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GRABBED HER AROUND THE NECK (TWICE)

10/10/2024

 
PicturePress-Enterprise newspaper, April 30th 1967
It is clear that the author of the three Bates' letters on April 30th 1967 parroted the words used by Jack Matthews, the Staff Writer of the Press-Enterprise newspaper. On the same day the three threatening letters arrived (one to the Press-Enterprise), he wrote an extensive article about the murder of Cheri Jo Bates and the content in the confession letter, stating "The letter told of how Cheri struggled while she was being stabbed to death and the writer said there would be more killings to come". The author of the Bates' letters mimicked this wording by writing "Bates had to die, there will be more" (see foot of article).

​The author of the confession letter used the same mimicry on November 29th 1966 by taking phrases and inspiration from the Press-Enterprise newspaper on November 24th 1966 (see below). This newspaper article was about a 19-year-old woman who was offered a ride in a man's car and then attacked, just like the claims in the confession letter five days later. The newspaper article stated that the man "grabbed her around the neck". The confession letter author typed "I grabbed her around the neck with my hand over her mouth". The newspaper article stated "I could just hit you in the head with this piece of wood". The confession letter author typed "She let out a scream once and I kicked her in the head to shut her up". The assailant mentioned in the newspaper stated "I'm not Jack the Ripper". The confession letter author typed "But I shall cut off her female parts and deposit them for the whole city to see". At one point the assailant offered to "take her home", with the confession letter author typing he "would give her a lift home". The author of both the Bates' letters and confession letters borrowed phrases from a recently published newspaper article in the Press-Enterprise, and summarily addressed two of these offerings to the same newspaper..The menacing letters came in duplicate on November 29th 1966 and in triplicate on April 30th 1967. The methodology of both authors was extremely similar. The strange signature on two of the Bates' letters followed the wording "There will be more". The author was implying more victims?

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​The murder of Cheri Jo Bates (18) and the attack on the 19-year-old woman happened 2 1/2 miles from each other. The man who picked up the woman on Linden Street on November 22nd 1966, had initially given her a lift in his car three weeks earlier. This would have been approximately November 1st 1966, one day after the body of Cheri Jo Bates was found murdered in the driveway alongside Terracina Drive. He was described as 35 years old, 5-foot 9-inches, with a "chunky protruding stomach". I wonder what he looked like on October 11th 1969?
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JIbberjabber
10/10/2024 01:07:42 pm

That is a strange one for sure the attempted kidnapping, also the article says the girl had accepted a ride from him 3 weeks earlier - which would be less than a week after the Cheri Jo Bates attack??
24th November was a Thursday, so Tuesday would be the 22nd. Backtrack 3 weeks and that is the 1st or 2nd Nov, literally 2 or 3 days after Cheri Jo is killed.

Odd that he said he was not Jack the Ripper, you have to wonder why he had the ripper on his mind. If that was the killer of Bates / author of the confession letter then he is also referencing another killer who seems to have communicated with the press.

some other things - 2 hours captive is similar to the story Kathleen Johns alleges, also maybe would explain (some of ) the missing time between Cheri Jo Bates leaving the library and being stabbed at 10:30 approx the time the screams were heard.

this abdducter posed a question to his victim" shall I kill you now?" which is a bit like the confession letter writes he posed a question " I think it is about time". Strange flow of words

I am trying to get into the head of this man. if he was making advances to this girl on the second occasion he picked her up, then why not the first time also. Why did it seem his juices were flowing stronger by 22nd Nov than around the 1st or 2nd Nov. Were his desires still feeling satisfied by the start of Nov?

Richard link
10/10/2024 02:02:07 pm

The 2 hours is interesting Jibber because of Cheri's presumed absence from shortly after 6pm to 10:30pm. Yes, the first ride would have been around November 1st 1966. Approximately 3 weeks could have been before Cheri's murder and maybe he got cold feet the first time. This man must have had a particular interest in the November 24th 1966 article written about him, so did he copy the phrases from this article to create the confession letter, or did somebody else create it? Did he murder Cheri Jo Bates? And bearing in mind the similar language between the poem, confession letter and Bates' letters, was he the author of all three. If the petechiae on Cheri's forehead at autopsy was due to grabbing her around the neck (not mentioned in newspapers), then the Confession letter author may have been responsible for choking both women, or just parroted the November 24th 1966 newspaper and got lucky that Cheri did show signs of strangulation for a time.

On November 10th the newspapers reported that Mercury lights had been installed down the alley to better protect women. Did the confession letter author know this? Because after the November 13th reconstruction at the library, when all students were told to reconvene and park in the same spots and sit in the same seats, the police discovered that an oxidized Studebaker was spotted not far from the alley on Riverside Avenue about 7pm. When the confession letter began he speculated about his next victim and typed "maybe she will be the beautiful blond that babysits near the little store and walks down the dark alley each evening about seven". Why on earth would the author give a specific time. If he had read that the police were looking for a Studebaker parked close to the crime scene at 7pm, by typing that his next victim may be walking down the murder alley, or one close to it about 7pm, was he trying to link the Studebaker and next victim together, trying to suggest that this was his vehicle. Both the newspapers and confession letter used "about 7pm". Click my name above.

Whatever you do Jibberjabber, don't get into his head too much.

Richard
10/10/2024 02:12:22 pm

There must have been a little store somewhere close to the alley where Cheri was murdered. Otherwise, pointing out this detail wouldn't have meant anything to police. To get them worried, he had to have known a real "little store" close by.

Richard link
10/10/2024 03:10:28 pm

Voigt identified a little store at 5410 Magnolia Ave, at the intersection of Bandini Ave. It is about 271 metres from the southern edge of Riverside Ave, the street where the Studebaker was parked along. Click my name.

Johnny
10/10/2024 01:37:18 pm

It might be true considering references to the letters, but it feels this very well could be a female fantasy when i read the article about the young girl. Maybe she herself was the letter writer.

Richard
10/10/2024 02:05:48 pm

I did consider a female author years ago Johnny based upon the feminine language at the beginning of the confession letter. The author could have been jealous and angry towards beautiful women. But if the confession letter author was the killer, I highly doubt it.

Jibberjabber
10/10/2024 02:15:04 pm

I agree Johnny there are some fantastical elements to it. There is some interesting similarities to the whole Bates killing, but can we believe it?? It sounds fishy but for now I am prepared to believe this, it would be interesting to know what other info they got from the girl.

JIbberjabber
10/10/2024 02:13:11 pm

"well after all, I'm not Jack the Ripper"

"Oh well, it was red anyway"

Johnny
10/10/2024 02:16:07 pm

It so convoluted and that she got into the car again with this madman, i don't know....

Richard
10/10/2024 02:26:10 pm

Young and naive, just like Kathleen Johns pulling over on a deserted highway when some random man signals her to pull over (if you believe her). Young people do stupid things, they would never do later in life. The other option is as you described.

Richard
10/10/2024 02:30:31 pm

Why didn't we get a newspaper photo-fit of her attacker. That surely was possible after spending at least 2 hours and a previous time with this man.

Richard Grinell
10/10/2024 02:36:46 pm

So was the confession letter author blending together the CJB murder and November 22nd 1966 article and wasn't responsible for either attack? Or was the confession letter author the murderer of CJB, who wanted to make it look like they committed the November 22nd attack as well?

Richard
10/10/2024 02:38:35 pm

Currently I believe the confession letter author to be the killer of CJB

Johnny
10/10/2024 03:02:04 pm

I have never thought about it before, but maybe Zodiac began with writing letter before he did the crimes.

Interesting that you believe, Rick that the letter writer could very well be the killer. I wonder why the police wants us to believe otherwise. It's so long ago.


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