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He pulls the knife, and the next thing I know. . .

1/8/2016

 
This article was written by Alex Lewis (Welsh Chappie), whose own site detailing Zodiac suspect Lawrence Kane, can be found here.

There are points of interest to mention that occur on September 27th at Lake Berryessa, starting first of all with Bryan Hartnell's description of the 12" knife the hooded man used to inflict the horrific injuries or the Two unsuspecting victims. Here is the relevant excerpt from the police report where the description of the knife is mentioned:
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So,  what is it that stands out about the above description of the knife for me? It's the: "Cotton surgical tape wrapped approx. 1"around the handle of Knife." 
 Even in todays World with CSI and Forensic Science being as popular as it is, there are seldom examples of people taking such a precaution before repeatedly stabbing someone such as it would appear Zodiac did here. The reason for this is simple, most people don't know and are not aware of the fact that a significantly high number of cases where a victim is stabbed multiple times, the offender will also be injured and not by the victim in their own defence, but by the offenders own knife as the stab the victim because what tends to happen almost without exception is that the victims blood seeps onto the handle of the knife in the offenders hand and thus makes the grip of person holding it very unstable and when they then use force to inflict another stab wound their own hand will slide off the handle and down and onto the blade itself and thus, slicing open the palm of their own hand. One Episode of Homicide Hunter broadcast recently saw Lt. Joe Kandra arrive at a fatal stabbing and follow a trail of blood from the home of the deceased victim and around onto the next street and literally right to the front door of the suspects own home because He had, as a majority do, cut himself in the act of stabbing the victim and bled drops of blood as He fled Home. It is an extremely common injury to occur and yet not widely known by those who end up using a knife to assault others and that's why I say even in todays World, this injury is still extremely commonplace. The offender only discovers this is what will happen after the fact and too late as it leads to their being caught. 
 
 So the question needs to be asked: Did Zodiac know this was likely to result from Him stabbing the victims and so add a little gadget to the knife in order to stop His hand slipping off the handle and onto the blade? Certainly appears that way. The subsequent investigation of the area found footprints leading both to and from the crime scene, but no drops of blood along with them so this offender did not suffer this common injury and its likely due to His advanced knowledge of this occurring and adding a support cotton loop to secure His hand and stop it slipping off the blade.
 So the obvious question one must ask is, does He know to take this precaution having learned the hard way and cut Himself in a previous outburst? If not, does He work in a setting/job that deals with one or both the victim and/or offenders in stabbing crimes?
Alex Lewis
1/8/2016 10:10:16 am

Then you have the account as given on camera from back when the incident occurred of Ranger William White. This is also recounted in the official Police report which states: "According to White, the Male victim said the subject approached them, wearing a hood, dressed in dark clothing." Skip a sentence or two and we find the relevant: "Subject stated that He had to tie them up, and after they were tied the responsible said; "I'm going to have to stab you." White further related that the male victim advised the responsible "Stab Me First, I can't stand to see Her stabbed first."

Now Hartnell over the years has point blank refused to talk about this incident when asked to time and time again, until that is, 2007. In 2007 Hartnell was asked to give His account one time on camera for The Documentary 'This is the Zodiac Speaking' which was being shot to coincide with the release of the Hollywood smash 'Zodiac.'

Hartnell agreed to this but made it clear He was ageing to speak this one time and one time only and stated that His decision to agree to this was largely based on His wanting to dispel a claim that He said was annoying to him as it was ridiculous. He then went on to say that this was the claim of Him asked to be stabbed first. He said this is utter rubbish and He never said such a thing. He stated in this written interview, as He is seen confirming in the Documentary, that the first time He even knew anything about this man intending to stab them was when He felt it thrust into his back.

So are we to think that Bill White is just another in a ever growing list of police and officials who decide they are simply going to make up a complete load of utter bull shit and pass it off as truth because they are lunatics?

Anyone that is looking for me to give an answer on this thread as to why, I'm afraid will be disappointed because I haven't got any logical answer or reason and I was kinda hoping you,, the reader, could tell me the answer to this statement that was reported as fact but which never did get spoken by Hartnell

Alex Lewis
1/8/2016 10:22:09 am

In this same documentary the Cameraman or Narrator can be heard off screen asking "Why wasn't the Zodiac ever caught?" Pierre Bidoux answers:
"I'm not sure that if we had the Science that we have today that He'd be able to beat that."

The science wasn't faulty nor erroneous, the Human Beings using it were!

Richard
1/9/2016 11:56:42 am

That's correct Alex, often the perpetrator of a knife crime often will cut their own hand when hitting bone and dense muscle. The Zodiac was thought to have used a 12 inch blade and struck both victims a total of 16 times, it could have been very likely he injured himself, especially because a blade that long would surely have been unwieldy. Obviously back in 1969 even though DNA wasn't available, you would have thought they would have checked for any extraneous blood patterns located away from the crime scene. However if they still have the clothing preserved correctly, then it would not be impossible to detect a second or third DNA finingerprint from the evidence. I like the Joe Kenda series, ie; stopping the video just a few minutes in and analyzing the crime to make an educated guess on the type of killer or killers. They said on page 1 of the police report the knife appeared home-made and had a thin blade, this would only increase it's instability, thereby greatly advancing the risk of injury to the user. On page 3 of the police report it says black handle and home-made. It does seem odd, after all decent quality knives are not difficult to find, however this is only Bryan Hartnell's brief recollection. Also I cannot recollect Hartnell saying stab me first, he never had anything to do with the movie scene, he stated as much in the 'This is the Zodiac Speaking' documentary.

Alex Lewis
1/14/2016 01:27:51 pm

I didn't mean nor suggest DNA would be of importance Rich, nor why He used a homemade knife. I was asking the rather rhetorical question of how He would be aware that stabbing someone would likely result in His own injury via hand slipping off the handle and down onto blade. . . How could this be a known serious potential unless He has used a knife before and in doing so, learned the hard way by cutting himself? Or, has he worked investigating stabbings and knows that this injury is commonly seen in knife crime as a result?

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3/5/2017 06:17:48 am

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    Alex Lewis {Welsh Chappie)
    "I am the same Welsh Chappie that resides in the NEWPORT Area of South Wales, a City that had this hit The Parody, Newport State of Mind recorded on Location in and around the City. My own site with all facts and info on suspect Lawrence Kane can be visited via this link".

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