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THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF MURDER

11/25/2024

 
PictureSourced from a 1932 newspaper (image added)
As Zodiac researchers and sleuths, we have long sought a credible link between the Zodiac murders and the Riverside activity in 1966 and 1967, if one exists. Recently I came to the conclusion that the only way to achieve this, other than a forensic link, was to confidently bind together the two lengthy communications associated with the Zodiac Killer on November 29th 1966 and July 31st 1969. If these were Zodiac letters, then they would be the last Riverside communication of any length, followed by the first communications from Zodiac.

In between, we had the three Bates' letters in 1967 carrying the short message of "Bates had to die. There will be more" and "She had to die. There will be more". Three letters to mirror his opening gambit on July 31st 1969. The trinity of Zodiac letters to the Vallejo Times-Herald, San Francisco Examiner and San Francisco Chronicle on July 31st 1969 had elements of the Bates' letters, replacing "She had to die. There will be more", with "When I die" and "I will cruse around and pick off all stray people and coupples that are alone, then move on to kill some more". The Zodiac Killer would now be considering his death with "die", and be promising "more" murder if his demands were not met. But of course, that wasn't all.

PictureTHE EVENING BULLETIN, DECEMBER 11TH 1888
The Zodiac Killer on July 31st 1969 would exactly plagiarize the utterances of Merian C. Cooper, the associate producer of The Most Dangerous Game (1932), who upon release of the RKO movie, stated "man is the most dangerous animal of all". In other words, the Zodiac Killer took eight consecutive words from 1932, which I have currently found in only three newspaper articles from 37 years previous.

The Confession letter author on November 29th 1966 did exactly the same thing, taking the eight consecutive words of "it was about time for her to die" from The Evening Bulletin newspaper from Providence, Rhode Island on December 11th 1888 (the year of Jack the Ripper). If the November 29th 1966 and July 31st 1969 letters were both from Zodiac, then he used sixteen words (two consecutive sequences of eight) from historic newspapers, 78 years and 37 years previous to his writings. But how would it come about that the author of the Confession letter would use wording from the newspaper article on the left?

The Confession letter author appeared to plagiarize wording from "The Press" newspaper on November 24th 1966, which ran an article mentioning Jack the Ripper. Therefore, I considered the possibility that its author may travel back to 1888 and search microfiche reels, in order to subtly place a quote from the times of Jack the Ripper into his Confession letter. Don't forget, the Confession letter did contain the Ripper style wording of "I shall cut off her female parts and deposit them for the whole city to see". Alongside the stories of Jack the Ripper in 1888 was the above story of "The Sturdy Beggar", who placed his hand into his hip pocket (probably reaching for a presumed knife) and stated that "it was about time for her to die", thereby threatening the woman. If the Confession letter author had read this newspaper article, all he had to do was set up the preamble of "When we were away from the library walking, I said it was about time. She asked me "about time for what". I said ..." - and then deliver this punch line  It would imply that these words were never spoken by the killer of Cheri Jo Bates, whether the author of the Confession letter or not. This sequence of wording on November 29th 1966 always appeared excessively dramatic - as though the author had teed himself up to deliver this punch line. These eight words possibly being sourced from 1888, continuing the theme from the November 24th 1966 newspaper article, in which the offender stated "I'm not Jack the Ripper". 

The April 30th 1967 "Bates Had to Die" letters stated that "there will be more". The July 31st 1969 letter to the Vallejo Times-Herald promised "to kill some more". The March 13th 1971 letter to the Los Angeles Times, in which the Zodiac Killer credited police for stumbling across his Riverside activity, stated "there are a hell of a lot more down there".  The content of the Bates' letters were unknown to the public on July 31st 1969. I was unable to find the phrase "it was about time for her to die" in any other newspaper article in the 276 years previous to November 29th 1966. Other than reporting about the Confession letter, I have also not found these consecutive eight words in the 58 years subsequent to 1966. If you can find either of these eight word phrases outside of 1888 and 1932 (other than quotes about the Zodiac Killer writings or Confession letter), please let me know in comments. 

JACK THE RIPPER AND THE CONFESSION LETTER
A JOURNEY FROM HELL TO RIVERSIDE 
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THE "RIPPER" MURDER OF JULIA CONNORS IN 1912 BY NATHAN SCHWARTZ, WHO LEFT A CONFESSION NOTE.
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Richard
11/25/2024 08:33:01 am

I will gladly amend or delete these articles if somebody can disprove the claims presented. I have scoured the newspaper archives to attempt to find other mentions of these two sequences of 8 words, but have been unable to find any. You may have better luck!!

Johnny
11/25/2024 08:43:31 am

Nobody can! But one thing i wanted to say in your last article was that Rubi has such a beautiful prose, we miss JibbyJabby and Edward are very welcome and do extremely well.


Richard
11/25/2024 09:22:32 am

I wouldn't be too confident Johnny, Cragle and Druzer are lurking.

Richard
11/25/2024 09:23:56 am

Yes, Jibby has helped me many times. Ed is a good contributor also.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
11/25/2024 09:41:43 am

I can't dispute any of what you wrote. And as I mentioned in a previous post, your work and archiving of so many of the facts of the case, could not get higher praise, than to be recommended to me, by someone I hold in high esteem for tracking the Zodiac.

And they're right. Your site is encyclopedic in its importance to the case. They told me, they use your site as the source to corroborate a lot of their work. You should consider that high praise.

As far as the Riverside connection, I'm not good with any of the facts of the case. I joke that my name is not EdEdwardsFacts for that reason. I'm more of a deciphering meaning type of person.

Extracting themes, meaning, and one or 2 ciphers is what I have in this case. Not much.

But one thing I did notice, is that there is a certain serial killer, that was supposedly living with his Aunt during the time of Paul Stines murder in the cab.

What's weird is, that Aunt of a serial killer, lived right where Paul Stine's cab stopped initially, but then moved a block ahead almost as if it received instruction to move up so as not to be seen in front of where that Aunt lived.

A small amount of research on my part much later on, actually shows that same Aunt of a serial kiler, also lived in Riverside. But I'm sure it's a coincidence just like many things are in this case. That and possible bias confirmation on my part. We may never really know.

Richard
11/25/2024 10:32:01 am

Thanks Ed for the encouraging words. Do I have to look no further than your pseudonym to unearth the serial killer and the Aunt? Just a wild stab in the dark. Regardless, finding the Aunt of a serial killer by Washington & Maple is no mean feat. Very curious.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
11/25/2024 11:25:01 am

Sir Richard. Yes that is correct. While it's a common trope amongst Zodiologists to claim that a suspect is -- such and such distance from a crime site. For ex. "Door to door", is the famous quote from the movie.

Edwards' Aunt lived literally right there. Right where Stine first stopped, then slowly rolled a block ahead and not letting whomever was inside off, at the first stop. But instead at the second. Which proved fatal for him, and his last stop.

I believe the term would have been "a bit too on the nose" if Stine was murdered right in front of the doorstep where a serial killer, that just left portland and was a suspect in a double homicide of a couple on a lovers lane would have been living. Would have been too on the nose.

Upon a recent search while in a thread on "that other place" I took to googling the name of that Aunt of a serial killer, to see her location history while living there by the presidio.

I was surprised to see, she had a previous address -- in Riverside. Which could mean, Edwards was operating from her address there previously as well.

Now I don't want to confuse you. So I'll reiterate, my name is not EdEdwardsFacts, so I get a lot wrong. I'll never do well on Zodiac Jeopardy. But I'm pretty good with themes and meaning. In fact, I think I'm very good at it. Reading wise that is, and perhaps not so much in real life. Reading comprehension I'm pretty good at supposedly.

Some will claim, that the timeline does not match up for Edwards being in jail/prison while some of these murders took place. Again, I'm not great with the facts. But the theme I go by, is for example how Edwards got released while in Portland by having someone pose as his alibi over the phone, while he skipped town from a holding cell. For murder mind you.

The way I process this, is that many don't think like a criminal. Edwards would hint in his autobiography that he was very cozy with guards, sometimes trading things with them. Not farfetched, to have someone falsify a record, or take a quick handout for looking the other way. Or faking a furlough. Would make for a great alibi. If one thought like a crook.

VT_Squire
12/1/2024 11:39:20 pm

"I will gladly amend or delete these articles if somebody can disprove the claims presented. I have scoured the newspaper archives to attempt to find other mentions of these two sequences of 8 words, but have been unable to find any. "

The inability or disinclination to disprove a claim does not make it claim valid.


Unless of course you're thoroughly prepared to write an article declaring confidence that the Zodiac was really into Scooby Doo, which is just plain silly.

https://imgur.com/a/e4B0s2B


EdEdwardsCiphers link
11/25/2024 09:29:23 am

Don't say I'm a good contributor too loud. Vdruzer might here you.

Rubislaw32 link
11/25/2024 05:45:03 pm

Something for the pot: Where do we see ''Jack'' portrayed in fiction ?

Brigadier General Jack D Ripper in Stanley Kubrick's 1964 film ''Dr Strangelove''. A cold war tale of a US President's vain attempts to stop Brigadier General Jack D Ripper stealing a bomber aircraft laden with nuclear weapons, to drop over the Soviet Union.

On September 18th 1975, Patty Hearst was finally arrested in San Francisco.

On September 20th 1975, Patty's father Randolph Hearst received a typed letter at the San Francisco Examiner. Sent from Temple, Texas, and written by Brigadier General Matrix, claiming to be an SLA commander.

It was counter signed by: Pat Mac Jew

Pat: Pat Buchanan, ex-special advisor to Richard Nixon ?
Mac: Robert Strange McNamara, ex Defence Secretary ?
Jew: Stanley Kubrick ?

Ref: FBI HEARNAP File 37, page 573.

Rubislaw32 link
11/25/2024 06:22:41 pm

The Zodiac, November 9th 1969:

''Take one bag of ammonium nitrate fertilizer and one gal. of stove oil and dump a few bags of gravel on top and set the shit off, and will positively ventalate (sic) any things that should be in the way of the blast.''.

Major General Matrix, September 20th 1975:

''....how we make an A-bomb. First you get a Howitzer 105 artillery piece and allowing for passages of air to escape when fired, you cap it off with some subcritical U238. Then you make a projectile out of some subcritical U238 and place it in the chamber of the Howitzer. When you fire off the shell, the explosive charge instantaneously joins the subcritical masses and forms one subcritical mass and you have a great big flash...''.

Johnny
11/25/2024 09:03:47 pm

You have now advanced from Tolstoy prose to the most beautiful poetry, Rubi. This i cant comment on, just take it in and be content with it.

Rubislaw32 link
11/26/2024 12:57:45 am

Thanks Johnny - I have a feeling that this letter from Brigadier General Matrix was typed, using the same typewriter used by ''concerned citizen'' in August 1969, sending cipher keys to solve Z408, to Vallejo PD's John Lynch. AND, the ''Santa Claus'' postcard from ''S C'' to Joan Webster's family, circa January 1982.

Given an Austin Texas link to the ''Santa Claus'' postcard, it might be explained by a single typewriter, by September 1975, residing in Texas - but formerly residing in the Bay area.

Did the Zodiac drop his old typewriter off with friends or relatives in Texas ? - then used it briefly in September 1975 and January 1982.

Some might say ''a tenuous link'': The typewriter was typing a ''dodgy lower-case ''a'' ''. An ''a'' which tended to drop below the usual level of typed lower-case alphabetic letters from the typewriter.

Magnify Glasses, out ?

Rubislaw32 link
11/26/2024 01:15:24 am

Distance from Austin TX to Temple TX is 68 miles. Estimated drive-time: 1hr 6mins.

Rubislaw32 link
11/26/2024 06:32:56 am

Yes - it's the ''ea'' as a combination, which is particularly noticeable for all three correspondences:

''concerned citizen'' Aug 1969: Serg - ea - nt.

''Brigadier General Matrix'', Sept 1975: H - ea - rst.

''S C - Santa Claus'', Jan 1982: pl - ea - se.

The Zodiac's old typewriter with a dodgy ''a'', tracked from Bay area to Texas ?

Johnny
11/25/2024 09:01:43 pm

The gap in time beside Riverside and the UCR girl could be because she could describe him so well. It fits so perfectly if its him for Riverside, the letters and also the Zodiac activity.

If its not and he is only the letterwriter, i found this from an -64 Signals magaizine: "... radio operator and for the next four years handled Fleet Communications at ... Vallejo Police Department . He later joined Lock- heed Aircraft in Burbank ... ham radio for a Cal- ifornia newspaper , Director of the American Relay …"

It could be this person or some other that had inside info.


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