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RICHARD GRINELL, COVENTRY, ENGLAND
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AN INITIAL CUT TO THE LEFT SIDE [PT2]

3/12/2025

 
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Further analysis of Paul Stine's shirt shows that the left rear side is relatively free of blood staining apart from the patch I've highlighted in green (see below). This cannot have been deposited there from blood descending from above. However, with Paul Stine's "upper torso in the passenger side, head resting on the floorboard, facing north", his left side and back was accessible to the killer. The highlighted patch of blood is just above where the cut was initiated. Where the shirt on the left side may have been pulled upwards to create tension in the shirt and allow the killer to make his initial cut through the front and back of the shirt simultaneously.

​If the killer had manhandled Paul Stine's upright body around the shoulders, from the driver seat to the right side of the taxicab, with his head falling into the passenger footwell, he probably received some blood transfer to his hands. So when he gripped the left side of the shirt with his left hand to create tension, he very likely transferred this patch of blood just above the cut line. There is very little reason why this blood staining should be present on this area of the shirt, other than from the hand of a killer. Medical personnel would have arrived at the crime scene with clean hands and pulled Paul Stine around his shoulder area to extricate him from the passenger footwell (to his position shown in the below crime scene photographs). There would have been no need to grab the lower half of Paul Stine's shirt to lever him from the footwell.

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WAS THE KILLER PROMPTED INTO SENDING CLOTHING RATHER THAN DESCRIBING IT? CAN THE ZODIAC KILLER'S INSPIRATION FOR THIS ACT BE FOUND IN THE NEWSPAPERS HE READ?
PictureAFTER THE MEDICS HAD ARRIVED
The claim by some, arguing that the removed section of shirt piece could have occurred in the morgue at a later time doesn't withstand scrutiny. A person sneaking into the morgue for the express purpose of removing a section of Paul Stine's shirt, not only wouldn't have made a simultaneous cut through two layers of fabric on the left side of the shirt, they would have arrived at the morgue with clean hands and not deposited this patch of blood just above the cut line, had they even began cutting at this location.

The autopsy of Paul Stine began on Sunday, October 12th 1969 at approximately 9:30am, when photographs would have been taken of the fully clothed body, before they were removed for a more thorough examination. The clothing was then dried, given an identification tag, photographed, and then turned over to the property clerk's office to be secured. Unless some unauthorized person gained access to the body in the eleven hour window before the autopsy, or knew the location of where the property clerk had secured the clothing, there is practically no way a nefarious actor could have gained access to the shirt, to have mailed it within the next 24 hours or so. The practice of making up a story without evidence or justification, to then somehow attribute validity to it because nobody can disprove the story, is common and flawed reasoning in the Zodiac community.  

AN INITIAL CUT TO THE LEFT SIDE [PT1]

ZODCOM
3/12/2025 02:07:33 am

"The practice of making up a story without evidence or justification, to then somehow attribute validity to it because nobody can disprove the story, is common and flawed reasoning in the Zodiac community."

Is it known who made these claims about Stine's shirt?
Not perhaps 'captain puppet-master' aka 'pedro' again?

Richard
3/12/2025 03:47:13 am

I cannot say for certain where this originated but I first heard about it from Thomas Horan, who claims "forensically" (arguing on plasma separation) that the shirt piece was not removed when the blood was wet. However, I can promise you that the argument he uses is not correct

Rubislaw32 link
3/12/2025 05:47:58 am

Is that the same Thomas Horan, who was literally ''flashing cash'' on podcast interviews, following his involvement in a Peacock Zodiac TV series ?

The guy has no class, let alone real grasp of the case. Suddenly emerging from a wilderness of forgotten fools, to reappear in a sort of celebration of himself.

Now, back in the wilderness ?

ZODCOM
3/12/2025 08:36:18 am

I've always been convinced that Prof. Horan and this Perez looter were in cahoots, but without them knowing it:)

ZODCOM
3/12/2025 08:40:03 am

Horan has suspected several VPD police officers of being some kind of "Zodiac-Killer-Gang", or if not that, then conspirators of "invented" Zodiac-Killer which never existed...ehm, yeah, I don't want to think about it any further because I want+need to stay sane a little longer, God willing.

ZODCOM³
3/12/2025 09:57:40 am

Prof. Horan is probably just a colorful bird and opportunist at heart. The ideas and evidence he thinks he presents in his Zodiac books, crazy or not, are still worth their weight in gold...compared to the absolute utter DRECK the authors of TITZS have come up with! They promised to profile the perpetrator Zodiac...the result was a term paper that any 8th grader in high school could have written.

____________
TITZS aka This Is The Zodiac Speaking
by Dr.Kelleher & Dr.VanNyse

Rubislaw32 link
3/12/2025 10:09:01 am

Yes - a bit too ''standard'', by today's perception of things.

For Horan's flashing of banknotes, all a bit vulgar. As if: ''They still like me, and willing to pay for my opinions up-front.''.

''Look at my wedge - Loadsamoney.''.

ZODCOM³
3/12/2025 03:46:02 pm

This Is the Zodiac Speaking:
Into the Mind of a Serial Killer
Michael D. Kelleher and David Van Nuys
2001
https://www.target.com/p/this-is-the-zodiac-speaking-by-michael-d-kelleher-ph-d-david-van-nuys-paperback/-/A-90816003

I read the book as soon as it was published in 2001. So these two clowns had had more than 20 years, from 1978-2001, to analyze Zodiac's crime scenes, letters and postcards, as well as his character traits and his psyche. As for the rare police documents and some of the letters, Jake Wark and Tom Voigt had already published most of them on their websites. These two “experts” could have simply visited those websites to get access to things that almost nobody had before. Suprise, suprise, that's exactly what they did when they wrote their schund booklet!

100 PRINT
Now my question is, what had changed so much in the procedures of special psychoanalysis of serial killers from 1978 to 2001 that these two fools failed to learn? First, almost nothing, and second, even if, you can't apply statistical knowledge from that field to The Zodiac. Why? Because the guy is so rare and unlike anything we've seen before and later that we would otherwise pigeonhole as a serial killer or mass murderer. Zodiac would need its own classification. May I suggest a name? ONE IN A MILLION

Epilogue
--------

Profiler Mellor in 2023: "...blah Zodiac is blah..blah blah...blah..pfffft...blah"

Me in 2025: "Oh looksy, The Zodiac has been misanalyzed again!?! What did only change in the knowledge and/or science from 2001-2023 inside and outside BSU?

300 GOTO 100
]8~)

ZODCOM
3/12/2025 04:39:53 pm

Crackproof with cyphers & codes
Crackproof because still unidentified
Crackproof because nobody cracked/profiled his psyche

Thats a triple worldchampion you have on your hands, undisputed & undefeated since 50+ years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjphaXXEU9o

Rubislaw32 link
3/13/2025 03:04:08 am

Even the Zodiac would have been jealous of that sort of headline, from The Daily Mail ?

CA DOJ work in mysterious ways - but Voigt won't be told, until it's too late for him.

ZODCOM
3/13/2025 06:10:28 am

What we need are better figures, much better than before :)

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/13/2025 07:36:40 am

@ZODCOM³

I Luv this:❤️

300 goto 100 ❤️❤️

ZODCOM
3/13/2025 07:49:16 am

@EdEdwardsCiphers
Yeah, ZODCOM³ was once some kind of C64 & Amiga freak :)
Wait until you read Lisa's (another ZODCOM) report about "Z-Profilers".


@all
...and all the time I thought that Rubi was mostly just being sarcastic, or spreading ironic sayings with a wink...and that everything wouldn't be so bad...





OMG !!!





https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13933983/zodiac-killer-prostitution-conviction-netflix-murder-documentary.html

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/13/2025 10:08:28 am

@ZOD

Yes, that story of prostitution solicitation is now known, and one would assume, would be embarrassing for someone capable of that emotion. Some may not be. Introspection and empathy may not be a lot of peoples strong suits. It requires a developed and mature part of the brain.

Of particular interest to me, would be the 3 ⚾️ strikes rule. I'm wondering if harassment might constitute such a strike. I find that part to be of some interest.

mice with a mace :)
3/13/2025 10:04:34 pm

3 strikes rule or not.
what can he do? he is alone,
even if he recruits 10 others
and would come here...well,
I'd love to have that confrontation!
I am certainly in the minority
with such cruel thoughts. LOL.
Somehow I still haven't
understood why the MorfMB
and Reddit people got
so incredibly upset.
I spent 8 years, almost
daily against Tom and his
moronic friend Neil,
and against all their MB friends - alone!
There was nobody who wanted to help
not even the people from my small group
(their excuse - oh, leave the
weirdos, they'll get their
just punishment)...
but if that's not enough for one,
and one is still constantly in
enemy territory...at some point,
one will almost automatically
become OVERLORD ]8~)

Stromjunkie

Rubislaw32 link
3/12/2025 06:18:04 am

''Pedro's'' most recent Stine murder claim was that a son of one of the (late) Robbins kids had relayed to ''Pedro'' that any fingerprints left on Stine's cab would have been his father's bloodied ones.

Thereby, a last throw of the dice that Gyke could still have been Stine's killer.

I think all that ''Pedro'' succeeded in doing was alienate his ex-cellmate Eddy Barsh, forcing ''Pedro'' to terminate ''Barshy'' as a member of ''Pedro's'' site for good.

Barshy R.I.P.

ZODCOM
3/12/2025 08:47:36 am

Yes, the "new" bloody fingerprints were the first thing I noticed (what's happened since you've been away:)

Who is Eddy Barsh, not perhaps Eddy Neil?

Ex-cellmate?

Is it okay to talk about this in public?

ZODCOM
3/12/2025 08:55:45 am

Pedro+Barsh, did these two cuties do something kinky on the messageboard of www.zodiackiller.com ?

]8~)

Rubislaw32 link
3/12/2025 09:22:41 am

Well, they became a double-act, visiting Reddit to cause mischief & mayhem. We had Eddy Barsh as an infiltrator of ''Tom Voigt cucked'' - under the posting name ''Pope Trump'', until he was exposed.

What seemed to end it for them, was when I wrote a re-write intro to ''Just the Facts'':

Chapter 1: ''As cellmate Barshy and I hunkered down for the night, I recalled to him the time I had to explain to a judge that I was actually researching the Green River Killer, when mistakenly arrested for soliciting a sex worker...''.

I once suggested to Voigt that if he wrote a book which really told the truth - he might have a bestseller. But, he didn't seem interested...in the truth, that is.

ZODCOM
3/12/2025 10:08:11 am

MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, well done Rubi

Rubislaw32 link
3/13/2025 02:48:24 am

Crikey - still holding page 2 of Google's Zodiac Killer news, and after more than 5 months:

''REVEALED: Netflix hired convicted stalker with prostitution charge, as talking head for Zodiac Killer murder documentary.''.

And, that's only Part1 of the reality.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/13/2025 11:11:20 am

@Rubi,

There's more to the story? Do tell. 🫖

Rubislaw32 link
3/13/2025 11:26:19 am

Oh...I'll have to leave that one for now. No sense in being cruel to Voigt if he behaves himself, and doesn't live up to his already published stalking conviction.

He knows he's been warned by CA DOJ - and they only have to give the nod & wink to Bay area PD's to publish ''Part 2'' of his unrepentant past.

Then ''Part 3'' ? Oh dear me - let's hope for Voigt, he never gets there.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/13/2025 12:49:55 pm

@Rubi,

There's a PT III ???👀 and you won't spill???🫖

Rubislaw32 link
3/13/2025 12:59:42 pm

Well, also a ''pre-Part 1'', if what Mr Butterfield (Bitterfield to Voigt) told me was true.

The long and the short of it is, that if one hangs around long enough, with only a contempt for the sanctity of the case, believing you can treat it and everyone else, including cops, as if it is some sort of recreational sport - then your past will catch up with you.

ZODCOM
3/13/2025 08:33:00 pm

- hustler career
- half fansite for Pedo-Allen
- sold kinky souvenirs like ALA underpants
- doesn't help police identify a possible spree killer
- secret meeting with transsexual “informants”
- antifa/commie homo Gaykowski now new TOPSUSPECT
- etc
- etc
- etc

That with his “Angie”, I saw her in the wedding picture, isn't that bordering on elder abuse, or am I seeing it wrong?

He still lives in San Francisco. Crime at its peak and rising steeply. Feces on the sidewalks everywhere you look. Massive illegal problem, deliberately caused. Lots of deranged people on the loose, and a drug addiction epidemic. Welcome to California which has been turned into a shithole by progressive political amok runners of the united party. To these politicians, people like TomV & EddyN are like street prodigies, tender little plants of a conceited and whitewashed “underground” culture worth protecting.

Richard
3/12/2025 02:13:15 pm

You are correct Zodcom, the Zodiac Killer could easily have pinched up the shirt on the left side, cut through the two layers of fabric and then just took a small section or two from this part on the left side, yet he went right across the back. So clearly he had the intention of using this shirt for a lot longer than he did.

There are approximately 44 stripes across the back of the shirt, which for a medium size man would be about 22 inches. So 1 inch = 2 stripes. One section of cut shirt has about 10 stripes across, so it measures roughly 5 inches in width.and 3 inches in length. The second piece they show is roughly 4 inches in width, 7 inches in length. So he had shit loads of shirt left. Assuming the third piece was no larger than these two pieces.

https://zodiackillerfacts.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=63&pid=777#top_display_media

https://zodiackillerfacts.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=63&pid=776#top_display_media

ZODCOM
3/12/2025 04:03:11 pm

Richard, math is not my strong suit...but I understand from the context what you have discovered. Well done mate.

Rubislaw32 link
3/12/2025 04:10:53 pm

I agree, and I think the Zodiac would have used every swatch up for correspondences. Just figuring which one's we don't know about. Again, CA DOJ know the truth of it.

He used up every gun he had - 3. And, after Z408, I believe he never wasted any character allocations, with his ciphers.

Rubislaw32 link
3/13/2025 01:07:09 am

Just moving into the realms of a ''complete punt'' - in 1971 the Zodiac seemed to get very agitated that his original claims for Karl Werner's teenage victims Snoozy & Furlong were unraveling for credibility (Aug 3rd 1969). And yet, in correspondence form, we have only seen the ''7'' claim in the Nov 8th Dripping Pen card, as evidence that the Zodiac was actually claiming for Snoozy & Furlong - until his 1971 ''agitation''.

Could be, that after Nov 8th 1969, there was another letter/card which ''more pointedly'' claimed for Snoozy & Furlong ? And, that this letter/card was accompanied by a Stine shirt swatch.

The Zodiac was always looking to present evidence of himself in novel and different ways. What might the printed lines of Stine's shirt represent ? Part of the ''Stars & Stripes''. The Zodiac might have, for instance, sent a correspondence between the Dripping Pen card of Nov 8th and the ''8th victim claim'' San Jose letter of Nov 21st - which was a sort of collage, incorporating a shirt swatch and a more pointed claim including Snoozy & Furlong.

Pop Art was en vogue then, and Jasper John's 1967 ''Flag'' comes to mind.

Richard
3/13/2025 03:36:04 am

Yes it's quite odd that we have no additional shirt pieces after December 20th 1969, bearing in mind some of Zodiac's letters from 1971 onwards started to be ignored by the newspapers. This may suggest he had disposed of the remaining shirt piece sometime in 1970 and this option was no longer available to him. The only other possibility is the one you suggest Rubi, that he did send other pieces but this information was withheld from the newspapers. The shirt pieces were mentioned in the newspapers from the October 13th and December 20th letters, but was the one in the Bus Bomb letter ever mentioned?

Rubislaw32 link
3/13/2025 04:09:29 am

Absolutely, Richard - ''sketchy'' would be a good description of what has been reported, regarding allocation of shirt swatches.

And, if the September 18th 2023 graveyard story was authentic Zodiac's work - then he remained bitter about how his 1971 demise in credibility unfolded.

I have probably mentioned it before, but remain convinced that the July 19th 1978 typed letter, starting and ending in ''I am in control'' was an example of the Zodiac's influence from the minimalist artist Carl Andre - again.

Firstly, in presenting ciphers in ''grid'' form. Then, for the 1978 letter, Andre's ''typewriting art'' , where sometimes he set up pieces of typed writing on a never-ending loop, as it were.

Hope we eventually get to see some of the Zodiac's correspondences, which we have heard something about. And some surprise correspondences, too.

Richard
3/13/2025 05:40:44 am

There are so many occurrences such as the graveyard incident, Monticello card, the 148 character letter that so wholeheartedly tie in with one another, for which I could give 20+ examples, along with copious amounts of solid reasoning for at least two of the 1978 letters and 1986/1987 letters, that it defies explanation why the authenticated letters are so routinely accepted with little or no proof required. I am not saying they aren't genuine, but are just accepted in absence of knowing why they are genuine.

I too now accept the July 1978 letter is probably genuine.

APRIL 24TH 1978: "I am waiting for a good movie about me. Who will play me".
MAY 2ND 1978: "Whoever plays me has his work cut out for him". (unpublished)
JULY 19TH 1978: "Maybe you play chess with me". (unpublished)

Every one using the singular pronoun "me" and phrases "play chess with me", "Who will play me" and "Whoever plays me".

Rubislaw32 link
3/13/2025 06:01:07 am

Yes, the Monticello card is almost certainly the Zodiac throwing all Werner's shocking work, as his the Zodiac's. Then, referred to as ''three kids'' in Z148, now with victim Bilek ''on board''.

For the Scotch Tape letter of July 1978, that ''cheap sets'' phrase gets me every time. An ''in the trade'' pawn brokers term for sets of (usually) ladies costume jewellery ( e.g. matching necklace and earrings) - that has an aesthetic value, but not intrinsic. The inference also, that the Zodiac was prone to fleecing his victims of what they were wearing when he murdered them. There is no evidence that he ever did this - but he liked to ''big up'' on the badness of himself.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/13/2025 07:32:35 am

"Play"

So much use of the word "play" speaks to me about this person's possible outlook on the concept. Play, and games.

There's no way to know of course, but it is my feeling that the use of this word, taken with other behaviors, such as the re-use of the word "game" (dangerous, spoil, etc.), says to me that it occupies a space in his brain.

Just something I noticed.

Also, a quick non-sequitur. "The dripping pen card". I like that name, because to me, it is also a non-sequitur. Meaning, that's what it's known as, but thematically, one could make the case, that it's not that at all. Or I should say, not only that.

I've always found it interesting, that one card is called "The halloween card", but this one is called "The dripping pen" card. That could really lead one to believe, that the two are not connected in anyway thematically at all.

I'll have more to say on that though at a later time and space.

Apologies for the off-topic interruption. Back to your regularly scheduled programming ;-)

Richard
3/13/2025 07:01:13 am

Vintage Panasonic Easa-phone Dual Tape Answering Machine Model Kx-t1427 (1970), Phonemate Model 400 (1971), Phonemate Model 400-S (1972), TT Systems TeleTender IV (1974), Phonemate Model PM-800S (1975), and Phonemate Model 900 (1978) were all answering machines using cassette tapes. The person claiming to be Zodiac on March 13th 1978 had his voice recorded on an answering machine by the homeowner. I would like to think they kept the recording but I sincerely doubt it.

Richard
3/13/2025 07:25:49 am

Unfortunately, the wording in the July 19th 1978 letter doesn't tally with answering machine tape, only the payphone tape from 1975.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/13/2025 10:14:16 am

@SirRichard,

I believe it was the poet that crooned "How lucky can one guy get"?🎲

Rubislaw32 link
3/13/2025 01:52:49 pm

If I might interject, EdEdwardsCiphers - your question is a very pertinent one - particularly if the Zodiac is still alive, but probably nearing the end of his days.

Having said that, for serious crime it tends never to stop law enforcement's pursuit of justice, unless the suspect is actually hospitalized, or proven mentally incapacitated.

How extreme can the Zodiac's luck get ? Well, if I proffered that someone, about 5 years ago, in senior LE public service is responsible for offering the Zodiac an effective ''covert pardon'' - then most others might think that I am barking mad.

We shall see, unless a handful of prominent politicians choose the route of yet another cover-up ploy.

Rubislaw32 link
3/14/2025 04:41:08 am

The Zodiac, and an extract from his ''$400'' personal ad placed in the Seattle Times March 25th 2021:

''If anything dire happens to me (or any I love), what I gave the cops gets published immediately.''.

This ''Happy Birthday to the Zodiac Sister/s'' personal ad was removed from the online issue of that day's publication, within days.

It does seem as if the Zodiac was no longer bothered about who might find out his identity, as the placer of the ad - believing his ''covert pardon'' was kosher. Well - it now looks as if it did come from an official federal public service department.

But ''not'' with the approval of the US Government.

Unlucky for the Zodiac ?

Rubislaw32 link
3/14/2025 05:48:03 am

For what it is worth - when did the US Government find out about a covert pardon made, without their approval ?

The beginnings of a realization ? 16 months ago.

Final proof ? 12 months ago.

When ''might'' Mr Trump have found out ? 11 months ago.

Is Mr Trump happy about it ? I very much doubt it.

Richard
3/14/2025 12:48:55 pm

If you put any more links on my comments section to dangerous sites Voigt you will regret you ever started this sort of tactic.

Richard
3/14/2025 12:54:57 pm

Can people from here onwards refrain from giving this individual the attention he doesn't deserve. The above is the final time I shall mention his name on this site.

Rubislaw32 link
3/15/2025 04:07:26 am

Here is the full text, Richard, of the March 25th 2021 personal ad, placed in the Seattle Times. It's been in the public domain for 4 years now - so no sense being mean about it like a squirrel hoarding its nuts for winter. To view it in original situ, one would need to become a member of zodiackillermystery.freeforums.net

Something for a rainy day ?

In a time context, its publication falls on the 2nd anniversary of ''Game-on-gate''. Just 28 days later, the FBI published their Eldridge Cleaver Files. Positive indications that CA DOJ are well aware of these things.

The personal ad, Seattle Times March 25th 2021:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ! TO THE ZODIAC SISTER/S

Life is short, Eternity is long

When passing thru, don't get it WRONG

Didn't you say, in an asylum he belongs ?

Eph. 5:11 ''Take no share in the fruitless deeds of evil and darkness. But instead expose them.''

Out the truth will inevitably come

For Truth never dies.

Those who tell what they know was done,

Look better in the public eyes

Than if they play dumb.

I've set up a fail-safe. See:

If anything dire happens to me

(or any I love) what I gave the cops gets published immediately.

And what will happen if he is gone ?

The same ! The same !

Time marches on.

------------------

Richard
3/15/2025 06:21:01 am

Thanks Rubi.

ZODCOM
3/15/2025 11:29:56 am

Sweet baby Jesus, the few 100% Zodiac messages are too demanding and overwhelming in themselves, but you two manage to dig up a brand new one almost every 12 days :)

Rubislaw32 link
3/15/2025 12:03:19 pm

Just in pursuit of the truth, whatever that might end up being, ZODCOM.

Disinformation (deliberate & knowing misinformation) is the very worst thing that tends to happen to this case. There are more than me who sometimes knows when it happens - but are not prepared to put their heads above the parapet to speak up, even if they sympathize.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could all (figuratively) go home - satisfied that , for the most part, the truth was on show and justice delivered ?

Anyone might think the Zodiac carries a secret recipe for a super-bomb. Too many, in positions of responsibility, have simply lost their moral compasses - or were intrinsically afflicted with ASPD, anyway.

ZODCOM
3/15/2025 02:50:11 pm

I think I understand very well what you're trying to say... what you're thinking right now... if that's even possible. As for the letter itself, I've never seen it or heard anything about it. Thank you for the time and effort you took to find it and type it up.

Rubislaw32 link
3/15/2025 03:00:47 pm

The ''more the merrier'', ZODCOM, and my pleasure.

Strangely (or not), I find the line: ''And what will happen if he is gone'' - the most annoying.

It should be: ''And what will happen If I am gone''.

Third-party abdication of responsibility.

ZODCOM³
3/15/2025 03:20:57 pm

Rubi, I'm afraid you are far too good a person for this world in general, but especially when it comes to TZC. The same goes for Rich.

Take a look at this, I'm sure you won't like it.... but that's the kind of “warfare” it takes. This is the kind of “love” we will soon be bringing to TITZS as well.

Richard is mistaken if he thinks Void is just a 50 year old with developmental disabilities just acting childish or to get attention.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/the-modesto-abduction-t-minus-20

Rubislaw32 link
3/16/2025 10:34:51 am

Well, out for respect for you and your site, Richard - I won't state the name of the person whom I finger-point for being responsible for the Zodiac receiving an effective covert pardon. But, I have accused him in print on a number of times at zodiackillermystery.freeforums.net

Someone Mr Trump turned to as the voice of reason, when feeling under pressure. Someone whose word he thought he could trust.

A clue for everyone ?

Rhymes with ''Kill-Car''.

ZODCOM
3/16/2025 12:56:28 pm

"Strangely (or not), I find the line: ''And what will happen if he is gone'' - the most annoying."

People who speak or write about themselves in the third person are usually a bit out of it inside their skull. Exceptions are “The Persuaders!” and Mr. Zodiac himself if he is faking it again.

Rubislaw32 link
3/16/2025 01:11:02 pm

Another ''little clue'' perhaps ?

''Zodiac Sister/s'' referred to ''Sisters of worship of him, the Zodiac'' - a gender-non-specific term, as such.

''Didn't you say, in an asylum he belongs ?'' ?

Look no further than the ''unmentionable'' V-man.

Rubislaw32 link
3/16/2025 02:18:36 pm

I think the Zodiac found the ''V-man'' very entertaining.

Not least, those who might think the ''V-man'' ought to be in an asylum.

Difficult to see the ''V-man'' forking out $400 for another spot of disinformation ? Too ''skinflint'', surely ?

ZODCOM
3/17/2025 12:56:30 am

Rubi, what do you mean? V-man like an informant or is that some American/British TV series (not 'V' 1983) I don't know about, or is it something completely different? Don't talk in code to me, bruh :)))

Somebody wrote:
"HAPPY BIRTHDAY ! TO THE ZODIAC SISTER/S"

You wrote/interpreted:
''Zodiac Sister/s'' referred to ''Sisters of worship of him, the Zodiac'' - a gender-non-specific term, as such.

Where and how do you got "worship"? So some lunatic doesn't even know if he has one (singular) or more then one sister (plural)? Anyway, he wishes them "all" a happy birthday? So maybe he doesn't really mean any real sister of his, but is assing around with the audience, those which follow and know about "his" case (TZC)?

Or does it mean witches?
Not perhaps exactly 3 of them?
NOW, WE ARE TALKING! (maybe:)

All in all that somebody is quite chatty if you ask me.

(Talking to myself silently...
Why did I even replied/asked? Highlikely it's just some other Dunbar show call-in moron, only this time without a phone but with a letter. Why? Because of the daam compulsion, TZC obsession we all have or suffer from, thatfor!)

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Rubislaw32 link
3/17/2025 02:05:14 am

''Sisters of Worship'' ? Just a casual collective term.

A bit like ''Sisters of Mercy'' for nuns. But in that case, specifically female.

The inference being, that those of the ''Voigt ilk'' actually ''idolized'' the Zodiac, as opposed to merely taking a keen interest in the Zodiac case.

Remember Lyndon Lafferty's words ? ''The Ultimate Zodiac Whore''.

I received a ''casual'' death threat I believe was from the Zodiac, about 4 years ago. Around about the same time as the Seattle Times personal ad.

He referred to me as ''Die Biene''. This means ''The Bee'' in German. But it obviously looks like he wishes me to ''Die well''.

As opposed to ''Dying badly'' - one presumes ?

No, no, no.....one can't afford to be frightened off by the coward and often glib w*nker, that is the Zodiac.

Rubislaw32 link
3/17/2025 02:32:06 am

I see ''Die Biene'' as a compliment of a sort. The inference that I am ''Busy as a Bee'', perhaps.

I may be the only known person to have successfully menaced the Zodiac, also. About 18 months before this Seattle Times personal ad, I secured a pristine copy of what has become known as ''The Richard Nixon postcard'' - mocking Nixon over the Watergate Tapes, and (probably) threatening the safety of Nixon's daughter Tricia. Signed: ''A concerned citizen for freedom''.

The picture on this postcard included one of the ''Three Sisters mountains'' in Oregon. And yet the title of the postcard photo claimed the whole three Sisters.

I had previously slipped this postcard in with the mail of someone I believed might know the Zodiac, half-hoping it might find its way to him.

Well - I had forgotten all about this - until the Seattle Times personal ad. ''Zodiac Sister/s'' ? Could be a confirmation that the Zodiac had received my postcard, with its photographic ambiguity of only one of the Three Sisters mountains.

And yes - I have admitted in the past to suggesting that Mr V*igt ought to be admitted to an asylum. Something the Zodiac found amusing.

ZODCOM
3/17/2025 04:11:53 am

crossposting, my fault:)

Now that info with the 3 sisters (mountains) makes more sense, i did not know about any of it until you explained it. And yes, Void is a very disturbed spirit in many ways. Very!

ZODCOM
3/17/2025 03:50:58 am

Tomcat fanboys idolize their master, like braindead sheeps usually do. Tomcat himself idolize Pedo-Allen, and NOT THE ZODIAC. Tomcat himself idolize Gaykowski, and NOT THE ZODIAC
You see already any patterns here?

Combine all those and you'll get Lafferty's final summary about Void and his sexy fanboys/informants/co-workers.

Your Zodiac speaks German? Very interesting. You should show me the complete communique. Germans use that word and/or expressions like "Du bist fleißig wie eine Biene" to marvel those who work hard and are diligent. Since you considered it a death threat coming from the entire context, maybe he didn't wanted to marvel you:)

Somebody else (LOL) tried to show here on this MB how Zodiac's character trait is not that of a coward, but you just wrote how you know what an coward he is (meaning and knowing your POI)

Guys, I can't swing your opinions if you don't want to, and I give a shit about who thinks what about Z. And I mean The Zodiac, the real one, not some POI or somebody you ever heard/met/saw ever before. I tell you my findings/viewpoints one time, and you all do with it what you want.

You miss the info how his personality is not one of an coward, then Herzlichen glückwunsch! Zodiac laughed and still laughs his huge hairy chuckies wet whenever he was/got underestimated. And all I saw since 50+ years was crass underestimation. You all be you, I'll be me, nobody moved anywhere - no harm done. Dark dude watches this all and laughs his chuckies wet ]8~)

Those are not jabs at you Rubi, just general observations. If one then its you and Rich which would be able to change their opinions about certain things, so again, no jabs at you, and no Trump-like 4th dimensional chessplay either.

Rubislw32 link
3/17/2025 04:08:09 am

Yes absolutely - the likelihood that a number of Zodiac followers will come at the Zodiac from differing angles, as such.

For Mr Voigt, the ''Gyke angle'' is as probable as simply the ''Zodiac obsessional'' thing. 15 years relentlessly chasing a lost cause ? That's got to hurt him. And ,he has created extra glove-puppets singing Gyke's praises as a Zodiac candidate - as the real support for Gyke slips away to a mere ''trickle of interest''.

I think there are Gyke threads at his site - that are just 4 or 5 Voigts speaking among themselves. Hilarious or worrying for his mental well-being ? Either way - law enforcement have had him sussed for a long time.

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3/17/2025 04:19:32 am

crossposting, my fault:)

Now that info with the 3 sisters (mountains) makes more sense, i did not know about any of it until you explained it. And yes, Void is a very disturbed spirit in many ways. Very!

Rubislaw32 link
3/17/2025 04:29:41 am

On the matter of German Language, I don't think it was that big with him. But he ''did'' give George Webster (father of Joan Webster) a hard time over family money linked to industrial ovens commissioned for the Third Reich.

The Zodiac was attracted to foreign languages because it gave him another ''in'' into disguised communication. But, it was only really French Language, I believe, that he became pretty good at, to speak.

ZODCOM
3/17/2025 04:51:51 am

Hehehehehe, you are an master of triggering, Rubi.
Now what kind of schweinerei is that biz talk about 3rd Reich, Mr.Webster and your POI? You are really convincing me from day to day more to get me Laffertys book asap:)

ZODCOM
3/17/2025 04:54:45 am

...and do we talk about Grant or Adler?

Rubislaw32 link
3/17/2025 05:25:06 am

A strange thing of me to say, perhaps, but I wouldn't push for anyone to buy Lafferty's book - unless I'm proven correct in assessing that the Zodiac was Grant's biological son - persecuting Grant.

And then one would realize how Lafferty came to his conclusions - and whose work I owe a debt of gratitude. Without his work, I don't think I could have figured at least one third of my work. But again, a personal opinion.

Yes - Adler doesn't amount to much in the scheme of things. Just, the meanness of Willian Grant, believing he could ''quick fix'' his wife's nervous breakdown by assigning her a psychiatrist. All Grant really cared about was himself, and that local gossip about his sexual habits remained ''just gossip''.

On the ''Voigt front'' I've already given him stick about his claims of having secured ''two interviews'' with William Grant. Just a load of empty bluster from Voigt.

What does it matter ? Only that Voigt used this fib to figuratively bash Lafferty over the head, and whom he accused of being homophobic. So, presumably, Voigt would look good ?

Lafferty became a local hero - the first private eye to catch the attention of a sitting President (George W Bush). What has Mr Voigt amounted to ?

Rubislaw32 link
3/17/2025 05:56:49 am

Oh yes...the Third Reich thing. About 6 years ago, Eve Carson who was Joan Webster's sister-in-law allowed a long letter from ''someone'' accusing George Webster of his family business linked to a contract to manufacture industrial ovens for the Nazi's.

I regret not copying out the text of the letter - because about 3 months later her lawyers (obviously ?) told her to withdraw the letter from public viewing. I thought it sounded like the Zodiac, anyway. The thing is about possible Zodiac links to Joan's murder is, that her family have never really been convinced themselves, of a Zodiac link. And, this comes down largely to the experience they had with Gareth Penn - who was just ''shooting in the dark'' - and never actually was entertained by any member of Joan's family. He was once led into a ruse for him to meet with George - then arrested by the FBI. Unlucky (LOL). All his work Zodiac-related was ''dirge'', which I asses as a real mathematician.

Sorry, Mr Penn - but a man has to know his limitations. And Mr Penn was a (gifted) German linguist and archivist - NOT a mathematician. The inference from law enforcement is, that Mr Penn first had Michael O'Hare in his sights as the Zodiac, before he embarked on his elaborate & eccentric work.

Rubislaw32 link
3/18/2025 06:51:16 am

That's all for now, folks - thanks for your interest, ZODCOM.

ZODCOM
3/17/2025 12:24:10 pm

[ Yes - Adler doesn't amount to much in the scheme of things. Just, the meanness of Willian Grant, believing he could ''quick fix'' his wife's nervous breakdown by assigning her a psychiatrist. All Grant really cared about was himself, and that local gossip about his sexual habits remained ''just gossip''. ]

Der Adler ist gelandet :))) Listen, if you find out that this Dr. Adler uses/used Dark Psychology, he'll turn into your suspect #1 as quick as we say WHO, believe you me! Now for the jucy parts, lol. Please tell me that Grant Sen. is 100% straight and some kind of womenizer, and that he cheated his wife even she is a beautiful woman herself...which then might be one reason for her breakdown(s), and thats then how Adler came into the play?
But I fear you'll tell me now a complete opposite story of and about Grant's habits, am I right?

[ On the ''Voigt front'' I've already given him stick about his claims of having secured ''two interviews'' with William Grant. Just a load of empty bluster from Voigt. ]

Did't I told you that you should't keep contact with idiots?
It's bad for ones reputation, and secondly, it drains IQ points the closer one is to that Void object:)

[ What does it matter ? Only that Voigt used this fib to figuratively bash Lafferty over the head, and whom he accused of being homophobic. So, presumably, Voigt would look good ? ]

You can show our TOP-SECRET DOSSIER to Mr.Lafferty and tell him there is no homophobia (and no islamophobia), among many other things! Those things don't even exist, they newer existed. That's just pretended clever egghead commietalk + constructs they come up with to shut up their enemies or any kind of resistance to their moronic ideas (Saul Alinsky - Rules For Radicals). By now you know my school and what I teach if I'm forced to, you saw it in the past 2 days:)

[ Lafferty became a local hero - the first private eye to catch the attention of a sitting President (George W Bush). What has Mr Voigt amounted to ? ]

Void was and is just a total looser. Cheap, little, emotional pimp who can only threatening weaker ones, or control them. We should whish that "Angie" all best in "her marriage".

[ And, this comes down largely to the experience they had with Gareth Penn - who was just ''shooting in the dark'' - and never actually was entertained by any member of Joan's family. ]

Hehehehe, experiencing communication with good ol garth can go pretty quick off rails. Times 17 was my first book into TZC. Of course, the first thing was to contact Penn and bore the life out of him, being a newbee, I guess. I ordered his Second Power and he included a photo + autogramm for free. I think I talk to him a couple of months...poor guy:)

To me he was mostly nice, never smartass attacks or belitelling remarks, but I heard stories about others which were not so lucky, and there were many of those others:) That changed as soon I included a few names of my team members at that time in my email posts to him. Then suddenly he started to play the mensan...and I said gooodbyeee:) In retrospect it was my fault just to include strange people he did not know. Jesus, that has to be some 20 years ago.

[ He was once led into a ruse for him to meet with George - then arrested by the FBI. Unlucky (LOL). All his work Zodiac-related was ''dirge'', which I asses as a real mathematician. Sorry, Mr Penn - but a man has to know his limitations. And Mr Penn was a (gifted) German linguist and archivist - NOT a mathematician. The inference from law enforcement is, that Mr Penn first had Michael O'Hare in his sights as the Zodiac, before he embarked on his elaborate & eccentric work. ]

As soon I read the name Joan Webster I kneew we would land on Penns adventures of obsession:) So by now, and long ago, he is retired from the case. So I guess now it can be told.

Gareth's idea was not to "research" the case or find new evidence or collect documents or to interview witnesses...he wanted to get in contact with The Zodiac!

Guys, the Arecibo, he wrote about it without to tell what he is actually doing. The good old sender-receiver thingy on a very high intellectual level. His "math" was just another form to code his own messages to a potential Zodiac which potentially would read them and somehow reply. That's the great mystery, and Gareth fooled you all with pretending he would be after MHOH...I don't know if MHOH is not even part of the plan or if that is just another layer of Penn to settle some old bills with MHOH while simoultaniously trying to contact Zodiac.

ZODCOM
3/17/2025 12:28:50 pm

Anyway, he wrote the book good and interesting, but when it came to math...first one can follow, and all is good, and follow some more, and after a half hour it makes suddenly no sense and the numbers are wrong...whatever he did it was coded/chiffred and highlikely even too crazy or warped for Zodiac himself, if he ever read Times17.

I senden my best and most capable cousin to get me that book which was extremely difficult to get. He fley to New York because he had some company work to do there too, and when he had finally time to enjoy NY with his wife he went on a mission to find that book for me. When he came back, he gave me Times17, and he told me that this was the first and last time he would do such things. First it was hell to find it, and the antiquariat which had one last exemplary must have been lead by some psycho or serial himself, lol...my cousin told me that he immediately started to think...well, that's it then, this psycho is coming back with a knife, or some weird store-robbery is going to happen soon and I'll be killed because witness...

Nothing happened but both had their pants full. His wife was somewhat angry that it took me 2 years to establish a normal relationship with her again. Whatever happened there, it must have been fubar :)

Ken Narlow threw Penn once out of his office thinking that Garth is some moronic whaco or dangerous or both or all three things together...mwhahahahahaha, poor Narlow.

MikeR., btw, absolute cool guy and very good researcher, thought I would joke or ass around with him when I explained him what its all behind Times17 really. Jake Wark lost his mind over it, so did Butterfield. Both defended Penn not knowing what Penn was really doing and that you can't defend his math. Another thing was the entire fiasco with Penns Radian theory. Sure, like them, I believed too that a mensan which studied or formed such a theory...yeah, that was some flop. I can't even see what and how somehting was there "coded in" for Zodiac to find. Maybe it is maybe not.

Now all assery and fun away, Penn had phantastic ideas and he was right by immediately seeing it that the cops had no idea what The Zodiac was doing and how. I believe Penn wrote something along the line that Zodiac was some, at least, 10 years in advance with whatever tactic they tried to catch him with...and Penn was right in 1980/81 same as in 2025!

Mr.Penn, "crazed" Jedi Master, thanks for the photo and autogram again. Ahhhh, those were the times when The Zodiac case was not about some pervs doing pervy things :)))

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I didn't know it was Grant (is that even your Grant?) the FBI lured Penn with to take the bait, actually I know nothing about that story and how what happened. Now, 20 years later, some other Z-researcher writes about MHOH like crazy and how he konws MHOH is the Zodiac...hahahahahahahaha, poor guy...and poor MHOH, maybe.
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Rubislaw32 link
3/17/2025 03:23:23 pm

Very interesting what you have to say, ZODCOM, and sincerely taken on board. Lyndon Lafferty sadly passed away in March 2016 - missed to this day. Great fun to work with, and a complete gentleman.

The rumor is that Gareth Penn was sexually jealous of O'Hare, who always had a bevy of beautiful women hanging around him when younger. All I know is that Penn, a highly intelligent man normally, made a complete pants of himself, over the Zodiac case.

Voigt just isn't worth the effort, for the most part. I only ever sought him out once, before I even had the internet, since I was eager to find out what this ''Zodiac Malarkey'' was all about. He has probably stalked me a thousand times. Just can't stay away - probably thinking I might have something he doesn't have. A worthwhile suspect, perhaps ? Who knows - but I've told him that responsible law enforcement simply won't entertain ''unrepentant crims''. His toxicity ''sizzles''.

ZODCOM
3/17/2025 05:06:44 pm

A couple of days I asked you if you have contact to him and if he would be alive. You didn't answered so I thought, highlikely he is and Rubi can't reveal in public that they still have contact, exchange of infos etc.

RIP Mr. Lafferty

Now I even hear Void stalked you? And it is not one or two or three times but far more then that? Holy sh...



If he was just jealous would GP invest at least 2 full years to come up with the ideas and then write a book about it? That's waay too much work and freezes resources for waaay too long time. Daam, MHOH has 7 beauties on his lap, and I have just two...what an perv, now I'm going to write a book and frame him a serial killer. Hahahaha, no, I don't see that behaviour.

I worried more about how CASE OBSESSIVE he was when he came up with the idea to get in contact with Zodiac. So we can assume Z would love to read a book about himself, and GP was the first one who wrote one so far I know. Now Z reads it, understands it and starts to play games with GP because GP showed that he understood his codes or way of coding and all that stuff about layers...GP would be a threat for Z. How crazy is that to lure such a monster to your own doorsteps, and having a girlfriend or wife and maybe even a baby kid? What then happened we all know, the real killer highlikely never tried to contact him, but instead alot of more or less dangerous kooks did! Gareth made himself into a shitmagnet for decades to come...and put his family at risk.

Rubislaw32 link
3/17/2025 05:30:36 pm

Just internet stalking, of course, but I had heard of what he could be like, prior. ASPD - afflicted, never give up trying it on. All the tricks in the book - surprise, scare, and seem impervious to embarrassment. Then when the going gets tough for them, they first attempt a poor version of being the actual victim. Then, if failing there - they disappear for a bit, to bolster up their confidence a bit, before coming back.

Pitiful creatures - and the cops try to ignore them, unless completely unacceptable behavior.

''Game-on-gate'' was actually something Voigt has never really gotten over. Just hopes to reinvent himself - but in reality, self-deluded.

Rubislaw32 link
3/18/2025 01:31:08 am

Yes, ZODCOM, what you have referred to Gareth Penn sounds pretty plausible. There is often an assumption that with Graysmith's 1986 Zodiac, that the Zodiac had some sort of ''reawakening''. This is only true, I believe, in his realization that infamy in perpetuity, beckoned for him - and it did re-start his interest in cipher-making again.

But, we sometimes underestimate that, before Graysmith's books, he saw some opportunities to do mischief to those making a few ''minor headlines'' of Zodiac interest, themselves. Don Peterson seems to stand out as one such - just a hard-working journalist who was confronted by a plausible claim (to Peterson) that the Zodiac could be Joseph Bates, father of Cheri Jo. Peterson became swayed, and by the time he realized he had probably been duped, it was really too late to go back on self-credibility.

Lafferty claimed he received mail from someone inferring that they were the Zodiac. But, it didn't sway him, because he was convinced that William Grant was the Zodiac, whom Lafferty knew socially, through his wife and Grant's wife's long-time friendship.

Lafferty knew my position on perception of the case, naturally. I once told him that I believed that the Zodiac was much more fearful of Lafferty, than has sometimes been perceived as the other way around. And, of course I might say this because I believe that the Zodiac knew that Lafferty was so close to the truth of the matter. But even my position wouldn't dissuade him from what Lafferty had believed for 40 years work.

One of the triggers for me, was the knowledge that someone whom I believe to be a possible Zodiac, had ended up in hospital with a suspected heart attack, shortly after Grant's death. It turned out to be a case of heart palpitations. But it proved an alerting factor. I believe now, that the Zodiac's main reason for the heart palpitations was, that Lafferty might now ''unwittingly'' find out the real truth of the matter. ''The Zodiac'' survived, and Lafferty's book was published - with no real major surprises in it.

Rubislaw32 link
3/18/2025 06:17:14 am

My apologies : ''Dave'' Peterson, reporter for the Vallejo Times-Herald for many years.

ZODCOM
3/18/2025 06:41:17 am

"But, we sometimes underestimate that, before Graysmith's books, he saw some opportunities to do mischief to those making a few ''minor headlines'' of Zodiac interest, themselves. Don Peterson seems to stand out as one such - just a hard-working journalist who was confronted by a plausible claim (to Peterson) that the Zodiac could be Joseph Bates, father of Cheri Jo. Peterson became swayed, and by the time he realized he had probably been duped, it was really too late to go back on self-credibility."


It is unbelievable what happened to this family, a series of tragedies that you can hardly bear when you realize how these people had to live “normally” with the hellish torments inflicted on them.

'Hard working'...urinalist! That kind of scum should be skinned alive, in public...for educational purposes only, of course.

Btw, I think the problem with the other 'journalist' has been resolved. A certain 'Spike' seems to have been reading our conversation. The dossier has been updated.


"Lafferty knew my position on perception of the case, naturally. I once told him that I believed that the Zodiac was much more fearful of Lafferty, than has sometimes been perceived as the other way around. And, of course I might say this because I believe that the Zodiac knew that Lafferty was so close to the truth of the matter. But even my position wouldn't dissuade him from what Lafferty had believed for 40 years work."

So if I somehow understand all the threads correctly, Lafferty thought Grant Sen. was the Zodiac. You thought it was more likely Grant's son, Grant Jr. who tried to put the blame on his own father? Ergo, he must be the real Zodiac, or so you think. And Dr.Adler was just someone who was more or less uninvolved nearby and Lafferty's wife and Grant's wife were friends? When did all this happen that you and Laffety investigated or found out about, in what time frame?


"I believe now, that the Zodiac's main reason for the heart palpitations was, that Lafferty might now ''unwittingly'' find out the real truth of the matter. ''The Zodiac'' survived, and Lafferty's book was published - with no real major surprises in it."

How old is Grant's son today? And is he really Grant's illegitimate son of another mother/wife Grant was with...not Marion's biological child?

I still don't see what's so exciting about it :) But if Lafferty managed to convince so many authorities to do expensive DNA tests...could it be that Grant Jun. has more illegitimate half-brothers? Could it be that Grant Sen. himself doesn't know exactly how many illegitimate children he really has?

Who would have thought that in a village like Vallejo in the late 60s, everyone was shagging everyone. Zodiac happens to come along by chance, looking for a house or an apartment...oh no, fuck that, I'm back in Sacramento :)))



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Rubislaw32 link
3/18/2025 06:54:49 am

That's all for now - thanks for your interest, ZODCOM.

ZODCOM
3/18/2025 07:25:04 am

Okay, too curious, I understand.

Can you give us a link, a specific one, not an address of a whole forum or website, where we can find out more about the Grants?

Rubislaw32 link
3/18/2025 09:44:31 am

The stuff on Grant is scattered across the Zodiac internet, ZODCOM.

One day I will compile all the stuff I know on him. First adult Zodiac suspect (1968-1973).

''Hard working...Urinalist.'' ? Like it a lot. At one time I got quite chummy with two well-known reporters with an interest in the Zodiac case. Both turned out to be ''shockers'' - parasites with one eye on any possible personal kickbacks.

One of them recently ''retired''. A euphemism for rendering his position no longer tenable to his employers - Hearst. Last straw was (probably) insulting 73 million daily Reddit users, whom he ''accused'' of being ''sincere''. What a hoot.

ZODCOM
3/18/2025 10:22:11 am

2 reporter...

IMAGINE HOW SHOCKED I AM

Rubislaw32 link
3/18/2025 10:34:28 am

Well, the other one seemed more preoccupied with conveying to his readers an opinion on Cristiano Renaldo's latest haircut.

Juggling that and the Zodiac case. What a combination.

The moral of the story ? The ''gutter press'' have no set place where they operate.

ZODCOM
3/18/2025 10:49:21 am

I think corrupt or venal reporters or those in the gutter press should be drowned in the toilet, they should at least get a taste of the big wide world before they lose their accreditation to live on. ]8~)

ZODCOM
3/18/2025 11:02:50 am

Rubi, what he wanted to make clear is that no such reporters work at ZODCOM, as always formulated as subtly and normal as possible :)))


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    The Zodiac Killer may have given us the answer almost word-for-word when he wrote PS. The Mt. Diablo Code concerns Radians & # inches along the radians. The code solution identified was Estimate: Four Radians and Five Inches To read more, click the image.
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