Police will never catch me because I am far to lucky for them!

11/15/2015

This article was written by Alex Lewis (Welsh Chappie), whose own site detailing Zodiac suspect Lawrence Kane, can be found here.

Now, the title statement may appear to be misquoting the Zodiac with what it was He said, and you'd obviously be correct. but it is a word replacement that is not in error, but deliberate.

Zodiac may make a statement, even believe in it's accuracy if He wishes and believe He genuinely did not get caught because He's a walking example of brilliance, brilliance that wears horn rimmed specs which worked wonder for C. Kent to hide any resemblance to His Alter Ego of Superman (Yes I know, It worked in the fictional realm where every person must been either blind about to go blind or were just absolute idiots who will not recognise their own Mother once she remove her Specs) but in the real World, donning some specs ain't gunna fool anyone. People can, should they choose to do so, believe that the Zodiac was simply intellectually superior, too clever for any fellow man. As I see it, however, the truth is much more boring and simple. . . The guy was just one lucky SOB, not a criminal genius of any type or sort.

Zodiac was no where near too clever for those that were pursuing His imminent detainment, He had luck on a scale that almost defies random chance laws. Let's have a look at some examples of many. . .

Lake Herman: There is one quiet period of 20 Minutes that night that a would be killer could happen to pick by coincidence to enable a successful escape and remain unseen by potential passing vehicle & their witnesses inside them and, chance and luck on His side, 20 min gap is found and taken advantage of. Ok we may say: "Lucky boy Z, you lucked out picking 11:15ish to open fire at.

Lake Berryessa, Dave Collins mentions Cecelia saying She & Bryan were observing passing boats until some guy ducked behind a tree. When He emerged and remained out on that Island totally exposed for at least 10 to 15 minutes, once again the World seems to stop so that the lunatic can don His hood and stand there into the double digits in minute's wise and the boat,s that had been sailing and speeding by now stop totally, that is until He in the hood has walked away and left the Island. The World then commences as usual and a minute or so after our stab frenzy lunatic has walked off, Bryan observes a boat come into view passing the Island.
Two incidents of luck of astronomical odds against hing just coincidentally, pretty unlikely to y the least but, wait, what's this, could it be. .....YES, HIS LUCK JUST RAN OUT, HA!! Oct 11 absolute astonishing run has come an abrupt end within the Headlight of a police car driven by Don Fouke of San Fran's Police Dpt. Now He along with His crew cut are up a creek without a paddle....oh wait, here someone with a f**** paddle to offer by informing all SFPD Patrol Cars their radio's ."ALL UNITs PLEASE BE ADVISED, SUSPECT IN CAB DRIVER HOMICIDE IS A BLACK MALE, ADULT, 5 FT 10" And at this point I have to offer them a 'Ohh now go away, this is bull shit now, there's Luck and then there's taking the piss!

I mean If I could have a hypothetical bet, I ponder what a bookie would offer as odds on these three scenario's playing out in succession that ultimately led to the person responsible getting away time after time, even when He's decided to present his guilty self on a silver platter in P Hghts they refuse to arrest Him.

"The Police shall never catch me because I am the wrong color for them."

As some day it will happen that a Retarded dispatcher is found,
I got Him on my list, no name I find exists.
Theres the retard racist who is color deaf and blind,
A suspect and his color i give up not can find,
See it really does matter when incompetence gets dismissed
A chance to capture has now been Missed, forever some insist
PS You must print this in your paper as I just cannot resist,
needling blue meanies for chasing them that don't exist.

If He avoiding capture is due to being too clever for the other 6 or 7 Billion of us sharing the Globe with him then that's their right and the opinion to which we all are entitled to.
Personally, I've not seen an example I can use or think of super intelligent criminal genius that observes a vehicle, make note that it''s quite odd as it appears to have something stuck to its roof that's flashing Red & Blue colors all over the houses it is passing but it is making a God awful noise and, "OHH Balls! Shit shit shit, I remember now it's pulled up right next to me that there cars have Pig driving them, and this one is calling me over! *Lightbulb moment -BING!* SEVEN STEPS! I really am an absolute criminal genius because look here, SEVEN STEPS, concrete ones too. Umm, I need a diversion in order to...I know....Good Evening Pig-Cop...Oh Look Mr idiot Pig, A Black Man with a gun, better get Him Pig in the Prowl car because He look like a man just simply cannot stand the Game of Golf Mr Meanie and anyone caught playing the game will be shot dead, hole in one for all players..

(Suspect runs away up the steps He'd found earlier stopping to turn and wave 'BYE BYE Dick head's, see you in The Chronicle. Muhahahha" Then.... gone! A place in History, His status cemented as mythical legend that is lost in the shadows where elusive He remains

Alex Poster of absconding text!

11/15/2015 05:57:33 am

Where has the text I just took 2 decades writing gone? I ain't typing all that out again my hands will take legal action for excessive use! Rich what happened? I wrote a few paragraphs, clicked publish and the title said ok but text decided to run down Maple into oblivion with Zodiac that little twit!

Richard

11/15/2015 06:33:35 am

If it's not there I don't know. The article looks fine. I will send you a back up page to store material, then if your text runs off you can copy and paste it back to your article.

Richard

11/15/2015 06:39:51 am

I will send another video.

Alex Lewis

11/15/2015 06:48:51 am

found It!! It went eighteen thousand lines down the page about 5,7 miles under the title of the article for unknown reasons. For a moment there RichI felt like Armond [Pellisetti on Cherry st and thought fk it,. I am opening fire at everything that moves! 'Shoot first, ask questions later as to why 3 Inspectors are deceased On Cheery St,.

Don Fouke Himself is only alive today due to His bypassing Cherry in favor of Arguello. If Officer Fouke-you had turned south into AP's path, An AP who's already trying His best not to collapse into a pile of shaking uselessness through fear his brains blown from His head. Add Fellow Officer Fouke-Off to the mix as He comes tire screeching around the corner and that's it, AP will pass out on the floor.
Officer Fouke-me falls out of the drivers door excitedly shouting: 'Armond Armond Armond! You'll never guess who I just spoke to...? Yes, I drove right up to Him, only the real Fouking Zodiac! Armond did you hear what I just said.... Should you be down there on the floor Armond?

Richard

11/15/2015 07:07:19 am

Added it into category Presidio Heights-post options in menu.

Richard

11/15/2015 09:23:07 am

He was lucky on many counts Welsh; The window of opportunity from James Owen passing the turnout at approximately 11.14 pm and seeing no bodies on the gravel turnout and Stella Borges passing at approximately 11.20 pm could be as little as 6 minutes. He is lucky Pierre Bidou's drug bust wasn't scheduled a bit later or else there may have been a shootout.
At Lake Berryessa anybody could have parked up beside Zodiac's and Bryan Hartnell's car and wandered down to the lakeside, there may have been more deaths, but the last thing Zodiac wanted was to use his firearm. This was his back up for the 'just in case scenario', however gunshots erupting may have provided a tight escape along the Knoxville Road, something he was keen to avoid.
Blue Rock Springs and Richard Hoffman having visited the scene before and after Zodiac and missing him by minutes.
And of course as you said the NMA description, that dumbfounds me to this day, I simply don't buy it and Zodiac stumbling along Jackson unhindered, throw in the 2 page report and Fouke's description a month late and I smell a rat.
What I would have liked to have seen done is the three teenagers and Fouke (or even Eric Zelms for that matter) create independent composites and see if they concurred. When you have several eyewitnesses and they independently give a similar composite, it adds credence to that composite, but this never happened in this instance.. Donald Fouke saw the initial composite and the second was amended. Surely this is not how it should be done.

Alex Lewis

12/5/2015 09:14:12 pm

Hey Rich...

"The window of opportunity from James Owen passing the turnout at approximately 11.14 pm and seeing no bodies on the gravel turnout . . ."

Not only are the deceased/shot-up bodies laying visible for a passing J. Owen, but neither were any live and healthy ones! Nobody in vehicle as Owen passes according to Him, nor on the ground, nor anywhere in sight at all. Where are Dave & Betty, and more relevant, where is their intruder?

Here come Stella not a few mins thereafter and vehicle door open, male led on concrete....female closer to LHR on ground also. Appeared from somewhere having been shot by someone, who is now nowhere to be seen by traffic going toward both Benicia & Vallejo. Yet, they insist, He fled on wheels.

Richard

12/6/2015 12:16:56 am

Well one consensus was that Zodiac had forced the couple between the vehicles to usher them out of sight as he saw James Owen's approaching. I used to believe this was the most likely answer and still may be, however this very lucky window of 6 minutes seems rather too lucky. There is doubt expressed that Zodiac arrived by car, and on the face of it could have arrived on foot, but I will pose you one question to suggest this was not the case.
Zodiac stated he fired ten shots, but what we know for certain is this;
2 bullets recovered from Rambler (rear wheel well and headliner)
5 bullets recovered that were fired at Betty Lou Jensen
1 bullet recovered from David Faraday.
That is effectively 8 shots fired. IF Zodiac fired off 10 shots as he claimed, clearly 2 bullets flew from the turnout and were never recovered. The police report clearly states here 9 shell casings were recovered http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR9.html
If Zodiac fired 10 shots where is the 10th casing. The only way Zodiac could have fired 10 shots and only 9 casings were recovered is if one went missing. He could have picked it up, but highly unlikely, because if he was removing evidence he would have picked up all 10 and besides it was extremely dark that night and highly improbable he would have spent the time. The only logical scenario I can find for firing 10 shots and only 9 casings recovered is if one was taken from the scene inside of Zodiac's car. It is my contention that as he pulled up alongside the couple's car he fired the first shot from inside his vehicle into the headliner of the Rambler (it couldn't have been the window shot because of the bullet path angle, this had to have been taken from a standing position to have entered the top of the window and entered the left rear wheel well). This first casing ejected to his rear and inside his own vehicle and hence never recovered. Of course this wouldn't apply if you believe Zodiac only fired 9 shots. Also if we believe James Owen and the Your's on the position of the Rambler facing east into the fence, what was it doing facing along the North/South axis in the photographs, in direct contradiction to the police sketches. If Betty Lou Jensen's feet are to the west then clearly in this photograph the Rambler cannot be facing east http://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/3267939.gif?345
This suggests that as Zodiac drew up in his car, Faraday attempted to back out, which is why I believe Zodiac fired the first shot from his open window as a deterrent. This also explains the difference in the position of the Rambler as described by James Owen and the Your's and it's final position. Although if you discredit the idea of a second car, it is not without merit as we only have James Owen to verify this and he couldn't even describe it, he only claimed it was there and on top of that it kept changing position relative to the Rambler. However if you believe 10 shots were fired we have to explain the missing bullet case.

Alex Lewis

12/6/2015 12:56:10 am

One theory suggests the victims were ushered between vehicles out of view of the potential passing cars and their inhabitants? Hmmm, well Owen in His 'Epiphany' remembered that there wasn't a couple feet between Dave's rambler and the naughty man with a gun's car, but there was a whole 10 ft! Can't hide behind two cars parked opposite ends of the turn out.

I maintain there was no 2nd vehicle, or if there was, the offender was not in it but had got into the rear seats of the victims Rambler and, sitting behind them, ordered them to duck out of the illuminating headlights as the shine in while car passes.
He

Alex Lewis

12/6/2015 01:34:08 am

Wherever the two teens are Rich when Owen claims nobody was in the Rambler, around it outside, nor anywhere visible in the close proximity, wherever the two are that will shortly fall 'victom' to the start of a murder spree by someone that objected when called 'Cipher Slayer' by the Media and over-ruled the writers with 'This is the Zodiac Speaking..."

He was somewhere there on scene and in a position/location that enabled Him to control the two teens keeping them out of view, and making sure they did not appear within view of a passing car and attempt to motion or signal for help.

He must have done this with use of threats and warnings that if they try and signal help, He has a loaded gun, and they do not which means equates to no chance of successful escape.

I mean if Owen is honest and/or remembering the scene correctly & vacant Rambler we can rule out then two deciding to go for a walk due to remoteness of location. Basically I can't think of a single genuine reason the two would not be there via their own will & choice.

The only thing that I honestly can think of to give the two reason to vacate the rambler and scene, is if a cop pulled up and placed one or both in his Cruiser. Maybe thats why James recollection is conveniently non detailed or specific when He was asked to describe the second vehicle there. "Red & blue rooftop lights....Word 'Police' or 'Sheriff' on the side doors and driven by a man who would be carrying a firearm and a batton like club that could be very consistent with the bruise & swelling on Faradays lower chin

Alex Lewis

12/6/2015 01:43:47 am

Let's look at the overall big picture.

Police would have cause to be on LHR as a drug bust is carried out on The Cottage. Any passing patrol car could have radioed in that a vehicle was parked with two occupants, WMA & WFA in the gated turn out to Humble Oil.
If there was one or several cops who were dirty and had their own interest in the cottage and the weed being grown there then, did a furious cop retaliate thinking the two were parked there observing the raid unfold because, mistakenly believing they had been the ones who'd told their colleagues that a lot of drugs were being grown/dealt from there?

Richard

12/6/2015 04:27:14 am

I have never understood the James Owen claims; 10 feet became 3-4 feet in the 2nd statement. No shots became maybe a shot heard 3 days later. He saw a 2nd car but has no description. Why is it the gravity of the crime becomes more apparent from earlier to later. The vehicles menacingly got closer together and the shot materialized from the cold dark sky. How can you describe a car as "1956 or 1957 station wagon, boxy type with a neutral color", but fail to recognize anything about the 2nd vehicle. Also what people forget is David Faraday was I think 5' 8", how could he have fell in the way the chalk outline depicted if the cars were parallel and 3-4 feet apart as he described. David Faraday would have collided with Zodiac's vehicle and been deflected left or right. I believe either James Owen was exaggerating in his second statement to increase his importance and in fact the whole order of events makes perfect sense without the statement of James Owen. If he can close up the cars, add a bullet sound, why can't he add a second car to spruce things up even more. He may have been prepared to add a second car, but clearly then was at a loss to describe anything about it. You know yourself Welsh that police are complete liars, you only have to watch the Youtube versions of events when they murder people in cold blood, particularly black people. The latest murderer firing 16 shots into the poor unfortunate guy on the ground. They even wanted to suppress the video, I wonder why. If police can lie, so can eyewitnesses wanting to project themselves into investigations to increase their importance, hence the exaggeration. This is what staggers me, many Zodiac researchers not wanting to question the accounts on Presidio Heights, when clearly the police reports and accounts are so clearly not only devoid of detail, but their accounts and timelines don't stack up. If police can lie in virtually every police murder, even with police car cameras and bodycams clearly refute their claims, what the hell did they get up to when these were not available. The BMA description is clearly such a fabrication.

Alex Lewis

12/6/2015 01:22:13 pm

You know Rich this is an ongoing seemingly weekly racially motivated murder of The Next Black youth by White Cop's who will take offencew at A Black male not throwing themselves fce first into the floor and so the slam them forcefully for their refusal. And if Black Guy attempts to run awa in genuine fear of the White Tosser with badge and gun, the White cop will uphold the Law by shooting a fleeing male with back tyo cop running in the opposite direction,
You know Rich I don;'t just say this because pele may expect this to be something we all should believe, Ib say this because I feel strongly and passionate about racism especially when racists are giving badges and extremely lethal weapons.

I really do not have any understanding of people who see A skin color as a factor to determine the cops potential to shoot you to death. I abolutely detest and deplore racists Rich, as I said before,these people are the most idiotic, stupid and retarded thinking individuals we have on our tiny Planet. How you can hate or even simply dislike another because He has skin a color different to your own is beyond me.
Ricb=hard I kid you not mate, I have anddo watch many of the kind of white cop killing black citizen videos and I sit there and almost feel ashamed to be White! It's as retarded as deciding "I refuse to speak with or be around that fu**ng guy there becuse....Because I hate Him cause He's got Black Hair, Then start chanting Blonde Power, blonde power like a fkin backwards reject from some mentally retarded day release programme who believes the best way to illustrate the White Mans superiority is to wear a pillow case over your head with two little eye holes then go burn a cross somewhere with someone called 'The Grand Dragon' which sound like a Mortal Kombat Character. To idiots who believe that Aerian race is imminently about to become etinct because the black man is absolutely determined to take over (I don't think they know Mr Obama's running the show over the pond with all non whiteness.

"WHITE POWER....WHITE POWER..." Ohh Fu** off you backward idiot, fk off! And when you get there, Kindly fk off a bit more you and you little pillow case!

Alex Lewis

12/6/2015 02:01:53 pm

But anyway Rich, Yes, Couldn't agree more with the absolute mess that is the statements by Police and Citizens alike in this Zodiac saga.

"Second Vehicle I saw that nobody else ever did was parked all the way over there down the opposite end of the Gated Gravel Entrance Officer there is no doubt about it I know what I saw end of story! There was a Boxy type station waggon with a neutral color and any other detail you'd like and the second car, which doesn't appear to anyone else this night, well that vehicle was, it errr, this was a car and it had Four Tyres.

Could not see any other detail i am afraid even though I am sitting here about to tell you my distance in proximity of said cars was a tad off by a few odd milimeters or so, and by small error in the judgment of distance I do if course mean, TEN FOOT and opposite end of the Turn out riteeeeeee down there over the other end as opposed to parallel to my Rambling, I ean the Rambler with the one hardly able to open their door without it colliding with the other car, no no, it's jumping all over the place not able to get comfortable in parked position.

Fk if Don Foukes voice came from the background "Need help James, is everything Ok?" I'd drown myself in Berryessa because enter Mr Fouke and the rambler would be speeding up steps toward some unfortunate residential address which Don will say of "Last seen driving North on Maple and we did not stop a Fkin WHITE MALE! Accuse me of that again and I will draw my weapon you silly boy, even if we did see white man it would be of no interest to Me because I am obsessed with arresting any black man that moves.

It is irelevant anyway who Don saw,m where it was He saw Him, if anyone can determine what correct color the mystery man was and if He skipped up some steps or shuffled down Maple because, we must never forget, SFPD would have us believe that they looked to have the Deaf and Dumb Society when the employing of a dispatch team for emergency response teams are on the rather ked up agenda.

And forget Pelissetti altogether, He's lost along Jackson somewhere diving over car hood, somersaulting over hedges into gardens, and god help anyone slamming a door to their home which may vaguely resemble a round fired from Alcove Loving Nut-Job......Armond scrams like a girl, collapses to the ground in a heap and begins singing 'All things Bright and Beautiful' believing death is about to arrive in the form of Lead Projectile vs High speed collision with skull of SFPD's finest!

Richard

12/6/2015 12:48:40 am

However there is one good argument for an 'on foot' shooting in the Lake Herman Road turnout, in that Zodiac stated "What I did was tape a small pencel flash light to the barrel of my gun. If you notice, in the center of the beam of light if you aim it at a wall or ceiling you will see a black or darck spot in the center of the circle of light about 3 to 6 inches across. When taped to a gun barrel, the bullet will strike in the center of the black dot in the light"
Why would you need a sighting implement when approaching a couple in a car, the light, combined with your car headlights would make it impossible to miss from a 'window shot' similar to Blue Rock Springs or even from a few feet away. Had he employed the sighting implement to go hunting around Lake Herman lake earlier that evening, similar to Lake Berryessa, then without the aid of headlights, a sighting implement would have been more likely around the lake, where light would have been distinctly less and he could have executed people at distance. However failing to have found any victims around the lake, a short 5 minute walk to the turnout is not unthinkable. If he lived in Vallejo or Benicia, a walk to Lake Herman is not beyond reason, he could have even driven, just parked his vehicle on the opposite side of the lake, avoiding the entrapment of Lake Herman Road. Had he exited across towards the lake after the shooting, it also has the benefit of quick disposal of the weapon before fleeing the area or returning to a vehicle on the south/west side of the lake.

Alex Lewis

12/6/2015 01:59:51 am

""What I did was tape a small pencel flash light to the barrel of my gun. If you notice, in the center of the beam of light if you aim it at a wall or ceiling you will see a black or darck spot in the center of the circle of light about 3 to 6 inches across. When taped to a gun barrel, the bullet will strike in the center of the black dot in the light"

See but again Rich, if this device He big's up really is the bees knees in accuracy and efficiency then why abandon it at the unlit dark BRS parking lot in avour of, what Mike described as, 'A Big beaming flashlight?'
Cops have that very type of very powerful and bright flashlight beam and this held in the left hand to light up your target is plenly as you fire several rounds at Betty and hit what your shooting at.....which a trained marksman or average cop would likely have ability to do without much difficulty.
Why not use this super accurate taped pencil light at BRS?

If you ask me, He's talking shit and used a flashlight.

Alex Lewis

12/6/2015 02:08:18 am

Let us imagine for a moment Rich, you and I are about to embark on a quest to carry out a very risky and extremely illegal crime. We've not done this before and it is the first time doing so. We have planned it and we've created what I and yourself believe to be a fantastic aid to help us carry out our sinister little plot with successful result. We carry out the mission, use the little device, and it was better than even you & i had imagined. Worked like a dream.

So, being new to this killing game and wanting to have the odds as best leaning our way as possible, would you think "Well, our device worked fkin brilliantly last time, beyond expectation and as such, we now will abandon it and not use it to carry out the next very very similar crime?

Alex

12/24/2015 11:23:09 pm

Well like I mentioned on the other thread, it's not just the other people on LHR that were out there around the time of the murders never mentioning or reporting seeing a vehicle on LHR or a second car parked in the turn out, but suspicious it is in it's absence, is the Zodiac's own mention of Him being in or at that scene with His vehicle.

Nobody passing the turn-out other than Owen saw A second vehicle, no motorists traversing Lake Herman Rd recall passing any vehicles around the time, and the One person who loves to brag and tell the World how He committed His works of Art, never declares, or even hints at, Him having a Vehicle at LHR.

Richard

12/6/2015 03:53:08 am

Those points are true, but to be honest I have never put much stock in the account of Michael Mageau. He stated a handheld flashlight, but it may equally have been a flashlight attached to a gun, who knows. There is a lot of discrepancies in at least three of the Zodiac attacks and I could pull holes in several of Michael Mageau's accounts, including his vague description of the car and it's California license plate. I am not blaming Michael, but any descriptions or detail after the shooting, when you have been near blasted to death, is a difficult thing to do in view of the traumatic event you have just experienced.

Alex Lewis

12/20/2015 06:21:07 am

Well if the man behind the persona was caught and charged with 5 counts of first degree murder and several attempt counts, if the Jury were not convinced beyond reasonable doubt in order to convict, Mageau would make an acquittal guaranteed for Z.....

"That's Him, sat over there!!!"

'Let the record reflect that Witness Mageau has identified presiding Judge Johnson as the Offender.'

"It is Him and absolutely no doubt......I recall He may have been wearing gallses I think. Yes, A Certainty, 110% He wore glasses and I remember them on His large and fat looking face to this day....I Think!
He looked average, black curly hair and thick set in build! That's him, Number 6 in the line up, yes, the bald headed Arthur 'Genetic bald as a badger' Allen! I will never for the mans face that shot me.....just if He was bald or had a mop of thick black curly hair.

I thought it was a Prowling Pig Pulling Parallel until, until He shot me and never said one word. OH my GOOOOD He called Darlene DEE, and Darlene gave Him the middle finger asI recall, I think th.....I REMEMBER, RICHARD! That was what Dee called him.

'Mr Mageau you failed to mention this back in 1969...."

"Can I go home before the Presiding Gabble Holding Freak starts shooting again. E"

Court adjourned to the radio playing: https://youtu.be/Tc4ZFjsVirU

Alex

12/20/2015 11:38:10 pm

"Those points are true, but to be honest I have never put much stock in the account of Michael Mageau...."

Well Mike Mageau is still suffering, after all these years, from a serious case of Survivors Guilt which is clearly evident in His words & statements such as: "I was going to Marry Her, when She died I took it real Hard. I've lived a long a happy life but She Died & that's something I can't ever forget. I was supposed to protect Her....And I couldn't protect Her. Physically, I'm fine. Emotionally, he scars are still there."

Clearly Mike does what a lot of survivors do, First feel guilty that they survived and that in turn leads to blaming themselves for their partner, friend or family member's dying.

Anyway, what's your opinion on your Name's sake Mr Hoffmas and His comments?

The Hoff claims He had just minutes before the attack occurs been out to Blue Rock to ensure No youths were out there causing any vandalism, excessively noisy and, bottom line Hoff states is....'The Park was Closed.' States nobody there at this point which is, if I may say Mr Hoff, Complete BS Mr Hoff because there were several vehicles out there that if you missed with your eyes would be OK because they were kind enough to be setting off Firecrackers and having a good ol' July 4th celebration which was officially stated as 'Nobody there. Signed as sworn statement: 'The Hoff'

Richard

12/22/2015 12:04:57 am

In the 2007 documentary Richard Hoffman stated he was at Blue Rock Springs Park approximately half an hour before the call to Nancy Slover at 12.10 pm, so that would be around 11.40 pm, stating there was no activity. Going on the Michael Mageau timeline, they must have arrived at the parking lot shortly after, from 11.40-11.45 pm, a few groups of cars came and went, but the suspect vehicle returned the second time and the shooting occurred slightly shy of midnight. Nancy Slover received a report of a shooting from a young teenage girl at approximately 12.10 pm, at which point Hoffman responded to the call and arrived first on the scene a brief few minutes later (12.11-12.15 pm). That is the general pattern of events if everyone was correct in their claims.

Alex Lewis

12/24/2015 11:08:52 am

"In the 2007 documentary Richard Hoffman stated he was at Blue Rock Springs Park approximately half an hour before the call to Nancy Slover at 12.10 pm, so that would be around 11.40 pm, stating there was no activity."

Missed the half hour before bit, and if He's out there 30 Minutes or so prior to the approx. time of shooting then my question is retracted.

The Mike Mageau statements of a second vehicle pulling in for a short stay before leaving, only to return again a few minutes later allows people like me to speculate on 'Is it possible...' or 'Could it be...'

For example, was the second vehicles driver supposed to meet Dee out there and had pre-arranged the meeting place and time there and upon pulling in notices She's brought someone else there which enrages Him and He speeds away to His home to get His gun?
I said before that if Dee did know the man that took her Life and feared Him enough to bring Mike along as backup. If Her belief was along the lines of 'If I meet Him and I am not alone I will be safe' then she vastly underestimated this person and how dangerous He truly was.

I hope that nobody takes from my osting this that I am now championing the 'Darlene knew Zodiac' idea, I'm neutral and undecided because there isn't any strong grounds or evidence available to say either way. The only thing that does give one cause to raise an eyebrow and wonder if truly did know the person who Killed her can be found in the words of Mr Mageau, and not His claim of Her calling Him Richard either.
Mageau stated that after they pulled in, Dee shut the engine off and had flashed the headlights of Her vehicle and never gave an explanation as to why she did this but it was shortly there-after that the mysterious vehicle comes crawling into the BRS Parking Lot.
Could it be that Darlene had flashed the lights to alert a 2nd person close by in a prearranged plan and the person then drives to the Spring Parking Lot, pulls in, and realises that She's brought someone else and sits there for a while fuming and weighing up His options before deciding to speed away and retrieve his gun and then return to teach Her a lesson?

Richard

12/24/2015 12:17:00 pm

Michael Mageau was unsure on whether the car of the killer was the same as the one that had been there previously a few minutes earlier. If however it was the same vehicle then this raises eyebrows. A killer like Zodiac with eyes on his intended prey, in a secluded car park would unlikely hesitate, drive off to gather his thoughts, then return. It's not impossible but unlikely, but if the person did know Darlene and had followed her there only to discover she had alternative romantic interests, then speeding away to acquire a weapon is not unrealistic and this is a good point Alex. I personally doubt it was Zodiac who appeared twice, he certainly wouldn't have worried about who the occupants of the car were from a standpoint of danger, he had a gun and being boxed in a car is a position it's almost impossible to escape from, especially with the engine turned off. I know that both you and I probably lean to the idea the Zodiac Killer did not know either of the victims and there is no tangible evidence to prove he did, and knowing what we know of the killer's brazen attacks at Berryessa and Presidio Heights, the apparent hesitation of a car pulling up and driving away before returning, seems very un-Zodiac like. My guess is Mageau saw two separate vehicles and not the same one twice. His description of the killer's car was extremely vague and nothing to me suggests he got any real view of the original vehicle either. I know there was a claim by Mageau about flashing headlights, but in the police report it suggests Darlene did this immediately after being shot to attract passing motorists to their plight, before obviously dropping into semi-unconciousness. Also, why would Darlene go with Michael for a quiet date and invite along a third party in covert fashion, Not forgetting that the couple had originally planned to go for a meal that night and they had a change of plan.
Also why would an annoyed love rival or somebody who got angry seeing them together have the forethought to grab a flashlight to use. They could have just got out of their car with the headlights on and shot the couple. The use of a rubber flashlight suggests control to me, to possibly dupe the couple into believing he was a policemen and may have done something similar at Lake Herman Road.
"Could it be that Darlene had flashed the lights to alert a 2nd person close by in a prearranged plan and the person then drives to the Spring Parking Lot, pulls in, and realises that She's brought someone else and sits there for a while fuming and weighing up His options before deciding to speed away and retrieve his gun and then return to teach Her a lesson?". Why if it was a personal crime committed out of anger, would you then risk placing a phone call 40 minutes later and sending written communication. To me if the killer knew Darlene he certainly doesn't want to expose himself any further by supplying a voice ID and handwriting samples and close the dragnet. These seemed to be risks a person would take who had no connection to either victim.

Alex link

12/25/2015 01:47:29 am

" I know that both you and I probably lean to the idea the Zodiac Killer did not know either of the victims and there is no tangible evidence to prove he did."

Yeah, and to be honest, even if He did know any of the victims in any sort of capacity, He is never going to offer this up or even hint at it because even back then in the late 60's, it's was a well known fact that a significant majority of people who will become Victims of Homicide will know their killer. This being a simple statistical truth is the reason, back in 1969 and still applies as we approach 2016 the Police Investigation will start with the Homicide Victims inner close family and friends and move outward to the associates and/or acquaintances.

Zodiac, if He knew any one victim, would almost certainly never want this personal connection to the victim discovered because then this may follow by discovery of true motive and ample opportunity.
Did He know any of the victims? No Idea and as I said I don't really even have an opinion that I could say I lean slightly toward one than the other. Nobody has ever made a definite link nor given strong evidence to support the theory so all I really can and would say is I see no evidence to persuade me He did know any of them.

To be honest Rich it doesn't help when you have Mageau 'Well Dee picked me up and said she was starving and so we decided to go to Ed's Diner for food until, en route, Dee decided she was no longer hungry and instead wanted to go out to The Springs to talk. So, We drove out there to do just that."

Jump Forward in Time.....

"Ohh, did I mention this guy chased us at speed all the way from Ed's to The Springs Parking Lot like a man possessed? No? Must have slipped my mind then until now."

We went out to the Springs to talk and made our way out there

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Alex Lewis {Welsh Chappie)

"I am the same Welsh Chappie that resides in the NEWPORT Area of South Wales, a City that had this hit The Parody, Newport State of Mind recorded on Location in and around the City. My own site with all facts and info on suspect Lawrence Kane can be visited via this link".

Police will never catch me because I am far to lucky for them!

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