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RICHARD GRINELL, COVENTRY, ENGLAND
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WAS THE HELEN AXE SIGHTING WRONG?

12/13/2024

 
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If the police come knocking at your door to ask what time you went to the movie theater last night, or went for a walk in the countryside, you would usually furnish them with the time you set out or arrived at your destination, not the time you made your way home. We must take this into account when we read the statement of sheepherder, Bingo Wesner, who told investigators that "he was checking his sheep at approximately 10:00pm and he observed a white Chevrolet Impala Sedan parked by the south fence of the entrance".

It can be strongly argued that this was the time given for his arrival at the field beyond the Gate #10 turnout, not the time he was leaving to go home. In other words, he went to check his sheep at 10pm and noticed the white Chevrolet Impala when he entered the turnout gate. I sincerely doubt that Bingo Wesner had traveled to his place of work that night, entered the double-sided gate, drove up the dirt road and parked up, left his vehicle and traversed the extensive field checking his flock of sheep, before returning to his vehicle and leaving Gate #10 in just 15 minutes. Although not impossible, it isn't realistic. 

One of the eyewitnesses that night was Helen Axe, who described seeing the Faraday Rambler and the victims inside the vehicle, which was facing in towards the gate at 10:15pm as she and her boyfriend headed towards Benicia. Upon their return at 10:30pm, they again noticed the Faraday Rambler, which had now turned around and was facing the field. If this really was the Faraday Rambler, it's safe to assume that David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen remained in this position until Peggy and Homer Your spotted them at 10:55pm when they went to check pipes at the Marshall Ranch. They described the Rambler facing the field. Therefore, we assume that the Rambler was still in the same position as last seen by Helen Axe. However, if Bingo Wesner arrived at the Gate #10 turnout that night at 10pm to check his sheep and had spent longer than 15 minutes performing his duties, by the time he left, he almost certainly would have seen the Faraday Rambler in the turnout. But he didn't. On the other hand, if Helen Axe had seen the Chevrolet Impala in the turnout at 10:15pm and 10:30pm, which was turning around to leave at 10:30pm, then when Bingo Wesner had finished checking his sheep that night and had left at the more reasonable time, somewhere between say 10:35pm and 10:50pm, he quite possibly would have seen no vehicles in the turnout. It must be noted that he made no mention of any vehicles in the turnout as he left to go home

PictureBingo George Wesner, in later years
​Bingo Wesner told investigators "he was checking his sheep at approximately 10:00pm and he observed a white Chevrolet Impala Sedan parked by the south fence of the entrance", but what he didn't say, was that "he observed a white Chevrolet Impala Sedan while leaving the turnout at 10pm to go home". So it's safe to assume he saw no Rambler or Chevrolet when he exited the Gate #10 turnout. Had Helen Axe's sighting been correct, he realistically should have seen the Rambler had he left the turnout at 10:15pm or beyond, yet he never recalled seeing any Rambler that night. He presumably didn't even see the Chevrolet when he left the turnout, because this isn't what he told police. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that Bingo Wesner went to check his sheep at 10pm that night and left beyond 10:30pm - and before David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen entered the turnout. If Bingo Wesner arrived to check his sheep at 10pm and spent longer than 15 minutes doing so, this is the only logical conclusion. If Bingo Wesner arrived at 10pm to check his sheep and left before 10:15pm, then he wasn't doing much checking.

Ray Grant's assertion that Helen Axe's sighting of the Rambler was a case of her reading the newspaper reports of the murders and placing the Faraday Rambler in the turnout instead of the Chevrlet Impala, effectively interjecting herself into the case, now seems likely. If so, we now have a Chevrolet Impala arriving in the turnout sometime before 10pm and leaving at 10:30pm, or slightly after. We have somebody vacating their vehicle for upwards of 30 minutes on a freezing cold night, just 40-45 minutes before an unknown vehicle parked alongside the Rambler of David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen, carrying an occupant with murder on his mind.  

RAY GRANT'S ROAMING CHEVROLET IMPALA
​RAY GRANT'S ROBERT CONNELLY TIMELINE

THE CONNELLY AND GASSER SIGHTING OF THE CHEVROLET IMPALA WAS 9PM

HUNTING BY THE BENICIA PUMPING STATION
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CONNELLY AND GASSER NEVER SAW WESNER

JIbberjabber
12/13/2024 07:33:22 am

If only we knew what the boyfriend ever said to investigators it might put it to bed. Did he corroborate what she saw or not (or perhaps he could not say either way).

Is Ray Grant saying Helen Axe lied though? I do have to wonder why someone would lie to interject themselves into a double murder if they also have a passenger in the car who could contradict them.

What you & Ray say sounds reasonable on one hand and it would seem to fix problems with the timeline, but lying in a murder investigation is certainly something.

I am surprised the White Impala never made more of an impact in the history of the case outside Graysmith likely being the first person to mention it publicly in 1986. If the Impala is the lead we think it is, why was it never mentioned in any newspaper articles at the time, and it does not even really carry through to any of the other police documents.

I take it Grasymith capitalised on it because Allen had a white Chevy Impala

Richard
12/13/2024 08:19:03 am

I'm not sure Ray is saying she lied, rather she assumed that she must have seen the Rambler rather than another vehicle. As regards the Impala, I was surprised that I could find no mention of it in the newspapers bearing in mind it's integral to the timeline before the murders. I can only think police kept it quiet so they didn't risk its driver ditching, hiding or selling the vehicle, while they scoured local streets for such a vehicle. But I am surprised it never made the papers. If it did, I couldn't find it. To me, this vehicle seems most likely to belong to the killer, being present for an extended period that night.

Scott
12/13/2024 11:30:04 am

I completely agree Richard. It is bizarre to me that the Impala didn't get more attention then (or now) than it has. I'm not sure if this is a hold back by the cops but if it is the time has long passed for whatever they have to come out.

As I suggested a few weeks ago the ermine or even white Impalas in the area could be researched by crowd sourcing. I believe this a totally doable task.

Richard
12/13/2024 12:08:59 pm

I don't know what records are held by American police forces, DMV, etc, but is it possible in 2024 for police to select, say, a mile radius around that payphone at Springs & Tuolumne and access every resident that lived there in 1968/69, their driving licenses, passports, criminal record and professions? If so, tracking down owners of a 1959/60 white Chevrolet Impala should be relatively easy. But because the investigation in 1968 went down the route of the killer possibly being somebody known to the victims, was a wider, more general search for this vehicle done, bearing in mind everything was done manually in 1968. Were these old records digitized for the modern age?

Johnny
12/13/2024 10:48:23 am


https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiackillerfr/donald-loyal-blinco-t11246.html

"Very" much alike Xenophon in his looks ( if it was a misidentification ). Beside this i don't know anything about him.

Richard
12/13/2024 12:31:11 pm

Trouble with that solution is the mixing up of the letters, vastly increasing the many possible answers. I'm not saying an Edgar Allan Poe connection is necessarily the answer, but I'm fairly confident that the Zodiac Killer knew a 13 character code was practically unsolvable without a prompt. There are either clues within the April 20th 1970 letter, or the challenge given by D. C. B. Marsh, which possibly inspired the introduction of "My name is". The Zodiac Killer was certainly no fool, so any answer to this short clue has been narrowed down by the killer by way of a clue somewhere. That is why I looked at the Poe essay "A Few Words on Secret Writing", which has the scytale method of decryption, the A to M split alphabet, the date of April 21st, the only full Poe book beginning "My name is" and the "To One in Paradise" poem from Poe, where "one in paradise" can be found in the solution to the 340. I am not saying that any answer to the Z13 will definitely be Poe related, but one that does will carry more weight behind it than any random solution with no back story. The Zodiac was clever enough to know this.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
12/13/2024 04:13:42 pm

I'm not sure I was able to locate any explanation of a decryption. It seems like a scenario like the ones Oranchak showed where people plug in names at random, without a real understanding of either how ciphers are created or decrypted.

I guess it comes with the territory.

As far as the nod to Poe, I was never aware of that either. That sounds like a tantalizing idea. Would be cool to see if that bears fruit.

For me, I don't waste much time believing that a direct attack on the cipher would yield fruit due to the small surface area for attack, and the large key space that would be required.

Also, I'm already pretty confident in a suspect with my name, that is also 13 characters. But even more to the point, I don't believe that the cipher will decrypt to that name. I would imagine that would almost be too simple, and too on the nose.

But I do believe the cipher is capable of being broken. It would almost need more exemplars though. More cribs, from more ciphers. But unlucky for us, there are no other known ciphers created by "The Zodiac".

Lucky for me, there may have been some-more created by "EdwardEdwards".

Richard
12/14/2024 12:01:58 am

Absolutely Ed, I believe it can be broken. And when it is, we will know it is correct because it will have a solid explanation and back story behind it. Like I said, the Zodiac Killer was no fool and knew the drawbacks of a short code just like we do. Therefore, he knew that any solution must be apparent as the correct one, otherwise we would be incapable of distinguishing it from the noise. The answer must have reason behind it. I once thought "SKINASATANIST" had a chance based on the Robert Salem murder reported on April 20th 1970, where the word "satan" was written on the wall, and his ear was severed. However, it doesn't quite reach the threshold of separating itself from the noise. If the correct answer is ever found, my guess is that most observers will notice the solid reasoning behind the solution, not just the few.

Jibberjabber
12/13/2024 12:43:21 pm

From reading into the case on these websites and the Graysmith books, Solano County Sheriff's Office were involved in the Zodiac seminars with the other jurisdictions and I have seen Les Lundblad mentioned a couple of times. If the Impala was never identified then would he have shared that detail with the other agencies,and if so and it has been held back from the public would that make it a cross agency hold back? It seems that the car is such an important lead that it could have / should have? Been used to screen suspects as things like knowing cryptography, handwriting similarity, the fingerprints from Stine's cab etc. even if they did not canvas all Impala's within a certain radius of some other point of interest in the wider Zodiac case, you would hope they at least made note of which Zodiac suspects (3000 of them?) had a connection to a white Impala. Solano County as a separate entity may not have had the resources to mine the data on white Chevrolet Impala's in the area,but surely across all the jurisdictions and with the resources of the C-DOJ and maybe the FBI etc they could have worked something up. The fact even Graysmith does not particularly dwell more on the Impala makes me think maybe it was a holdback of some sort OR its significance was never recognised and there was no more information available to Graysmith in 1986 on it than we have on it today.

I can't believe they would not try and tie up a loose end like this, but how far they ever got with trying to identify the car and it's owner we do not know.

Robert Riley
12/13/2024 01:19:19 pm

I would be surprised if they did not make some effort at trying to find the owner of the Impala. But, as jibberjabber notes, that could be a very resource intensive endeavor at that time. I recall reading somewhere that when Ted Bundy was arrested in Salt Lake City his name was in the top 20 or so of potential suspects based largely on a description of his car and his overheard name ("Ted") at Lake Sammamish where he abducted two victims in one day. I believe that Robert Keppel, a lead detective on the case of missing women, was one of the first to use a mainframe computer to compile data and search for the car owner. That was in 1974/75 so after LHR. Much easier today, of course.

Richard
12/14/2024 12:12:33 am

That is the problem Robert, the increased difficulty of searches in 1968 compared to an almost instant answer today. Once BRS came around on July 5th 1969 everything changed and now we had the possibility of a brown Corvair or Mustang. It was now the willingness of Zodiac to give up details of his car being brown that switched me into thinking quite the opposite, and back to a vehicle that wasn't quite so dark. No killer is quite that accommodating.

Robert
12/14/2024 08:01:59 am

Agreed, Richard. I am keen on your argument about the BRS call and subsequent letters in terms of the color of the car. I am not sure about the statements by Zodiac post-PH murder but it seems likely there was deflection/deception there as well.

Scott Norton
12/15/2024 03:53:11 pm

Richard you ask a great question about California DMV archives being maintained or digitized. I strongly believe they are in some capacity given the the State's long history of being a car-centric society and the number of historic vehicles still on the road whose license plates and VINs need to be kept track of.

Whether that purely numerical information extends to owners and addresses I'm not as sure of. I'm going to try to look into it.

Richard link
12/16/2024 11:23:44 am

"If you notice, in the center of the beam of light if you aim it at a wall or ceiling you will see a black or darck spot in the center of the circle of light about 3 to 6 inches across".


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