek version is Entitled Empire, State of Mind: Newport.

This was actually \a hit here when they released it and myself literally living 6 Miles outside Newport City Center, saw it first hand. Link....

Alex Lewis

2/27/2016 09:06:22 pm

BTW: This post should not be read with a conclusion of the writer believing Kjell is Zodiac, if I thought He was then I would simply say so. However, I write this as an example of a Societal built on this false and redundant Pyramid Hierarchy crap.
We have many times pointed out the unavoidable and clear contradictory claims of Cops on scene in Pacific Heights, their willingness to write official reports with conscious non truthful statements intermixed with changes to their accounts.

Why is all this present? Is it all just innocently explainable by simple human memory error? Or are the lies, constant contradictions and version amendments because the truth of what they saw, or more accurately who, is not to be disclosed due to 'His' Status?

You may not accuse Mr Qvale, He has made it clear He has much resources and finances behind Him, much more than any would be non person of importance with no Status to grant them membership of California's Bohemian Grove Club, A Highly Secretive Society. Mr Secret Society Has made that clear to Mike Rodelli who, He said, will be sorry!

So, this case being stuck in the mud and unsolved & non-solvable due to coincidental facts, or deliberate concealment?

Great Society we can be proud of....

"You may accuse Him over there yes, He isn't rich and powerful or anything. But, under no circumstances may you accuse Mr Qvale, He has sold a large amount of Cars and is a member of a Society of Secrets! Accuse Kjell. . . "Off with your peasant unimportant head!!

Richard

2/28/2016 02:57:18 am

Not to mention a hierarchy in the police department, notably San Francisco, where Donald Fouke was prompted to construct a memorandum of events that night, who himself 'appeared' to disregard the importance of his rookie cop partner Eric Zelms, "My partner that night was officer Eric Zelms of Richmond Station. I do not know if he observed this subject or not." Assuming Donald Fouke contributed to the amended sketch, did Eric Zelms have any input. Eric Zelms was probably the most important eyewitness that night, he was sitting on the passenger side of the police cruiser, it is almost incomprehensible he saw nothing. Donald Fouke deliberately slowed the vehicle for 5-15 second, eyeing the suspect, surely these events were discussed in the police car between the two officers. But to write a memorandum a month later and still be unaware of Eric Zelms seeing anybody, suggests a marked degree of stupidity, surely Eric Zelms was spoken to by Donald Fouke in the following weeks, and if Donald Fouke provided his own description, not only towards the sketch, but the memorandum, surely he would of conferred with Eric Zelms. It seems to me that one of the most important eyewitnesses in the case, appears to have been overlooked or at the very least not mentioned in any of the immediate police reports. Rookie or not, Eric Zelms was not driving, he was positioned closer to the sidewalk, he would have been on high alert for suspects leaving the scene of Washington and Cherry, as the two officers cruised up Jackson Street, but apparently nothing. This to me accentuates the notion that Zodiac was stopped by the two officers and due to the embarrassment of letting a suspect on his way, the hush-hush machine rolled in and eventually after Zodiac's letter Donald Fouke was prompted to reply via the memorandum, however this time Eric Zelms was relegated to the backseat, as the hierarchy of the San Francisco took charge, keeping Eric Zelms out of the limelight in case he let something slip, and something that his wife Diane Zelms was only too aware. Zodiac was stopped that night, but unfortunately the wheels of the San Francisco Police Department crushed any thoughts that this damaging information would come to light, as Eric Zelms was quietly ushered into the dark, and something that apparently haunted him to the day he died.

Alex

2/28/2016 04:26:22 am

Even today Rich the 'Higher Up's' at SFPD seem determined to thwart any Investigation of this case...

"With a long line of Bay Area investigative teams failing to crack the enduring mystery over the years, SFPD homicide inspector Kelly Carroll sought out the case shortly after transferring into homicide in 1999, and soon started making inquiries with his partner, Maloney, into where the DNA-related evidence was.
Meanwhile, Harry Phillips, an ABC news producer for such shows as 20/20 and Primetime Live was also intrigued by the prospects of a forensics-heavy analysis of the Zodiac murders.
Given considerable access to the SFPD’s Zodiac files, Phillips was astonished at what Carroll and Maloney were dealing with. 'The evidence and the files were in an atrocious state,' he says. 'It was unbelievable, considering that we were dealing with multiple murders. And the case had so much mystique internally that the evidence had been stolen, rifled, and taken home by retired cops.'

the high financial cost of DNA analysis combined with the Inspectors’ interest in devoting time to a bottom-priority cold case soon placed Maloney and Carroll at odds with their superior, SFPD homicide lieutenant John Hennessey. Unfortunately, Carroll and Maloney’s relationship with Hennessey soon fully deteriorated, and Hennessey halted their investigation and rendered the case inactive in the spring of 2004 before further testing could be done.

“Carroll and Maloney were doing very well with limited support and resources,” says Phillips. “They were on to something, and it was clear that there was more material to be sampled. The police department closed the case just as they were probably about to make some breakthroughs.”

Maloney entered retirement disenchanted with the internal politics of the department he had committed himself to for thirty-some years. In late 2005 he posted a scathing letter on Voigt’s website criticizing Hennessey’s handling of the case and maintaining that his former partner has been forbidden from working on or speaking about the Zodiac case. He cites a small batch of authenticated Zodiac letters still on loan from the Vallejo Police Department as key pieces of evidence that went untested.

Carroll soon transferred out of homicide to the juvenile division, where he still works today. Likely to be the most knowledgeable official on the topic of the Zodiac still active in the nation’s law enforcement, Carroll responded to an interview request with a one-line rejection: “Under Department Directive, Officer Kelly Carroll is prohibited from speaking with the commercial media.”

Alex

2/28/2016 04:41:01 am

You may not Investigate the Zodiac Case, You may not test evidence in the Zodiac case, you may not speak to the press about the Zodiac case and if we could do so, we would disallow you to think about the Zodiac case!

Your rights to free speech are removed when you sign up with the SFPD. The Freedom of Press, A Constitutionally Protected Right is ignored and SFPD will not allow the press freedom to report the news to the Citizens and thwart any effort to interview a SFPD Serving Homicide Inspector, which, I am not sure but would guess is unconstitutional in and of itself.

Alex

2/28/2016 06:19:55 am

See Rich to myself and from my own perspective, and maybe I am in a small minority in thinking this way -I don't know but Don't care either because if I were Patrol Officer A. Lewis approaching Maple on Jackson, then I couldn't give a flying Fk if the man I see with wet red stains on His pleated pants is George W. Bush, He's getting slammed to the floor like any other person who I see with vblood on their clothing.

And consequences of job loss Rich I would not give a shit about eiter because I would happily and knowingly jeopardize my job for self satiffaction and contentment in knowing I did the right thing, I did what the job required, I had done what I swore an Oath to do and the fact I was dismissed for drawin down and detaining in cuffs A Man from Texas by the name of George, well that is not my problem and I did the morally correct thing.

"That's G. W Bush on them steps, Former President...."

*THUMP* "Now He G.W Bush on the fu***g Floor! STOP RESISTING! White house? Yeah yeah, White Noise mate, get in....watch your head..."

No but serious Rich, are we to stop and ponder status or eligibility for potential arrest for this man who's knifed Cecelia deliberately in the groin area? Shall I consider if this man is a friend of the Governor, maybe a Supreme Court Judges fishing pal, or has a membership card to Bohemian Grove when He's left a child, a young girl on her first date ever, to die alone in the dark, in the middle of nowhere, on the cold cement with a row of holes down her right rear back that He has is esponsible for issuing Bullet after bullet at and into Her?

No,Fuck Him and His status I have to say in anger, you whoever yu are if I were in charge of the SFPD would be held to account for doing what you did and if & when your high status is pointed out my response will simply be...'Fuck you and your imagined status....your in my Police Station now where you don't have any status!

Then I would inform The Person of Particular perceived Portance that...

"Now Dick Face, I am charging you with several counts of First degree murder. You have the right to remain silent Mr Status, and if I get any say in your punishment, you'll be handed Life in San Quinten without the Possibility of Parole Mr Public Figure, you and your little status!"

Alex

2/28/2016 06:48:49 am

It's similar to the Jimmy Saville case Rich, this man sexually abused kids for decades and nobody, BBC Television High Up's, fellow Celebs and average people said nothing citing "He's Sir Jimmy, got knighted by Her Majesty the Queen and everyone loved Jimmy...."

I'd have to interrupt in at this point to announce "OBJECION...BOLLOX! WHAT THE FK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? He's been knighted by Queen of England, thus making him Sir Jimmy huh? Well give me the fkin sword and have jimmy kneel before me and thus, He'll Headless Jimmy!

That incident is the worst, most deplorable thing called Child Abuse and people knew or strongly suspected He was abusing girls and did absolutely nothing fearing they wouldn't be believed, or the powerful connections that this nonse had!

My Apologies Rich but it makes me Fkin Fuming!

Let's have a Society where-in we'll create a Class System, which is a brilliant idea where we'll pretend Person A is so important He must not venture outside without 20 Secret Service Agents to take any bullets themselves if fired at most important person, and ummmm, that man over there we'll call 'Homeless Scum' we'll look upon with contempt! We'll call this a civilised Society, A civil and wonderful way to structure a society to ensure certain people may abuse children and Get Knighted in the Process!

I only wish I could be assigned that sick pricks Corrections Officer, just so each Morning I could ask "Have you and your knighthood slopped out yet Jimmy?
Jimmy No Parole I would be sure to refer to Him as,Arise Sir James No Parole, pass thee thy Royal Slot Bucket!

To end this anger inspired rant mate I will just say this, if anyone looks at Class System or Hierarchy as a good and sound way to organize and structure a society and doesn't see it for the absolutely flawed and inevitable road map straight to disaster then I have no words to respond to you with.

Alex Lewis

2/28/2016 05:04:27 am

" "My partner that night was officer Eric Zelms of Richmond Station. I do not know if he observed this subject or not."

Exactly Rich, that's the reason behind my tongue in cheek thread where I refer to the Two as Don Fouke-Off and Blind Rookie E. Zelms. Don "I don't know if Eric saw anything that night and, ermm, etc" Where is Mr Zelms Officer Fouke, maybe we could ask Him direct? Don? Don, where are you going.....DONNN!

Now Don may not recall what Eric was doing when WMA is spotted, but Widow Zelms seems to have no doubt about whether Her late Husband saw anything when She stated. . .

"Eric told me that they (He & Don) did stop a White Guy and spoke to Him Face to Face. He was calm and there was nothing odd or unusual about Him. When Eric learned that it was, in all likelihood, the Zodiac responsible or the crime and that He had come face to face with Him, Eric took it bad and was real distraught to the point of carrying that composite drawing up to the day He died."

Get Fouke-Off on the phone, I wish to ask Him to comment on Diana Zelms statements and enquire of Don as to whether this helps jog His memory?

Alex

2/28/2016 05:15:29 am

No but in all honesty Rich, and you know I am usually last in line to defend the officers of That Dpt. but this here is one instance where I do think Don's actions or at least His motives for keeping Eric sidelined were done with genuine and honest desire on Foukes part to shield this Rookie from the news crews and cameras asking questions, the newspaper reporters badgering Him about what happened that night. I honestly think Rich that when Don learned just who it was that was in that Taxi that He and Eric allowed to dnce away into the night after they had him in the beams of their headlights, Don knew that the repercussions and criticism would be overwhelming to any experienced cop, but to a Rookie would be too much to take.

I like to think Don's heart was in the right place when He spoke for Eric and declared He didn't think Eric could add anything to what He himself had already offered due to Him wanting to shield the young and inexperienced Rookie and if the shit came down, He, the more experienced cop, was willing to have it do so on His and His own shoulders.

Alex

2/28/2016 05:35:32 am

But anyway, back to reports on the Dpt. and it's half Century long refusal to try and solve this case while they in the meantime declare the word 'Zodiac' Blaspheme as Official Policy are not in the slightest interested in 3rd party offers to test all the evidence for DNA and these 3rd Parties offering to cover all, EVERY CENT, that such Forensic testing costs, The answer is 'No thank you, now kindly Fu** off!"

Quote: " Offers to pay for a complete SFPD DNA analysis of the evidence abound, mostly from media outlets that want first-rights access similar to Phillips’s Primetime episode. Graysmith says he’d be willing to pay for the testing himself. But as far as onlookers know, the department has not taken anyone up on those offers.

"Requests for an interview with Holt passed up the chain of command, and the department declined to comment on account of the investigation’s “active” status. If the SFPD has carried out further DNA analysis or even generated a full genetic profile, it’s a tightly held secret. However, Gaynor’s brief assessment suggests the case is a very low priority."

The article ends by stating that the Case was re-opened shortly prior to Fincher's Hollywood Smash Hit 'ZODIAC' being released, but, said an insider, this was a public relations stunt and nobody is actively investigating this case. The lone reason the Dpt. officially reinstated the case as an 'Active ongoing investigation' was for the sole purpose of being able to respond to the resurging interest the film would unquestionably cause, with the response of: "As an open and active investigation, the Dpt. cannot give you details of the Case and it's evidence."

Richard

2/28/2016 12:15:12 pm

Couldn't agree more Alex, so much so you have left me speechless, with little to add. I hope your blood pressure has returned to normal, I don't want you keeling over on me. What is really annoying is the lack of clarity on what letters and stamps have been tested, or even the bindings. I cannot believe there isn't enough DNA to generate a full profile or mitochondrial DNA test. Mind you if the letters have been stored inappropriately, then DNA degradation is inevitable. It's about time the whole of the Zodiac material is released after nearly 50 years, it clearly is doing no good gathering dust. A fresh set of eyes is always helpful, but maybe the authorities think the amateur sleuths are just that, amateur, and best left to the professionals to continue failing for another 50 years.

Alex

2/28/2016 10:37:52 pm

"It's about time the whole of the Zodiac material is released after nearly 50 years, it clearly is doing no good gathering dust."

I agree. I mean if I were SFPD's Homicide Dep. Chief and I kept receiving tips daily, news teams and Printed Press agents asking questions and the big money backed TV Stations tapping my office window whispering "Chief Lewis...We'll pay to test absolutely all of the evidence for DNA profiles under stamps, envelope seals, touch DNA on the clothes-line bindings and all other evidence."

I'd get fked off with this constant pestering after 46 days and would concede to NBC, ABC News or whichever TV Company happening to offer to cover costs and declare as i'm throwing the boxes of evidence at NBC's Producer: "There you go, all yours and now you've got the actual evidence. . . If you ever bring this case up in future, even hint at mouthing the word 'Zodiac' I will lock you up for Harassment!"

You'd think would you that for a Dpt that acknowledges that even now tips do come in daily that they would by now, long ago even, be sick to death of the case, never again will they be able to associate The term/Word 'Zodiac' with Astrology, but something that refuses to go away.

Oh and as for your earlier question/remark of how professional investigators see the amateur sleuth (The childish side of me finds this term very amusing because of Word likeness comparison 'Sleuth and Sloth" and I Gleefully envision A New Documentary made with the first on screen comments on the case being by Voigt and across the bottom of the screen pop's up caption 'Tom Voigt - Sloth.' *Giggling as I type lol.

Alex

2/28/2016 11:01:52 pm

" I hope your blood pressure has returned to normal, I don't want you keeling over on me."

I think the only way that would happen is if you ,essaged me 'Alex, Pelissetti death bed confesses all!' because this is the type of news I could read and be a health risk to myself should I get it via my mobile while I am out on the motorcycle doing 50/60mph *ding-ding* text alter which I read while driving......"F*** ME, OF ALL THE PEOPLE I NEVA....FK ME BUS COMI...*SMASH.*

2 weeks on: "Alex's life we will celebrate and not mourn His premature passing. However, before we celebrate His life I am sure everyone present will Help Richard Gringell, that man there in row 4 set 7 and English....that He must not blame Himself, even though we all know it's His fault, Richard should feel no guilt.....even though He killed ALEX....." ;-)

Alex

2/28/2016 11:43:33 pm

No but I do have times where I get away from the case for a weekend and you'd never believe I was a Sloth Addicted to Zodiac lol.

Na but Serious Rich, went to Cardiff and The Millennium Stadium to watch WALES vs FRANCE. Sell out with 74,000 fans inside there is nothing like that type of atmosphere. Filmed on my phone the 90 seconds so as The Welsh Players were in the tunnel, even the clip doesn't capture the actual atmos but Wales put on A top build up and my camera footage is Oscar Worthy . . .
https://www.facebook.com/WelshChappie/videos/10205471923267731/

Richard

3/1/2016 02:36:58 pm

It's the big one soon.

Alex Lewis

3/1/2016 10:02:47 pm

"It's the big one soon.."

Its the next game. Wales travel to England & Twickenham which is a crucial penultimate game for us cause if we best England then we have all but won the Six Nations cause the final one remaining game is Wales vs Italy, an Italian team that regularly finish bottom table in 6th place and a side that Wales will be expected to beat comfortably by at least 20 points or so.

But England v Wales is too close to call, There won't be more than a converted Try score in it. 18 - 12 Welsh Win I am going with. But then again, I would wouldn't I with complete bias for Wales with Myself being Welsh. :-)

Alex Lewis

3/12/2016 07:41:46 pm

Richard how dare they! Get me a Moderator at once that I may request slash demand they moderate the Rugby score! I am offended Richard so that means you must do something to unoffend me!

Alex

3/1/2016 05:28:31 am

I was over on ZKM.Com earlier and Sandy had replied to a discussion I was having with another member there saying:

""Hi , WC , if you weren't thought highly of by so many, they wouldn't have noticed that you weren't posting for a while. You were missed by more than you know."

So, in response I said to Her:

"Well Hun that really does humble me and means a lot. As I said previously, I got on fine with 99% of that site's posting members, and enjoyed the discussions and debates there and I learned new facts and questioned some of my own previously held opinions based on interactions with some members there which is always a good thing if and when another person challenges you regarding a belief or opinion you hold. I find that keeps you honest and ensures you feet remain on the ground.

I myself know a few of the members over there who's names I'll not mention absolutely backed my point of view and though the decision to restrict my chat given what context I was writing it in, that being a response to a highly insulting remark, was wrong and unfair and I know this because many of them emailed me to tell me which, agin, I fully appreciate.

I just hope You, Sandy, did not get into trouble with the Police Moderators there who respond to free speech with red light and siren and get there very quickly, because you were the established member who gave the recommendation to Morf for my own membership to be granted. I do hope you were not called to give your defense in front of the Power-Elite-Decision-Making board of the Zodiac Community to explain why you backed and supported a disgraceful anarchist British person who will not do as He is ordered and listen to the Elitist Ego demanding He shut up or we will silence this Brit Filth, lol."

I just hope Morf and Voigt don't conspire to have me taken down in a Run By Fruiting event. :-)

Richard

3/1/2016 02:39:16 pm

I have now joined Ray Grant's forum/blog http://zodiackillertalk.com/

Alex Lewis

3/1/2016 11:24:52 pm

I don't know Ray nor ever spoke to Him, but I do remember Him Mentioning Me in a thread where He wrote a scathing assessment of Two ZKS.com Members starting with Smithy and then, to the best of my recollection, second in His cross-Hair was Member Tahoe. I remember He said something about a post I had written and what it was I had said in that post and followed up with His opinion and said something along the lines of: "I don't know Welsh Chappie personally and never spoke to Him but having seen many of His posts and the responses to them, He seems a nice enough guy who clearly has sense of Humor as evidenced in some of His posts. . ."

If I remember accurately He was making a reference to Smithy & Tahoe being Trolls, alleging they would reply to almost everything posted by disagreeing with whatever it was that was said.

Richard

3/5/2016 12:59:10 am

I have a really big question to put to you Alex. After Presidio Heights no newspapers mentioned anything of the sighting of an unknown male on Jackson Street. Only when Zodiac mentioned the two cops pulling a goof did SFPD issue the Donald Fouke memorandum on November 12th 1969. This memorandum described the unknown male as "WMA, 35-45 yrs, about 5'10", 180-200 lbs, medium heavy build, barrel chested, medium complexion, light colored hair possibly graying in rear, crew cut, wearing glasses, dressed in dark blue waist length zipper type jacket, navy or royal blue." Notice it mentions light coloured hair and 35-45 years.
The three teenagers state "A white male, 25-30 years old, 5'8" to 5'9", stocky build, reddish-brown hair worn in a crew cut, heavy rimmed glasses and dark clothing."
The teenagers state reddish-brown hair, Fouke, light coloured. Teenagers state 25-30, Fouke 35-40.

Now examine this on page 2 of the police report;
http://www.zodiackiller.com/StineReport2.html
"WMA, in his early forties, 5'8", heavy build, reddish-blond, crew cut hair. wearing eyeglasses, dark brown trousers, dark (navy blue or black), Parka jacket, dark shoes. Suspect should have many blood stains on his person and clothing, suspect may also be in possession of the keys to the Yellow Cab, possibly has wallet belonging to the victim. LAST SEEN WALKING NORTH ON CHERRY STREET FROM WASHINGTON STREET"
This last statement in the initial police report is crucial. The above police statement is a combination of Fouke's sighting and the three teenagers. The teenagers said reddish-brown hair, Fouke said light coloured, this has morphed into reddish-blond in the police report. The teenagers said dark clothing, Fouke mentioned zipper jacket (royal or navy blue), this has morphed into parka jacket (navy blue or black) in the police report. The police report states the height of Zodiac as 5'8", this is the teenagers estimation, Fouke said 5'10" in the memorandum. However the police report uses Donald Fouke's estimation of age, Fouke said 35-45 years in the memorandum and the police report states a man in his early 40's. This certainly isn't the teenagers estimation of 25-30, not even close. The question being is if the police report claims the last sighting of the suspect was him heading up Cherry Street, how come the police report uses information on the suspect only provided by Donald Fouke. The description of a man in his early forties can only have been given by Fouke, so the police report and SFPD must have known of Fouke's sighting when this initial police report was drafted. The description on page 2 of the police report is a combination of the teenagers and Fouke, so how come the memorandum revealing Fouke's sighting appears to be claiming a declaration of what he saw. It is clear they used part of his description in the police report, so already at this point knew of his encounter. But of course the crucial part is the police report stating Zodiac last seen walking up Cherry Street. Then how come the description on page 2 of the report states "early forties", something only Fouke brought to the party. The SFPD therefore must have known the last sighting was by the Jackson and Maple intersection.

Alex Lewis

3/5/2016 09:20:58 am

Ok my response and/or opinion on what is written above, let's take the description differences. Firstly, yes, the official response seems to have been to go with Don's rather than the teens description in terms of Age and Hair color. I personally believe Rich their reason for doing this was because unlike the official memo/version, Don did tell His superiors the truth of His stopping to speak to this guy and it would have been fact to face up close and personal. Widow Zelms confirms this and Z declaring cops 'Called Him over' is suggestive of this having been the case, also.
So, if your The Dpt. Chief, and it's your decision on which of the two descriptions you think is more likely to be accurate, teens who see suspect at a distance across the street, or a trained observer cop who speaks face to face with the guy, who are you going to go with as the more likely and/or credible of the two descriptions? For me, there is no question.

Secondly, where is that report made that the suspect was last observed heading N. on Cherry? I have assume mate that comment is in specific relation to the teen witnesses because that is where they last observed Him going.
The descriptions seem miles apart but when you think about it the top end age estimate by the teens is 30, Don's lower age approx. estimation is 35. So if you wanted to, you could argue they differ by a 5 year age difference. Both say The guy was a White Male, 5 '8 to 5 '10 and Stockily built. The teens don't give details on clothing type or color above only saying 'Dark Clothing' and Don stated He wore a Navy Blue Jacket and Brown Pleated Trousers.

I don't wanna put words in your mouth mate, but if the suggestion is that the two men seen are two different people, then I would disagree. I think it's the same guy that Don and the Teens see, and the descriptions differences are, studies have shown, to be expected when your dealing with people and eye witness testimony. I watched an episode of Forensic Files not too long ago about an abduction and the cop interviewed said "You'd think that the more witnesses you have to a crime, the better it would be. That isn't the case at all because if you 20 witnesses and ask them the color of the vehicle they saw you'll have one witness say it was brown, then another say blue, another will say it was black and none of them are lying, they are telling you the truth as they see and remember it being."

It's kinda expected to be honest. If the teens described Him as "White Male, Blue Zipper Jacket with a flap down collar. Crew Cut, rusty colored pleated trousers than hung baggy at back-side. Wore Boot's, engineering type and tan color. Hair was light color which appeared to be going grey." If they said that then i'd be the suspicious one wondering how two independent sets of witnesses could both give absolutely exactly the same detail of everything down to this guys shoe color.

Alex Lewis

3/5/2016 11:23:04 am

And as we spoke about previously, it's very odd to me (I'm stopping short of using the word suspicious here but I could just as easily do so) that the teens and this mysterious eight year old witness have never come forward to speak about this case. Ok, 30 or 40 years back you could say they are in fear of being targeted by the killer and I suppose this would be understandable. But now, in 2016? This surely can't be what keeps them from coming forward.

If all these witnesses know is what they say in the post crime report, and fear of Zodiac now implausible, I often wonder why the have never made a single comment post 1969 especially at a time such as 'Zodiac' hit the box office in 2007. Others did. Slover played herself in the film as the dispatcher who took the call. Hartnell, who has made it clear He will not give Zodiac any more TV time by talking about what happened to Himself came out of the woodwork to agree to go on camera.

In the documentary when Armond starts talking about Arriving at the scene with "I parked the car in the middle of the intersection, facing the cab, which was sitting a little back from the corner of Cherry Street on Washington, facing West on Washington. There were three children heading over to that cab and they weren't too far away. I made the assumption they were coming from the home on the corner, and I was correct, and I herded them back to that alcove.....I didn't know if the suspect was still there!"

Now the next sentence is Armond again and He start it with: "The children told me that whoever had done this..." and then talks about what they saw as witnesses but surely, at this point, the documentary film makers would prefer to have the scene cut to the witness/witnesses themselves. I mean this is what happens in the other instances: "Zodiac came down the road and past me at some point going into the city of Napa to make his boastful phone call. . ." Cut to David Slaight who took that call.

Alex Lewis

4/7/2016 05:16:48 am

There's never been a question, in my mind anyway, that Don told His superiors straight away of His sighting and they likely 'advised' Don not to make mention of it. After Zodiac spoils their cover up plan with "PS: 2 cops pulled a goof" the dpt are not going to admit knowledge of this incident since the night it happened because people will want to know why it was never reported. So the Dpt claim ignorance and get Fouke to take the blame as if He had never told them of this incident by writing an official memo.

So I would say the reason that the report written by Armond Pelissetti has a description in it that would have had to come from Don Fouke is because Fouke had given Armond description of the guy.

Richard

3/5/2016 03:57:25 am

In attachment to the above post, you wrote this on ZKS forum
"The incident took place on Oct. 11,1969. Officer Fouke does not mention having seen any suspect's in his official report. Then, almost exactly one month later, on Nov. 9th, 1969, Zodiac decides to show his hand, and it seems he has an ace up his sleeve! Zodiac writes to the press...
"p.s. 2 cops pulled a goof abot 3 min after I left the cab. I was walking down the hill to the park when this cop car pulled up + one of them called me over + asked if I saw anyone acting suspicious or strange in the last 5 to 10 min + I said yes there was this man who was runnig by waveing a gun & the cops peeled rubber + went around the corner as I directed them + I disappeared into the park a block + a half away never to be seen again."

So if Fouke doesn't mention anything in his official report about seeing a man, how come part of his description appears on page 2 of the police report typed on October 12th 1969, one day after the murder. One thing is for sure, the 3 teenagers didn't describe Zodiac as in his early forties, and the only other sighting was by Fouke, so this confirms the fact the last sighting of Zodiac wasn't heading north on Cherry Street, it had to be Jackson Street. The description of Zodiac on page two of the police report is a mix of both Fouke and the teenagers, that is why 2 composite sketches were drawn, well before Fouke's memorandum. If Fouke's description of Zodiac was known by October 12th 1969, then all this nonsense about nobody being told of this sighting until a lot later, falls like a pack of cards and since the police report was typed on October 12th 1969, then Donald Fouke must have informed his superiors virtually straight away, or on the night of October 11th 1969. This therefore backs up are thoughts that it was Fouke's superiors that decided to withhold from the newspapers the sighting of Zodiac, yet still incorporated part of his description in the police report the day after the crime, which seems a little stupid. Since supposedly the last sighting of Zodiac, in the report, was heading up Cherry, then the description of a man in his forties in the report can only be accredited to the three teenagers, but of course they said 25-30 years, not 25-42.

Alex Lewis

3/5/2016 12:00:16 pm

I mean The Government, in leaked documents (I don't remember where I saw this or what it was in relation to but I know I remember seeing it) say themselves that when they don't want the truth or accuracy of something to be known, a favorable policy to use is to put out several conflicting reports about it so that you muddy the waters so much with conflicting and differing stories that the truth gets lost and buried under a mountain of distraction BS Versions.

Take Area 51 for example. If you asked any Governmental Agency 20 or 30 years ago what their facility is for in the desert of Nevada called Area 51, they would reply that they don't have a facility out there and that a physical place and location known as Area 51 does not exist.

You could phone the Pentagon and say: "Well it surely does exist as I am presently standing on the ridge of a mountain looking at a building and vehicles and security in 4x4 open top trucks with semi automatic weapons and I also....." you'd be cut off with: "Sir, there is no facility that the Government is operating in the Desert of Nevada" even though it's 2 miles away visible and lit up, irrelevant i'm afraid because it does not exist and they'll ask that you believe them over your own eyes.

Mention Black Op's Helicopters seen out there and you'd probably be told with amusing laughter by the Government "Ohhh, have the psychotics come to town again? Imagining the Helicopters chasing them away...." Then hilarity would be agreed as the people chuckle away and then after decades of Official Denial saying no such place even exists.....turns out, then now admit, that yes, a facility referred to as Area 51, also known as Dreamland, did exist in the desert of Nevada and, quite coincidentally, exactly where people have been saying it was for some decades. They admit it 'did' exist but no longer is operational as a facility.

For a place that didn't exist until one day it did but no longer is operational, it seems very odd that nobody seems to have told the numerous armed security this fact because they are still out there to inform anyone crossing a imaginary line that they not only can, but they will shoot dead anyone who trespasses past the no trespassing signs.

Nothing there though Rich, just some abandoned sheds and sand. The building are still lit and vehicles and people are still seen there but, no these reports are by the insane, there is no activity there anymore.

I mention this Rich because when the Government or one it's offshoot agencies want to deny knowledge of something, they will go to that level of insult to do so and tell you that your eyes are incorrect, what you are looking at is not there, and feel free to believe us immediately over and above your own eyes and judgement.

Richard

3/5/2016 03:47:39 pm

"Secondly, where is that report made that the suspect was last observed heading N. on Cherry? I have assume mate that comment is in specific relation to the teen witnesses because that is where they last observed Him going."

Here under #2 SUSPECT http://www.zodiackiller.com/StineReport2.html

My point being, the teenagers described the suspect as 25-30, so who gave this description of suspect in early 40's.

"I don't wanna put words in your mouth mate, but if the suggestion is that the two men seen are two different people, then I would disagree. I think it's the same guy that Don and the Teens see,"

No I never said anything about them being two different people. All I am basically saying is the teenagers gave a description of 25-30, so who gave the description of a man in his "early forties." This sounds like the Fouke description of 35-40. But Fouke never admitted to stopping anybody by October 12th 1969, according to sources, so are we to believe the teenagers thought the suspect was 25-30 years of age and also over 40 at the same time.

Richard

3/5/2016 03:49:54 pm

CORRECTION WITH AGE;
"Secondly, where is that report made that the suspect was last observed heading N. on Cherry? I have assume mate that comment is in specific relation to the teen witnesses because that is where they last observed Him going."

Here under #2 SUSPECT http://www.zodiackiller.com/StineReport2.html

My point being, the teenagers described the suspect as 25-30, so who gave this description of suspect in early 40's.

"I don't wanna put words in your mouth mate, but if the suggestion is that the two men seen are two different people, then I would disagree. I think it's the same guy that Don and the Teens see,"

No I never said anything about them being two different people. All I am basically saying is the teenagers gave a description of 25-30, so who gave the description of a man in his "early forties." This sounds like the Fouke description of 35-45. But Fouke never admitted to stopping anybody by October 12th 1969, according to sources, so are we to believe the teenagers thought the suspect was 25-30 years of age and also over 40 at the same time.
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Alex Lewis

3/5/2016 06:02:50 pm

Just used the link you provided and having checked the '#2 SUSPECT' description it is clearly Armond's comments which, I agree with you, is kinda weird. Only thing I can think of is He's basing His age estimation on the Description Don has alluded to or mentioned to Him. Don may have said 'Early 40's' to AP but was a bit more broad with 35 - 45 publicly.

As you say, it sounds like the Fouke description, and Armond does admit that 'However, in subsequent conversations with Him (Fouke) He told me that He did stop somebody." I think Don told Him on the night itself but Armond has a reason to deny this and it will be something to do with His own encounter with a WMA can't be easily dismissed as to why He didn't detain Him if it were discovered Don had given Him a full clothing description which matched the WMA He subsequently encountered.

I mentioned many times how it is just extremely strange to me that Armond doesn't give a description of clothing for the man He encountered. He must have took a fairly close look to enable him to say He 'Had absolutely no blood on His clothes.'

Alex Lewis

3/5/2016 05:21:55 pm

"All I am basically saying is the teenagers gave a description of 25-30, so who gave the description of a man in his "early forties."

No idea Rich. That's my point about a relatively clear water puddle being muddied to the point where it's almost impossible to see the truth.

A very similar question could also be asked "Who was it that is supposed to have stated they saw a Man running into the Presidio?" This claim, in one form at least, is mentioned by Armond in Crimes of the Century, but it's mentioned in other instances also and I know in one documentary it's alleged, I'll paraphrase "A witness said they saw a White man, stockily built with a crew cut running across the Presidio."

Now this is not a 'Run into the Presidio' claim, but actually an alleged witness within the grounds itself if the actual wording is to be take as literal and that's exactly what this witness said they saw.

Alex Lewis

3/5/2016 05:43:35 pm

The teens must have said He was, in their opinion, younger than the Fouke estimate and they must have told Armond not only that the man was A White Male , but also given Him an estimated age too because Pelissetti states He did not suspect the WMA He encountered at or near Maple because of two crucial things.

1. No blood on His clothes.

Well we both agree Rich that the person wouldn't have to be absolutely covered in blood at all and at worst, would get sprayed with impact spatter from the bullet impacting the skull which would spray blood impact spatter (which is only small spots of blood anyway, although it is likely a lot of them) and if He is seated behind Paul at the moment He first the fatal shot, He has Paul and His seat inbetween and that wouldn't make a difference anyway as the cast-off impact spatter would be thrown outward toward and onto the drivers side inner window. If zodiac is sat behind and slightly to Paul's right then He ain't getting spattered by anything.

Armond can declare all He wants that "Believe me, based on the scene and amount of blood in the cab, the person would have had a lot of blood on them" and that is simply not scientifically true or accurate.
Yes, by the time Armond has got to the cab Paul's been bleeding profusely from the impact area and His nose would also pour blood as we both know and have seen. So yes it will look worse by the time Aromond gets there but Armond is talking like Zodiac got into the cab after the driver was shot, and threw himself onto Paul's deceased body. That's the only way the shooter is going to have a lot of blood all over Him.

2." Somewhat older than the description I had."

So Armond encountered A WMA that He also, like Don, seems to suggest is older than the teens seem to have believed.

Richard

3/5/2016 11:37:30 pm

OK Alex one more thing and I'll leave you in peace.
"Just used the link you provided and having checked the '#2 SUSPECT' description it is clearly Armond's comments which, I agree with you, is kinda weird. Only thing I can think of is He's basing His age estimation on the Description Don has alluded to or mentioned to Him. Don may have said 'Early 40's' to AP but was a bit more broad with 35 - 45 publicly."

If they are Armond Pelissetti's comments in the report, then that is strange, because it was Fouke's sighting. He should be contributing to the report. But whether it is Pelissetti or Fouke it discredits the police report stating last sighting of Zodiac was heading north up Cherry, when clearly Fouke's sighting was later in Jackson. And since the report was typed only 8 hours after the attack on Sunday morning, it dispels the notion Donald Fouke kept his sighting under wraps until the memorandum.

Alex Lewis

3/6/2016 01:46:22 am

"If they are Armond Pelissetti's comments in the report, then that is strange, because it was Fouke's sighting. "

Exactly, I've been of that very opinion for a long time because of the amended composite. Armond got this suspect info from somewhere and it simply has to be Don that issues Him with such detail. This doesn't only suggest He told only His superiors immediately after the event/same night it happened, but based on Armond statement in the police rpt, He must have told Him also.

There can be no doubt Rich it's Pelissetti who's writing up the report because He even signs it at the end.

Alex Lewis

3/6/2016 02:03:30 am

Fair play to Fouke, He is very specific and terms of what He saw etc. Armond is vague in what He does say in certain instances, and other thing He just leaves out totally. Like. . .

The Vanishing of Frank Peda?

Armond decides He's going to give chase on foot and that makes no sense to me unless, for example, say Armond walks down Cherry with Frank having stated "I'll go this way along Washington, turn North onto Maple, then West onto Jackson to cut Him off from coming up Jackson, if He backtracks, you'll be coming down to cut off this route."

I never really thought of that before Rich, but isn't that exactly what they'd likely do once the teens have told them He, the suspect, is on foot and just literally not more than a minute ago walked toward Jackson? Surely if there is the potential or an opportunity for you to get around to Jackson & Maple to cut the suspects escape route off as your fellow cop comes from the other direction behind the suspect essentially boxing Him in....isn't that exactly what you'd do? It perfectly and gives a genuine reason why Armond would be going after Him on foot!

Alex Lewis

3/6/2016 02:57:37 pm

And Rich, don't have to leave me in peace I enjoy debating, discussing and theorizing with you here Rich.

It's not US Police that I will be discussing tomorrow anyway, I'll likely be arrested by my own Plods from Gwent Police because I just can't help being sarcastic and on Gwent Police Fackbook page they say they issued 40 Parking fines in Feb 27th and asked Drivers not to park on double yellow's. I then said in response the following, quote:

"Alex Lewis: WHAT! You mean there are 40 serious Crime of this Nature in one day in Blackwood area? Get the Flying Squad Immediately, set up round the clock surveillance on every street in Blackwood where Double Yellow's exist. . .Clearly dealing with Organized Crime who at this very moment they are likely engaging in a conspiracy to use vehicle to commit crime and Park illegally. We need armed response Vehicles and a helicopter, too."

They'll be at the door tomorrow wanting to speak to my about an alleged conspiring with my sense of Humor to write something sarcastic, at which point run up some steps to get away!

Richard

3/7/2016 03:14:41 am

Mr Welsh Chappie, in the FBI files (No1 page 53) it states
"Inspector Toschi advised that investigation is currently being conducted by Napa, Vallejo and San Francisco Police Departments concerning captioned matter and that he believes UNSUBmay have military background in as much UNSUB used bayonet and two separate 9mm weapons and one of surviving victims observed UNSUB to be wearing military type boots. Further Inspector Toschi related that the enclosed letter from UNSUB (Oct 13th letter), identifying himself as Zodiac and stating he was responsible for the killing of cab driver, enclosed a blood stained piece of material alleged to have been taken from victim's shirt. Toschi stated he had definitely established that material did in fact come from victim's shirt and laboratory examination indicated handwriting IS SAME AS THAT IN PRIOR LETTERS WRITTEN IN NAPA COUNTY ON 9/27/69."
"The enclosed letter (Oct 13th letter) and envelope are being furnished to the laboratory for examination and comparison with material previously submitted by Sacramento division in this matter. (ie the prior 9/27/69 letters).
Copies of the letter and envelope and wanted flyers are being furnished to Sacramento Division for information and any action deemed advisable."

I cannot read this any other way Welsh that SFPD are sending copies of the October 13th Stine letter to Sacramento in order to harness comparisons with letters mailed in Napa County by somebody (likely Zodiac if they were mailed on the exact date of the Berryessa attack), on 9/27/69. Could this dispel the notion Zodiac never mailed any letters on or after the Berryessa attack.

Alex Lewis

3/12/2016 12:04:56 pm

First day back after few days so will reply to the above post post-this one but I just a have to have a rant about Britain and it's 'Society' because today The Chancellor, George Osborne, has announced The Budget plan in 2016 will cut £1bn from Disabled Benefits to fund the 'Middle Class Tax Giveaway.'

See I am simply not shocked anymore. I'm not even angry anymore at news like this which would and should make me seething. The reality is, I expect this kinda Morally despicable behavior, especially from the '"Conservatives" because even my Grandmother has told me numerous times that when elected, that is all they have ever done is make the rich richer and the poor that little bit poorer.

So a comical edit made into a song here may be funny but it's absolutely true what the clip is saying:

https://youtu.be/vbLGG5UGEKw

Richard

3/12/2016 01:09:05 pm

It's the same the world over Alex, the gap between the rich and poor is ever growing, and nothing will ever change it, other than the whole country going on strike, but obviously with most people having a mortgage and kids, have their hands tied, that's why countries encourage family values, it puts a ball and chain round your ankle. I haven't voted for 35 years and never will, it makes no difference. Here is a good phrase to remember Alex:

"If a vote was worth something, you wouldn't be given one"

Alex Lewis

3/12/2016 02:21:45 pm

That quote above Rich I had never heard before, but now you put it there in print mate, I think it's spot on. I have never voted in my life because you'd have to be stupid to believe the old 'Voted for by the Public to serve the Public' illusion of choice. The 'Choice' is between either evil or the lesser of two evils and as one person who's name abandons me once said: "If you vote for the lesser of two evils, your still voting for evil."

I mean Rich, they don't even try to hide it that the only time politician's go door to door is when there's an election imminent.

"What can we, The Conservative Party, do for you and your community?" Followed by "Can we rely on your vote in this upcoming election?" Whichever party gets in, you never see any of their representatives post election win to ask can they help you.

" other than the whole country going on strike, but obviously with most people having a mortgage and kids, have their hands tied"

I've said it for A long time now Rich, that which you said above is exactly how they stop the masses from revolt or even Governmental overthrow, they simply burden the people with so much financial pressures that they don't stop to think "Hold on, this is all BS and deliberate."

I know i've posted a few comic clips of Alex Jones before but He is right in much of what He says. Such as here where He finishes off with a mention of Henry Kissinger, the same HK who would find out in advance if Christopher Hitchens was planning to be in the same town as He was planning on being because Hitch used to deliberately turn up to challenge Kissinger on His claims Kissinger was A War Criminal. issinger would change plans if Hitch was there and that's one reason it's a loss to the good of the World He died young. Need more like Hitch!

https://youtu.be/rFUp8QTGHqA?t=25s

Alex

3/12/2016 02:33:00 pm

Here's a short clip of Hitch turning up to 'greet' Kissinger and explaining that that year alone, Kissinger had cancelled His attendance at Four meetings after word got to him Hitch would be there waiting.

https://youtu.be/8X_dENKsoek

Richard

3/12/2016 02:42:50 pm

Always been a fan of Hitch and his slaps. Always found his Fox News interviews highly amusing.

Alex Lewis

3/12/2016 08:07:45 pm

Hitch did come out with some classics and He was not in the slightest bit concerned of offending someone, to the contrary, He often said that He hoped to offend by something He had said.
Speaking to Fox news on the Rev. Falwall's death He was asked "Christopher, I don't think you believe in a Heaven but if one does exist, you think the Rev. is there now?"
Hitch Response: "No, and I think it's a pitty there isn't a Hell either for Him to go to."
Anchor: But Christopher aren't you hurting The Mans family saying such things after He has just died?"
Hitch: "No, for a vulgar fraud like The Rev. Falwell One has an obligation to say exactly what One thinks about Him or, I can be left off the air and people like yourselves broadcasting only piety."

Richard

3/12/2016 01:19:03 pm

When you are 22 you think you can change the world, but you can't.
When you are 35 you get upset that you can't change the world.
When you are 50 you know you can't change the world and don't bother trying.

Richard

3/12/2016 01:38:16 pm

You need to read this study done in the USA showing that America is effectively an oligarchy, not a democracy as we perceive it, as politicians are funded by the 1% elite and big business, who effectively form policy making decisions. The NRA are a perfect example of how the opinions of the voters are effectively ignored by the overriding needs of an organization to sell guns and make money, no matter how many voters are wiped off the planet each year. Stop believing we the voters have any impact whatsoever, it's a myth sold to you by your master.

Alex Lewis

3/12/2016 08:22:56 pm

Rich this is the honest truth, I don't and haven't for soe years now, perceived America as a democracy nor A Country under rule of A Democratic Government.
I wholeheartedly agree with the opening sentence as uttered by JFK in that: "The very word secrecy is repugnant, to a free and open society..."

What are G Bush Sr, G W Bush, Obama and a whole host of US Presidents first a member of before taking office? Secret Societies! Skull and Bones to be precise. Coincidence? 0% Chance of that. G.W Bush asked about His being a member of skull and bones, the secret society, said "It's so secret we can't talk about it."

Also, what are the Bilderberg Group meeting annually to discuss?

What's the 40ft Owl about at Bohemian Grove please?

How many degrees of freemason are there really?

And there was silly Me thinking the definition of democracy was a system of government by the whole population who elect their representatives.
Government by the whole population.....yes, the whole population of Bohemian Grove maybe, or the non sinister secret group calling itself skull and bones.

Alex Lewis

3/12/2016 10:25:53 pm

Exactly! If the master tells the Slaves He owns that they are required to believe without question He, their master, is a Blood related sibling oto The Lord God, that's the truth for them and what must be believed!

You notice Rich how strange it is that a 'Conspiracy Theorist' is almost exclusively reserved for the nut case fruit cake who does not believe the Official Government version of an event or incident?

If you have an alternate theory to the Government's Officially declared one, then it's a conspiracy theory because that is the power of propaganda when you control the media. It isn't the G'mnt directly laughing at and/or insinuating that your nuts or somewhat deranged if you think Lee Harvey Oswald really was a Patsy....Muhahahaha idiot, this is ridiculous, hence the ridicule. That's the media who do this, the news teams who are told by their boss when they get to story No.3, laugh and raise your eyebrows when opening: "In other news today, Alex Jones, the so-called radio host on some channel with 7 listeners, He says that A Secret Meeting is once again taking place this year this time in the UK, They are called The Bilderberg Group, says Jones, a sub-human dunce from somewhere. The BBC caught up with Conspiracy Nut Jones to put the question to him, are you not simply a conspiracy theorist, Alex? Here is Alex Judas, sorry Jones, response.....

https://youtu.be/UpaEMdi9g60?t=1m57s

Alex Lewis

3/13/2016 12:42:14 am

The NRA stamped out Obama's bid to get a bill passed through Congress and enacted as Legislation to make gun control and background checks a legal requirement for purchasing firearms. Why? Because the NRA has grip of steel on Congress and if the NRA don't like or want it, Congress won't enact it.
In essence the 'Most Powerful Man on Earth, The President of the United States, is in this instance, completely powerless!

Richard

3/12/2016 01:38:52 pm

Here's the link
http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4?IR=T

Alex Lewis

3/13/2016 01:07:17 am

I'll have a look at that link now Rich. In the meantime, here is the Conservative Party Elite rap mentality song. . .

"Taking money from the Man who works long hours, giving power to the tycoons in their glass towers, and that is why, we can look you in the eye and say: This is a party full of Mother F***ers. People rising from the bottom to the top has got to stop! We have the bravery, to bring back slavery...."

https://youtu.be/0YBumQHPAeU

Richard

3/13/2016 12:59:16 am

Posted this on Zodiac Revisited, slight change of topic;
They supposedly ruled out Werner on account he lived in Massachusetts and moved to California in early 1969. They say this ruled him out of the Zodiac murders that began 2 and a half years earlier. However we only have 5 confirmed murders and even the Lake Herman Road double murder only occurred a matter of months before he moved. But he could easily have traveled to California in advance of his move, for that particular date. Zodiac likely referred to 2 victims in August in the ‘Dripping Pen’ card, ie: Snoozy and Furlong, and in the ‘Woods die April’ card describes the killing of Kathy Bilek (she was found in wooded area of Villa Montalvo on 13th April 1971, the card was sent 13th July 1971), both crimes to which Werner was attributed. He was ruled out of being Zodiac, although he was an accomplished mathematician and was jailed for life in late 1971, after which the Zodiac letters ceased. (if you disregard the late flurry of letters in 1974). I don’t believe he was Zodiac, but the fact he was supposedly in Massachusetts over the December 20th 1968 period has to be proved. How can his location on this particular day be confirmed some three years later, unless they can verify this with occupational records or such like.

Richard

3/13/2016 01:03:21 am

http://s254.photobucket.com/user/tahoe27/media/Newspaper%20Articles/SFChron4-13-71-Bilek_zps9cd619ba.png.html

Richard

3/13/2016 01:04:31 am

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh97/tahoe27/Newspaper%20Articles/SFChron4-13-71-Bilek_zps9cd619ba.png

Alex Lewis

3/13/2016 08:51:57 am

". Zodiac likely referred to 2 victims in August in the ‘Dripping Pen’ card, ie: Snoozy and Furlong, and in the ‘Woods die April’ card describes the killing of Kathy Bilek (she was found in wooded area of Villa Montalvo on 13th April 1971, the card was sent 13th July 1971), both crimes to which Werner was attributed."

Initial instinctive response Rich is, based on His love confirming for press and police, often with physical evidence, that a specific murder, douuble murder etc was His own handiwork, I don't buy it. I don't buy Z's "Des, July, Aug...." claim, either. Blue Rock, let the World be told....Lake B, I'll leave a handwritten declaration on The car door to leave room for no doubt I did this, and Presidio Heights, delay not the evidence clad letter and clear claim to the Chronicle!

Why strike in August and remain completely silent? Why only hint at August Attack after police call you a liar publicly? Yes, there was a Six Month Silence post LHR but this being His first attack that we can clarify it may have been due to His being Questioned directly in relation to David and Betty's Murder which scared Him enough to take credit for nothing and be silent for 6 Months before He felt confident enough to go out again on July 4th, a great time to kill from His perspective as His gunfire would likely be written off by people in the close proximity as festive Independence Fire-Crackers.

Richard

3/13/2016 01:30:13 am

Karl Werner was only 18 in 1968, so it's likely not him, but Zodiac was likely claiming victims that weren't his. The November 8th letter claimed 7, likely 2 in August, due to the months he wrote (ie; 5 he did, plus Snoozy and Furlong that happened in August). He sent the November 9th letter three months after their murder. The "Woods dies April" card was mailed 3 months after the Kathy Bilek slaying on July 13th 1971. None of the victims suffered wounds below the waist. Like I said it's doubtful Werner was Zodiac, but Zodiac was likely inferring he was the perpetrator.

Richard

3/13/2016 01:38:29 am

Here is a picture taken in 1971.
https://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/karlwerner-1971.jpg?w=190&h=300

Richard

3/13/2016 01:48:24 am

However he was arrested and held around 28th/30th April 1971, which I assume would rule him out of writing the July 13th "Woods dies April" card.

Alex Lewis

3/13/2016 12:28:31 pm

He would claim crimes as His own that had nothing to do with his hand, He'd do it because He enjoyed needling the Blue Pigs and He said Himself that:

"I hope you have fun trying to figure out who I killed."

To me He's as good as admitting here He claimed many, some were legit, others red herrings. He then hopes they have a blast trying to work out which are the legit and which are the false claimed booby traps so to speak. Busy work for the meanies as He eloquently put it once.

Alex Lewis

3/14/2016 04:53:54 am

Richard, Richard Richrd Richard RICHARDDDD! I just read an AOL News story mate that I am fairly sure you will find as entertaining as I did, because as you will see it shows Human Intellect at it's peak!

Now the topic is Religion and, in this case, Christianity. Now Rich we know the religious love to try and out-do a fellow devotee and if you & I were devout Christians Richard if you announced you planned to Fsdt for Two days to show how dedicated you were to the Most High, I may then state on my site that I am planning a 3 Three day Fast because I am so humble in my non worthy way that I am forever running around on personal errand's for The God of Israel.

Anyway, a religious type, well, a Sheppard to a flock actually, decided to show his absolute faith & unshakable trust in The Lord GOD of Israel AKA: Yahweh and He wanted to prove to His flock who were al at this time on Safari with their leader that Their Most will, if called upon even today oin the 21st Century,quote: "Show His Dominion over The Animal Kingdom" like in the old Testament's recalling of Daniel and His thrown into the Lion's den which, as it happens, is what inspired this man of logic to 'prove' to His fellow Christians in His flock that Their same God will not allow the two fully grown m,ale Lions to attack Him when He runs directly t them after He ends this statement, running directly at them While Praising the Lord God, Exclaiming: Thank you Jesus, Son of the Most High.....etc. Part Two follows Below.. . . . .

Alex Lewis

3/14/2016 04:55:52 am

Continued. . .

Now Richard, between you and Me, the Two Lions were not at all impressed by this. The result of this most logical of experiments Richard I can only speculate were as follows:

All this praising of the lord, thanking of the Lord by this man and others around the World at that moment that the Lord God really was The Most High this specific moment from lapping up all the praising of His name, that it appears Rich The Lord forgot all about taming these Lions and no evidence came forth that The God of Israel still has 'Dominion over the Animals.'

The Lord Most High was on A High in Heaven Buzzing with huge Ego from all his praise while His loyal Servant is getting Mauled to Fk!

I should Imagine Rich upon His Hospital Release offerings of praise to the Lord will now be offering Profanity up to the Most High, etc.

Alex Lewis

3/25/2016 03:30:06 am

Realized the other day when watching the tribute video put together and uploaded on youtube for Cheri-Jo that I had got drawn into the 'Is she/isn't she a Zodiac victim' and I realized the other day when watching the tribute video that it doesn't matter, Cheri Jo is a victim! Her killer being Zodiac/not Zodiac but another is a debate that is secondary to knowing and remembering Cheri-Jo's name and that She was a victim of a most ruthless killer who ended her life at age 18 in the most vicious way imaginable.

The video in question: https://youtu.be/p7hMSmV3Y1Q

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