YOURS TRULY, JACK THE RIPPER

12/27/2024

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The wording of "I saw and think "The Exorcist" was the best saterical comidy" in the January 29th 1974 letter was an immediate response to the movie winning four Golden Globes on January 26th 1974, receiving the awards for "Best Film", "Best Director", "Best Supporting Actress" and "Best Screenplay". The wording of "I am waiting for a good movie about me" in the April 24th 1978 letter was a belated response to the April 3rd 1978 Academy Awards (as was the Channel 9 letter on May 2nd 1978). Both of these letters on January 29th 1974 and April 24th 1978 were intrinsically bound to the movie industry, and both carried the Jack the Ripper style valediction of "yours truly", in the form of "yours truley" in 1974 (which was spelled incorrectly) and "yours truly" in 1978 (which was spelled correctly). This form of valediction is clearly not appropriate in the context of a threatening letter, so the use of this "act of farewell" is relatively unusual in this respect.

Therefore, I looked for something on TV or in the movies that contained both elements of "Jack the Ripper" and "Yours Truly", and found the 1943 short story by Robert Bloch, subsequently made into a fifty minute TV thriller in 1961 entitled "Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper", hosted by Boris Karloff and starring John Williams, Donald Woods and Edmon Ryan. On the Internet Movie Database it is described as follows: "70 years after the Jack the Ripper killings in London, Sir Guy tries to convince the police that Jack may still be alive, eternally young, and still killing, currently in New York". After a hiatus of several years, Jack the Ripper had returned to begin killing again in New York.

Robert Bloch

The same has been argued in the Zodiac case, where the Bay Area murderer appeared to take a hiatus from 1971 to 1974 and returned with the Exorcist letter on January 29th 1974. The same can be said of his inactivity between 1974 and 1978, when he returned to mail the 1978 letter with the introduction "I am back with you". So it is noteworthy that he appeared to use the "yours truly" valediction from the book and TV episode of "Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper", which presented the story of a killer returning after a period of inactivity.

Another interesting feature of the Exorcist letter was the final paragraph where the Zodiac wrote "Ps. If I do not see this note in your paper, I will do something nasty, which you know I'm capable of doing". You will notice that he described the communication as a "note" and not a letter. Bearing in mind that the TV episode of "Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper" featured Jack the Ripper taking his crimes from Whitechapel in London to New York, I looked for a Jack the Ripper "note" mailed in New York on the date of January 29th. A search of the newspaper archives didn't disappoint. The following newspaper article (among many) describes a "Jack the Ripper in New York", who wrote a "note" to Police Captain Ryan on January 29th 1889 promising that the streets of his precinct would soon be filled with murdered women.

San Francisco Examiner, October 20th 1968

In an odd turn of events, the script of "Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper" may have been turned on its head by the Bay Area murderer, because the previous letter claimed to have been mailed from the Zodiac Killer was postmarked August 1st 1973 from Albany, New York, six months before the arrival of the Exorcist letter on January 29th 1974. The letter, addressed to the Albany Times Union newspaper, stated he was "going to start killing again".

Robert Bloch, the author of "Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper" also wrote "The Thing" in 1932 and "Psycho" in 1959, the latter of which the Zodiac Killer featured in his 148 character cipher and letter in the middle of 1971. The 1971 letter stated that he would "skin 3 little kids and make a suit from the skin" if his cipher was not printed on the front page of the newspaper. This phraseology was reminscent of the murderer Edward Gein, who professed a desire to make a "skin suit" from his dead mother, and the movie "Psycho" that hit cinema screens in 1960 and featured the seated corpse of Norman Bates' dead mother. An arguable case can be made for Robert Bloch inspired letters from 1971 through to 1974, whether one was intended or not.

On January 19th 1889, ten days before the Jack the Ripper "note" on January 29th 1889, it is likely that the same individual first announced his presence to Captain Ryan in a letter (described in the newspaper cutting below), by stating "Do you think that Jack the Ripper is in England?", before promising to kill by next Thursday and signing it with the familiar valediction of "Yours truly, Jack the Ripper".

CONNECTING RIVERSIDE TO THE ZODIAC USING JACK THE RIPPER [IN 7 PARTS]

Rubislaw32 link

12/27/2024 01:43:42 pm

The ''New York'' Ripper letter, Richard, certainly had me checking the contents of the Zodiac's April 1978 letter, again.

Compare also: ''I am right here...'', with: ''I am here, I have always been here.''.

In addition, it got me thinking about the April 1978, May 1978 and July 1978 letters, As far as we know, anyway - the Zodiac not once claimed a numerical count of victims, with his 1978 visit.

Richard

12/27/2024 02:20:36 pm

Compare also: ''I am right here...'', with: ''I am here, I have always been here.''.

Absolutely Rubi, another interesting feature. And you are correct that he had no victim toyals in 1978, just "guess". I saw another strange coincidence in the "Yours truly, Jack the Ripper" TV thriller, that Edmon Ryan played Captain Jago, and Captain Ryan received the Ripper note on January 29th 1889. However, this could never have been manufactured by the Zodiac Killer, because both names were not under his control.

One other thing I noticed in the Jack the Ripper "From Hell" letter was that the author spelled "Knife" without the "E", giving us "knif".
Put the dot on the "n" looking symbol at the foot of the Exorcist letter and rearrange the symbols to spell "knif" with an exclamation mark left over. Not to be taken seriously though. That is why I didn't include it.

Rubislaw32 link

12/27/2024 02:44:38 pm

The FBI have stated in a court of law, under oath, that:

''We do not know whether D B Cooper perished or survived his jump out of an aircraft.''. This, when Tom Colbert took the FBI to court, claiming the FBI were withholding information that incriminated Colbert's pet suspect Robert Rackstraw. Colbert lost his case to the FBI.

So, one has to ask (?): What are the FBI actually doing, by ring-fencing six letters attributed to ''D B Cooper'' ? For, those six letters can't be by the hand of Dan Cooper, who jumped from the aircraft - based on what the FBI claimed in court.

The ''I am right here...'' Portland letter is one of the six ring-fenced by the FBI. So, not a long stretch of the imagination to believe it likely to be by the hand of the Zodiac.

Richard

12/27/2024 02:56:53 pm

The DB Cooper case is very interesting but bearing in mind the missing perpetrator, missing parachute and all of the money apart from about 5,800 dollars that seemed to have washed up on that bank, I suspect that DB Cooper died the day he jumped. It is for this reason it doesn't fascinate me as much as some people, who usually have suspects. Therefore, I agree with you Rubi, that the DB Cooper letters must have come from somebody unrelated to the crime. One possibility being Zodiac because the timeline sits in the main Zodiac era.

Rubislaw32 link

12/27/2024 02:24:37 pm

Compare also: D B Cooper, December 3rd 1971, to The Oregonian newspaper:

''I am right here in Portland ! And the $200,000 is for the revolution.''

Richard link

12/27/2024 02:37:18 pm

Nice one, Jibber will like that connection if he hasn't already noticed it. There is some decent merit in looking at the DB Coopee and Black Dahlia letters.. Click my name for a stupid image that I don't subscribe to.

Rubislaw32 link

12/27/2024 03:17:08 pm

Yes, Richard - I'm admittedly an advocator of the six ring-fenced ''D B Cooper letters'' being by the hand of the Zodiac. But, ''there endeth'' any further links between the Zodiac and Dan Cooper.

Naturally, I'm p*ssed off with the FBI for not coming clean over those six letters. As if the FBI are actively encouraging ''intrigue'' - when there is none.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

12/27/2024 05:49:53 pm

Perhaps one day we will all get lucky with vital clues that might point us in the right direction?

One would almost have to hope, that the criminal, whether they be Zodiac or D.B.Cooper, or both, would have to have left intentional clues for us sleuths to piece together.

But that would almost beggar belief.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

12/28/2024 12:44:52 pm

The thing I focus on from the DB Cooper case, is that weird image. I'm not sure what you call it. It appears to be a conglomeration of cards, but one can make out where he's placed the address, Reno NEV.

That image. That writing, it has the hallmarks of what I mentioned before. A hidden writing system.

You can see it in the way NEV is written for Nevada. It's stacked, like the E is atop the N.

What's funny is many in this community will see things, and they'll recognize it as very "Zodiac" like. But they won't understand why that registers in their brain that way.

This is one of those times. Someone will recognize the N E V as Zodiac-like. They may even say because it reminds them of the Zodiac cattle brand.

And they may be right.

But they wouldn't know why they look similar. They might come to others who've done research and have mentioned the word "Rune"

Again I mentioned, ShakeDogShake is close on my heels in figuring out some of this stuff. I also mentioned the link to the image that Jibber provided that I had not seen before. It strikes my eye has having 2 of these items inside of it that leap out at me, because I study them. And have been for over a decade.

There is evidence of a writing system, that is almost beautiful in its elegance, simplicity, and implementation. It is almost invisible to the uninitiated. To those that would know though, they may recognize it as "Runes".

It's a specific use of Runes though, called "Rune-binding" or "Bind Runes". They are fascinating once you start to study them.

If what I've found is correct, this person that we are looking for, that was the Zodiac, and was the real killer of Elizabeth Short, knew how to write in Runic, and knew how to hide these Runic systems, including "Bind-Runes" almost as a second language that he was fluent in.

It boggles my mind that no one has really come to this realization before, but as I mentioned, I believe it to be a startling discovery. Because if I'm right, it could be the connective tissue to multiple murders and what some thought were different murderers, but was one singular person, leaving a trail to be deciphered by only those that could truly find him, and know what he was, and what he was doing.

What was a "Zodiac"?

JIbberjabber

12/27/2024 04:22:17 pm

I will say one thing, the name Jack the ripper appears in Californian newspapers say between 1900-1966 more than 1500 times.

This is a combination of anniversaries of the original London crimes, the publishing of books or making of movies (they seem to have made a couple of movies in the 1940s a remake of Hitchock's the lodger and a movie starring Jack Palance)

Did knowledge of the ripper ever fade or was it always there and if it did fade how did it return, by reading newspapers or people seeing movies made about the case?

Also various murders all over the world that were compared to Jack The Ripper, I have to wonder could some pre-canonical Zodiac crimes be recorded under a "ripper like murder" newspaper heading, although a problem would be the Black Dahlia killing. that one seems to have been a recalibration of post WW2 murders and I have seen murders after 1947 compared as being "Dahlia like" rather than "ripper like"
including in Oakland & San Francisco by the 1950s!!!

If we accept that any killer after 1888 that also writes a letter to the press could be influenced by JTR, then fine I can buy this. I think for some reason Jack the ripper is just part of the Zeitgesit in western world 20th century serial killers.

but what was the purpose of the ripper letter or letters?

one thing I think is different between the JTR letter or letters, the Riverside confession letter and later Zodiac letters is the Riverside & Bay area letters are informative of the crime - yes they do meander, they are badly written, spellling etc but there are pertinent facts in the letters as if to prove they are the work of the killer

were the ripper letters ever so meaningful

If the Bates killer and then later Zodiac (or these are one and the same) were inspired to write letters because of the whitechapel killer, I wonder why there letters are that bit different.

They seem to have more thought in them - does that mean anything?

JIbberjabber

12/27/2024 04:43:30 pm

Just want to add, strangely by the time of Zodiac I think the Black Dahlia crime had dropped out of public knowledge. I have read as much as I can on the Zodiac case and until Steve Hodel came along (who I think is a bullshitter STEVE I HOPE YOU ARE READING THIS) I had never seen anyone ever put Zodiac & BDA in the same sentence. But the thing is I think they could be the same person, anyway all I wanted to add here is that the killer of Elizabeth Short and Paul Stine say, seem to have taken things from the victim for the intent purpose to mail them back to the police & press as proof they were the killer. i dont believe the ripper ever did this (other than maybe the from hell letter) which to me makes me think JTR was not as fixated on the media campaign as say BDA/ZODIAC. The ripper could have cut off some of the victims clothes to mail in to the press, but we have never heard he did this. I think the ripper was a serial killer who at most maybe sent a letter to the medis for mischief where as ZODIAC/BDA were committed letter writers.

they could still have been inspired by JTR but they took theit letter writing far more seriously than him imo

EdEdwardsCiphers link

12/27/2024 06:09:27 pm

I'm not a ripper enthusiast either, and again I'm not great with the facts or the details of most cases, otherwise my name would be different. But didn't the Ripper send a piece of someone's liver or some such organ into the coppers?

Also for BDA and Zodiac to be the same person, wouldn't that leave you with a much smaller suspect pool than of those who have multiple other suspects just for "Z"?

The circle would be small, which is what I think is enticing for Hodel, although I do believe his father ages out of Zodiac. But I believe his eyes are too dazzled on the fame or infamy he would receive for both "solving" those cases, and having his name so ingrained in lore. It is beyond confirmation bias.

I do believe the two are the same myself, and I have my own reasons. Hopefully this year will be a banner year for me to explain how and why.

It will have to do with a language, and my journey, as to how I got caught up in all of this stuff to begin with.

In my opinion, someone understood a certain "language" used in the crime as BDA. That person who understood this "language" has used it to communicate a formula of a certain kind. An algorithm actually. This is my connection.

BDA ---> secret communication techniques described. Those same techniques, once actually understood, connect Zodiac adjacent crimes, and can infer and imply, that if this connection is real, then it does connect back to BDA.

As you can guess, this is probably convoluted, and it is. Which is why I hope to explain it in a series of videos. Hopefully it will all make sense.

As far as JTR, I will try to tell that story, because I do believe he was an influence. But the way I believe it is, JTR was before BDA was born. JTR was replaced in the states in the papers, by the Cleveland Torso Murderer -- (Edwards was born in Ohio btw). The torso murderer was front page news nationally, so a young preteen would have seen this in all the papers and been hearing about it in the news. Perhaps completely enamored and enraptured by how much attention he had captured.

I dont' believe there was a national crime story as big as the Black Dahlia since the Torso slayer, until BD replaced it in the news cycle. Before BD, the dismemberment of victims bodies in this way, was not a thing seen before, here in the states.

The path was clear. JTR as the icon and the origin. Torso slayer as his heir, and person attempting to replicate his fame. But the torso slayer had something that not even Jack had. The famed do gooders Elliot Ness first came into being trying to capture the slayer. I'm not clear on if he ever did.

Someone following this on the radio, hearing all that intrigue, and following the exploits of a taunting, bisecting, murderer who got all the press, and had a supposed "good guy" who couldn't catch him, could have made quite an impression on a young precocious sociopath, who longed for the wrong kind of attention.

Oh well. Time will tell.

Rubislaw32 link

12/27/2024 04:48:34 pm

All I can really add, Jibberjabber, is that I think the Zodiac had always been attracted to stories related to Jack the Ripper. But, it became more apparent to him to project aspects of Jack's perceived image, when the Zodiac ran out of guns. The indications are, retrospectively, that he had three at the time of Lake Herman Road - and none, after executing Paul Stine.

In order to perpetuate his image of fear, he would need to project himself as a man of knives. And with it came a more projected Ripper image, with associated references.

Richard

12/27/2024 05:00:20 pm

The "From Hell" letter was postmarked October 15th 1888. The primary reason this letter stands out more than any other is that it was delivered with a small box containing half of what doctors later determined was a human kidney which had been preserved in spirits. One of murder victim Catherine Eddowes's kidneys had been removed by the killer. Medical opinion at the time was that the organ could have been acquired by medical students and sent with the letter as part of a hoax. Lusk himself believed that this was the case and did not report the letter until he was urged to do so by friends.

Rubislaw32 link

12/27/2024 05:11:59 pm

Fascinating, Richard. I can't say I know a whole lot about the Ripper case. But, isn't it the case that some letters were written with red ink - and some with blood, albeit probably from animals ?

From reports only, the Roman cross on the 13-hole postcard was ''engraved'' with red ink. The great smearing on the Benicia High School Note is undoubtedly meant to represent blood. But whether it is actual blood or not, no one knows - apart from probably Benicia PD and CA DOJ.

Richard link

12/27/2024 05:17:09 pm

The 13-hole postcard cross was thin red paper. Click my name for verification.

Rubislaw32 link

12/27/2024 05:51:14 pm

Thanks for the confirmation of thin red paper for the cross.

Richard

12/27/2024 05:14:34 pm

I believe your correct, I can't think of any other items sent by Jack the Ripper other than the "From Hell" letter you mentioned, maybe because many, some or all were hoaxes. The Zodiac did provide useful information to prove he was the murderer, while also taunting the police. The Ripper letters seemed to primarily focus on bragging about his crimes and promising further mayhem, and definitely absent of anything substantive. However, this wouldn't preclude the Zodiac from borrowing snippets from such letters. Whether he did or not is another matter. Hopefully some of the things I've presented makes interesting discussion, but I certainly won't claim they supply a definitive answer. I'm much more interested in examining any viable connections between Riverside and the Bay Area, such as the plagiarising of quotes from yesteryear and establishing whether the technique of doing so implies one mind.

Rubislaw32 link

12/27/2024 05:32:40 pm

Well, I'm certainly convinced that the Bates-related correspondences known ''are'' by the hand of the man that went on to become the Zodiac. And, that the FBI are ''deceiving hounds'' over the San Bernardino Delinquent/Man - who doesn't even exist.

But, equally convinced that Zodiac is not responsible for Cheri Jo, herself.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

12/27/2024 06:17:17 pm

Tx Richard. That's why you're here. And that's why I'm here. You're great with the facts. Me not so much. But I believe I'm pretty good with a cipher or too. Hence my name includes "ciphers" and not "facts". Or as someone jokingly suggested, I should change the name to "gophers".

But this brings up another interesting question.

JTR was always suspected of having a "doctor" connection. Because of some of the cuts, or tools required, or speed and knowledge required to complete some of the murders especially in the dark.

The same was said of the Torso slayer. With many suggesting that if he wasn't a doctor, perhaps he was a butcher to be able to handle the cuts and their specificity, and the ability to cleave through bone.

And then of course we come to Elizabeth. Long debated that the cuts were "required" by a doctor, which Hodel would base his entire argument on I'm sure. But you have some that would say, that the hemicorpectomy was not that precise.

But surely there is a similarity between all three? And the timeframe to me suggests a similar mental malady between all three. Something about demonstrating proficiency with a knife and the ability to carve up a body. All seemed to engage in a public back and forth with the police. All seemed to want the attention based on a narcissism that shows a level of psychopathy.

I think there might be something to it. But that could be just me.

Richard

12/28/2024 01:25:29 am

Although I haven't any statistics, I would guess that most individuals would have great difficulty opening up a human body (or even an animal) and having close contact with the internal organs of a living or dead human being. The Elizabeth Short and Ripper murders, for me, indicates a murderer comfortable with this practice. As you stated, somebody like a surgeon, butcher or slaughterman. In the case of the Ripper, with these tasks performed in extremely limited lighting, I would argue strongly that the murderer was either a doctor and/or somebody who regularly performs autopsies. This wasn't some crazed, unhinged lunatic of low intelligence.

Back in the 1960s and 1970s, investigators often described the Zodiac Killer as an unhinged madman or crazed individual. Although he was a psychopath and probable narcissist, the Zodiac Killer, like Jack the Ripper, were two individuals capable of performing unspeakable acts, yet could blend into society unnoticed. Both very likely drew no attention to themselves in everyday life. I suspect that the Zodiac Killer was of reasonably high intelligence, not because of the ciphers he created, but because he was able to create extremely clever communications that we are still dissecting 55 years later. They were simple but effective. It is often said that to create letters with seemingly deliberate spelling errors, that we are unsure were by the hand of somebody with mental illness, literary disfunction, drug issues or low intelligence, requires somebody of high intelligence. I don't claim to know anything with high confidence about the profession of the Zodiac Killer, but I am very curious about his ability to source material from wide-ranging newspaper articles from the recent and very distant past. This requires effort and an ability to source information, not exhibited by the overwhelming majority of serial killers. The Zodiac Killer was a psychopath, but a very unique psychopath, who I believe had above average intelligence. However, many people might disagree with this final statement,

JIbberjabber

12/28/2024 04:58:17 am

When you mentioned a small suspect pool if Zodiac & BDA were one and the same, I believe we already have that small pool - killers who communicate to the press in post WW2 California

BDA mailed around 14 letters
Zodiac around 25?

There really is no one else in California that I can find in the newspapers sending that amount of correspondance. And they both sent written letters, postcards, text cut & pasted from newspapers, under & over postage, victims belongings, they both said they would surrender to the police only not to turn up (although if that was Eric Weill arranging that and not Zodiac somehow managing to speak to Belli in between the broadcast segments then that one does not count)

both attacked in Lovers lanes

Why did the bay area killer write a letter to Los Angeles to claim the Bates case when he could have just written the Press Enterprise? I was interested to read on the tapatalk forum that letter is maybe in the possession of LAPD?

anywy I dont want to derail this thread with my conspiracy theories, but I leave you with one more co-incidence which I would love to hear what people think on here

Zodiac & BDA when they were both mailing postcards with text cut & pasted from newspapers, they also both used reverse printed newspaper headings. I mean what is the chance 2 independant Californian killers that communicate would both do that

thanks To Richard's site for the envelope of the 13 hole card (and there are other examples of both mailers using reverse printing ie white on black - why do that?)

https://tessa2.lapl.org/digital/collection/photos/id/8338/

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/the-little-list-letter.html

EdEdwardsCiphers link

12/28/2024 09:15:20 am

Jibber, the pool of suspects, meaning those who've had their names thrown in the hat -- I don't believe I've seen your suspect yet. Or a valid pool of suspects. Hodel would put his father in that pool, and he's in the vicinity of the BD murder, but BDA/Zodiac was very smart. He left receipts. Nevertheless there are not many suspects that can span that timeline that are discussed by many in the community. It's a limiter I believe, and it culls many of the lesser good suspects in my opinion, because like you, I do believe these people are the same.

My suspect is clearly in my name, but I'm unsure if you've ever put forth a suspect, which is fine, and possibly the smarter move. But Ed was theoretically within the age range of high testosterone and peak manhood at the time of the death of Elizabeth.

Ed also has connections to both Riverside, and the Paul Stine sites. Both pickup and drop-off.

Ed's Aunt, lived both in Riverside, and then I believe she moved to the Presidio where Stine was killed.

He would go to live with his Aunt in Presidio. It's unknown if possibly he had stayed with her or "dropped in" on her while she was in Riverside. But she lived there too, which I found fascinating.

Riverside is obviously for Cheri Jo. As that would allow for his radius as a hunting grounds.

To me, the most damning connection as far as loci for any killer to be around, would be Paul Stine.

I might have some of this wrong, for as I mentioned, I'm not great with the facts, but hopefully that won't be held too much against me, as that's not my strength as a Zodiac researcher. Perhaps that's why I like it here.

But as I was saying, Ed's cousin supposedly worked at Lefty o'douls. Which is the pickup spot for Stine. I'm unsure but I believe this would be his Aunt's child simply being at work.

Stine would then drive and stop, right in front of Ed's Aunt house. This is the first stop before Stine then moves ahead one block, before he's murdered.

Pickup - to stop - to murder. 3 points connect directly to family of Ed Edwards, along with a story that he was staying with his Aunt who lived, not a mile away -- not within the area -- not even within walking distance -- but right at the stop.

The supposed story is that Ed was a jailbird, and was an embarrassment to his Aunt, who told him to not have the neighbors see him enter the house, which could have served as a reason for the initial stop, then the move ahead, and then the murder.

Believe it or not, what I'm suggesting is that Stine was murdered, as a revenge taunt for his Aunt, in the tony area of Presidio heights, to put a fright into her that danger was right out at her front door. Because he could do that, because he was the Zodiac.

Now as far as those document links, I don't think I've ever seen them before. Part of what I do, is I study notes and writings. I study ones connected to murders that Edwards is suspected of being connected to. I look at them for clues. Of which I believe I've made an astounding and novel discovery in the case. More on that later.

But for this letter:
https://tessa2.lapl.org/digital/collection/photos/id/8338/

There are remarkable signposts of something, a pattern that I believe I've discovered, and only one other researcher is on track himself to figure some of it out. That would be Shakedog as I mentioned in a previous post. He's an independent researcher that I've never met, and surprisingly has come to some of the realizations that I have after studying Edwards. Which was surprising to me.

This postcard, starting with the word "Express" is showing signs of what I believe I've discovered later on in some of Edwards' communications, of a writing system. A brilliant use of "Steganography", which is writing that looks like writing but is a concealment system. Meaning a type of cryptography that is hard to detect even exists in front of you, as you read it.

Now why this is interesting, is because I suspected something, with the murder of the woman, where the writing was on the wall. But this murder is so old, one of the things I wrestled with, is that this person is using said writing system (Edwards) from decades ago. Is that possible? I convinced myself that it was possible, but it was a singular point, for which I would have loved to have some other evidence. You may have now provided me that.

You've presented me with something that could help me corroborate that he was doing it in other places as well. In this postcard. It would take a bit too long to expand upon it here, and as I mentioned I have a lot of work to do, to try to show it. But this might be a clue that I've not come across before.

So I guess I'm saying. Thanks.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

12/28/2024 09:32:50 am

Richard,

As far as opening up someone, especially in ghastly and ghoulish conditions such as possibly outside, or in some godforsaken dank basement in the middle of the night to avoid suspicion -- psychopathy allows for this type of disgust and the ability to deal with it.

There is some type of scale that measures this, and don't quote me, again, not strong with facts. But there is a measurability scale for disgust. And it turns out that psychophaths test very strangely on this scale.

From what I can remember about this feature of personality -- think of something that might make you throw up. Not necessarily the classic, if you see someone heaving, you start to heave, which could mostly be the power of suggestion.

But think of a scenario like the following:

You're at your desk, reading this, or writing a post, and suddenly your partner comes into your room, carrying a large wolflike dog, that's been mangled and is bloody, with possibly entrails coming out. Your partner has the animal in their arms, but is now covered in blood so much that they look like a butcher from a slaughterhouse.

They plop the wet smelly bloody, hairy body next to you, and it plops down with the entrails and blood spattering a little bit. The flies had followed in from before, and are buzzing around the fetid flesh.

Would you be repulsed?

Most people would. They would be on the scale of disgust. Certain physiological things would start to happen to you. Queasy stomach, avulsion, the desire to move away.

Psychopaths, depending on their depth of depravity, measure very differently on this scale. They might react very differently to how I described you might react.

A psychopath, if that were to happen to them, may have no reaction at all. No avulsion or desire to move or run away. In fact, if they had a sandwich next to them, they may actually start eating the sandwich and finish it (No gag reflex, no queasiness, in fact the opposite is happening ie. normal peristalsis)

I do believe , that the overwhelming majority of people who call themselves sleuths and study this case, do not understand this kind of mentality.

The torso slayer, Jack the Ripper, and BDA, could have easily had some of these traits. This is someone who would have no problem talking to you one minute, but then spilling your entrails on the street the next, and then carrying you several blocks from a bathtub inside of a suitcase and dumping your body on a sidewalk.

Taking the time to pose your body right before the sun comes up at dawn.

They are not repulsed. They are quite different.

Some studies suggest that there is brain chemistry around the amygdala , sometimes having an underdeveloped one, possibly from a chemical imbalance -- that may play a role in this kind of strange emotion processing.

But I believe this is what we're dealing with. I believe this is what Edwards was.

Richard

12/28/2024 09:55:06 am

Jesus Ed, I'm going to have nightmares tonight after reading this. I hope it's not from personal experience !! But seriously, I know your right. There was a guy in the UK convicted of two murders who had sex with 100 dead bodies in the morgue. Talk of something to turn your stomach. I worked in a hospital for a brief time and saw many invasive surgeries, however, it never really affected me because these things were in the context of helping patients. If the sort of things I viewed had a context of murder that is something completely different. Anyway, Happy Christmas and soon to be New Year Ed.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

12/28/2024 12:28:33 pm

Richard,

Your morgue story is why they have a hiring practice in that industry, for funeral homes. The beauticians and those that service the bodies for family presentations ie. wakes, they tend to hire majority or only females.

Apparently the history of men, with the naked and unopposing bodies that could not defend themselves, were found in too many compromising positions after being in the presence of some men overnight to be dressed..

Who knew?

And no, I don't have firsthand experience with psychopathy (I don't think) , but I like what you said about the surgery and understanding the idea behind it, so one can tolerate it. If it's beneficial, like taking a shot with a needle, some can stomach it. But even that, some cannot.

The mentality of the psychopath would be similar to that, except, they make no distinction between doing good, and compleat evil.

There is a scene in the show "House of Cards" on Netflix that tries to dramatize this type of thing. I'ts the opening scene of house of cards if you watched that show.

It's supremely creepy. The main character speaks directly to the camera, while the camera is low in the street.

The scene is clear. It's after a car accident. It's a monologue but it's directly eye to eye with the main character and his southern drawl. He's speaking about his pet. It's clearly been hit, and is mortally wounded in the street.

The main character drawls on and on about how the dog was part of the family, and had grown up with it, and how he would comfort him as a young child.

He kills the dog. While looking dead in the eye of the camera. Snaps it's neck, like a wrung chicken neck.

American stories have long lionized these types of characters. Perceiving them as ruthless and to be admired.

But these types of actual people that lived what we're talking about. JTR, BDA, Torso slayer. I've come to think that this type of person, is unfathomably dangerous. Because you may sit with them in the tube or subway, on a trolley or the bus, and would never know.

To us, they look like normal people. To them, I believe we look like ants. They could crush us under their heel and not really ever have any reaction whatsoever, as if you would crush an ant.

If you crushed an ant, and someone started crying and called you an animal or a monster, you would be perplexed, and rightfully so. They are topsy turvy, but they exist.

I oftentimes try to explain this particular concept to the many people who cannot understand the JonBenét Ramsey murder. When most people can't make heads or tails of the ransom note, and that no one would sit there and write a note that long.

Not only am I 100% sure that the Zodiac did that (I'll have more videos to explain this further) but I don't think it out of the realm of possibility, that the ransom note was written around the time of her murder, while his heart rate might have been slightly elevated from either anticipation of the murder (before), or shortly after he exerted himself to complete the task (after).

The note is all ideation. A pent up fantasy that someone had for years. And no one could understand what it means.

I believe it's a 50 year murder celebration of a defining time in the killers life. A formative moment, of when he killed 6 year old little blonde girl Suzanne Degnan.

The same Suzanne Degnan that Elizabeth Short may have tried to chase after. Leaving Massachusetts, to go all the way across the country to her death, and getting too close to the person who actually committed the crime.

But as I said, I'll have a time trying to show that. It will be an interesting New Year, and I'll be looking forward to it!

Rubislaw32 link

12/28/2024 02:21:04 am

These are interesting points, Richard.

To put my ten cents in:

I think in general, the Zodiac hung around libraries in his spare time, more often than we might imagine. And, these were the ''go to'' places to read a whole spectrum of newspapers out at the time. From local to international. He probably became quite expert in ''browsing'' efficiently - largely knowing what he wished to focus on, for particular newspapers.

With Jack the Ripper, he was primarily a ''strangler'' - and to do that efficiently time-wise, you would need to have natural strength. Not least, proffered occupations as butcher, slaughter man, etc - would be in keeping with a physically strong man.

I suspect the Zodiac was intrinsically a strong man also. But, not necessarily a natural jock. And his day job didn't require this - of better-than-average education - along the lines of an engineer.

Rubislaw32 link

12/28/2024 02:45:47 am

And yes - I think you are right, in seeing the Zodiac as a psychopath. The amount of times I have read-up on psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists - and the differences between them, toying with a definitive opinion.

It's his seeming effortless transition into becoming a killer - from a ''mere'' menace-extortionist, that is quite chilling. I believe he had some regret about killing Darlene Ferrin, because he knew her, and liked her. But the rest didn't appear to matter a jot.

Also, a manic depressive.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

12/28/2024 01:20:38 pm

Darlene Ferrin, along with several of the other victims. If one studies the victimology of the crimes, one might start to notice a pattern.

BD also fits into this pattern.

It's what an old friend of mine referred to as the "Jezebel". This is the concept of a "loose woeman"

Taken together as a theme -- meaning as a motivation if this was a singular killer -- the commonality and a possible explanation comes into view.

This person is meting out "justice" according to a level of piousness or a perversion of religious dogma, for the purity of the female form as depicted in scripture.

That's possibly one interpretation. There might be others.

Richard

12/28/2024 03:02:11 am

The Riverside library could be key in the story of the Riverside writer (and possibly killer). If the Riverside writer used microfiche searches from this library or anothe, he was either a student, library worker or casual visitor. If it was the Zodiac Killer he would have been a mature student based upon the Presidio eyewitnesses. In my opinion he also wrote on the desktop. I used to think the Confession letter author couldn't have been Zodiac because of its overt references of a sexual nature, but a cunning individual, who killed in various different ways in the Bay Area demonstrated an ability to change, just like his ability to switch from menacing to pleading in his letters. So he was perfectly able to switch writing styles in composing the typed confession letter to fit the crime. This doesn't negate the fact that a person able to type such a despicable narrative is of sadistic mind, whether or not they killed Cheri Jo Bates.

Strangely Rubi, I placed the entirety of the confession letter text into 5 artificial intelligence programs to examine the likely sex of the author, and all came back with varying probabilities of being a female, which I once suspected. However, I don't agree with this assertion anymore, based upon my relatively new change of heart that the author of the confession letter was the killer based upon the autopsy findings. But I don't claim this with certainty.

Richard

12/28/2024 03:20:02 am

I am in probably the small camp of people, like Pat Brown, that believe that virtually every killer is a psychopath, no matter the reason given. If you arrive home one night and find your wife in bed with another man and kill either or both, you are a psychopath. In other words, those tendencies were always there. To me, the only justification for murder would be arriving home and finding an individual who had just killed one or many of your family members. Even if he put his hands in the air and said "it's a fair cop guv", I would hope to kill them. Equally, if somebody got an excessively light sentence for murdering somebody you loved, I could perfectly understand the desire to kill that person. I don't believe these examples are those of psychopathy. In fact, most psychopaths are not killers, they are all around us. Particularly in politics.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

12/28/2024 01:07:11 pm

How about never completing a proper education, yet knowing that you're smart, and realizing that you would actually do better to try to teach yourself?

There's a word for that. It's called an Autodidact.

Being familiar with a library would actually be a requirement for someone who would take on the responsibility of fully educating themselves because they weren't properly socialized. And for whatever reason were not able to attend school.

It would be even worse if they were actually a high IQ individual. Because this would create a feedback loop in that type of a mind.

They would be smarter than most, possibly ostracized, and yet have views that are dangerous for them to be around others. They would know they are smarter than the general populace.

Here's something else, that I don't think I've seen anyone say or understand, about someone who might fit this profile.

This is easily a person, that could read the papers, and see the Cleveland Torso murderer in the paper everyday while possibly being young. After seeing that and the attention it brought, this person could have easily corresponded newspaper articles with tantalizing details on how the bodies where carved up, and go to the library at a young age, and start to read up on anatomy. In preparation and practice to get ready to enact a fantasy to gain similar attention.

This is always what I had thought, and whenever the discussion comes about that the person that bears my name would have been too young to perform the hemicorpectomy, I feel like some don't understand what it would be like to be a precocious child.

Add to that, a young psychopath.

I've never felt that people could understand this. It's the same with not being able to understand that someone could hold such a grudge for 50 years. But that's exactly what I believe happened.

I believe all of this could happen, because I've been able to mentally put myself in those positions, and I could easily see it happening. Exactly like that.

Rubislaw32 link

12/28/2024 03:37:08 am

Yes - I see the Zodiac's involvement in the Bates-correspondences as him practicing his ability to dare himself to become involved in a murder which he didn't commit. He was upping the ante on subject matter - from his previous small-time extortion covert life.

The overwhelming impression I get from the murder of Paul Stine is:

''Phew - I got away with that. But, wasn't I great ?''.

The Zodiac's ''finest hour'' as a killer, in his own mind.

On the ciphers side, I also claim to have solved Z180 (S5) - which I see as the Zodiac's finest hour as a cipher-maker. Rich, with concealed messages - and hilarious. By that time (circa 1997/1998), the Zodiac had nearly 30 years experience, despite taking a break 1973-1988. It was Graysmith's book which renewed the Zodiac's appetite for creating ciphers.

Rubislaw32 link

12/28/2024 09:27:55 am

For what it is worth, Richard, I think you are right also about Dan Cooper perishing in his jump. On approximations, for argument's sake: At 10,000 ft which is the height Cooper had instructed the pilot to fly at, initially - Cooper would have had about 20 seconds, before hitting the ground. Cooper jumped before the pilot realized, and the pilot assessed that he may have been as low as 7,000 ft when Cooper elected to jump. Cooper may have had only 15 seconds before landing. In addition, it was as pitch as black outside and stormy. Cooper laden with two parachutes, his bomb case and a holdall with the ransom money. I think he hit one of the many lakes in the area, and disappeared to the bottom. In the years gone by, this scenario has been examined - but only one ''candidate lake'' has ever been properly looked at as a project.

If we examine the six letters the FBI have set aside - another one is the ''I knew'' letter of December 11th 1971. In examining the postscript as a reference to copies for circulation, we see:

CCCCCCC, Wash Post, New York Times, Seattle Times, Los Angeles Times.

Those are set vertically. If we partition an elected ''left-hand-side'', the following emerges:

CCCCCCC (seven C's), Wash, New, Seat, Los A

''Seven seas wash new seat los a''

A headline imagined by the Zodiac (?), who also thought that Dan Cooper paid with his life. Giving the Zodiac immediate ''licence'' to impersonate Cooper, in letter form.

''Seven seas eradicate ''new throne pretender''.''. The Zodiac's consideration of Dan Cooper as potential competition to Zodiac's belief that he was ''top outlaw'' yet to be caught.

''I knew'' letter : ''Neither am I a psycho-pathic killer. As a matter of fact I've never even received a speeding ticket.''.

Reference Napa's Don Townsend's words, when he had difficulty atriculating what he thought the Zodiac was (lol).

Rubislaw32 link

12/28/2024 09:55:25 am

P.S. The postscript was typed as ''Wash'' - and not ''Washington''.
Thereby giving anyone examining, a clue as to how the ''imaginary headline'' should be read.

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