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RICHARD GRINELL, COVENTRY, ENGLAND
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SEARCHING FOR STRAYS IN THE NIGHT

1/28/2025

 
The one thing I noticed in the Zodiac Killer's trinity of letters to the San Francisco Chronicle, San Francisco Examiner and Vallejo Times-Herald on July 31st 1969, was when he mentioned the Vallejo Times-Herald first he used the present tense, but when he referred to the San Francisco Chronicle and San Francisco Examiner newspapers he used the past tense, possibly revealing subconsciously that Vallejo was in his "here and now", while San Francisco was somewhere he had mailed his letters but had now returned home. Indicating he was a resident of Vallejo. 

Vallejo Times-Herald: "Here is a cyipher or that is part of one. the other 2 parts have been mailed to the S.F. Examiner + the S.F. Chronicle."
San Francisco Examiner: "Here is a cipher or that is part of one. The other 2 parts are being mailed to the Vallejo Times + S.F. Chronicle." 
San Francisco Chronicle: "Here is part of a cipher the other 2 parts of this cipher are being mailed to the editors of the Vallejo Times and SF Examiner." 
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I also noticed that in his San Francisco Chronicle and San Francisco Examiner letters he wrote "I will cruse around killing people who are alone at night untill Sun Night or un till I kill a dozen people" and "I will cruse around all weekend killing lone people in the night then move on to kill again, until I end up with a dozen people over the weekend". In both instances the Zodiac Killer described his potential victims in the singular of "lone" and "alone" (which Paul Stine was}.

​When he wrote to the Vallejo Times-Herald he stated "
I will cruse around and pick of all stray people or coupples that are alone then move on to kill some more untill I have killed over a dozen people". In this instance he added the words "stray" and "couples" to his communication. Did this specific deviation of language show a greater familiarity with the area of Vallejo and where he might find his victims? In his first two attacks that he attributed to Vallejo, he shot two couples. However, he also chose to add the word "stray" into his language, to give the impression of a victim who is lost or distant. The word "stray" is often used as a verb to describe someone who wanders away from a path or area. 

If the Zodiac Killer was the owner of the driverless white Chevrolet Impala spotted by Robert Connelly & Frank Gasser at 9pm in the Lake Herman Road turnout. and later at 10pm by sheepherder Bingo Wesner, then it is not illogical to consider that its driver had vacated the vehicle and entered the surrounding fields on more than one occasion. 
Anybody reading the numerous Lake Herman Road newspaper articles would have been aware that one eyewitness reported seeing a second vehicle in the turnout with the Faraday Rambler, but nobody would have been aware of the empty Chevrolet Impala parked in the turnout at 9pm and 10pm on December 20th 1968, except each of the eyewitnesses that night, and probably the killer. If the occupant of this vehicle had traveled into the adjoining fields on two occasions, looking for victims, they would have required additional illumination such as a carry flashlight or gun-mounted flaslight.

PictureBingo George Wesner, in later years
​If this was the murderer's vehicle he would have known this. Therefore, the claims of the August 4th 1969 letter writer stating he used a pencil flashlight for extra illumination, is extremely noteworthy. Extra illumination would not have been required in the turnout when you have the use of headlights from your vehicle, along with the illumination from within each vehicle. Also, extra illumination would certainly not have been required if the murderer had kept the couple penned inside their vehicle. The only person that would have required additional illumination (either carried or gun-mounted) would have been somebody venturing into the fields surrounding the turnout. Such as the driver of the white Chevrolet Impala, who apparently never came forward. ​

There is a distinct possibility that this Chevrolet owner wrote the "Debut of Zodiac" letter, because this person had a viable reason to carry additional illumination as he distanced himself from his vehicle that night. Not once, but twice, on a freezing dark night in Benicia. Possibly an individual, who on July 31st 1969, would promote the idea of hunting humans in the wilderness because it was more fun than killing wild game in the forest.   

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Was the Zodiac Killer familiar with the area of Lake Herman Road, as his indignant rebuttal of police on August 4th 1969 may have suggested, when he wrote "In that epasode the police were wondering how I could shoot + hit my victims in the dark. They did not openly state this, but implied this by saying it was a well lit night + I could see silowets on the horizon. Bullshit that area is surrounded by high hills + trees".  

​Any previous experience of traveling this route could have presented him with a possible target in a rural setting, such as a "stray" person like sheepherder Bingo Wesner, whose routine would have been fairly regular. Having second thoughts of attacking Bingo Wesner in the field because of the presence of Robert Connelly & Frank Gasser armed with weapons, did the Zodiac Killer abandon his plans and later return for a third time, finding David Faraday & Betty Lou Jensen in the turnout? The Zodiac wrote on July 31st 1969 to the Vallejo Times-Herald that "I will cruse around and pick of all stray people or coupples that are alone". Having failed with the "stray" person on December 20th 1968, did he choose the couple?​

​​The reason I bring this up, is because of the possibility that the Zodiac Killer allowed details of his life and experiences to subconsciously leak into his letters. Why did he insert the word "stray" into his language when "couples" and "alone" (or even "lone") would have sufficed in his Vallejo Times-Herald letter? The word "stray" gives the impression of a person who is off the beaten track. Sheepherding is one of the oldest occupations in the world. Shepherds are often required to work long hours, live independently in isolated areas, and be able to perform tasks without close supervision. ​The very nature of their job is locating and herding "stray" sheep into the flock. If the Zodiac Killer had initially targeted sheepherder Bingo Wesner that night, did his knowledge of this cause the word "stray" to subconsciously drop into his letter when referring to victims he identified as targets? "Stray people" such as Bingo Wesner, who tended to "stray sheep" away from the beaten track.

Rubislaw32 link
1/28/2025 02:24:46 pm

July 31st 1969: The Zodiac, in writing to the SF Chronicle and SF Examiner, refers to the ''Vallejo Times''. And not its full title: ''Vallejo Times-Herald.

However, in addressing his envelope to the Vallejo Times-Herald, the Zodiac does include ''Herald''.

But ''hang on a minute'' - hasn't the Zodiac actually written ''Herold'' ?

It's difficult to tell.

The point being, did the Zodiac always employ ''Herold'' instead of the correct ''Herald'' ? And seen most starkly on the 1990 Celebrity Cipher postcard.

Rubislaw32 link
1/28/2025 02:51:35 pm

Ah... the October 27th 1987 envelope addressed to the Vallejo Times-Herald is....out of focus.

How convenient ?

Richard
1/28/2025 03:36:13 pm

I believe they were all "Herold". Three times of writing to the VTH and all misspelled. Can't prove that the 1987 envelope reads "Herold", but I would bet a large sum of money it does. If the 1987 author was a copycat he would have used Vallejo Times on the envelope to mimic what was written in the July 31st 1969 letters, but he didn't. Makes you wonder eh Rubi.

Rubislaw32 link
1/28/2025 04:33:49 pm

Yes, Richard - I think all three (1969,1987, 1990) are ''Herold''.

Rubislaw32 link
1/28/2025 10:13:42 pm

So Richard - with regard to this ''out of focus'' 1987 envelope:

In 1987, the cost of sending an average letter, within the boundaries of the United States, was 22 cents.

''And yet'' the 1987 envelope looks to have six stamps employed, including two ''flag over Capitol Hill - 22 cents'' stamps.

So - that's a minimum of 44 cents which the Zodiac has employed - and may be more total cost, if the other four ''stamps'' aren't just stickers.

Is it possible that the Zodiac was sending that 1987 letter from overseas ?

Rubislaw32 link
1/28/2025 10:22:09 pm

Well yes - it had occurred to me that the Zodiac was employing, nevertheless, US sovereignty postage stamps. But, we already know he is spending at least double what he should be, for an average letter.

Another ''solution'' might be that the Zodiac was sending a bit more than just the 1987 letter, with ''Halloween'' and ''Death Machine'' references.

Rubislaw32 link
1/28/2025 10:31:09 pm

Ah...extract from 1987 letter :

''Tell Tochi (sic) my new plans.''.

So, maybe the Zodiac's ''new plans'' constitute the ''extra'' - causing the postal costs to rise above average ?

Rich
1/29/2025 01:13:41 am

It's also pertinent that the two most heavily overstamped communications in the Zodiac mailings were the July 31st 1969 VTH envelope and 1987 letter to the VTH. In both cases, these letters were accompanied by another letter to the San Francisco Chronicle. I don't waste my time attempting to convince others that both the 1980s letters are genuine, because once people have fixed the notion of the widely accepted letters from July 31st 1969 to January 29th 1974 being the genuine ones and everything beyond is fake, there is little you can do to change anyone's mind. As I've said a million times Rubi, I can give copious amounts of reasons and evidence why such later letters are genuine but it's never enough. However, these same standards are never required of the letters from 1969 to 1974. Often people just accept them but don't know why. What is amazing to me is the logic that people still think that analyzing the "tone" of a letter is a good indicator of authenticity. This is no indicator whatsoever because if the Melvin Belli letter had been mailed in 1987 without a shirt piece, the overwhelming majority would be calling it a hoax. People approach "genuine" letters with the attitude of "I'm going to find a reason why the tone is that of the Zodiac", however when they look at the 1986 and 1987 letters, which fall beyond the arbitarily authenticated list, they approach with an attitude of "I know that the tone of these letters is not going to be Zodiac". People are absolutely entitled to believe whatever they want about any letter, but if their research into that letter doesn't extend beyond looking at it and having a feeling about its tone, then it's not an opinion that I care about. Proper deep dives into these letters, knowing the arguments for and against ones argument, is the only true way to come to an educated conclusion. I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but deciding on a communication's authenticity by its "tone" is lazy thinking.

Richard
1/29/2025 01:20:53 am

As an example, ask anybody for 5 to 10 reasons why the April 20th 1970 or March 13th 1971 letters are genuine beyond the reasoning of "handwriting and tone". And wait for the crickets.

Richard
1/29/2025 01:40:25 am

The best example of illogical thinking is people believing the SLA letter is genuine by simply looking at it. The letter is extremely brief, totally dedicated to the topic of the Symbionese Liberation Army, it has no "This is the Zodiac speaking" introduction, no mention of Zodiac, no crosshairs, no spelling mistakes, no running victim count and has an envelope address never before used by Zodiac. The real Symbionese Liberation Army send a letter to the Bay Area just 7 days later beginning with "Dear" and ending with "A friend", yet all this adds up to this being a Zodiac letter. At the very least, as you have speculated, Zodiac didn't send either the February 3rd or February 10th letters, or he wrote both. But now we have to prove that the February 10th 1974 letter was certainly Zodiac to authenticate the February 3rd 1974 letter. We can have feelings and thoughts on the February 10th 1974 typed letter being Zodiac, but we have no unequivocal proof that he mailed either.

Richard
1/29/2025 02:12:44 am

One final thing Rubi, remember the famous quotes of "esteemed Zodiac researchers" who argue that original source documentation of police reports and FBI files are the best source of information, culminating in "Just the Facts" appearing in book form. However, when you present these esteemed Zodiac researchers with the very first two original source documentation entries on the SLA letter who looked at the postcode with their very two eyes and recorded it as February 3rd 1974, individuals such as Voigt refuse to accept this, and wilfully and knowingly continues to pedal the lie of a February 14th 1974 posting date. His ego of a climb down from this lie is too great to now tell the truth. He knows he is wrong, but his unwillingness to accept this is testament to somebody whose ego overrides fact. I hazard a guess that 90% of the people on his forum live this lie through him, just like they follow his lies on the DNA claims he has made. The fiction of February 14th 1974 will live long, because people rarely question the "leader".

Rubislaw32 link
1/29/2025 05:48:01 am

Well ''yes'' to pretty much all you say, Richard.

My rule of thumb now is '' Be wary of the fibber, who once belonged to Intelligence processors for the Zodiac case, the FBI. More particularly their Cryptanalysis & Racketeering Unit.''.

All will be revealed, if there is a resolution to this case. But what are the chances ?

My opinion, anyway, is a 50% chance of a Zodiac case resolution in the next 3 months. If it doesn't happen - then the chances start nosediving to zero, quite rapidly.

I await the brickbats hurled.....

EdEdwardsCiphers link
1/29/2025 12:43:32 pm

Dearest Richard,

About the SLA letter.

First I must commend you on giving voice to a thought I myself had, about tone and other idiosyncrasies that can be extracted from letters like the SLA one. I'm in agreement with what I think was the general thrust behind your thought. But I have some feelings on it that are a bit complicated.

Time may help me to sort that out a bit and explain it.

I won't go too long about it here, but I've mentioned before, that some of the concepts that you touch on, have a basis in cryptology. At least what little I've been able to learn about it on my own.

I happen to believe the SLA is an authentic letter. That is my own unprofessional and unqualified opinion. As I'm not a Questioned Document Examiner.

When I say authentic, I don't mean it in a general way. I mean it in a cryptographic sense.

Forgive my brevity--or lack thereof. Authentication and identification are actually a thing in modern cryptography. For example, for me to be able to log on to this website, I can choose an identity (EdEdwardsCiphers) but there may not be a mechanism to authenticate me, so I could also not be EdEdwardsCiphers.

In fact I could be someone else that assumed the identity of EdEdwardsCiphers and post using my name. (These are longer conversations that I hope to expand on in other forums)

My point is here, these logic exercises, or statements that someone may make in passing, actually have roots in the basis' of cryptography.

My guess is that someone who thinks in this way (cryptographically), might think about problems requiring these items (Identity+Authentication) differently than most people.

That's a long way of me saying, I believe that the SLA letter is an authentic Zodiac communication, because I believe there is an authentication method built into that specific letter. I also believe the letter contains a devastating clew, which is furtherance of authentication or identity from its creator.

If I don't have a video on that letter. I hope to sometime in the future.

This letter, although created way back in the time of the other Zodiac communiques, has both a vague hint of something that is described much later on -- decades later, from another source.

It also contains what I'm terribly surprised to not see any other Zodiac Researcher follow through on -- Old Norse. Which I found to be an odd statement.

As you yourself have mentioned, at one point you ran into a dead end in believing that Runes have any traction in the Zodiac case.

Was the mention of Old Norse any relevance to you and your thinking for connection of Runes in this case? Did you also come across Runes that are used in any type of hidden communications? Did you come across a class of Runes called Cipher Runes per chance?

I found that clew of "Old Norse" to be an extraordinary "confession" by someone, anyone really. But specifically someone connected to the Zodiac case.

It has served me tremendously in my own research as a clew. But as mentioned, I may have terrible logical errors in my premise of suspect, and in my thinking.

Time hopefully will tell.

EdEdwardsCiphers
2/3/2025 07:01:53 am

Dearest Rubi,

What have you against the powerful resources of the FBI and it's CRU division?

Have you been stymied by their internal politics? What say you?

Rubislaw32 link
2/3/2025 10:13:23 am

It's an entirely pertinent question, EdEdwardsCiphers - and I make my views transparent at zodiackiller.freeforums.net.

It's only that I don't choose to make those views clear, here at Richard's site - since I believe it unfair to ''travel with my dirty laundry'', too much.

Here is more of a haven for seeking the Zodiac truths, by consensus, if you will - and all credit to Richard for a platform offered.

My gripes are against FBI, US DOJ, Scottish Crown and MA DOJ, in particular. It's known as ''conflicts of interest'' in legal-speak. In effect, that the Zodiac case is being willfully and knowingly damaged, at the expense of the Pan Am Lockerbie case.

Rubislaw32 link
1/29/2025 06:15:57 am

Your comments ought not to offend anyone who thinks rationally, and I for one, agree with their principle.

The problem seems to often lie in followers who plump for a specific pet suspect, before they have really grasped the fullness of the case. Then, find that they are doing a lot of ''backtracking'' and having to ''defend'' a position.

Hilarious.

Rubislaw32 link
1/29/2025 06:22:03 am

That, to the ''Rich'' comments.

Whatever happened to A J Wilkes ?

He was a meticulous presenter - as good as there has ever been.

But, the problem was, that the Unabomber wasn't the Zodiac.

However much some wanted him to be.

Rubislaw32 link
1/29/2025 06:50:17 am

I was a fan of A J Wilkes, because he was genuine. And when it became apparent that Ted K wasn't Zodiac, he appeared to take his leave, gracefully.

It's the disinformation perpetuators - who ''plain stink''.

When Det Terry Poyser announced the ''2 envelopes & a secret lab'' myth to the world - the VPD read out an official statement, just four days later, refuting the suggestion, and that they VPD were not involved.

But, The Benicia Herald coverage of this - barely saw the light of day. How could ''2 envelopes & a secret lab'' have been a myth ? No one seemed interested.

Many followers were delighted with the ''2 envelopes & a secret lab'' nonsense, because it meant their ''already dodgy suspect'' was back in the mix, and on an equal footing with everyone else's pet suspect.

And, one wonders why the reputation of the Zodiac internet has been tarnished, as such, in recent years (?). Well - when we find ''old stalwarts'' like Voigt, coming out with: '' It's OK everyone - I haven't actually broken the law.'' - is it any wonder ?

EdEdwardsCiphers
1/29/2025 11:55:56 am

Guilty as charged I'm afraid Rubi. Guilty, as, charged.

Rubislaw32 link
1/29/2025 03:22:07 pm

Just the facts ? ''Sources'' that are always ''Excellent''. But, no one else has a clue as from where they emanate. For 6 years now, a claimed authority on Vallejo PD's forensics evidence.

''2 envelopes & secret lab'' - apparently lives on.

Rubislaw32 link
1/30/2025 08:29:08 am

As comes to mind:

What I remember most about my participation at the Reddit Zodiac sub, apart from being suspended three times and banned for life is :

The time I confronted Voigt, who at the time was impersonating me, using a ''glove puppet'' posting name '' Rubislaw32 ''.

Perhaps he thought it his ''entitlement'' (?) - and after all, he wasn't ''breaking the law''. Clearly he thought it clever to get in there, and steal my posting name, before I used it myself.

And it is this sort of conduct which sees him prioritize other considerations than the Zodiac, and often causes friction.

Rubislaw32 link
2/2/2025 04:06:28 am

I've never had a ''personal'' problem with the Reddit Zodiac sub. Last year someone (not the doc) invited me back. I just don't have the inclination any more. Some know me as having been a regular contributor to the 13-month lifetime of ''Tom Voigt cucked'' - which succeeded in large part, to exposing Voigt ''warts and all''. One of the most successful topics was ''Is Voigt just a poor man's version of the Zodiac himself ?''. All the trouble, but without the ''killing bit''.

Voigt still seems to have sleepless nights over Reddit. I see it as a ''joyous'' phenomenon, where anyone can contribute, whether they be experienced Zodiac followers, or beginners. ''The Zodiac case goes 10-pin bowling'', if you will. And now, they have a ''first'' with the discovery of the second skeleton & pumpkin on the Halloween card. Bravo, and good on them.

I do have ''bad previous'' with ex-SF Chronicle crime reporter Kevin Fagan. Still ''unfinished business'', unfortunately - and I don't believe he is ''out of the woods'' yet, despite ''apparently'' retiring. That he has left the Zodiac scene, is a good thing, I believe, but shan't dwell on it anymore - until there is a resolution to the case. And, I believe CA DOJ share my thoughts on this matter.

But, what was an amusing highlight of last year was, Mr Fagan effectively ''accuse'' 70 million daily Reddit users of being ''sincere''. An insult like no other - and must have contributed to him being fired by his Hearst bosses.

What a hoot.

EdEdwardsCiphers
2/3/2025 06:43:56 am

Dearest Richard,

Having re-read your original post for this thread, I must wholeheartedly agree with your position. At least more than I was initially. The thrust and approach of your statement I feel is correct.

As is usually the case for me, because of how I now "process" certain things in the case ie. "Thinking in systems". I like your take here

"if their research into that letter doesn't extend beyond looking at it and having a feeling about its tone, then it's not an opinion that I care about. Proper deep dives into these letters, knowing the arguments for and against ones argument, is the only true way to come to an educated conclusion."

My attempt at this, is from what I feel is a unique position. And I hope that it will eventually be seen by some, if not many as such a deep dive as you state. Admittedly it may take time though.

Again, I'll try to be brief (Good luck), just because as I mentioned previously, my next task will be to create illustrative videos to explain and demonstrate certain concepts. Concepts that I don't believe others come prepared with to the case, specifically the letters, and communique's sent in this case. One might call them cryptology concepts, which to me is baffling that this has been something missing and would to me seem so obvious. But I digress.

While at some point I may have to write it all down, I've noticed that when I try to explain some of these things, people get lost. I've taken to understanding that this is my very own unique take on things, which has reinforced for me, that my background and panoply of mixed experiences, gives me a unique view into this thing.

It will be a whole 'nother story to explain it, but suffice it to say, I've said it before that I'm very different than most people within this community.

I don't want to be here. I didn't want to be involved in any of this. And I find a large section of all of it, distasteful.

EdEdwardsCiphers
2/3/2025 06:58:57 am

(Cont)

But the point I was getting to, was about the concept of "Authentication"


Authentication as it pertains to this case, can usually be ascribed to things like the document examiner. Sherwood Morrill I believe was his name. Sherwood was to function as an "Authenticator" of those communications that the Police would use to verify that letters and other things sent by the killer, was actually from the Zodiac.

Another way to think of it, is that Sherwood was the ultimate arbiter of saying "You are, who you say you are", to the Zodiac. Theoretically that is.

This type of "Authentication" is a concept that is very old, and is intrinsic to Cryptology. As it applies to this case, cryptography, with the "graphy" being the writing -- the graph.

Someone who is familiar with these concepts. Someone who like the Zodiac, showed an adeptness for cryptography (in creating something like the cryptograms), may have been familiar with this concept. Either through exposure to it, and then ultimately by an innate process that comes from encrypting, and enciphering quite a lot.

The nature of the encryption scheme, means that once the key is decoded, and the cipher decrypted, it has been authenticated through the function that decodes it. It was sent by only one person who would have encoded it, and as such has "signed" it. With a key.

This function of the "decryption" requires a reverse engineering that could be labeled as a "function". This function could go forward or backwards as a process. Meaning one can encrypt one way, which is easy, and then decrypt the other way, which is easy with the "key", but is hard without it.

One can make a "key" that is easy to break, like with what happened with the Hardens. Or is hard to break, like the one that came after and then took 50 years to break.

One function was easy and the other was much, much harder.

But, what could constitute this "function"? What could constitute this "key". That is the question. That is one of the many questions.

I'm hopeful we may soon have some kind of an answer. I'm hoping that someone, possibly even me, may have some kind of a clew.

You never know, among us in the community, there could be another set of Hardens. Of course let's hope it's the kind that were not themselves the Zodiac Killers.

I know that's a theory out there too ;-)

Richard
1/29/2025 07:55:55 pm

The only relevance I found in "Old Norse" Ed was that a female Symbionese Liberation Army activist had a mother and father who were of Norwegian Ancestry and the letter was mailed from the location her parents lived.

I obviously can't argue against hidden meanings of a cryptographic nature in the letter that I'm not privy to, and will leave that for you Ed to present in your videos in the wider context. In more general terms, I would challenge anybody to present to a jury of independent people (consisting of 12) the following two arguments:

[1] They have to present the February 3rd 1974 letter to said jury and show visibly that this letter was from "Zodiac" (or their suspect) and/or contained a hidden meaning, that must rely on the jury interpreting the meaning behind the letter the same as the person presenting the argument. In other words, the jury have to come to the same conclusion on something that's not immediately visible.

[2] Then I present the jury with the SLA letter exclusively about the Symbionese Liberation Army, which was unreleased to the public in 1974, which began with "Dear" and ended with "a friend". Seven days later another letter arrived all about the Symbionese Liberation Army, also beginning with "Dear" and ending with "a friend". I claim that the second letter on February 10th 1974 with a visible "Symbionese Liberation Army" connection, "Dear" as an introduction, and "A friend" as a signature was likely mailed by the same individual as the first letter on February 3rd 1974. The second letter, not being from Zodiac, I claim is a good argument for the first letter not being from Zodiac.

I present argument [1] with no Zodiac reference but with my interpretation of the letter's hidden meanings that are not overtly visible. Then I present argument [2] with two letters pertinent to the Symbionese Liberation Army in content, with visible references, and with an introduction and signature identical in nature, with neither communications having been released publicly. One presentation is visible and tangible, and the other presentation is invisible and reliant on the jury accepting the hidden meaning in the letter as presented by the claimant. A presentation that relies on the jury buying the interpretation.

Which will the jury believe as most likely, [1] or [2]?

EdEdwardsCiphers
1/30/2025 02:05:31 pm

Sir Richard,

When you put it like that, I pretty much have to agree, a rational person doesn't have much choice.

Good thing our community doesn't have a lot of rational thinkers? You may have to put me in with that bunch I guess.

;-)

Richard
1/30/2025 03:37:15 pm

I'll watch your video when it's up Ed. You can prove me wrong. The above [2] argument would likely be picked if presented to neutral observers because the reasoning is immediately visble, but if there is something deeper you have found I will certainly give your video a click. Link it at this site when it's available.

EdEdwardsCiphers
1/31/2025 06:04:36 am

Dearest Richard,

My previous response was shortened from a longer more verbose offering. I lacked the strength and earnestness to complete it.

But Alas, I did so find your treatise entertaining and logically strong.

I did have some rebuttals, but found it unnecessary to present them, as I do so like you, respect you and respect your site.

Here were a few of the points I intended to make:

1. False or binary choice
2. The concept of "escape"
3. Incremental or "additive" work

I thought better of posting any of it, as it opens a hornet's nest that I'm sadly not prepared at the moment to defend as a position.

As for my videos, the timeline fluctuates as to if/when any new ones would be ready. As you of all people know, this is a thankless task and does consume resources and time.

I've set an arbitrary and capricious timeline for myself for new videos, in hopes of motivating myself to get them done. But I sometimes collapse back on my laurels with the false assumption that I'm so far ahead of anyone else, that I don't need to rush. (I see you Shakedog).

But hopefully sometime this year. But who knows, maybe I'll present the ravings of a madman, or maybe I won't present a strong enough case? Or maybe a Jury of my peers won't convict me of deducing my way out of a wet paper bag?

We'll have to wait and see.

Rubislaw32 link
1/31/2025 02:10:33 am

For what it is worth (or not), Richard, I share your reservations about the 1974 SLA letter. To my mind, it seems to represent ''tokenism'', by the powers that be. A recognition, perhaps, that the Zodiac did become involved in hoaxing letters surrounding the emergence of the SLA, and more particularly the kidnapping of Hearst heiress Patty Hearst. But, that they are unable to pin the Zodiac down to specific letters.

In addition to Randolph Hearst (Patty's father), wife and Regent of Berkeley University, Catherine (Patty's mother), and Patty's three sisters - I believe that the Zodiac also menaced Randolph's terrorist advisor and psychiatrist, Dr Frederick Hacker, whose home practice was in Los Angeles.

This is a favored candidate letter I found in the HEARNAP files. Mailed from Truro, Nova Scotia in August 1974, to a New York radio station. I believe that the Zodiac was ''retrieving himself'' from a visit to the Money Pit at Oak Island, at that time. Where was the Zodiac now heading ? I believe Boston MA.

PAT HEURST IS ALIVE AND WELL IN SAN JOSE, CALIF.
MR HEURST MUST NOT WORRY.
SHE IS ALRIGHT, SHE HAS MADE UP HER MIND.
YES SHE HAS.
SIGNED MR X
FOR THE S.L.A.

Superb.

Rubislaw32 link
1/31/2025 02:36:28 am

1) A Rich Man aka D B Cooper, from Jacksonville, FL, March 28th 1972:

''I am not dead, but really alive...''

2) The Zodiac, from Albany NY, August 1st 1973:

''I am not dead or in hospital. I am alive and well.''

3) Mr X, from Truro, Nova Scotia, August 9th 1974:

''Pat Heurst is alive and well in San Jose, Calif.''

Richard
1/31/2025 02:46:27 am

What file and page can this letter be found Rubi?

Richard
1/31/2025 02:50:05 am

1) A Rich Man aka D B Cooper, from Jacksonville, FL, March 28th 1972:

''I am not dead, but really alive...''

2) The Zodiac, from Albany NY, August 1st 1973:

''I am not dead or in hospital. I am alive and well.''

3) Mr X, from Truro, Nova Scotia, August 9th 1974:

''Pat Heurst is alive and well in San Jose, Calif.''

4) The 2001 Happy New Year card.

"You thought I was dead. No way!"

Rubislaw32 link
1/31/2025 03:32:19 am

Yes, Richard:

HEARNAP FBI File 19, Pages 905 - 908.

For ''handwriting buffs'' - the '' X '' of ''MR X'' is a slam dunk Zodiac one.

Rubislaw32 link
1/31/2025 03:44:11 am

...oh, and two ''candlestick i's'' - even though capital alphabetic letters, throughout the message.

Richard
1/31/2025 03:54:29 am

Cheers Rubi.

Rubislaw32 link
1/31/2025 04:29:39 am

Oh - I see now that the Truro letter's postmark is August 29th 1974.

The ordeal of Patty's kidnapping appears to have placed a strain on her parent's marriage, and they were later to separate and divorce.

Catherine in private, believed that it was she, more than her husband Randolph, who was targeted by the SLA - manifesting itself in her daughter's abduction.

Catherine as a Regent of Berkeley University, was seen as the person most responsible for the dismissal of civil rights campaigner and University lecturer Angela Davies - for giving communist-imbued speeches on campus.

Catherine was an experienced Education academic, and well-known personal advisor to Ronald Reagan.

Rubislaw32 link
1/31/2025 04:53:31 am

Talk about mischief ?

From the typed Feb 10th 1974 ''SLA'' letter, Dear Hearst Family from A Friend:

''I am white, and I am sorry.....don't let her (Patty) marry that Weed man (Patty's boyfrend, lecturer Stephen Weed)....he got his ideas from Angela Davis, who gives orders and ideas to our brass.''.

Angela Davis never had any known links to the SLA.

Rubislaw32 link
1/31/2025 05:50:42 am

With the concept and phenomenon of civil rights, it really came down to those who strove to remain law-abiding - and those that were willing to break the law. Sometimes out of necessity, since where else were they going to find funds to further their cause ? (e.g. Bank robbery and ransom-related crime).

It was ''die-hard'' small-time but obsessive individuals like the Zodiac, who sought to exploit every possible angle - hobbyists with an axe to grind. Attention-seekers, with no other outlet to show-off.

I suspect the Zodiac is responsible for both ''A friend'' and ''Mr X''. Two seemingly different people, but a commonality of purpose.

EdEdwardsCiphers
2/1/2025 07:41:03 pm

Rubi,

I was curious to ask you this question directly that I posted above.

Do you not find it curious, that the SLA letter, contains a section that seems to be "translating" between 2 different systems?

Transliteration? Transcoding? Transcribing? Translating?

Did you find it curious that the letter referenced something it called "Old Norse?" Did anyone ever look up or do any research on if "Old Norse" is a thing? Or a language?

Did that come up as a thing that you looked into?

I'm curious.

Rubislaw32 link
2/2/2025 12:04:12 am

Well - No 1, EdEdwardsCiphers - the Zodiac was clearly a curious guy, and did a lot of reading.

If one examines the hoaxers/obsessive small-time extortionists of the time (FBI Vaults): If a big story broke, like the kidnapping of Patty Hearst, the first thing they would do is check out any background information at a library. So, they would appear to come across, at least in their own minds, as experts. It was, after all, a ''showing-off'' exercise of a sort. And, if their correspondences wasted police time - all the better. Attention through any means.

If the correspondence is or is not the Zodiac - it's a showing-off ploy.

My private suspicions though, are that the Zodiac had acquired a girlfriend or wife with a Norse/ Scandinavian background, and was beginning to learn and absorb aspects of her culture.

Rubislaw32 link
2/2/2025 01:37:22 am

In Victorian times, it became fashionable to bury time-capsules. Such things as strange objects that, when eventually discovered, might baffle so-called experts.

As an observation of this practice, one is thinking: ''But if their time-capsule was discovered after their death, how would they ever know about the stir it has caused ? So - what would be the point of it ?

In the Rev Billy Graham files, there was evidence of ''someone'' who kept filling in FOI forms incorrectly, and generally badgering authorities about publishing information on Graham. Possibly the Zodiac (?). At least someone who had made a ''nefarious'' investment in work which he hoped to see again, in the context of any trouble it might have caused.

The Zodiac's hoaxing and extortion habits were probably that extensive, time-wise, that I'd be confident that he has lived to see a fair amount of it emerge again - particularly in the FBI's vaults.

EdEdwardsCiphers
1/31/2025 05:56:04 am

Dearest Rubi,

For those like me that may not be up to speed, what are candlestick "i's", and what do they possibly mean or show to us -- the laypeople?

Rubislaw32 link
1/31/2025 06:13:42 am

Well, EdEdwardsCiphers - and bearing in mind that my opinion isn't the only one:

The capital '' I's'' that look like lit candles.

Two possible reasons:

1) Just a quirky and eccentric habit of the Zodiac.

2) He was a bit into ''The Butcher, The Baker, and The Candlestick- maker'' thing. The Zodiac became a ''butcher'' of people eventually. He seemed to get quite excited over a ''Baker's Dozen'' - anything to do with 13. 13 stars in the Southern Cross, 13 states of the confederacy. One big thirteenth - possibly the 13-day siege of The Alamo. 13 holes - possible 13 big dots, that when joined, form a radio wave. 13 victims...etc.

And, The Candlestick-maker....out of capital '' i's ''.

I believe he had placed his (imaginary) bomb at Candlestick Park - but that is just a personal opinion.

Rubislaw32 link
1/31/2025 08:32:30 am

More than likely - more than meets the eye:

Turn one of the Zodiac's ''candlesticks'' upside down, and we see an exclamation mark - and he liked using those.

Exclamation marks like a ''lit rocket'' ?

It was the culmination of the Space Race, with the first men on the moon shortly after Darlene's murder.

The Zodiac talked about ''control'' - Mission Control, Houston - or a form of control from Mission Street (?), where he sent most of his letters, expecting they would be published.

Rubislaw32 link
1/31/2025 03:42:35 pm

Just leaving this as a reference, EdEdwardsCiphers.

James Hook's (1746-1827) Christmas Box of musical rhymes:

Rub-a-dub-dub

Rub-a-dud-dub
Three men in a tub
The butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker
And all of them out to sea

EdEdwardsCiphers
2/1/2025 07:34:05 pm

Tx Rubi.

I'm very interested in any new interpretation of the calligraphic choices that the Zodiac chose to use.

This is the first I'm hearing about any other type of flourish than the "candy cane f's" -- Which I finally have an idea about, and do believe there is a narrative that they fit into.

So hearing about something similar (you're candlesticks theory) I was very interested to see if it also fits into that narrative and was something that I missed or could use to set me on the right direction.

Much appreciated.

Richard link
2/2/2025 02:08:01 am

Sla in Old Norse can be inferred as "kill", to which the author of this communication claimed. Sla in Old Norse means "to strike" or "to smite". The archaic use of the word "smite" as shown by the Merriam-Webster dictionary, defines "smite" as to kill or severely injure. In Wiktionary it is shown as the ability to strike down or kill with deadly force. So (in archaic usage like Old Norse) "sla" means "smite", and "smite" is used as "kill". Here is a PDF of Old Norse from York University, compiled by Ross G. Arthur.

https://www.yorku.ca/inpar/language/English-Old_Norse.pdf

EdEdwardsCiphers link
2/2/2025 03:42:05 pm

Dearest Richard,

Many thanks for the resource link. I'll add it to my collection of files on Old Norse. I happen to have quite a large collection growing.

I find that there are other resources that speak more directly to a linguistic system and lead me to more tantalizing possibilities . For ex: https://www.omniglot.com/writing/oldnorse.htm Provides a bit more detail into Old Norse, and what it really connects to -- Runes.

But Alas, we already had a discussion about Runes, and where the trail with it may end.

But I have to wonder, if I backed into a system of Rune usage (as a find), when others such as yourself and other researchers stumbled into it from the front, I wonder if there's any common ground on which those two points might intersect?

Meaning if someone is investigating an angle, and found a possible use of Runes as some kind of communication, only to find others, such as yourself in this wonderful community, who suspected Runes at first, but ran out of luck and patience. Why I wonder if it would just be luck that the two would run into each other. It could be a coincidence, or possibly even worse -- a non event being interpreted as an event by someone with less than the requisite skill. Entirely possible.

We'll never know of course, unless the killer confesses. But that won't stop me from putting forth a less than solid hypothesis of something that I, without professional training or a proper education in anything of the sort, believe to be something relevant.

A person can dream can't they? ;-)
(No Zodiacs were harmed in the typing of this internet post)


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