Not Guilty by Association!

6/29/2016

This article was written by Alex Lewis (Welsh Chappie), whose own site detailing Zodiac suspect Lawrence Kane, can be found here.

I just wanted to write a short article detailing, or outlining, my position regarding the recent release of Xenophon Anthony as the Name or person Identified by witness.

I want to clarify that I have not published the non-redacted version with a 'This is now my New Suspect' or 'I believe this man is guilty' by any means. I go as far as to say that just based on the preponderance of evidence (preponderance is based on the more convincing evidence and its probable truth or accuracy, and not on the amount of evidence.) , that being, a positive ID by witness, He simply has to be the most interesting and/or likely suspect to be Z until evidence and proof is shown to the contrary.

The specific persistence in My wanting the Name released wasn't so much to find out who 'He' was, but rather, driven by a curiosity that the footnote reveals in a witness had identified Him, whomever He turned out to be, as 'Possible subject in this matter."

I don't claim Xenophon is Guilty of Paul's murder, nor that He is Zodiac, I leave this finger pointing to the eight year old who declared something similar. My point is, the actual Name itself was not the cause of My determination filing Several FOIA's, but rather, the effect. That effect being, the witness ID of the person whoever He turned out to be.

As for Xen, the info is there and I am not Championing Him as 'My Suspect' because that kinda blinkered, impaired investigative route to go down is just hampering yourself and your own ability to come at this from an objective stance, an approach that, if your to be taken serious, you simply must take!

I am acutely aware of reading into thing too much, or that old adage of: 'If you want something to be there and look long and hard enough, you'll find it.' This isn't to say all discoveries are see what you wanted to see and finding that which you set out looking for with a preconceived notion of it being there, not at all and no doubt that if Zodiac made a full confession tomorrow, certain theories and ideas put forward would be confirmed by the man behind their original construction. However, until then, I remain on the proverbial fence.

Whomever He was, it is as Law Enforcement have stated countless times, He held an entire City in His Iron grip of fear. . .

Richard

6/29/2016 05:25:37 am

This is an important question Welsh:
We have discussed the identification of Xenophon by the 8 year old. You place emphasis on the 'witness in the murder' to place the subject closer to the crime scene than not, but nevertheless it is an important sighting that you take on face value. In a crime with a very scant police report, the key eyewitnesses are crucial to the investigation. This is playing devils advocate, so bear with me. You have stated numerous times, placing importance on the Robbins kids sighting, how one teenager effectively pointed out the Zodiac to Pelissetti as he approached the top of Cherry Street, and the validity of their sighting in the first place. We both agree Donald Fouke likely spotted or stopped Zodiac and the great importance of the 8 year old sighting, that you have always sought to answer. Three sightings by three independent groups of people that paint a picture, that you accept as integral to the overall course of events that night, in particular the movements of Zodiac up Cherry and east on Jackson. Now we have three other independent corroborating sources
#1. Eyewitnesses seeing a man running into Julius Khan playground, stated in the Chronicle on October 12th.
#2 Robert Graysmith, who I know you have a lot of respect for, even though he made some outlandish claims, made the statement in his book that neighbours in the area of Julius Khan playground saw a man running into the park and a group of police and dogs were assembled here, backed up by the supposed musings of Toschi.
#3 Zodiac actually stating he entered the park, effectively at Julius Khan playground (1 1/2 blocks from approx 3712) in the Bus Bomb letter.
I know you err on Zodiac not entering the park, so I suppose my question is, you place high value on the 8 year old witness, Donald Fouke's encounter and the Robbins kids, but here we have three further testimonies indicating a Spruce/Julius Khan playground escape, but on this occasion you decide to choose not to believe it.
According to the Chronicle 'a man was seen running into the playground, reported the day after, Graysmith mentioned neighbours in the area of the playground. This is surely of great importance, applying credence to a park escape, even if a temporary evasive measure on behalf of Zodiac. If you apply the same significance or more to multiple neighbours spotting Zodiac, as you do the singular 8 year old, then surely your only conclusion can be that Zodiac entered the park at this location. If you choose to dismiss the sightings at Spruce Street, then it is easy to dismiss the 8 year old sighting with the same brush. The 8 year old discovery of a named subject is a great and important find, but when it is revealed not one, but several further eyewitnesses are key to the Zodiac movements as well, they are tossed out with the garbage and people continue blindly on with the 'car parked on Jackson/Maple' angle and Zodiac 'entered a house or garden' angle, both of which I don't dismiss but have no corroborating material to support this hypothesis, unlike the playground incident, which does. Now this is my argument for the prosecution Welsh QC. Now I shall take my wig off and you can tell me why I am totally wrong. The prosecution rests, and I will respect your civility and honourable response, my good friend.

Alex Lewis

6/30/2016 04:33:12 am

Rich I'm going to reply to the above by talking a few points you make and reply directly to each one, the first is your opening couple of sentences of:

"We have discussed the identification of Xenophon by the 8 year old. You place emphasis on the 'witness in the murder' to place the subject closer to the crime scene than not,"

No Rich I think you missing the vital most important bit. I would agree with you Rich that the phrase 'Witness in murder of Taxi Driver' could be a general reference to the crime as The Event overall if it were not followed by a declaration that the SFPD could not make, and would not make, if this witness had not seen the offender as He is commits the crime or at the very least, in and/or around the cab.

Right Rich, go with Me on this one a moment:

You & I live 300 yards apart and we know each other t say Hi to each other by Name if nothing more. 22.00, your in the kitchen making coffee standing at the Kitchen widow when a car door slam compelling you to look up from the mug and out onto the quiet side street and see a Man you are sure is Myself walking away from a taxi. You think no more of it until you hear a siren, then a second, then a third and all are getting louder until flashing blue's are bouncing through your kitchen window converging on the cab and you go outside to see the driver slumped over the wheel dead with knife protruding from Neck. You can rightly give cops My Name as the person who just exited it and walked away and this Rich clearly implies I was responsible.

Now, lets have that exact same scenario only this time you look up at the kitchen window as you hear footsteps and observe Me passing, 10 Mins thereafter and 3 streets away you discover a taxi driver has been killed and you speak to police. Are you going to suggest to Police "Alex Lewis is possibly Responsible for this crime" because if you did Rich the first thing cops will ask you is why you think that and if you said it is because I walked Past your house half an hour ago, three streets from the scene itself, they wouldn't accept thiis as viable because that is simply a huge leap. You've not seen anything in the second scenario that incriminates Me nor warrants such an accusation. Only the first scenario can and does.

Richard

6/30/2016 05:12:02 am

Yes Welsh you may well be correct, after all it made it into the FBI files, so it had to carry some weight. I wasn't doubting the fact the sighting may well have been closer to the scene, just I was trying to corroborate the sighting by linking it to others and double its magnitude. I still wonder if this kid knew the Robbins kids, after all they lived across the street from one another.

Richard

6/30/2016 05:13:29 am

I mean, maybe lived across the street from one another, or relatively close to each other.

Alex Lewis

7/5/2016 03:16:14 pm

"I wasn't doubting the fact the sighting may well have been closer to the scene"

It simply has to be. It comes down to this Rich: In order for you to Identify Me as possible person responsible for stealing a chocolate bar in a store, you have to be at that store and see me in the act of doing what I am alleged to have done.
You can't point me out and say you believe me to be responsible if you never observed me at the scene of the crime itself, it simply is not possible.

Richard

6/30/2016 02:09:05 am

The wording on the document could possibly indicate a sighting at the crime scene area, 3898 being a real possibility from what everyone has unearthed. But it certainly cannot be ruled out that one of the eyewitnesses near the Spruce/Julius Khan area was the 8 year old, however this kids description was a little more specific. It has to be remembered that Xen lived at 3218 Jackson Street and this is only 3 1/2 blocks away, increasing the chances of the witness recognizing the subject, of course, whether this person recognized him or not, does not mean the subject is Zodiac, although it nevertheless a new avenue worth a closer look. I don't think you have to explain yourself Welsh, although it's easy to get excited with new finds, you have not ever stated 'this is the man'. But what I think, is the location of the sighting is as interesting, if not more than the name of the person. If this 8 year old sighted something relevant and independent to the Spruce eyewitnesses, it gives us a further point in the map to possibly track the Zodiac's movements once he left the taxicab, assuming the man he saw was Zodiac. I wish the document had given us a description of the man, including weight, height, hair colour etc and his clothing. Although Xen was in the correct age range, we have little else, only pictures.
What I find interesting is

#1. Memorandum
"WMA, 35-45 yrs, about 5'10", 180-200 lbs, medium heavy build, barrel chested, medium complexion, light colored hair possibly graying in rear, crew cut, wearing glasses. Dressed in dark blue waist length zipper type jacket (Navy or royal blue). Elastic cuffs and waist band zipped part way up. Brown wool pants pleated type baggy in rear (Rust brown). "

#2.Three teenagers
"A white male, 25-30 years old, 5'8" to 5'9", stocky build, reddish-brown hair worn in a crew cut, heavy rimmed glasses and dark clothing."

#3. Page 2 of the police report
'#2 SUSPECT: WMA, in his early forties, 5'8", heavy build, reddish-blond, crew cut hair. wearing eyeglasses, dark brown trousers, dark (navy blue or black) "Parka" jacket, dark shoes.

#4 San Francisco Chronicle October 12th 1969
The suspect was described as white, about 40, 170 lbs, a blond crew cut, wearing glasses, wearing dark shoes, and dark grey trousers and jacket.

We know the last sighting couldn't be Donald Fouke, he said it himself. He went down to the region of Julius Khan playground and saw nothing, and this leaves only the neighbours, which may or may not include the 8 year old.

Richard

6/30/2016 02:31:46 am

In fact thinking about it the Graysmith account, the Chronicle article and the #2 Suspect in the memorandum are one and the same account , taken seriously enough to incorporate it by Pelissetti into the 2 page report. They describe a stocky man, heavy build, 170 pounds, 5'8" to 5'9", blondish crew cut and dark trousers. 170 lbs is 12 stone and 1 1/2 pounds, quite stocky for somebody only 5'8" 'ish.
Obviously these neighbours were interviewed by police, maybe Pelissetti, or at the very least incorporated by Pelissetti into the report.

Alex Lewis

7/5/2016 04:08:15 pm

Well, I really don't wanna sound like I am disagreeing with you on several points here because I am pushing the 'Xenophon is Zodeophon' agenda because I am not. But while I really try not to hae a suspect or agenda, R.G makes no secret or apology for doing so to the point where the man will outright lie to propel Allen as Guilty even after He knows Science has all but eliminated Him. When I watched what He said live on MSNBC News I was angry at His outright lying stating 'Facts' that were Fiction He created. Here's the clip in question where RG states Zodiac "Knew all the victims, stalked them..." and other Bull shit:

https://youtu.be/csjSbA7iIEg

Alex Lewis

7/5/2016 04:11:59 pm

"He used the Horoscope to guide His Methods..." Robert Graysmith.

He makes that as a statement of Fact. It's Bullshit, nothing more, nothing less and exactly zero evidence of that statement having any accuracy whatsoever!

Richard

6/30/2016 03:08:52 am

Zodiac Unmasked;
Fouke and Zelms chanced upon Zodiac in the shadows as he “lumbered” north toward the heavily wooded Presidio. He later claimed he glibly sent the officers roaring off in the wrong direction, then sprinted through Julius Kahn Playground, vanishing near Letterman Hospital. Zodiac’s narrow escape permanently enraged him toward the SFPD—a fury approaching that of a rebuffed suitor. Days later the two officers realized they had passed Zodiac. “I felt so bad for Officer Fouke,” Toschi said. “He was afraid he was going to be reprimanded and that’s why he waited so long. ‘Why would they reprimand you?’ Ireassured him. ‘No, you did the right thing in reporting it.’ This would have come out eventually because we
heard the transmission tape and we were trying to find out which Richmond Station unit was circling the area. We wanted to talk to them and find out if they had touched the cab. We had to know who was in the area. And finally, they came forward quite some time after. It was kind of frustrating. “Transmission to radio cars that night was halting. Lots of pauses. Units circling the area kept saying, ‘How many suspects? How many suspects?’ Communications wasn’t responding. They were telling officers, ‘Stand by—we’re dealing with youngsters—stand by!’ These kids were scared stiff and they were all trying to talk on the phone at once, and Communications were trying to get a true picture of a suspect or how many suspects. They were relaying the location . . . ‘Victim appears to be DOA . . . ambulance responding . . . we’re trying to get a description of suspect . . . ’ And they said that several times. ‘We’re dealing with youngsters.’ And the officers in the radio car, trying to make an arrest, asked, ‘What’s the
description . . . we’re responding . . . we’re close . . . we’re on Arguello [Avenue] . . . what’s the description?’ “And finally, the misidentification of an African American by someone over the airwaves threw Fouke and his partner off. There was so much
chatter going on because everyone figured it was a sloppy cab stickup gone wrong. The killer was supposedly seen on foot, and unfortunately a couple of words came over unintelligible and BMA blurted out when it should have been WMA.

“There were Richmond units and Park Station units all responding. They all knew that Julius Kahn Playground is there and that’s part of the Presidio. If he goes in there, we’re probably going to lose him. From Arguello, Fouke and Zelms would have to make a right going north, then onto Washington. They were probably the only unit there and I’m convinced that they actually saw the Zodiac. Fouke was more of a veteran officer than Zelms. As senior officer, he was driving and got the better view of the stranger. Apparently Zelms didn’t think it was anything. And Fouke would have had the radio conversation. Things happened so quickly. And then you have no idea that three days later you realize you’re dealing with the
most dangerous serial killer in the country.
“That cab was out of there long before the Fire Department arrived. All we wanted from them was a special smoke-eater unit for searchlight only. Coming up the hill from Arguello was an Army unit with large searchlight trucks. We had gone over everything and I told [Bill] Kirkindal and [Bob] Dagitz, ‘Get the cab out of here. The body’s gone.’ Neighbors were kind of leaning in. I had to ask two or three uniform guys, ‘Don’t let anybody near the taxi, guys, please.’ I had Dagitz follow the tow to the Hall of Justice. They put the cab in the impound room and started work on it in the morning.”

Richard

6/30/2016 03:14:09 am

Continued;
“I remember Officer Fouke telling us the composite drawing was not nearly as accurate as we originally thought with the children,” Toschi told me. Within the homicide division the wanted poster was changed to read “five feet eleven inches” tall. “That Zodiac was rounder-faced, bigger. When you think back to Fouke’s verbal description the word ‘lumbering’ sounds like a gorilla, for God’s sake.” As years passed, Fouke altered his estimate of Zodiac’s weight upward to 230-240 pounds and calculated his height at six feet or six feet one. He eventually recalled the low-cut shoes
as engineering boots and the jacket as “dirty.” “Zodiac,” he said to a television producer, was “walking toward us at an average pace, turned when he saw us, and walked into a private residence [on Jackson Street].” Toschi disagreed. “Zodiac disappeared,” he said. “‘Into the brush, somewhere in the park,’ is what Fouke said, not into a residence, not whatsoever. Fouke clocked the encounter at no more than five to ten seconds. We felt that Zelms and Fouke had stopped Zodiac, and did everything we could to keep it quiet so they wouldn’t be hurt by the police commission or embarrassed. I remember I talked to Don [Fouke] on the side. He was all teary-eyed. ‘Jesus Christ, Dave, myGod, it was the guy,’ he said. I said, ‘Yeah, it was, Don, but he could’ve killed you so easy. If
you had gotten out of your vehicle, unassuming, he could have blown you and Eric [Zelms] away. You gotta consider that.’ We had them do a sketch, sent our sketch artist out there, and got the composite.”

Richard

6/30/2016 05:03:41 am

Alex I was checking out the residences at Vallejo St, Broadway and Green St, east of Presidio park. There are several with basements in this region, one over 800 feet square. I looked at the topography of this region of Cow Hollow and it has hills and dips within itself, but the overall area lies in a low topography shown here http://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/topographic_orig.gif. An example of where you have hills within the low lying land can be observed facing away from a basement residence in Vallejo Street here https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.7941393,-122.4435747,3a,75y,95.51h,94.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scB-d22QXQA6eRjv_fIh6bw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

I imagine this sort of layout could describe the Zodiac's claim of " I have killed ten people to date. It would have been a lot more except that my bus bomb was a dud. I was swamped out by the rain we had a while back."
In view of the date of this letter the rainfall in San Francisco was particularly heavy in the months of December and January of 69/70 of 6.15 and 7.81 inches. In fact this was the heaviest rainfall since 1955/1956 in December and the second heaviest in January since 1955/1956. In fact the rainfall for these two months is well above average. http://ggweather.com/sf/monthly.html

If the Zodiac was telling the truth and he did have a basement residence, the rainfall seems to support his claim. And he may have lived in San Francisco. If we could ally his movements in the park to basement residences in 1969/1970 near the park, we may get a lot closer, after all if he didn't use a vehicle, a brazen attack on a taxicab driver in the heart of San Francisco would certainly suggest a nearby retreat. However Welsh if you are not a proponent of the park escape, tell me to f@'k off and shut the hell up.

Alex Lewis

7/5/2016 03:31:12 pm

The above post, while of interest and I congratulate you on some fine research, it comes down to & and totally reliant upon your last paragraphs opening sentence:

"If the Zodiac was telling the truth and he did have a basement residence, the rainfall seems to support his claim."

It's a big if, we are talking about the same man who stated: "I was leaving fake clews (sic) for the police to run all over town with." Then gave us the reason for this as: "I enjoy needling the Blue Pigs. Hey Blue pig, I was in the park..."

I think He's needling them that's all, trying to suggest He was right there for the taking and they missed Him cause they are dumb and stupid. Portray them in the press as a bunch of idiotic dick heads who don't know their arse's from their elbows just for the sake of infuriating them and that's why He likely outline in the margin "Must print in paper" in reference to that event.

" However Welsh if you are not a proponent of the park escape, tell me to f@'k off and shut the hell up."

Well, I am not a proponent of the Park Theory, However, I am far too much a Gentleman to issue the declaration that you offer Me to. *Grin* Ha.

Alex Lewis

8/7/2016 05:29:48 am

"Alex I was checking out the residences at Vallejo St, Broadway and Green St, east of Presidio park. There are several with basements in this region, one over 800 feet square."

Well that Bus Bomb letter has always seemed, at least to Me, as a whole cipher/cryptic message in and of itself in that the things and items mentioned in it are just as easily readable as metaphors for something else. Example? His 'Death Machine' and it's apparent location.
When He informs His readers that what We don't know is where this 'Death Machine' He speaks of currently is located. I have a suspicion The Death Machine He speaks of is actually the Zodiac Himself & if that's right, the letter seems to reveal the author & Zodiac are not one and the same and after declaring this Death Machine is already made, boasted:

"What you do not know is whether the death machine is at the site or being stored in my basement for future use."

Could this be the writer referencing Zodiac Himself was hidden in His basement shortly after the Execution of Paul? The writer goes on:

"I would have sent you pictures but you would be nasty enough to trace them back to the developer."

Assumption He knows readers will make here is that He refers to a photo developer, not as I suspect, a land developer to narrow down and pin-point that exact property.

He alludes to His belief that they don't have the manpower to find this D. Machine by continually searching the roadside, a fete which they did when searching for Him, The Zodiac, in P.H. I read that as His claiming they will never have enough manpower to find Him by searching along roadsides because He's in a basement close by.

Richard

6/30/2016 05:57:06 am

It always seemed a little far fetched to me of a killer who parks his vehicle somewhere near the crime scene of the taxicab murder and then uses public transport or walks to reach the Westin St Francis Hotel/ theatre district region, with the sole purpose of commandeering a taxicab driver to return back to where he just left to murder him. I may be wrong, but it doesn't sit right. He could equally, in view of his apparent affinity to the theatre, have traveled out that night armed, but with no express purpose in mind or a dual purpose. Had he visited the theatre district by Union Square and taken in a show, he likely viewed an evening performance at 7.30 pm to 7.45 pm. This would have him ringing or commandeering a taxicab around 9.40 pm, the exact time to begin his journey and reach Washington and Cherry around 9.55 pm, a journey time on a busy Saturday night of approximately 15 minutes. This timeline makes sense. He murders the taxicab driver and heads home. His directional movement of east after reaching the top of Cherry, at least may point to his location or residence, after all his initial intention by the log book was a block further east. He mentioned the heavy rainfall and basement on April 20th 1970, at least indicating a knowledge of the San Francisco weather patterns, then three months later his theatre references start appearing in the Little List letter, mentioning the Mikado, which has me returning to the theater district. I wonder if his crosshairs diagram in the Little List letter, if the black circle placed over the final crime scene, whether the centre of the crosshairs focus in on a specific area northwest of Washington and Cherry. I doubt it.

Alex Lewis

7/5/2016 03:46:43 pm

I don't think/Believe He had a waiting Vehicle in P. Heights. The reasons for my belief in this are numerous and outlined elsewhere. In the Previous Article I wrote prior to the one releasing Xen Anthony's name, I wrote a whole thread outlining my belief and the reasons thereof to state I strongly believe Z either occupied a Home on Jackson, or knew someone else that did and gave my reasons such as His choosing to direct Paul to Washington Street opposed to Jackson which,if His plan is to dash to the Park, why not direct Paul straight to Jackson & Maple/Cherry and not Washington and Maple/Cherry? Then the Document came back declaring that the person ID'd by a witness as possibly being Zodiac actually did reside on Jackson. Not to say this means Xen is Z, but it does give that Article and my Opinions in it slightly more credibility after it was learned Xen did live on Jackson.

We know Z loved seeing His name, at least the Moniker He Hid behind, making the front page and reading about Himself and what LE did and are doing. I think this may not have been enough and in the end He wanted to see the aftermath of His destructive nature first hand. Taxi driver as a victim for this would be perfect to get to drive a block or two from where you live before killing Him.

Then, in the days and weeks to come, He can converse we Neighbors and here the feedback and see the fear in the people who are all talking about 'Zodiac' coming to their little Presidio Paradise.

Alex Lewis

7/5/2016 03:54:25 pm

Converse with I meant, and Hear the Feedback rather than here. Do excuse my lackadaisical dick headed-ness.

I keep saying it, I can only be described as 'Deplorable at Best'

:-)

Alex Lewis

8/7/2016 01:26:02 pm

"It always seemed a little far fetched to me of a killer who parks his vehicle somewhere near the crime scene of the taxicab murder and then uses public transport or walks to reach the Westin St Francis Hotel/ theatre district region, with the sole purpose of commandeering a taxicab driver to return back to where he just left to murder him."

The exact logic I have used to also discount this idea all along mate. To be honest mate I've never really given this theory any real attention Rich due to it being completely illogical:

Z drives to Point A, drop getaway vehicle in situ.
Either takes the tams, cab, or walks back to Union Square.
Arrives at Union Square, put's thumb out and acquires cab back to place He just came from.
Arrive, draws weapon. Shot Fired.
Exits Cab, walks away along Cherry & onto J'son Street descending the Hill to Maple.

Conclusion? Bull Shiteeee. Z could have rang a cab to come to PH and the area of His choice with no intention of ever going anywhere in it, rather, just shoot the driver unlucky enough to get the dispatch for the job. Also, it appears His placement of the waiting getaway vehicle is, like almost everything He did this night, A bit of a complete Fuck up. Where is it, it's not on Washington Street at either Maple or Cherry it appears, and if it's on Jackson somewhere then it appears to rolled away down the Hill because Zodiac remains on foot as He approaches Maple Intersection on Jackson.

I can almost see that as Zodiac takes the first step onto Cherry vacating the scene a certain Richard Whiteley Lumbering after Him while in the background plays. . .

https://youtu.be/2JVwo3D72cc

Richard

7/6/2016 02:22:52 am

We may disagree on the point of where Zodiac went that night, at this moment in time, and that is fine, my good Welsh Chappie, but I must reiterate this point. You believe the Xen sighting to be powerful info. But what about another crucial sighting of the man seen running into the playground, how are you treating this sighting, If you don't believe the park escape, I presume you are dismissing this as false, because by Fouke's admission it wasn't his sighting. I await your final say on the matter before you reach the Euro 16 final.

Alex Lewis

7/6/2016 07:46:18 am

"You believe the Xen sighting to be powerful info. But what about another crucial sighting of the man seen running into the playground"

As for Xen and the amount of significance I personally give Him in this whole Z Saga, Yeah I suppose I do. Why, well, this leads into the sighting of the man who ran into the presidio. The significance of 'A Man' running into the Presidio is of Interest and even importance, the only one difference is, and it's an absolutely massive one, nobody then, or now, referres to the man running into JK Park as 'Identified' as the possible person responsible for the murder of Cab driver, as per the witness claim and that witness being, WITNESS IN MURDER OF CAB DRIVER....'

Come on Mr Grinell, what does One need to do to convince you this conclusion based on the evidence we can look to? Richie you are going to need a document along the lines of:

FOR USELESS INFO of IDENT. DIVVIES...

WITNESS IN NO MURDER OF ANYONE IDENTIFIED MR N. O. BODY, 123456 NARNIA STREET, SANTA ESKIMO, CA AS POSSIBLE NON EXISTANT SUBJECT IN THIS NON RELEVANT MATTER.
PS: URGENT. UN-SUB..... CONSCIOUS ZODIAC UMMM EXTORTION CRIME THING, XENOPHON.
YOURS, THE BORROWERS, OFFICIAL CRIME WITNESSES, ....WE THINK.

Serious though Rich, I'm game. I must demand you now convince Me how it's possible, given the wording and implication of identification made, that I am incorrect and that there is a way you can make that statement without clearly having to see offender at scene.

I Shall be over at the Semi-Final waiting till you've replied. WALES, SEMI-FINAL?? Still not sure it's real lol.

Alex Lewis

7/6/2016 08:02:15 am

And I have told you before Richard, you may not form then hold your own opinions without my consent and if caught I shall be forced to de-throne you from this site and take control.

I was thinking of a great analogy the other day for Sir Too-Mass Void Jr III. If The Z community was a Jet then those aboard Gaik Air would be Captained by a great Pilot.....

"Ladies & Gentlemen good afternoon and Thank You for flying with Gaik-Zode I amyour Captain TooooooooMass Void. We will shortly be taxing to the runway and taking off for our destination of No Idea. I as your CAPTAIN will fly this Jet around in Circles until fuel expires and the engines fail at which point we'll nose dive straight into the Atlantic Ocean.

. . .Then, after I Toooomass the Great Dunce have flown all who were fucking dumb enough to Board My Jet going f'ing nowhere into a place called nowhere where they can discover I was right all along.....no, wait, I mean wrong (AGAIN) all along because I was dropped on my head as a child. Do not assume the crash position, assume the F'ing Worst!

Alex Lewis

7/6/2016 12:46:44 pm

"We may disagree on the point of where Zodiac went that night, at this moment in time, and that is fine, my good Welsh Chappie.."

You never believe it would you, the ability to Co-Exist and converse in a civil manner while both holding opposite or counter views and opinions.

I do believe there is a word for that called tolerance. Tolerance and respect for others opinions while not consistent with Ones own is not A Universally practiced way. It what you learn to do Rich when you move out of the juvenile immature mind set into the Adult grown up mentality. Glad to see it in play here mate because as you & I know.....It's OK to disagree with each other and never does that result in nae calling, chat restrictions, removal of a right to speak freely etc.

For you running this fine site in the mentality of an adult, I must say: Thank You.

:-)

Alex Lewis

7/6/2016 05:57:28 pm

"But what about another crucial sighting of the man seen running into the playground, how are you treating this sighting"

Well first thing I personally would strive to do is, given that Z had almost certainly told Don that that's the general direction he saw a suspect go which saw Don respond accordingly in His patrol car that Has a radio He no doubt used to issue a broadcast update of His ow on the perceived area thr suspect is likerly to be, given this alone, I would look to first establish that the individual observed dashing througfh that area was the most obvious of people, a cop in there looking for the suspect. If it can be determined that n cop ran on foot through the area this witness observed the Un-Sub running then obviously the sighting becomes more relevant.

But for me, I'd be likely to have the instinctive first answer to mind be "More than likely a cop acting on the directional description given by Don. If that can be proven that it was not a cop on foot looking for suspect, then I think I would be accepting of the very viable probability that that man observed was the Zodiac.

I'd have to acknowledge Rich that the cops can't drive into and through JK Park to search, there is no access for vehicles so any cop wanting to go looking for potential suspect will, by default, be on foot.

Alex Lewis

8/7/2016 05:02:03 pm

" You believe the Xen sighting to be powerful info."

Well, yes and No Rich.

It's not really A decision or willful choosing on My part to see this as powerful Rich based on a random shuffle and stop and taa-daaaa, there's where it stopped lol.

I think mate that I personally see it as 'powerful' as you phrase it, I Myself pefer "Fall off my chair' evidence for it's ability to stand alone in evidence terms.

Basically mate, in a nut-shell this is my perspective of it. Had this Zodiac case, the intigative efforts abd reports, had it been littered with, or even 3 or 4, sod it, even ONE OTHER positive Identification of someone, the weight and importnce of this witness and Xen, I wouldn't see it nor give it My primary focus and attention. But Rich, that's where this evidence speaks for itself and doesn't need me to because it sceams at You & I Rich that this is stand alone, there is no secondary evidence of this type that even comes close to this, it speaks for itself in that a witness put a name to a face that this witness believed was the person they had seen at the cab.

They say Rich that DNA as evidence is brilliant, if you have or find a match. DNA without match is absolutely useless because it can do nothing to put the DNA with a name & face. In the same way, a face is just a face if you don't recognize who it belongs to, then the young witness would be expected to offer:

"Ummmmm, Recall seeing spectacles. Ummm, I assume that He may have had face at some point, otherwise, why have specs and such, and uhhh, yeah, Man who, based on remembering seeing uhh, seeing H. R Glasses, may also have had a face too."

In all seriousness though Rich, we see no vague descript's that could fit half of the State's WMA'S, no generalizations mate at all!

This witness didn't do that Rich, we don't get a basic description, nor are We treated to round of descriptions all at odds with another Rich, what we get Rich is witness not just ID'ing a WMA who quickly ran away before could arrive so that they could fail to stop & apprehend Him because He wore trousers (Pleated ones! It's absurd for a person that goes around wearing trousers, PLEATED, to commit homicide while wearing them.)

It's significance mate is it's unmatched, unchallengeable status of Being One of A possible, One.

Alex Lewis

8/7/2016 05:35:17 pm

It's not too different to that print found at the Cab Rich. Let's, just for the moment anyway, say we believe the print did come from the hand of an unwilling, and unintentionally left behind Zodiac then, call the chronicle, here comes Chief Lee to make the fantastic announcement of such a discovery, a discovery that with a suspect prints to match them too are about as useful as a Chocolate Umnbrella! Same Rich for the face without a Name, not really a huge help. What We have here Rich, if we were playing bingo, is a full house:

Offender observed by witness we shall call 'PERSON.' PERSON sees naughty man, One tat had shot A taxi driver that He shouldn't have. at place where His very presence being there is overwhelmingly Incriminating all by itself.

If that blood red fingerprint Rich can be the analogy for a moment Richard then we'd have a pint, it's clear and is observed and like Xenophon, it's cross-checked & MATCH FOUND! This is A positive match Rich that gives a name, you tell me how this is a huge difference to a witness being the evidence or the one offering it, before applying a Name to that observed face He/She saw to matching a print?

'Person.'

Alex Lewis

8/7/2016 06:12:27 pm

"But what about another crucial sighting of the man seen running into the playground, how are you treating this sighting."

I don't mate, or I haven't given it that great importance to be totally truthful mate because it, at least for now and until I am shown proof positive, or solid evidence to show Witness Ident was flawed, and why, then this witness and His/Her sighting for me, and again, just My perspective, has to, and will take precedence over & above all others.

How can it not mate because all others are quite useless and extremely vague & general same type of thing: A White Male, Approx. Age 35 - 45 if Foukes your man, Mid 20's if your the three witnesses supporter,then He's Mid 20's and Has a Light Brown to a Dark Blonde hair color with red tint also and graying at the rear, and widows peak at front in crew cut.

If you broadcast A Bolo with this Rich for "ALL UNITS BE ADVISED, YOUR SUSPECT WILL BE A WHITE MALE AFRICAN AMERICAN ADULT.. ." followed by the hair description above I'd be diving onthe radio because once I see chance for sarcasm, cannot help myself:

"This is P.C 007 MBE, on route and requesting a repeat of the suspect description pelase, just need confirmation from dispatch that we are looking for a circus clown, I repeat.......***Sigh** CIRCUS CLOWN. . .

Richard

7/6/2016 08:03:44 am

I agree Welsh 'witness in cab murder' is strong.

"nobody then, or now, referres to the man running into JK Park as 'Identified' as the possible person responsible for the murder of Cab driver." No but the description is almost identical to the three teenagers and Donald Fouke, so unless there are killer triplets on the loose, it must be a horrendous coincidence. If it looks like Zodiac, dresses like Zodiac, then it probably is a duck.

Alex Lewis

7/6/2016 01:37:36 pm

I posted asking why the media and press blackot on this witness & His/Her ID of X.E & Ricardo suggests:

"
I am guessing that at the time in 1969 the police did not want it to be public knowledge that there was another witness who could identify the Zodiac killer.

My reply...

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Why on Earth Not? Isn't the whole point of the entire Investigation itself to find that one single thing, the Name and/or Identity of the man killing Citizens that calls Himself Zodiac?

Otherwise what is the point? What is LE's Goal?

Crossing now Live to The SFPD HQ where we are told an update on the Z case is to be announced.... Here comes Chief M. Lee to make the announcement"

"Ladies and Gentleman, Mr Graysmith too, We are calling this press circus this evening to reassure the public of the following developments:

Yes, that is True Mr Avery, We have uncovered Zodiac's true Identity. That Identity is our secret so you, the press, can F' Off, Media here's the extended middle finger and, good Night San Fran."

When Gary 'Green River' Ridgway & Dennis 'BTK' Raider's Identities were brought forward from the dark and dim shadows into the light, would it have made sence for Sheriff Dave Reinhert to get a call from The Crime Lab declaring "Sheriff, we have a hit on the DNA. We got a CODIS hit on Gary Leon Ridgway...." and the Sheriff interrupt 'How Nice. . ." then hangs up on the lab instigating a media, Police Dpt & FBI Cover up because, ermmm, Mr Ridgway has a Wife and We don't wanna turn Her Life upside down poor thing.

The first thing LE do when they believe they have caught such a serious criminal who poses an extreme threat and danger to the public every second He has His Liberty is to announce They have Him in custody. Everyone offers Detectives their gratitude & Congratulations on the Detectives ability to Detect, while tipping their hat to the Investigators ability to Investigate. Everyone comes out smelling of Roses, the fear and Community Concern is now no longer.

Just makes no rational sense at all to say absolutely nothing!"

It's Counter-Intuitive at best!

Richard

7/6/2016 02:31:12 pm

The question now Alex, is where do we take it from here.

Alex Lewis

7/6/2016 02:45:00 pm

"The question now Alex, is where do we take it from here."

The Answer is Rich, as far as we possibly can, and when we have gone as far as we can and get there, then We can push to go a little bit further until, to quote Neil Armstrong: "Discoveries are there to be made, available to those who can remove one of truths protective layers..."

Welsh Chappie Alex

7/6/2016 02:33:40 pm

"If it looks like Zodiac, dresses like Zodiac, then it probably is a duck."

Rationality & Logic does suggest that if you take One Man who resembles Zodiac, dressed in attire almost identical to Zodiac, then the odds are going to te you...."It has to be a duck"

Still amazes me that I can have such intellectual prowess and IQ Score measuring 'Above Genius' Level, and I did not even go to Oxford nor grace Cambridge with my presence.

But No, back to the realm of the serious: I don't say Rich I oppose this man seen running into the Presidio being Zodiac, there simply is no good basis to argue against it being Him.
Again Rich, I am not looking for the garlic & crucifix every time the it's proposed Z enters the Grounds while I Hiss: "Back oh unclean theory of the diabolical realms, BACKKK" No.

Now where you will be met with the most firm resistance by myself is if people try and tell me they Believe Zodiac and He was, as He declared, heading for the park as this was the planned out scenario. I ain't having it if people wish to offer me membership a club that believes "It really was a fantastic move on the Zodiac's part, it's such a great idea to run into an open expanse area, hide in a bush, maybe behind a conspiring Tree, and sit there and congratulate Himself to be totally surrounded by LE as more and more resources & manpower flood the area and now Rich, now we can bring My & your favorite feathered friend back, the Duck. It seems Rich, after careful observation that it has now become a sitting Duck!

LOOK! For there goes Zodiac the Duck inspired fountain of great, logistical & Geographical brilliance! Ah-Ha, just as I suspected! Z is now a sitting Duck in a fairly open area!

I must thrown in some dramatic speculation also at this point Rich by suggesting He now decides to furiously dig tunnels starting with Tom, before considering Dick, then deciding that Harry will now be used to perform The Great Zodiac Escape. Tunneling his way out of the Presidio because that is the only way He stands any chance of not being detected, assuming Z didn't have the ability to fly, that is.

I mean He laughs in the face of Alcatraz, the Escape Proof Super Max of it's Day! I can almost see His putting pen to paper to waist no time in dismissing the idea that 'The Rock' can hold someone of His Esteem...

"If you try and stop me collecting of Slaves by water and it's waves, I shall be simply walk from the Rock, across the the Bay area Shores. If The Son of God can walk on Water, then I must defy gravity and laws of physics too. Adios!

Richard

7/6/2016 02:56:10 pm

“All men make mistakes, but a good man yields when he knows his course is wrong, and repairs the evil. The only crime is pride.”
― Sophocles, Antigone

Richard

7/6/2016 03:01:30 pm

Do you believe Welsh that the 8 year old witness is likely from 3898 Washington or what is your gut feeling.

Alex Lewis

7/6/2016 06:29:26 pm

I don't know Rich and I try not form opinions or hold a belief in something until I have reason and grounds to do so.

I think My insistence on this comes from the fact that I personally have a pet hate where someone tells me they believe something or give me their opinion & when I ask what they base their belief on, or what evidence led the to form their Opinion, there is nothing worse as a response that will give themselves no credibility at all is the response of: "I believe this to be factually true & the reason for my strong belief in this being true is because I have decided it is."

Basically Rich I always try, if I can, to have some basis I can show, some fact of relevance or whatever it may be, that if I am asked why I hold such an opinion on an issue, I can give a an answer pointing to A B and C as My reasons or the foundations of a belief itself to build on and add to and that it isn't just a house of cards belief that will easily crumble to nothing upon the first challenge or question to it.

So Me personally, I will remain on my Fence until more detail or fact's/evidence comes to light.

Alex Lewis

8/8/2016 12:34:12 am

"Do you believe Welsh that the 8 year old witness is likely from 3898 Washington or what is your gut feeling."

I know I replied to this a week or two ago, However, I have reformed My Opinion. Exiting Isn't it? Lol.

No but as to your question above Rich on whether I think the Eight yr old Witness is likely from 3898, then I would say if an occupant was listed at that address as resident there with relevant age of Eight, gut feeling..... Instinct....Law of probability....Law of averages....law of (lol) ...

Seriously though, My Revised Answer: Probably, Yes. Or at the very least I'd say it's far more likely than a listed resident of matching age on Jackson st or Spruce, even West Pacific Avenue.

Any details on the whereabouts of the former 3898 resident today? Still in Sate of CA? If yes, any more specific info such as current address?

Richard

8/8/2016 01:18:20 am

Still lives in San Francisco. Have to do a bit of research to narrow it down. As for the Zodiac not having a vehicle parked nearby, then by inference we have to think Zodiac likely lived in the area of San Francisco. That's the most reasonable interpretation anyway. This however makes his BRS phone call even stranger. If you have just shot a couple near midnight in Vallejo, why not drive back to San Francisco and make the call anywhere en route away from the danger zone ie; half way. It's late, you have the smoking gun, why not lay down a nice buffer zone somewhere distant from the crime scene to make the call. Hanging around for 40 minutes then heading back to San Francisco is surely taking unnecessary risks. I know Zodiac seemed oblivious to risk as he proved in the Paul Stine murder and the shirt piece, but even so on the occasion of BRS it was needless, he wasn't collecting a souvenir and there were plenty of payphones on his 40 odd mile back to San Francisco. This phone call always said to me he was a resident of Benicia or Vallejo, but the fact he may not have had a car in the vicinity of Presidio Park throws a little doubt on the Vallejo/Benicia connection. We would have to also assume this serial killer bucked the usual (although not always) trend of committing his earlier crimes further from home and saved the nearest till last, likely feeling more confident of evading police than ever. I am torn 50/50 on this one. Unless he moved from the Vallejo region sometime before the Stine murder, maybe to be closer to his work, somewhere in the San Francisco region.

Alex Lewis

8/13/2016 02:03:06 pm

"Hanging around for 40 minutes then heading back to San Francisco is surely taking unnecessary risks. "

Show Me a Zodiac attack in which He doesn't assume extra, unnecessary risk?

To be quite Frank Rich I often find Myself in literal disbelief that any One offender could be so lucky.

Lake Herman: "There were people out there and cars going by all except for one 20 minute gap, and that's when it happened'

Berryessa: Fishing Boats and other boats were sailing by the Island up to the time Zodiac makes an appearance. Then it would appear that the World Stops for 15 to 30 minutes during the time He's exposed on the Island in that costume as no boats pass, nor vehicles go by on the road atop the hill. Zodiac vacates Island, World resumes and Ohh look, here comes a passing boat now...

Presidio: Dispatcher gives Zodiac a free pass by issuing a BOLO for a BMA, thus allowing Don and Eric the chance to speak to Him before allowing Him on His way.

The Laws of Random Chance and Law of Averages Rich would call this sequence of events to play out by luck 'Exceedingly unlikely'

Richard

7/7/2016 07:50:41 am

You got the redacted Xenophon Anthony document from Zodiac 2 pdf page 15/41. It states above on page 1 of 2, Urgent 11-6-69. The following page 16/41 says 'Latent fingerprint section work sheet'. Recorded 11-7-69. In other words the following day. My guess this is in part response to the 8 year old sighting, along with three other names.
You will notice Welsh on page 16/41 there are only four Dates of Birth (DOB), but 5 lines. The third line or person may be of more significance with the FBI notation next to it. I took the redacted section of Xenophone L Anthony from page 15/41 and superimposed it next to 16/41, in this list of four suspects. It is identical in length. See here. http://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/4koe_orig.gif
This list may well contain the name Xenophon Anthony, meaning an urgent response to the 8 year old sighting was followed up immediately. The examination was done at 3pm on the 6th, but received on the 7th. The writing is awful, but it is obviously detailing latent fingerprints, and bearing in mind the date and the Paul Stine murder, they are likely performing comparisons from the taxicab. IF this were the case and one of the four named suspects was Xenophon Anthony, it could likely be in reference to him touching the taxicab, which may cement your argument on the 8 year old viewing somebody in and around the taxicab. However if one of these subjects was Xenophon Anthony and/or his fingerprints were taken as routine procedure, my guess is his fingerprints did not match the blooded fingerprint found on Paul Stine's taxicab. This means that [1] Xenophon Anthony was not Zodiac [2] The blooded fingerprint was not Zodiac's, meaning all options are still on the table. Whether Anthony was at the taxicab or not, they must have compared his fingerprint to the blooded taxicab print, if they deemed the 8 year old sighting important enough to put in the FBI files. If they did compare it, and it didn't match, the only way this man could remain viable, is if the blooded fingerprint was not Zodiac's. The final question is do you want to write away for this document or shall I.

Richard

7/8/2016 05:02:02 am

I have sent off for 16/41 today.

Alex Lewis

7/8/2016 10:50:38 am

Cool. Keep us posted on the response when & if you get it.

It seems that back then in the late 60's in times before Computer Databases & the luxury of today's IFAIS (Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System) that if a certain agency anywhere wanted to check a suspect's prints against a Latent Lift then the FBI would be the Agency needed to do this. On Page One of the Xen Doc the SFPD ask the FBI to compare the Latent Fingerprints lifted in this case with the following suspect Fingerprints....IF they have them.

I assume from that that back then a Law Agency would always simply send a suspects Name, Address & His DOB to the FBI Latent F'print Section and if they had the persons prints on/in their fingerprint index Card Files they would compare them and if not, obviously they could not.

I Would assume Rich that the residents of such a wealthy and upscale area, 99% of them will have no criminal records/convictions and as such, their prints will never have been taken and on Police/FBI Records. If they don't have His prints on file, their is now only two ways to acquire them and that's ask Anthony who can agree to give them via His own free will choice and/or, the only other way to get them, Get a Warrant which you will first need to convince a Judge you have the grounds to require them before He/She will sign & issue the Warrant.

But whatever it turns out to be, I would like to know what they used to eliminate Him. And that Blood Red 'Here I am' Fingerprint found on the Taxi's interior I have never been confident using it to eliminate suspects and have said this many times way way before the name Xenophon came to light and, in fact, only a week or so ago I said to Mike_R I am not at all convinced is from the same hand of the man who pulled the trigger in the that very same taxi.

I mean I am quite sure if I called for the eliminating of Suspects in the OJ Trial Style of 'Hand does not fit the glove found at the scene' people would immediately reject my proposal on the basis that "We have no real evidence that the gloves belonged to The Offender." Well, this applies to the print found also surely, No?

Some, in fact I would hazard a guess that the majority, will point to the fact that because it was a 'Fingerprint left in blood' in increases significantly the potential for it to be the offenders and I get that, nothing wrong with that logic, but there is another way to look at this print other than at face value. . .

This is not A Latent Impression Left that Zodiac Missed because it's invisible to the naked eye, no no. This is in a taxi, overhead light is on so it very bright & not easy to miss bright red fingerprints if they are there. Then We have Rebecca and Her Brothers observe the meticulous Man produce a white rag like cloth, possibly a handkerchief, and use it to wipe down both the interior dash and doors, and also the exterior to remove any latent impression that are not visible with naked eye & is so concerned He may miss latent's that He forgets about the ones clearly visible to Him.

He really would go beyond Martin Lee's assertion of 'Clumsy' because for a man obsessed with the removal of potential Latent FP's, He grabs hold of the seats back sjpport with His ungloved blood soaked hands which is a great idea because He'll forget to wipe it down after grabbing it because He can actually physically see that one and so leaves it there because that makes complete sense except obviously that it doesn't. Meticulous, attention, care & time dedicated removing what He cannot see while missing & leaving behind that which He can = very unlikely & extremely Counter Intuitive.

Alex Lewis

7/8/2016 01:10:23 pm

But anyway, going back to your question: "Do you believe Welsh that the 8 year old witness is likely from 3898 Washington or what is your gut feeling."

As I said, having some basis or good reason you can point to for supporting a certain theory, having a certain belief, why you may be against rather than for something, or whatever the specifics may be, I would say in regards to this case and point specifically the following:

If we can establish that yes, indeed, there was a child listed for the residential address of 3898 W'ton St who would have been eight years of age in Oct. of 1969 then great, we have found a person that matches the FBI witness age of Eight in the relevant proximity. If Rich you could add to that with a certainty that "And after researching US census records and/or the occupant's of properties that All Three Homes that border and overlook that Intersection and maybe the House adjacent to each of these three (basically the couple of homes close enough to see that taxi and any person in or standing next to it clearly enough at night that you can Identify them) did not have anyone of the relevant matching Age of Eight....I would then probably say in that case I am pretty confident in forming the opinion that this person is probably (can't say definitely, cause we can't 'Know' for certain obviously) the witness referred to in the "For Info of Ident. Dvsn" Statement in the FBI Document.

As a side note: I wonder why this witness,whoever they were/are ( Dependant on if Alive / Decesed) they have never came forward to make any sort of statement at all in the years and Decades that followed. Law Enforcement, for some reason that I just don't understand, failed to even mention that this Witness even exists and was there let alone mention the positive Ident of Him & LE now have that suspects name. Why the complete media blackout and silence because they decided not to inform them of this development.

I can tell you Rich that A Doctor and His young Son were walking in and around Lake Berryessa the previous Month and saw a White Male with Dark Jacket and White Shirt protruding out from the bottom of it. I know this man was there and seen Rich because they came forward and told the police of their encountering Him just before Zodiac attcked Bryan and Cecilia in the very same area. NAPA PD/Solano Sheriffs Office were kind enough to take the witnesses testimony and log in a what they called a Police Report on the incident, a procedure that only applies to every other agency except SFPD.

Alex Lewis

8/13/2016 11:40:48 am

"I have sent off for 16/41 today."

Your getting as bad as me for filing FOIA's lol. At one point I feared the FBI may issue an International Arrest Warrant for Me for Harassment :-)

No but serious, if there is something in the files that You come across and feel is absolutely crucial to get that redacted name or info released (such as I did with Xenophon) then file a FOIA. If I was a pessimist Rich, I'd have shrugged my shoulders after the first two Failed to reveal Xen's Name and gave up. However, The Wladimir Klitschko Moto is one I believe in: 'Failure is not an option.'

Alex Lewis

8/13/2016 02:18:49 pm

Rich for years now I've has this unshakable belief or instinctual gut feeling that the Presidio Heights event and the people involved in it know something groundbreaking that they, for whatever reason, are not telling us now because they didn't back then either.

Now, I accept in advance if I am to be deemed a 'Conspiracy Theorist' because after all, that's what We must call those who question the official version of events. George W said We must!

So, the Official Version according to the SFPD....

Well, take your pick!
Which of Fouke's versions shall you choose as the correct one? How will you explain the fact that three witnesses are recorded in a police report that cannot name an offender, yet a Fourth who can is omitted? I await being told by anyone that will call Me a conspiracy theorist "Alex, it's normal for cops to stop and speak to a Man not one block from a homicide, and not request His details before turning Him loose." Can you also tell me this Bumbling idiotic dispatchers Name? I can go on and on.

Richard

7/8/2016 12:44:58 pm

It is still unclear at the moment where the murder of Paul Stine occurred. This 8 year old witness may have seen the murder, or heard a gunshot at Washington and Maple, and Xenophon may have been near this intersection when viewed, causing the police to dismiss it as a mistake, after all their conception was the killing occurred one block west. It may, although unlikely, be reason for the killer to have 'managed' the taxicab from the Washington and Maple intersection to the Washington/Cherry intersection, as he observed the eyewitness.

Alex Lewis

7/12/2016 11:59:51 am

Who He is Rich I care not. If The Truth lay with Tom's Richard Gaik or Rodelli's K.Q, Not relevant. If you produced Evidence Tomorrow, proof beyond reasonable doubt, Xen was a mistaken ID....Great and I fully accept.

Discovering who 'He' is or was is of interest to me yes, but the most important of all to know and remember the names of are those who's lives He senselessly snuffed out!
I am not immune to the Z mythology and, dare I say, I would suggest all of us are to a degree. 'The Worthy Adversary' for them that wear a Badge. The Guy who informed all of us before the the 1960's rolled into the beginning of the Seventies boasted "Police Shall Never catch me" then followed up this self assured assertion by declaring why this would be the case with "Because I have been too clever for them."

"I have been too clever for them." He declared and thus, His prediction to remain at large and His Name Unknown forever came to pass and many must believe it to be due to what He Himself decared it to be, His supreme cleverness and ability to out-think Martin Lee, to Squash the efforts of Dave Toschi, and kick sand in the face of Kenneth Narlow!

He's become a Legend in the Minds of them that either don't know any better or fail to have the full case facts in hand.

He was, back in a place called Reality, really stupidly clumsy and far far from any criminal Genius, a title bestowed on Him by ill informed people who know only that: 'He was never caught.' No, He wasn't. But it wasn't for His own lack of trying because He, metaphorically speaking, placed His own Head on a Silver Platter for SFPD, and they responded with 'No Thank you.'

A quote from a man I hae admired from afar is appropriate here: "I still have the Heart Ache, still feel the Rage, I waited years for Justice....I know what it's like to be there and just waiting for some answers." John Walsh in reference to His Son Adam's Murder.

Alex Lewis

7/12/2016 12:06:02 pm

I just wish the day would come when i could visit Find-A-Grave Site and proceed to Betty Jensen's memorial to write a final message:

"May you now Betty, Rest in Peace. The World now knows the name of the man that took your life. Goodnight."

Richard

7/12/2016 12:18:19 pm

I am not saying Xen was necessarily mistaken id, just that he could have been spotted near or in the taxicab at Washington and Maple and the police believing the murder was at Washington and Cherry, dismissed the sighting too quickly.

Alex Lewis

8/13/2016 02:34:45 pm

Rich the comment above you wrote nails this incident and why something isn't right. You start with:

"It is still unclear at the moment where the murder of Paul Stine occurred."

True, and so much else is unclear, too. You then, as have I, continue to speculate on This witness, who they are, where they saw the suspect, why they believed He was Z and on and on. You know what Rich, the fact is, We shouldn't have to speculate and guess why this and why that because official procedure calls for this to be recorded by the authorities.

Let's say for the moment we accept Hearsay as evidence, circumstantial in nature. Lets then say we accept the 3rd hand account of 'A Friend' of on scene witness Rebecca & Brother who gave an account of what they alleged Rebecca had told them about that night and did so right up to the point where One Armond Pelissetti sets off on foot along Cherry st, going after the Zodiac. This 3rd hand witness gets to this point and suddenly stops dead in their story with: "What happens next, well, what happens next is to be told at another time."

That to me is as good as a confession of "Something then takes place that has been covered up, and so I am not saying here on this thread at this time..."

Richard

7/12/2016 12:33:36 pm

Have you watched the new DB Cooper documentary on the History Channel. Very interesting. D.B. Cooper: Case Closed? Part 1 & 2.
http://www.alluc.ee/stream/D.B.+Cooper%3A+Case+Closed%3F

Alex Lewis

7/12/2016 09:40:14 pm

"I am not saying Xen was necessarily mistaken id..."

No I didn't mean to imply you did Rich, not at all. I was simply saying I personally am more than open to it as a possibility. The truth is Mate We don't know. All You and I can do is use what We have and in Xen's instance it's the wording that has a clear and obvious implication to it which must be suggestive of a witness seeing the Offender in the act of committing His Offence in order for that Witness to make Xenophon Anthony synonymous with that of 'San Francisco Zodiac Killer.'

Whether that witness was accurate & correct or Mistaken and Wrong? Only Xen and the witness and His/Her strength of conviction in their Identification of Xen can know the ansnwer.

Alex Lewis

7/12/2016 09:50:01 pm

No not seen that one. But, I can offer you a bit of trivia! The Sky-Jacker never referred to or called Himself 'D.B Cooper.' This Name stuck after a press error used it, you know, similar to the 'T.L Stine' mistake referring to Paul. Dan Cooper was the only Name He used as His Alias, no other including D.B.

That one is free Rich (Lol)

Alex Lewis

7/12/2016 10:01:45 pm

There is one other Mystery that remains unsolved that is truely baffling that has captured my attention on a 'Zodiac like scale' and that's the 1959 'Dyatlov Pass' Incident that took place in Russia's Ural Mountains. Again, as with most unsolved incidents, there has been a distortion to facts because it seems more fitting for a 'Paranormal Incident.'

The actual Mountain it happened at has a specific English Translation of 'Dead Mountain' so named by the Mansi Tribe because Nothing grows there and it's a place of little to no advantage for Humans.
This very logical name 'Dead Mountain' was mistranslated and to this day many believe it to be called 'Mountain of the Dead' after the 9 perished there. Spices it up see and gives it a far darker & ominous feel.

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Alex Lewis {Welsh Chappie)

"I am the same Welsh Chappie that resides in the NEWPORT Area of South Wales, a City that had this hit The Parody, Newport State of Mind recorded on Location in and around the City. My own site with all facts and info on suspect Lawrence Kane can be visited via this link".

Not Guilty by Association!

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