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RICHARD GRINELL, COVENTRY, ENGLAND
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"THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL OF ALL" BY FREDERICK "FRITZ" JOUBERT DUQUESNE

12/29/2024

 
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When interviewed about the release of the movie "The Most Dangerous Game" in 1932, its associate producer, Merian Caldwell Cooper (born 1893) replied "man is the most dangerous animal of all". Merian C. Cooper wasn't only known as a filmmaker, actor and producer, he was an officer with the United States Army Air Service and Polish Air Force, who began his fledgling movie career as part of the Explorers Club, traveling the world and thoroughly documenting his adventures.

As a young 6-year-old, he decided that he wanted to become an explorer after reading stories from the book "Explorations and Adventures in Equitorial Africa". Cooper would eventually realise those ambitions. He was also a big game hunter, so when the script for the upcoming movie "The Most Dangerous Game" was presented to him, it obviously appealed greatly to his penchant for adventure, detailing a psychotic big game hunter who deliberately strands a luxury yacht on a remote island, where he plans to hunt its passengers for sport. This movie title has been touted as the inspiration for the Zodiac Killer's wording in the 408 cipher, but it seems that the quote given by Merian C. Cooper to a reporter of "man is the most dangerous animal of all", was the likely origin for the Zodiac Killer's choice of words in his lengthy cryptogram. Something that he could only reasonably have found by trawling through microfiche reels in the library. Currently, I have only found this exact quote in three newspapers, all from America in 1932. 

PictureFrederick "Fritz" Joubert Duquesne
However, "The Most Dangerous Game" wasn't the pinnacle of his movie career, because in 1933 the much acclaimed movie "King Kong" was released by RKO Radio Pictures, directed and produced by Merian C. Cooper and Ernest B. Schoedsack. Cooper was inspired to create the character of King Kong, a giant ape, after developing a scenario for a “gorilla picture” in 1929. Cooper's original concept for the film involved a giant gorilla who kidnaps a woman, fights dragons, and is defeated by modern technology. His fascination for adventure and hunting would coalesce to produce a film praised by critics and the viewing public for its stop-motion animation and score.

​But did the conception of "King Kong" and his love of big game hunting play any part in his quotation of 
"man is the most dangerous animal of all"? There is a strong likelihood that the Zodiac Killer took this phrase from Merian C. Cooper, but did Cooper develop this phrase from somebody else before him? Somebody who was also an adventurer and big game hunter, who came face to face with a gorilla in Africa. An adventurer who would almost certainly have been known to Merian C, Cooper.  

To cover the story of Frederick "Fritz" Joubert Duquesne (born 1877) would take forever, so here is a condensed version of this infamous character, described as a soldier, big game hunter, journalist and spy, who fought with the Boers in the Second Boer War and as a secret agent for Germany during both World Wars, and became known as the man who killed Lord Kitchener, a British Army officer and colonial administrator. Duquesne was an advisor to US President Theodore Roosevelt on big-game hunting, as a publicist in the movie business, as a journalist, as a fictional Australian war hero and as head of the New Food Society in New York. As a youth, Duquesne became a hunter like his father. His hunting skills proved useful not only in the African landscape, but also later in life, when he would publish articles about and give lectures on big-game hunting. Below is a newspaper cutting from 1912 describing one of Roosevelt's hunts in Africa, with the sub-headline "The First Hunt for Buffalo, the Most Dangerous Game in Africa". In numerous statewide articles in America throughout the years, Frederick Duquesne was featured in countless stories, including full page spreads on big-game hunting.​ One of which we'll get to soon.

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During the Second Boer War, Duquesne was under orders to assassinate Frederick Russell Burnham, the American acting as Chief of Scouts for the British Army. After the war, Burnham remained active in counter-espionage for the British, and much of it involved keeping track of Duquesne. In 1910 he and Representative Robert Broussard founded the New Food Supply Society to import useful African wildlife into the US as a solution to a serious American meat shortage, and Broussard selected Duquesne as an expert. In support of this plan, Broussard introduced H.R. 23261, also known as the American Hippo Bill, attempting the appropriation of $250,000 to import hippopotamus into the Louisiana bayous as a food source and to control the water hyacinth then clogging Southern river systems. Former US President Theodore Roosevelt backed the plan, as did the US Department of Agriculture, as well as editorial writers in The Washington Post and The New York Times, which praised the taste of hippopotamus as "lake cow bacon". Duquesne's expert testimony on this subject before the House Committee on Agriculture is recorded in the Congressional Record. The bill fell just short of passing, and the New Foods organization was disbanded. Wikipedia. 

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​Duquesne was wanted by His Majesy's government for murder on the high seas, but fled to Mexico and Europe. In 1926 he moved back to New York and assumed a new identity as Frank de Trafford Craven. He worked for Joseph P. Kennedy's Film Booking Offices of America (FBO Pictures), and later RKO Pictures in 1928, as part of the publicity staff. As part of this job he moved back to Manhattan, where he was well-known under his real name. In 1930, Duquesne moved to the Quigley Publishing Company, a producer of movie magazines, and called himself Major Craven. This is just the tip of the iceberg, so if you want to read the rest of his life story, click here.

​Both Merian C. Cooper and Fredeick Duquesne worked for RKO Pictures, with Cooper joining RKO Pictures in 1931, just before the release of "The Most Dangerous Game" (1932) and "King Kong" (1933). With their common lifelong interest in adventure and big-game hunting, and both employed by RKO Pictures during a similar time period, it is not difficult to see how Merian C. Cooper came upon the words 
"man is the most dangerous animal of all". In one of Frederick Duquesne's many ventures into Africa, he spoke of a "Blood Curdling Gorilla Hunt" in 1909 that was covered extensively in US newspapers, stating that "The most dangerous animal of all to capture is the gorilla". 

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The filming for "The Most Dangerous Game" and "King Kong" by RKO Pictures overlapped in 1932, so it can be strongly argued that Merian C. Cooper took the quote of "The most dangerous animal of all to capture is the gorilla" from Duquesne, and during the filming of "King Kong" he repackaged it to read ​"man is the most dangerous animal of all" to fit the narrative of "The Most Dangerous Game", which replaced hunting animals with the hunting of humans. So the phraseology of the Zodiac Killer in his 408 cipher on July 31st 1969 may have its roots as far back as 1909 in the words of Frederick "Fritz" Joubert Duquesne. The Zodiac Killer's wording of "I like killing people because it is so much fun, it is more fun than killing wild game in the forest because man is the most dangerous animal of all", now makes a lot more sense. His claim of using a pencil flashlight on his gun on August 4th 1969 so he could hunt victims, is in keeping with his trinity of letters to the San Francisco Chronicle, San Francisco Examiner and Vallejo Times-Herald.

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​Anybody reading the numerous Lake Herman Road newspaper articles would have been aware that one eyewitness reported seeing a second vehicle in the turnout with the Faraday Rambler, but nobody would have been aware of the empty Chevrolet Impala parked in the turnout at 9pm and 10pm on December 20th 1968, except the police and each of the eyewitnesses that night - and probably the killer. If the occupant of this vehicle had traveled into the adjoining fields on two occasions, looking for victims, they would have required additional illumination such as a carry flashlight or gun-mounted flaslight.

If this was the murderer's vehicle he would have known this. Therefore, the claims of the August 4th 1969 letter writer stating that he used a pencil flashlight for extra illumination is extremely noteworthy. Extra illumination would not have been required in the turnout when you have the use of headlights from your vehicle, along with the illumination from within each vehicle. Also, extra illumination would certainly not have been required if the murderer had kept the couple penned inside their vehicle. The only person that would have required additional illumination (either carried or gun-mounted) would have been somebody venturing into the fields surrounding the turnout. Such as the driver of the white Chevrolet Impala, who apparently never came forward. ​There is a distinct possibility that this Chevrolet owner wrote the "Debut of Zodiac" letter, because this person had a viable reason to carry additional illumination as he distanced himself from his vehicle that night. Not once, but twice, on a freezing dark night in Benicia. Possibly an individual, who on July 31st 1969, would promote the idea of hunting humans in the wilderness because it was more fun than killing wild game in the forest. 

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NEW YORK EVENING JOURNAL, MAY 24TH 1932
Rubislaw32 link
12/29/2024 02:54:27 am

Some great food for thought, Richard. And, in all sincerity, what does it all tell us ?

Well, I am minded by the perennial debate of whether David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen were the Zodiac's first victims. They are, technically at least, in the eyes of case custodians CA DOJ.

Had the Zodiac murdered before Lake Herman Road ?

Personally, I don't believe he had. But it is certainly possible that he already held experience of hunting wild creatures, if only the likes of rabbits and birds.

The Zodiac ''knew'' blood & suffering. Humans were a step up for him. But, given the right set of circumstances, such as motive underpinned by provocation - The Zodiac seemed to take to it, like a duck to water.

Richard
12/29/2024 03:19:22 am

The closest we've got to Zodiac killing before Lake Herman Road is Riverside, but this isn't yet conclusive, so I will stick with 5 for now. The Merian C. Cooper link would only reinforce the notion of a killer who is prepared to dig deep into history when preparing his communications. Connect this mind to the Confession letter author, who may have sought through historical newspaper archives, and we have the possibility of one person who lived in Riverside and Vallejo (or the Bay Area). So when searching for suspects, it would potentially narrow the search. Throw in a white Chevrolet into the mix, and the observations presented in the article above are somewhat useful when looking for a likely murderer. This case doesn't necessarily require DNA and fingerprints to solve, it just requires somebody in a position of authority to be arsed.

Rubislaw32 link
12/29/2024 03:34:45 am

''...it just requires somebody in a position of authority to be arsed.''.

A truism for Zodiac-followers' times, Richard. It's getting late in the day for full answers, if the Zodiac is still alive - and would be into his 80's now, if LHR's double murderer, in his mid-twenties.

So many ''if only's''. If only the victims' families had banded themselves together and sought a human rights lawyer to represent them as a group.

Human rights ? That's how fundamental this case has turned out, as in violation of. 56 years of obligated justice - yet to be delivered.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
1/2/2025 09:34:28 am

Riverside and Vallejo might narrow the suspect pool some. I'm not sure who is doing that narrowing however. I also don't know if many would be thinking in such a logical manner.

But that does make sense to me.

I could also see a possibility where the killer was highly mobile. But perhaps that just widens the field a bit.

Rubislaw32 link
12/29/2024 12:43:06 pm

Possibly related :

Concerned Citizen, August 9th 1969:

''Word puzzles is one of my pleasures.''

Frederick the Great, military tactician, King of Prussia, hero to Robert E Lee and Winston Churchhill. And, ''apparent'' poetic solution to the Zodiac's 1990 Celebrity Cipher:

''Le Noble Pleasure''. The Noble Pleasure ? This reference by Frederick the Great refers to the pursuit of the nobility, who populated their land and forests with wild game, so that they could then go out and hunt them down for the purposes of sport and recreation.

It seems to have been a sarcastic term employed by Frederick, since his business was winning wars. But, he depended on the nobility to supply him the human resource in the form of their Private Armies.

From the Franglais Celebrity Cipher plaintext solution (Z65), a message to the staff at The Vallejo-Times Herald:

''Noble Pleasure loses a love, Busboys, for a game without its tired S.P.''.

''S.P.'' ? Up for grabs. San Francisco Police and Secret Pal possible candidates.

EdEdwardsCiphers
12/29/2024 05:27:00 pm

"Word puzzles"....The concernED citizen letter.

One of my theories, has as a lynchpin the letter you mentioned. In certain places it's referred to as an unconfirmed letter.

I however believe it to be confirmed.

I believe it to contain a word puzzle. I also believe it contains not only a cipher, but the Zodiac Sigil as a cipher.

Curious thing is, I've found that cipher, from a text that explains how one can find a cipher connected to, the Black Dahlia case. Which makes no sense.

This would mean -- if I'm correct that is -- that decades after the Black Dalia murder, a website that goes on too long to describe the details of the Black Dahlia murder, painstakingly walks the reader through how to detect a cipher, that is actually quite basic, and quite old, but not on anyone's radar.

A cipher that turns up in a completely different murder (A crime of the century no less) and one that only introduces the keen observer, to yet another iteration of that same cipher.

Then to have that cipher, that is described decades later, and supposedly connected to the Black Dahlia, actually describe a cipher that I believe is in the concernED citiZen letter.

It's a crazy story. We'll see if any of it is true. Hopefully soon.

Rubislaw32 link
12/29/2024 06:07:54 pm

Breaking news: SmallOrbit, a Z-contributor at Reddit has uncovered the 2nd skeleton, contained inside the Zodiac's Halloween card. It was part of another Halloween card, and the Zodiac simply cut it out.

''The Bird'' to Mr Fagan, who recently made disparaging inferences about those at the Reddit sub.

Rubislaw32 link
12/29/2024 07:01:37 pm

SmallOrbit may have ''scored double''. The pumpkin inside this 2nd Halloween card may be the one that the Zodiac used for the front of his Halloween card to Paul Avery.

Richard
12/30/2024 05:20:28 am

It was certainly the pumpkin used.

Richard link
12/30/2024 05:24:58 am

Brings a new dimension to the phrase peek-a-boo. Click my name.

Richard
12/30/2024 05:27:31 am

Zodiac obviously saw the cut out section on the card and cut out the skeleton and pumpkin for good measure.

Rubislaw32 link
12/30/2024 10:48:40 am

Indeed Richard - my initial focus has been nine-tenths about the pumpkin, rather than the skeleton. So, I'm glad you think so, too.

I think the Zodiac just touched-up the pumpkin a little - then varnished it, or similar. It was always employed as a ''flap'', probably concealing something ''naughty'' underneath. Such as a ''boner''.

Rich
12/30/2024 10:59:10 am

Yes, and I'd have to put that on my site in 3D if that were the case. YouTube would go into meltdown.

Rubislaw32 link
12/31/2024 05:11:51 pm

Without meaning to become too puerile about matters, I wonder what the chances are of the Zodiac employing one of the girls legs, as a ''third leg'' allocated to the first skeleton - concealed under the pumpkin.

The Zodiac seemed a resourceful guy, making best use of what he had to hand, at the time.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
12/31/2024 09:58:19 pm

Curious about understanding what a "Third leg" would accomplish?

Can you expand a bit?

I may have missed some of the backstory as to why that would be a thing.

Rubislaw32 link
1/1/2025 12:04:21 am

The inference that buggery was in store for the hapless one (Avery), once the Zodiac held him as a slave.

The Zodiac would exact his ''Fag Fee'' for unkind things said about the Zodiac.

A pretty straightforward interpretation, given what is presented on the card, and case history, up to that October 1970 point.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
1/1/2025 06:35:35 am

Ok. I think I'm getting it. Perhaps in time I'll understand better.

It's seems like the reference to a 3rd leg is the classic penile euphemism then? I'm not a hundred percent sure I got that, but it seems like that's where you're headed to.

Tx for the response. Appreciate you taking the time. Looks like I still have a lot to learn.

Rubislaw32 link
1/1/2025 08:07:39 am

Sure thing, EdEdwardsCiphers.

I've seen some of your visual presentations at YouTube, and I think you do a very good job. I'm not persuaded by your suspect, myself - but that doesn't mean that we can't all bring something to the Zodiac table.

Anyone with enough interest, is capable of solving the case at anytime.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
1/1/2025 10:35:23 am

Thanks for the kind words Law of Ruby.

We can only hope anyone can help with the investigation. It seems unsolved for so long, let's hope crowdsourcing might help.

As far as not believing or being convinced in "my suspect" that's perfectly acceptable.

Once you come to understand how I feel, not only just about "my suspect", but about this entire case and my place in it, you may get a better idea of how I interpret that statement.

Thanks for checking out my channel. The current videos were hard to produce, but they were instrumental in me posting them for a timestamp. They're posted almost as a claim, to show what I found and approximately when I found them.

The timing is off, because some I detected over a decade ago. But they're posted to show approximately what I knew, and when I knew it. As I mentioned, Shakedog is on my tail. He'll possibly for sure next figure out also, why the murderer called himself the Zodiac. We'll soon see if he does.

Look forward to many upgrades to the videos, which in reviewing them are both too short, and do not serve the function of the story I need to tell. The story as I don't need to tell you, is both large in scope, and hard to connect the dots, but I believe there is a story to tell where the murderer left the dots, for someone to connect. Possibly way after he was gone.

Hopefully I'll be able to post links to those updates here.

I expect this year to be a banner one.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
12/29/2024 08:28:04 pm

I love the Halloween Card. And I love that these new findings about it are coming to light.

There remains a missing understanding, in my opinion, of what the card is however, and what it means.

This will be something I hope to expand on in the coming year. I already have a video up on it, but I need to expand on it more.

That card, as you've identified is fully customized by "The Zodiac". Meaning, only the image of the skeleton on the front is wholly original to the card. As you've pointed out, the 2nd skeleton is from another card.

But both skeletons have a commonality. Why and how?

The commonality between them continues on the back of the card, that no one has connected, making a full theme of the entire customized card.

The image on the back has the word "Paradice" on it, and that is the focus for most people.

No one has noticed the theme that is throughout the entire card. No one sees the full thematic structure. The puzzle, the work that he's created.

1. The first skeleton on the front
2. The second skeleton in the middle
3. The customized backing of the card - Paradice, in a specific formation

No one has yet realized that they are part of a puzzle. While I haven't noticed or look for it much in his other cards, this one I had to "figure out ", because he didn't make it EZ.

This is a person who thought in puzzles, and this card is a good one.

All three customizations of this card, share a theme. Uncovering it helps to point to what a "Zodiac" was, and why he called himself that. He did this to point to his identity. Always leaving clews for those who would be looking, and capable.

It points to the hidden life of what Ed Edwards really was, that he possibly hid from his family. What he had been doing, and into, his entire life.

As before, I'll hope to have more on my channel in the new year. There's already a video up, but I'll be making more and a better one, especially for this find.

Happy New Year.

Richard link
12/30/2024 05:47:38 am

SmallOrbit displayed an array of vintage cards for sale on Ebay, which included a Halloween card that had the skeleton and pumpkin used by the Zodiac Killer on his October 27th 1970 communication. It's a great find by SmallOrbit. In the array of cards on the Ebay listing, it is clear that the Ebay seller's card has a cut out rectangle section on the card outer where the eyes from the little girl on the card inner peep through the skull of the skeleton when closed. It appears as though the Zodiac Killer decided to cut out the little girl's eyes and pasted them onto the skeleton in his Halloween card, before whiting out the centre of the eyes. Was he suggesting his 14th victim was a young girl?

Rich
12/30/2024 06:53:20 am

This means that if you peel off the eyes from the inner skeleton, there will be a cut rectangle beneath.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
12/30/2024 07:37:09 am

It bears repeating, so I have to repeat it.

The forest is being missed for the trees with this card. So many are focusing on the micro; the many eyes on the tree, the 4-teen, the Zodiac VF cattle brand.

Everyone is missing the macro.

The entire card, the front with the original skeleton. Customized with the pumpkin, again another clew. The skeleton he customized on the inside, which we're now discussing which shows a dedication to care and crafting.

But no one, is connecting thematically those two things, which have an obvious connection to those who "speak that language", to the back of the card, that has what seems like a disjointed customization in the "Paradice" creation image.

Because the back of the card, does not contain a skeleton, nor the similar writing including the VF symbol on it, most don't stop to think to understand what it is.

It is so different from the first 2 items (skeletons), no one understands its relevance. Because it's not different. It is symbolic and a puzzle, that comes back to reference the themes behind the first 2 items.

This person did not put that item on the back by chance or whim. All 3 items, customizations, they all speak a certain "language".

They are hints that the "Zodiac" is explaining for what drives him. What his ideology is.

No one has connected the 1st 2 skeletons together yet, which is the easiest of the patterns to connect. Connecting the "Paradice" configuration on the back to the first 2, is actually hard, and would take a basic amount of research, that I've not seen anyone attempt to do.

But if they did, just by first understanding how the 1st 2 items connect to each other, there may be some luck in connecting the 3rd item to it as well.

Once you understand how all 3 items, are communicating something, you then stand a chance of understanding what a "Zodiac" was. What Edwards was.

I possibly discovered this maybe over a year ago. I say possibly because I've been doing this so long, the times are overlapping and are honestly not as important to me as the "themes".

The themes are something he's been trying to communicate, but he's always thinking in puzzles, and this card was a great example of it.

From front, to back, he's created this theme. Which most should understand is important to him, because it is so customized. He's putting great care into this, and in my opinion, no one is understanding that and taking it into account that it could mean something. Something different even from all the other cards he sent. Because this one had so much work.

Why do I think that? Why do I say this?

He drives the point home, with another card that he had also sent. The dripping pen card.

The dripping pen card is the same theme. It speaks the same "language". He's sharing items as bits and clews. The halloween card, and the dripping pen card, literally and thematically are referring to the same thing.

These are huge clews that circle back, and connect to the theme of what he was, and what he was doing. These are huge hints as to what he, the "Zodiac" was.

Rich
12/30/2024 09:44:08 am

In the past (and still sometimes today) I have considered that the great lengths the creator of the Halloween card went to in adding a second skeleton indicated somebody who was claiming two victims. That is maybe what you are referring to. I know that Edward Edwards, who he described as his most "uncomfortable memory" from his time at the Deer Lodge Prison. A prisoner who held the belief that anyone killed by him would become his slave in the afterlife.

"An inmate who particularly stands out in my mind was the man who killed a deputy sheriff. When the posse found him hiding out in an outhouse, he told them "You can't convict me because I swallowed the evidence." He had swallowed the bullets. This demented individual showed an overwhelmingly interest in science fiction and Egyptian literature. He believed that anyone he killed would be his slave in the next life. He was generally disliked and distrusted by the other inmates. I personally felt that he was one of the most deranged and potentially dangerous persons in the prison. You never knew when he was going to erupt. ​Unfortunately, this inmate idolized me, for the simple reason that I had earned the respect of the population- something, deep down, he desperately wanted to do. He had an uncanny knack for making your skin crawl. Today, when I think about all the different types I met in that excuse for a penitentiary, this man remains my most uncomfortable memory".

This paves the way for "slaves" and "paradise". This may not be the line your taking Ed, but if you are addressing a person who is sceptical of Edward Wayne Edwards as the Zodiac Killer, that is where you push forward and they don't. My problem with interpreting the Halloween card (which I do from time to time), is the endless avenues one can take. I've seen hundreds and that is the problem. Many are suggestions and some are strong beliefs. I don't want to unconvince anyone from the latter, but I remain in the camp of the Halloween card being open to multiple interpretations. I suspect it is the entirety of the rest of your work on Edwards that convinces you that your analysis of this card is correct. It certainly can't be this card alone. For me, I still remain neutral and suspect free, until such time as undeniable evidence comes my way. And that doesn't necessarily mean DNA or fingerprints. Of course, everybody will disagree on what constitutes evidence and what value we place on an individual's findings. It is that difference that takes all down different paths. I have remained steadfast for 13 years that none of the suspects in the Zodiac case has ever convinced me to get on the suspect train, and I doubt that will ever change, But equally, I never try to dissuade anybody of having a strong belief in one. That has proved in the past always to be a good idea. So what I do Ed is present my neutral position and people either like it, hate it, or are ambivalent to it. Let the masses decide.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
12/30/2024 11:30:38 am

Richard,

The commentary provided by Edwards in the paper, If I recall correctly, was shown to be a frame up for one of the people that became a Zodiac suspect but in reality was another frame up job by Edwards.

I believe this was Bujok.

In that article, which I believe you're citing, Det. John Cameron surmises that Edwards is conflating the name and time of his confinement with a false recollection meant to simulate the name of Bujok.

This is the level of sophistication and manipulation by Edwards. It's media manipulation and he's essentially performing stochastic terrorism. He's trying to leverage the media, as a mass mob utility to direct LE towards a particular suspect.

This should be considered in terms of a profile for someone like the Zodiac.

I hope you'll wish me luck in the New Year with my entreaties to help the masses decide. I might very well need it.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
12/30/2024 11:24:41 am

Thanks Richard. Correct on multiple fronts.

The halloween card, like so much in this case is open to many interpretations. And as such many people have done just that. Shared their interpretation.

Your assumption that there is more than the Halloween card that persuades me. The answer is a resounding yes.

As previously mentioned, there are 3 thematic customizations to that card.

1. The pumpkin on the front along with the #14
2. The skeleton in the middle along with a #4-teen
3. The Paradice insignia on the back

These taken all together, are a thematic club over the head, that the Zodiac was trying to get through to anyone who was trying to understand and think in puzzles. They are tests, these puzzles.

As someone mentioned, correctly in my opinion. He was always looking for a counter part. He never really found one.

The Halloween card, is 3 clews, one theme, all in one card. No one has put that together.

The dripping pen card is a completely different card. Sent on a different occasion. I don't recall if it's after or before the Halloween card, as I mention, I'm not the best with those details. I'm more a theme person.

The dripping pen card, is a continuation of the theme that is all throughout the Halloween Card.

Namely, tarot.

The themes that I've not seen anyone pickup on, is that the 1st and 2nd skeletons are from the "tarot" set of cards. They are identical poses of bodies (He chooses skeletons, which are present in the tarot sets, but not always) that are in the tarot card sets.

He's playing arts and crafts with these themes from tarot.

1. The original skeleton on the front, is stock on the card. The position of the hands, both left and right are from the tarot deck, however the position of the body with the legs fully extended is not. To address this, he applies the pumpkin. An obvious clue. As the comparable tarot card is usually of a goat with the same positions of the arms, but is usually seated, and the goats legs are furry and orange. Like the pumpkin. That's a clew.

2. The inner skeleton is another tarot card, but it's upside down. This would throw anyone off, who is not aware of what he's doing. But I have that in my video as well. He's simply transposed it. This is him thinking differently than other people. He's used to manipulating things mentally in dimensional space. Similar to Homophones. Those who can't think like him would miss that.

3. The paradice image, is a replication of something very old. Some basic research will open anyone's eyes to what it is. Further research may show how it comes back to address the first 2 items. It requires a transposition of the name of what the item is.

This is simply a puzzle. And it's how he thought, in puzzles and in themes. His mind is not limited to cryptograms. Which is why most will never find him. To think that he's a master of cryptography and that means cryptograms, is to not understanding cryptology and information "hiding" is. Even moreso for the origins of cryptography, which many could benefit from boning up on.

That is one theme on the customized Halloween card, with 3 clues.

He does it again with the dripping pen card.

Once you realize, that the Halloween card is a reference to tarot, and you figure out what the 2nd skeleton is in the tarot deck, you will then see what the dripping pen card is as well.

The dripping pen card, is the same class of tarot card from the halloween card. It's the same thing. To the untrained eye, you will look at it, and see something completely different. But to those that speak that "language" they will see it immediately and know what it is.

2 different cards, with these overwhelming thematic consistencies. Never detected. He's sending clues to his identity.

These are all undetected items that I've not come across on any fora about the cards, and as you mentioned, I have other connections that tie back to Edwards and his doings. Which is the only reason I have a suspect.

No one else has a good understanding of why he even called himself the Zodiac other than to believe it's about a watch. I don't believe that. Someone doesn't commit murder and is smart enough to get away with it by believing in a watch. There is usually a more personal and powerful belief system that drives them.

We can also see that Zodiac made social commentary, so a watch to me is not strong evidence.

My channel will have more explainers and more connections, because as you know more than most, this is not a small task and has been attempted by competent and qualified individuals although every Tom Dick and Harry believe they've solved who the Zodiac was.

I'm not like most.

I came to all of this accidentally. I don't have the desire or drive that I see most have that claim to be in this community. My goal is to just be able to express what I've found, because I've found it to be hard for some to see what I see.

That's why I have a youtube channel. I've found that

EdEdwardsCiphers link
12/30/2024 11:34:37 am

Apologies, my last post must have been cutoff, similar to what happened to Jibber.

Possibly rightly so, as I might have gone on too long, and gotten too preachy. Oh well. You can't win em all.

Perhaps we'll need to take a wait and see approach.

Rich
12/30/2024 11:59:45 am

Just as a quick pointer Ed, the comments only allow the character count where you and Jibber got cut off. If in doubt in the future, split your comments into two portions. It will save you typing stuff that doesn't feature.

EdEdwardsCiphers
12/30/2024 02:52:31 pm

Sir Richard,

The technology was giving me in it's way, the same nudging guidance you might have also been.

"That's enuff for now Ed"

I would imagine it was saying.

Rich
12/30/2024 03:25:57 pm

I don't mind anybody posting what they like here Ed, but with researching the articles and writing them, responding to emails, posting on other forums and trying to reply to as many comments here as possible, it's difficult to keep up sometimes and get blurred vision syndrome. After all, I'm not the spritely young chap I once was, just a wizened husk running on fumes.Like all forums or comments sections Ed, more input from more people would be beneficial, so I could take a back seat and rise the wave. You're most welcome to post what you like here Ed.

Rich
12/30/2024 03:30:54 pm

That is why I'm now making errors in my comments, I can't read what I'm writing anymore. Anyway, have a Happy New Year Ed, and my fellow commenters.

Rubislaw32 link
12/30/2024 05:31:59 pm

A Happy New Year, Richard - and thank you for opening up the Zodiac debate to corners that aren't usually reached.

And, for keeping most of us ''on the straight and narrow''.

Did I mention that I have always believed that the Zodiac wrote ''Papa dice'' on the back of the Halloween card - and not ''Paradice'' ?

It means ''Father says'' in Spanish. It's those ''No 1 cipher-people'', the FB*, up to their tricks again.

Cheers to all.

Rich
12/30/2024 11:17:12 pm

Happy New Year Rubislaw.

VT_Squire
1/2/2025 12:13:57 pm

Last week you wrote: "I have tried all the significant phrases in the Confession letter of reasonable length (unchanged), but haven't found any. Especially not 8 consecutive words. Give it a go and find out for yourself. Try and find "man is the most dangerous animal of all" somewhere other than 1932, prior to July 31st 1969 and see how easy it is."

Are you contending that SIX identical words in a string "makes a lot more sense" to support a theory of inspiration than eight?

Richard
1/2/2025 01:24:43 pm

I'm not sure what your question is, but I always believed the "The Most Dangerous Game" was the trigger for the Zodiac Killer, especially when I saw that Rampage (1963), based loosely upon "The Most Dangerous Game" appeared on US television on July 20th 1969, which was publicized in the day as "The woman who was the most dangerous game of all". But neither this phraseology or the film title "The Most Dangerous Game" was close to "man is the most dangerous animal of all". So I went back to 1932 when "The Most Dangerous Game" was released to see if I could find anything connected to the film carried the exact phrase. It did. Merian C. Cooper, its associate producer was interviewed by reporters, and he stated "man is the most dangerous animal of all". Like I said, I've only found this exact quote by one person other than Zodiac, and it was Cooper three times in 1932. If you believe this is coincidence that is your perogative, but I don't. But I searched further to find his inspiration, and found another hunter who also worked at RKO, and he stated The most dangerous animal of all to capture is the gorilla".

It is difficult to prove to anyone's satisfaction a connection between Riverside and Zodiac, so I considered that if were dealiing with one mind, he may have used a similar technique in the confession letter. That is when I sae the plagiarism in the confession letter, possibly taken from the November 24th 1966 newspaper article and the mention of Jack the Ripper. The quote of "it was about time for her to die" sounded like it was ripped from a movie, so I did an archive search, and lo and behold, the only year it appeared was 1888, the year of the Ripper. I didn't expect to find anything, but the idea of applying what I had learned from the July 1969 letters into Riverside, was to identify a like-minded individual that could be Zodiac in 1966 and 1969. Some people may find this examination interesting and some may not. That is for each person to decide.

Rubislaw32 link
1/3/2025 02:04:14 am

I am in support that the Zodiac was influenced by the 1932 quote, Richard.

But, let's be accurate about this - and according to the white paper published in April this year - accorded to ''Private Citizens'' - but with the lions share of work carried out by the FBI in its compiling.

Private Citizens & Dan Olson were of the opinion that the Zodiac did not deploy polyphones for either Z408 or Z340.

Therefore, they are of the opinion that the Zodiac actually said:

''Man is the most hongertue anamal of all.''

Some might say (?) ''anamal'' is a reasonable assumption that the Zodiac misspelt ''animal''.

Bur, surely ''hongertue'' is a stretch too far on extent of the Zodiac's credulity in believing readers acceptance, for the word ''dangerous'' ?

But, there you have it - Olson and his Private Citizens think the Zodiac said ''hongertue''.

Nice.

Rubislaw32 link
1/3/2025 02:47:08 am

Further to this, I once spent time (about 2 days) re-enacting how ''concerned citizen'' constructed his plaintext solution to Z408, employing the polyphones on offer in his accompanying cipher keys sheet - to VPD's John Lynch.

And, the polyphones on offer do indeed transform ''hongertue'' into ''dangerous''. I would say, beyond reasonable doubt, ''concerned citizen'' is the Zodiac.

And, that ''The Zodiac'' did deploy (8) polyphones in his Z408 - which tidied up some (but not all) perceived spelling errors.

But somehow, Private Citizens don't agree - and as a consequence are, and as referenced in their white paper, willing to accept that the Zodiac wrote ''dangerous'' as ''hongertue''.

Richard
1/3/2025 03:02:11 am

We know the Zodiac made mistakes when composing his ciphers, so until "hongertue" becomes an English word I'm prepared to confidently state that "dangerous" was the intention, irrespective of any errors. As for the "concerned citizen" letter, I think that the "good citizen" letter on October 7th 1969 goes a long way to showing that the August 10th 1969 letter to Sergeant Lynch was genuine Zodiac.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
1/3/2025 05:44:52 am

Do either of you think there's a chance that the letter writer is "Z" due to the use of the word citiZen which includes a "Z" in the word that signifies a person?

And that the person in question, the "citiZen" -- is he that sent the letter in question?

And that the person "signed" with that moniker could be a sort of game?

Could that be a thing?

Rubislaw32 link
1/3/2025 06:07:49 am

One can never be certain, EdEdwardsCiphers, until the Zodiac speaks for himself. But, I would doubt that to be overly significant.

The term ''citizen'' was used more frequently then, anyway, in general. A slightly antiquated look to it now (?).

The Zodiac also employed ''A Citizen'' in the Badlands letter. And, more than likely, ''A concerned citizen for freedom !'', at the time the Watergate scandal first caught traction.

Rubislaw32 link
1/3/2025 03:19:27 am

I agree that ''good citizen'' was also the Zodiac. And, it ought to be pointed out - aimed again at Det Sgt John Lynch of the Vallejo PD.

Lynch was the individual that CA DOJ depended on, before the FBI assumed the role of Intelligence processors, including ''decipherment opinions''.

But, the Zodiac wasn't to know, nor particularly bothered probably - when exactly the FBI took over a particular responsibility. Lynch appeared to be the Zodiac's ''Go to'' man. Lynch, who also supervised the calls coming in, in response to the SF Chronicle's scoop publication of the Harden''s initial 408-solve.

Rubislaw32 link
1/3/2025 04:22:27 am

To keep everyone else abreast - the ''ESP'' letter from ''good citizen'' to Lynch, 4 days before the Zodiac's execution of cabbie Paul Stine. Chilling, perhaps, that this letter may have been a part of the Zodiac's build-up to a Presidio Heights attack.

But, when did the Zodiac (figureatively) first attack the FBI ? As appearing to be so - November 21st 1969, and the San Jose letter & cryptogram. And I see it, ''putting egg on the FBI's faces'': O I F B I O - Eggman 1, FBI 0.

Rubislaw32 link
1/3/2025 06:27:35 am

Oh yes - this letter was forwarded on to the FBI's office in Butte, Montana - presumably as perceived instructions from the Zodiac.

So one could say that the FBI became the ''Butte of the Zodiac's joke'' ?

Perhaps they were mixing it up with Butte County CA (?), where there exists ''The Valley of Butte'' - a place that a curious Zodiac must surely have visited. And, a ''Paradice'', where much of the film ''Gone with the wind'' was filmed. That in itself, has ''bottom'' connotations.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
1/3/2025 11:18:33 am

Perhaps he was also making a sly reference to the saying "She's a real Butte, that one" which may be a colloquial?


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