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Ret. Det. and His digging into 'Eight Year old Witness Ident. of Subject.

10/5/2017

 
This article was written by Alex Lewis (Welsh Chappie), whose own site detailing Zodiac suspect Lawrence Kane, can be found here.

While browsing the different Forums, Chat Boards and Z themed Sites, I happened across a thread in which A Retired LE Detective brings up a document that He stumbled across in the Files that He says jumped out at Him as it appeared to Name a Suspect that was ID'd by a witness who referred to as 'Eight year old,,,'

 This was long before I filed the third FOIA for the same Document and Suspects Name to be released with success and this Detective makes several statements or assertions which, in brief, are as follows:

He points out that both before coming across this Document He Himself had spoken at length to both Lindsey & Rebecca Robbins who were the initial witnesses who were having a party when they saw the cab & it's driver being (as they initially believed) being assaulted and robbed thus subsequently they called cops.  The Ret. Detective said post-document discovery, while He did not know who the Identified suspect named in it was, He went back and spoke again with Rebecca. She stated that they (Her and Lindsey) were never asked to Identify a suspect by any means or method, ie A subject driven back passed their house in squad car,  nor were they asked to go to a police station to ID someone from a standard Photo Line-up and said they themselves are not aware of any other witnesses from that night in question, aged 8 or otherwise, and nobody in Law Enforcement ever mentioned it to them.

 He also stated that He himself had heard rumbles and/or rumours that He said were 'Persistent' that on the Night itself, a police vehicle was said to have stopped A Subject on Jackson Street, a brief exchange take place between this White Male and A Police Officer who had exited His vehicle to speak with this 3rd party before said Cop then opened His Cruisers rear door and the Subject, not with any resisting nor cuffed, got in the back seat seemingly of His own free choice. 

 Now I don't know, I can't offer evidence to support that scenario other than to call into question once again just why it took Fouke several minutes to get from having just passed through Washington Intersection on Presidio Avenue to Jackson and Maple when it takes a driving time, at the speed limit of 25MPH, 30 seconds! Fouke in His own words stated He was travelling approx. 35 -40 Miles per Hour on the 25 MPH street so He should get to Maple on jackson in 15/20 seconds, not 3 to 5 Minutes! Where was He, what accounts for this Missing time? Maybe, just Maybe,  He was transporting His priority passenger out of that Danger Zone where an armed Maniac is loose!


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At 40, He should get to Jax and Maple in 45 seconds, doing 45 MPH takes 5 seconds less and He should take less than three quarters of a single minute. It's not only Pelissetti that claims He arrived on scene, hurded the Robbins kids back to their home where He spoke with them briefly before returning to His Radio Car to issue a correction of suspect race then having time to check Mr Stine who was slumped in the cab and determining He was, quote "99.9 certain He was dead" before walking slowly down Cherry to it's intersection with Jackson before Fouke speeds up. It's also Zodiac and His declaration of "About 3 MIN after I left the cab I was walking down the Hill when this cop car pulled up and one of them called Me over..."

 Three Minutes States Zodiac, 180 seconds! Just over FOUR times longer than it should have taken Fouke if, as He claims, He responded to the 'Initial Radio Broadcast of a Shooting at Cherry and Washington Streets." Why?
Richard
10/24/2017 02:29:32 pm

It is exactly 862 metres from Washington/Presidio Ave to Jackson and Maple. That is 0.54 miles. At 30 mph it would take approximately 65 seconds. At 40 mph approximately 55 seconds.
That means Fouke arrived at Jackson and Maple at 9.59 pm. This means Zodiac left the taxicab at 9.56 pm, because this journey at normal walking speed of 3.1 mph takes 2 min 50 seconds, about 3 minutes as Zodiac had stated. Zodiac was telling the truth.

Alex Lewis
11/18/2017 03:54:05 pm

Richard if You correct Me in public again I shall have you taken out in a highly violent and very successful Drive by Fruiting!

Just messing mate. The serious point though is not really that relevant what time it was at night Z did this or cops did that etc, I am focusing on the fact that irrespective of the actually time to the minute it is, the Zodiac is still faffing around at Paul's cab as Don and Eric get the radio broadcast and initiate their response to said broadcast and despite Z still at the cab as they approach and turn onto Jackson Street. Fact is simply that their responding begins just as they traverse through Washington Street on Presidio Avenue. Well the very next intersection after this one is Jackson Street and so with them already passed through Wton as the radio broadcast is given then Fouke is going to be if not already at Jackson Intersection, then He can't be more than 5 seconds drive distance till getting there.

And yet, The Zodiac somehow manages to get all the way down to Jackson & Maple area before Fouke arrives there and that is simply insane over that distance. Remember Lindsey observed Z's escape along Cherry, one He recalled quite specifically was not made in haste or panic by the Cab Slayer and actually was to the contrary and Zodiac 'Casually' walked away. Don is, quite expectedly, dashing to the scene given that His Broadcast has alluded to the fact the suspect is actually still on scene as it is being given over the air. Yet it takes 3 minutes for these two parties to encounter each other when there is distance between them of, as You point out Rich, just over 850M.

Richard
10/24/2017 02:40:45 pm

This means Zodiac and Fouke met at 9.59 pm, by the corner of Jackson and Maple. This was my point regarding the articles I wrote about two assailants.
If Zodiac was at Jackson and Maple at 9.59 pm, he must have been at Jackson and Cherry at 9.57 pm. If the Robbins kids were pointing out Zodiac to Pelissetti, the time HAD to be 9.57 pm.
But Pelissetti didn't get the call until 9.58 pm and still had to travel to the crime scene. There are only two conclusions- the Robbins kids recollection is flawed or there were two perpetrators.

Richard
10/24/2017 02:53:46 pm

Another way of looking at it, is this. Zodiac and Fouke both spot each other- their stories corroborate each other. This is 9.59 pm.
Zodiac would have been approaching the halfway point along this block of Jackson Street at 9.58 pm. This time of 9.58 pm is when Pelissetti received the radio broadcast and still had to reach the crime scene.
So based on 'one Zodiac' he couldn't have seen Zodiac at the top of Cherry at 9.58 pm, even if he hyperspaced there, because at 9.58 pm Zodiac was halfway down Jackson. If the Robbins kids were 100% correct we have two different people on Jackson.

Alex Lewis
10/31/2017 12:40:08 pm

Well I was watching an episode of 'Cold Case Files' yesterday Rich in which a family was slaughtered while the slept. Parents were shot dead as they slept, and three of the four children also. The Fourth Child survived simply because the gunman shot twice and missed the sleeping child who played dead. This sole survivor was 11 years of age and Detectives stated that due to this witnesses age, along with His fear of the attacker still out there and returning to finish the job, the police deliberately left His name or any mention of Him out of their main reports. So, maybe this is the reason the SFPD did similar.

And You correctly point out: "Zodiac and Fouke both spot each other- their stories corroborate each other."

That's true but only because Zodiac noticed that this little incident was being kept under wraps by a Dpt. wanting to save face. Had Zodiac Himself not wrote that "PS: 2 cops pulled a goof" statement, we likely would never have known to this day that the cops encountered the Zodiac on Jackson.


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    Alex Lewis {Welsh Chappie)
    "I am the same Welsh Chappie that resides in the NEWPORT Area of South Wales, a City that had this hit The Parody, Newport State of Mind recorded on Location in and around the City. My own site with all facts and info on suspect Lawrence Kane can be visited via this link".

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