A RIGHT-HANDED ZODIAC KILLER AT LHR

3/4/2025

REPORT OF AUTOPSY, OFFICE OF THE CORONER OF SOLANO COUNTY, MORGAN L. HANNIGAN, CORONER.
Name: David Arthur Faraday
Post mortem at: Colonial Chapels Date: 12/21/68 Time: 1:30pm
Place of death: DOA Vallejo General Hospital Date: 12/21/68 Time: 12:05am
Age: 17 years Sex: Male Color: White Height: 68” Weight: 135#
Wounds: See below on the cranial activity. A small 0.5 inch bruise is noted over the left side of the neck.
Cranial cavity: Head: A bullet wound (3/16” diameter) of entry is seen penetrating the upper slight posterior area of the left ear and entering the scalp and skull bone beneath. The bullet follows a straight horizontal course but angling forward and to the right, going through the left temporal lobe. The base of the frontal lobes in the midline and inferior borders of the left frontal lobe and anterior margins of the left temporal lobe. The irregularly flattened bullet is recovered here. In the dura, without injury to the skull bone. There is no tumors to the brain. Subdural and subarachnoid hemorrhages are present. There are comminuted fractures of both left and right temporal bones and sphenoid bones. Courtesy of Ray Grant.

David Arthur Faraday

It is noticeable that the 0.5 inch bruise to the left side of David Faraday's neck is consistent with the muzzle of a gun being forcibly pressed into the victim's neck as he was being restrained by the right rear wheel of the Rambler, with David facing away from the Rambler. A killer looking into David's eyes, pressing a gun into the left side of his neck could only have been performed by a right-handed killer. It is not difficult to understand at the moment of the shooting, that the killer shifted the position of the gun behind his left ear flap and pulled the trigger to deliver a devastating head shot to the helpless young man. The entry point of the bullet is not consistent with a left-handed killer standing by the open door of the Rambler with an outstretched left arm (or bent arm). Not only would the gun unlikely be positioned behind the flap of the left ear, but the killer (if alone) would have had his back turned to Betty Lou Jensen (see here)..

After collapsing to the turnout floor, David Faraday's feet were literally touching the right rear tire (and both feet were in line with the bodywork of the vehicle), indicating that the killer was not left-handed and standing behind David Faraday. This could have produced a bullet entry point behind his left ear, but the killer's standing position would have created a buffer zone between David Faraday and the vehicle, preventing his body falling with his feet touching the right rear wheel. Everything points to David Faraday crumpling to the ground where he stood, with his back pressed firmly against the right rear window. The ejected casing from this shot likely landing on the front passenger floorwell of the Rambler (either directly, or via the angled open door).

There are comminuted fractures of both left and right temporal bones and sphenoid bones.
A "comminuted fracture of both left and right temporal bones and sphenoid bones" refers to a severe head injury where both the left and right temporal bones, as well as the sphenoid bone at the base of the skull, have fractured into multiple pieces. In other words the bullet, as stated in the autopsy report, followed a straight horizontal course from left to right, angling forward as it went (through the anterior margins of the left temporal lobe). This is consistent with a gun being pressed behind the left ear, horizontally positioned, slightly angled towards the front of David's head. Again, inconsistent with a killer standing to the right side of David Faraday, pointing a gun left-handed towards his head. The entry wound behind the ear flap, and the angle the shot was delivered, would not be natural for a left-handed shooter

The base of the frontal lobes in the midline and inferior borders of the left frontal lobe.
The inferior borders of the left frontal lobe include the lateral sulcus and the orbital sulcus. The lateral sulcus, also known as the Sylvian fissure, is a prominent groove on the brain's surface that separates the frontal and parietal lobes from the temporal lobe; while the orbital sulcus is a group of smaller grooves located on the inferior surface of the frontal lobe, specifically within the orbital region, dividing it into several orbital gyri. The horizontal course of the bullet from its entry point suggests that the bullet did not deviate as it passed through any bony structures. Our killer was almost certainly right-handed.

JIbberjabber

3/4/2025 10:30:36 pm

The only thing that makes me rub my eyes is for it to have happened like that (and I think it likely did) David Farraday has to rotate 180 degrees after being shot in the head so he comes to be lying on his back on the ground after his back being previously against the Rambler. I dont know anything about shots or shooting or how bodies react to being shot, is there anything unusual about a body doing a 180 degree turn like that instead of just crumpling to the ground in a heap? the sequence of events has to be consistent with the evidence and what you have presented absolutely is.at the risk of a stupid question can a body behave like that?

Richard

3/4/2025 11:19:53 pm

Absolutely it can, a few years I saw a video showing this very thing. If one leg gives way fractionally before the other the body will twist around He could have fell face down and been rolled over by the shooter. If he slumped immediately to the ground with any sort of momentum favouring one side, David could have struck the ground on either his left or right side and easily rolled over. But everything points to a kill shot with him standing in close proximity to the Rambler.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

3/5/2025 09:03:07 am

Great stuff as always @SirRichard.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

3/5/2025 08:54:20 am

I had the same problem @Jibber, with understanding how that plane that crashed in Toronto ended upside down. I had to see it to then understand, that I COULD NOT understand the forces at play to cause it to turn over. Even as I watched it.

But because of my slight familiarity with rigid body physics and other such things. I could totally understand how the body could turn like that.

Especially both after being violently terminated. Add to that, we don't know if the perp either grabbed him as he fell. Or at all moved the body.

I also agree with @SirRichard on the leg serving as a pivot.

Anyone who purveys the pugilistic sweet science, may have actually seen this. It's quite common when someone is knocked out in the ring.

One of the most common injuries when someone is laid out unconscious on their feet, is a sprained ankle believe it or not.

It's because, when the brain is shutoff, the body falls instantly and usually backwards. The knee bends, but the ankle does not rotate to move, so the whole body, especially if there's a slight twist to it, is actually rotating around the ankle, that would normally move to adjust in a conscious individual.

Because the ankle doesn't move, but the falling body, twisting in one axis (at the waist), while technically twisting in the other axis ( going from orthogonal, to parallel to the ground)

This twisting action breaks the ankle.

Fascinating stuff.

Richard

3/5/2025 09:11:20 am

Bang on SirEdward. Many head shots literally switch off all brain and motor function instantaneously and the body just falls like a sack of concrete. A lot also depends on the position of each leg (its angle in relation to the torso and floor) at the moment the gun was fired. Betty Lou was an example of a slower death, in that she got so far and her knees buckled, before collapsing backwards. Her final position depended on whether she was still able to move while on the ground, or whether she pivoted as she fell.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

3/5/2025 09:24:57 am

Just to add a little more color, as it may be hard to understand for both people who don't follow boxing, nor are students of things like rigid body physics.

As the body of a knocked out fighter is falling backwards, they are bending at the knee, because the legs give out.

They are usually hit from the front, which pushes them backwards, but the knees giving out, also causes them to collapse straight down.

It's a physics thing.

Because of the 2 forces acting on the body, there is a twisting action -- torsion.

The two forces are, back, and down. The backward causing force (The punch) provides what in aeronautics might be called an "axis tilt". It doesn't cause them to go in a perfect line backwards. Perfect lines would be hard to occur in nature.

The twisting is caused by any slight deviation from the stance and spine being perfectly straight and vertical. Standing straight up and down perfectly. Nobody does this in reality.

You will either fall slightly to the left, or slightly to the right.

What you may actually see when the fighter falls suddenly like this, is the knee will go forward.

if it's for example to the left. the left leg will be under them, the left knee goes out and the body/waist turns slightly to the left. But with the leg still underneath them, the foot will be forced to twist unnatural ly. The foot rotates at the ankle. The foot under all that pressure, with nowhere to go, breaks the ankle.

The force of them falling downwards and rotating to the left will force the foot, which is not moving, to twist at the ankle. Rotating it unnaturally until it breaks.

Think of a wooden man doll. Like you're holding it in your hands, and you rotate one of the legs by the foot. The whole leg will rotate, but if you continue to apply pressure the foot piece will snap off at the ankle.

It's kind of like that.

Hope that's makes sense.

Johnny

3/4/2025 11:57:08 pm

I know Rubislaw likes Cheri ( and she has the looks and seems driven aswell ), but i think this couple looks very kindhearted, a little conservative, not handsome but nice and neat in appearance.

Could Zodiac have the heart to take these people out if he knew? Maybe he disliked prudent people? The only happy thing with this, is that the two died together and the families have this in mind.

Johnny

3/5/2025 12:14:30 am

I have looked at the sketches again Richard, and i also have seen your comparison before. I think that the mouth is similar and also the nose, so i can definitely see what you implying. And why not, it could very well be the same individual!

One thing maybe we can say about it, is that the POI have a rather fine featured face, his mouth and nose are small. His head might be larger, but that could be because he is overweight and that he is swollen from that.

And @Edward. I saw your comment in the other article. Just saying, so you know im reading what you says!

Richard

3/5/2025 03:25:38 am

Absolutely, on first look the sketches look significantly different, but the errant nature of eyewitness identification could easily take these sketches closer, or further apart from one another. I think the location of both the Rayfield and PUC college girls sightings is more pertinent than their descriptions of the man. Both made the effort to report what they saw, so possibly considered what they viewed as significant.

EdEdwardsCiphers link

3/5/2025 08:55:36 am

No worries @Johnny. Thx for the shout out.

Jibberjabber

3/5/2025 12:01:23 pm

Great explanation guys Thanks. And as there are no expended shells to the rear of the Rambler, they are concentrated around the front passenger door, a gun barrel and shot to David's left had to have come from his left, which means he was facing forwards. I have been studying the case for more than 4 years now and only yesterday realised he was back to the car and not chest to the car before being shot.

Richard

3/5/2025 01:25:21 pm

And isn't a right-handed shooter a further nail in Allen's coffin?

EdEdwardsCiphers link

3/5/2025 05:45:14 pm

I believe I've read, where some try to make the case that Allen was ambidextrous.

I have a complicated thought on Allen. It's that he was a victim, not a suspect, of the Zodiac. I also believe this about Kane.

I'm not sure if I got this from Cameron's book. I might have. At least the part about Allen. Kane came later.

Rubislaw32 link

3/7/2025 04:02:39 pm

I certainly have sympathies with what you are saying, EdEdwardsCiphers.

The original finger-pointer of Allen, was Paul Avery.

The original finger-pointer of Kane, was the FBI.

Avery meant it, but was mistaken.

The FBI were cynical, in that they know who really is responsible for Donna Lass.

Who says ? Me. But, I reckon CA DOJ feel the same way.

Pedro link

3/6/2025 10:21:52 am

EdEdwardsCipherslink @3/5/2025 09:03:07 am:

"Great stuff as always" @SirRichard

Are you two having sex yet?

Richard

3/6/2025 11:26:55 am

At least have the decency to use your name Tom Voigt, because by posting childish comments you are just living up to your childish behaviour. You are a grown man in his 50s - start acting like it.

ZODCOM

3/6/2025 05:54:53 pm

@Rich
@Rubi
@all:)

reading through some articles i came to several postings from different MB-members about things i know nothing about. Sure, every word about that void object is kind of wasting lifetime, but since I was some 10++ years away of TZC, those bits and pieces of posts and "broken infos" made me curious what the full story might be.

1. Voigt did something criminal? In real?
2. Some friend/co-worker of him too?
3. What did void do on Morphs MB to upset people?
4. Where is Morphs MB/Website, it seems to be offline?
5. Why did Morph abandoned his MB/Website?
6. Was void reponsible Morph quitted?
7. And void comes over to this MB too, causing stress?
8. Something with DOJ and void, his last???
9. Is there even more? :)

I remember how he sold Stine tankards and ALA XXL-undertrousers. Stine beer mugs is already too distasteful but one can overlook it and supress the anger. Producing XXL-undertrousers with the counterfeit of an convicted pedo onto them - that's not a provocation against anti-ALA crowd, and also not some derailed joke, and certainly not some publicity stunt for promotional reasons to curb up website biz - that's open admiration for perverts, goes usually hand in hand with glorification and identification with them too.

Last thing I know there were rumors he would stalk people, I expected it would be then some male, perhaps Eddy:) No, turns out it was a female.

With british understatement and gin dry humor we could say: "It's a bit of a handful, isn't she?"

ZODCOM

3/6/2025 06:29:31 pm

*Eddy Neil

Richard

3/7/2025 01:02:46 am

I don't know the details of his past and don't like to speculate on things I know nothing about. I'll leave that to other people. Mike Morford's old Zodiac Killer Site forum is effectively archived, but can be accessed here https://forum.zodiackillerciphers.com/sign-in/

I'm not exactly sure why Mike packed in the forum, but he went heavily into podcasting as a career, creating numerous podcasts which placed time constraints on him. These podcasts take up a lot of time, much more than writing an article. I suspect moderating a forum with little financial benefit was the reason he stopped, and switched to a more career based endeavour. According to Mike he has remained friendly with Tom and respects his work, and I have heard nothing to suggest any fractious relationship between the two.

Tom Voigt has visited this website many times over the last decade, but unfortunately it is with the desired intention of picking holes and finding material to ridicule, rather than contributing in a constructive manner. He spends a lot of time surfing Reddit, YouTube, Facebook and other sites such as mine with the express intention of mockery, as opposed to using his time to investigate the Zodiac case and unearth new material. Nobody on his forum usually reply to his smears about me anymore because I suspect they are tired of it as well. The strange thing, is that he knows there are factual errors on his own website and forum, yet he refuses to correct them, while simultaneously calling out others for misinformation. I believe the overriding reason he insults other people is to acquire attention for himself. A bit like a screaming baby whose parents haven't bought him an ice-cream. Which is what he has achieved here. Unfortunately, for all the wrong reasons. I hope one day he ingratiates himself with a little more civility, although I won't hold my breath. It's a shame, but it is what it is.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 01:37:31 am

I see. Thanks for the informations.

Rubislaw32 link

3/7/2025 02:32:08 am

Mr Voigt has had run-ins with the law, Zodiac-related, more times than most have had hot dinners.

What was a ''watershed moment'' was ''Game-on-gate'' of March 2019, when he was effectively ''defrocked'' by Bay area PD's - who published ''Part 1'' of his rap sheet. In addition, his ''then-best buddy'' Toytown Terry Poyser being suspended until his retirement as a detective working for Vallejo PD, 10 months later.

All a bit shrouded in mystery, but the long and the short of it was that Voigt refused to assist law enforcement in catching a purveyor of graffiti to schools & colleges, threatening gun violence. Voigt's ''help'' would have involved allowing LE access to knowledge surrounding membership to his site - thereby increasing the chances of pinpointing this criminal, responsible for literally 100's of schoolchildren in a frightened state, and a number of education establishments having to temporarily close, until the criminal was caught.

LE obviously knew the nature of Voigt's site - fabrications, glove-puppets et al. But, they believed there was a good chance that the criminal was, or had been a member.

A chance for a ''Zodiac internet stalwart'' (Voigt) to actually assist LE in a real and serious crime. But clearly Voigt wouldn't budge from his position. Although plenty of TV coverage - students protesting and schoolchildren crying.

It was another three months before LE did apprehend the menacing graffiti guy. But ''no assistance'' from Voigt.

Humiliating for the Zodiac internet reputation, as a whole. It signaled the end of the ''old clique'' - with its sycophancy and elitism. Many left the scene. But Voigt still hangs on with grim determination, although long-since blacklisted by LE.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 03:33:15 am

Very interesting informations. Thanks for sharing them, Rubi.
If you have more, please continue, we are all ears!

See, those talks he had somewhere at the end of the 90s, that was not with regular LE like VPD, RPD, SFPD, etc.

Those were, lets say "other guys". He (Tom) highlikely did not even know with whom he had talked really. He highlikely thought: "No prob, they are all hot about the idea, and I am the admin, I am the webmaster, I have green lights - lets go."

Man, that went southwards.

He could have helped them (those regular LE) with that graffiti case without to endanger anything else. Why do those "other guys" choose dumb people for extremely complicated operations when they consider to work with rando civilians? I don't get it.

@Johnny
You had questions about our taste in music? Here is the solution: Tom waits...to be stripped off his rags ]8~)

I think EdEdwardsCipher had a hunch when he talked with you the other day. Btw Ed, great text...about games!

Rubislaw32 link

3/7/2025 03:52:21 am

It can be all too easy to continually ''dish the dirt'' - a tiresome business, some of which probably should be left in the past.

Personally - I just stand for a fight, no matter what size or quantity, against Disinformation - the deliberate and knowing purveying of misinformation.

Part of Voigt's naivety was that he didn't realize Toytown Terry Poyser had become an FBI stooge. And, I will state it once again: ''2 envelopes & a secret lab'' was a bare-faced lie to the world by the FBI, and facilitated by their then-stooge, Det Terry Poyser of the VPD.

Just one, of a collection of lies by the FBI, in their veritable campaign of Zodiac case disinformation - mostly put out since James Comey's dismissal in May 2017. ''Defeating the ends of Zodiac justice'' - a criminal offence.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 07:38:52 am

@Rubi
The thing is they all worked incognito, undercover, secretly, with lies and deceptions and everybody and their grandma pretended to be a very important "secret agent" on a veeeery dangerous mission. Gray mices suddenly became James Bond. They are not obliged to tell the public (or the perp) the truth! So their lying is not that unusual, its tactical. That is in regard of TZC.

Now, the political weaponisation of the FBI and other agencies, under the Biden regime, that's where all lines were crossed. Now lying and inventing and fabricating should cost not just some heads from top, if you ask me. But thats an totally other story and talking politics is not a wise thing. Btw, did you know that I hate islam? :)

Also the JFK case, for example, totaly other situation. If they try to hide, lie, and destroy evidence of their involvement, thats a completely other thing then to invent stories or to lie in public about the Z case.

I hope i was able to explain what i mean.

Rubislaw32 link

3/7/2025 10:03:53 am

Absolutely yes, ZODCOM.

One can only imagine how pissed-off CA DOJ have been. One is just not supposed to rat on one's fellow enforcers of the law.

When CA DOJ originally hired FBI as their Zodiac case Intelligence processors, after Darlene's murder - it was more a case of being lumbered with the FBI for that case task. It came ''part & parcel'' with extra federal funding. But, the FBI also came with a reputation for a set of skills thought to be suited to expediting a case solution.

Over the years it seems that the FBI have proven a veritable ''nightmare'' to have to work with.

I suspect that even Mr Trump is all too aware, now. But, is it too late to save the Zodiac case ?

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 02:04:11 pm

Rubi, thank you for the lengthly reply...and yet we didn't even touched some other cans of worms:) The involvement of NSA, and the work of the CIA. I am quite sure they operated "on their own" without any honest cooperation with CA-DOJ.

It was already a long day, maybe we'll come back to them another time.

Crazy theory, purely speculative, stuff for cold days:)
The Hardens were CIA assets!
Well, maybe not too crazy and not so speculative when one can recognize some patterns.

Imagine knowing that those pretorians are not to be trusted, technically that would be the secret service but FBI agents come right next to them. You did see what happened when that "kid" almost killed him...he waltzd freely through FBI and SS zones and belts of "security". We can call us very fortunate if King Trump can end his regency without us witnessing another tragedy like it was the case with JFK. I don't think its over, not for a second!

Rubislaw32 link

3/7/2025 02:39:30 pm

Yes, well I do freely admit that I'm very prejudiced against the FBI, with the Zodiac case. They have pro-actively worked and invested to defeat Zodiac justice for the last 10 years - and ''very industriously'' for the last 7, at least.

Only really sussed by certain prominent politicians, in the last 16 months.

With Mr Trump's assassination attempt, one notices the first thing the FBI wanted to make clear, was that it was ''local law enforcement's fault''. Well, it probably was, in the main - but this constant abdication of any responsibility at all, from the FBI, when there is a major ''f*ck-up'' is so often predictable FBI conduct.

With the Zodiac case, it is only now that they realize just how inept their contributions were - that they start investing heavily in trying to cover their tracks. As if they feel they have a divine right to simply walk away, without a blemish to their name.

The FBI constantly ''re-invent'' themselves. Well - NOT anymore.

With hope, and that the Zodiac case is still salvageable.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 04:38:19 pm

I came back, and I realize suddenly 5 new Z-documentaries were out there too. ALA docu looked very good but ALA was never the Zodiac - now they made it again as if ALA was the Zodiac. Like in 100% Zodiac, we just can't proove it to him. It's the same shitshow like in Riverside. A ton of new Z-books were released. Then I stumbled over Richs website, marked that immediately as very interesting, for later. That Z340cc was now suddenly "solved" and Voids website was transformed into some "Smartphone" format and simmilar AIDS:)

I analyzed their CARMELO mainframe TV-show. Then I scanned that flybrain Craig aka NSA-fella. Then I checked out Joe Orangehacks amazing work. That lead me to that Olsen clown. What I did next you saw a day or two ago - nutscaped them all:)
I can see why you say the FBI kind of industriosly and pro-actively are blocking the case or covering their tracks!

[ With Mr Trump's assassination attempt, one notices the first thing the FBI wanted to make clear, was that it was ''local law enforcement's fault''. ]

You are absolutely right. But the FBI is the far higher ranked organisation then some local PD. The FBI calls the shots not some local stallions:) They framed them, the FBI framed the local guys and made them look incompetent. Did you see those hearings following that event? The second in command, when that woman, that diversity hire, was forced to leave her chair as chief of the FBI. Her left hand assistent which then took over FBI...don't have his name right now, but he was very agressive during the hearings - "Yeah some minor mistakes were made but all in all FBI was totally innocent and did a excellent job" Mwhahahahahaha

[ With the Zodiac case, it is only now that they realize just how inept their contributions were - that they start investing heavily in trying to cover their tracks. As if they feel they have a divine right to simply walk away, without a blemish to their name. The FBI constantly ''re-invent'' themselves. Well - NOT anymore. With hope, and that the Zodiac case is still salvageable. ]

I am writing a long answer to you, right now, regarding the question if this case can be solved. I fear you won't like the answer. Nobody is going to like that answer. But there is a bit of last hope at the end.

Rubislaw32 link

3/7/2025 04:56:27 pm

You put that across very well, ZODCOM.

I believe that Mr Trump would like the case solved - then all the postmortems can be dealt with by the press, as to apportioning blame for it taking 56 years. But, he might be a tad over-optimistic, given the legal red-tape to negotiate.

Stanley Kubrick once said: ''Never place faith in people with genuine power. They will always let you down.''.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 06:22:51 pm

EDIT:
AND A FAT ONE:)

I meant diversity hire Kimberly Cheatle and she was SECERT SERVICE not FBI and her second in command had later those congressional hearings. And so far I know, as of today, the public still knows nothing about how that even could have happened.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 06:38:53 pm

I mixed them so easily because they are for me one and the same. During the Biden regime and their ideology and indoctrination...well, quite franky they turned some branches and the DOJ into statepolice of the neofascist brand. God thanks the american people voted Trump...it was 3to12!

Funny how we did not wanted to talk about politics, in order not to upset MB people which are maybe of totally opposite opinion. Rubi, we are devils:)

Rubislaw32 link

3/7/2025 07:17:18 pm

Well, yes...once one is into politics, it can be difficult to get out of.

But - politics to do with law enforcement.

Politicians and law enforcement public servants often end up battling with each other for power. ''Checks and balances'', and all that goes along with it.

But, politicians hold the purse strings.

I think Kubrick meant that even if a politician assures you of something, something else will conspire to compromise the politician's priorities - with one's assurance ending up the loser.

Hope Trump can make the Zodiac case ''happen''.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 08:48:40 pm

“I think the big mistake in schools is trying to teach children anything, and by using fear as the basic motivation.”

(Stanley Kubrick)

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 08:55:27 pm

I wait for the day when I type in ZODIAC instead of ZODCOM as username and then send it by accident away - it almost happened 5sec ago :)))

@Rubi
You asked me if there is hope for solving TZC, now that Mr.Trump...I fear TZC is too specific to appear on their radar, and they have already a ton to do with JFKs case alone. Unfotunately, I think they would find Jimmy Hoffa first before solving TZC.

Now the absolute shocker, I believe since almost 20 years that they have nothing from/about Zodiac. It sounds like Horans school, but I am not from there:)

I don't even believe they have that partial DNA-print, they definitely have something, but thats not Zs.

Handwriting, faked.

Casings from LHR and BRS? No DNA whatsoever, not even touch-DNA, and if, it's not from Zodiac.

That one hairy stamp won't not do it either. Does it even exist or is it again just some cunning plan? I know, I may not know it, and I may not say it because I can not know it, and if I still decide to say it that it never existed then I must be lying - The Dru Paradigm, and I like Dru :) Okay, but I know it in my bones...so I must be lying then. Good.

Same goes for as all other stamps+envelopes without any hairs. It was 1966 if you think CJB confession letters were send by Zodiac, again 1966 not 1622 :)

Walker boots imprints are highlikley faked by wrong shoesize. Wingwalkers were mass-produced, leads investigators to military bases, fake clew.

Barell-chested, faked.

Perv on LB, not Zodiac.

LB clothes line...touch DNA, they can't/won't find any, and if, I would almost quarantee its not Z's.

Carman Ghia door...touch DNA, can't find any and if, I would almost quarantee its not Z's.

Where is the LB blanket? Maybe some hair there? Maybe some fibers? That could be a possibility, but we didn't see the blanket since decades.

Napa phone booth fingerprints, 30-40 different ones?
Come on, don't joke with us, or with yourselves, dear LE's :)

The list goes on.

No Z-fingerprints in or on Steins taxi, not partially, nor full. And if, not Z! I would really urinate a load of 5ml into my pants if they somehow would be able to find out that those inside taxi fingerprint(s) belonged to a fresh severed hand, that is fingers of such a hand.

Also nokind of any partial prints or hand smearings over letters and cards, none of nothing would be still too much of that all what they claim to have.

Now the best one :)
"He would have not know in the 60s and 70s about DNA-technology coming in the mid-80s and getting better and better by year."

So did not the police and thatfor most if not all DNA were destroyed by handling or storing "evidence" wrong.

Why do I think all "found evidence" is not from Z? Because he spend years reading BOOKS instead of some DRECK like COMICS, and he was/is an extremely curious individual. As an kid and later teenager he must have been wandering through libraries and sponged the knowledge of every book/popular science magazine/topic which interested him. So, suddenly just the area of medicine didn't interested him? As an teenager he was not fascinated with forensic medicine, dead bodys, the death in general, books and photos about autopsies?

So, it's all about geneaology then again?
Noway, it's more of a gynecology thingy :)

Listen, for all I know how intense that Zodiac must have been, as soon that trend with those "find your ancesters" advertisments came around he may have very well killed all his relatives just to be sure nobody licks any cotton-swabs and fucks around inside his territory of control.

LE should test every bit of evidence they have for DNA and not listen nor read what I wrote.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 10:46:40 pm

Gene Hackman followup
No crime, but the circumstances are still very sad, didn't knew he had alzheimer. She had Hunter Virus infection..holy sh...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/just-cause-death-revealed-gene-hackman-his-wife/

Rubislaw32 link

3/8/2025 01:45:07 am

To each his own, ZODCOM - and it would indeed be strange, if we all had the same perception of the Zodiac case.

One thing I do believe, with documentation available to back it up, is, that Lyndon Lafferty did catch then-sitting President Bush's attention, with DNA testing carried out at Quantico, to clear a perceived backlog of up to 250 Zodiac POI's. And, this appears to have been the only significant Zodiac task that then-FBI Director Robert Mueller oversaw on behalf of case custodians CA DOJ (circa 2002/2003).

Furthermore, three high-profile POI's were signed-off as a negative DNA match to the DNA of the Zodiac: Arthur Leigh Allen, Don Cheney and William Joseph Grant.

Despite ''perennially'' being negatively criticized - this clearance work has never been rescinded - and remains signed-off by Mueller, CA DOJ and President G W Bush.

What grounds do critics have for this work ? It doesn't suit their personal Zodiac narrative. I know that Lafferty was ''livid'' - but he effectively got what he asked for - a test of DNA comparisons, that came back negative for his personal suspect W J Grant.

Rubislaw32 link

3/8/2025 02:04:07 am

Indeed, very sad initial findings on Gene Hackman. His wife died a week before him, and he hung around in an ''Alzheimer's'' state, before passing away himself. Undernourished, but not dehydrated.

Rubislaw32 link

3/8/2025 03:05:38 am

In fairness to the late, and great bloodhound Lafferty - CA DOJ informed Lafferty that Grant had failed 3 out of their 5 criteria for a DNA match.

So - Lafferty's ''almost predictable'' retort was: ''Does that mean Grant's and the Zodiac's DNA are 40% identical ? ''. CA DOJ were not prepared to comment further.

Observers might note such things as a human and a daffodil share that sort of DNA duplication. But, Lafferty did have a right to ask such a question - since CA DOJ had made up the rules on grounds for a match.

Note: A human inherits 50% of their DNA from their biological mother, and 50% of their DNA from their biological father.

ZODCOM

3/8/2025 07:24:17 am

"To each his own..."

I confess, text was at times a bit snotty, in no way I tried to ridicule you. Originally it was just a list adressing nobody in particular.

Say, that detective Lafferty seems to be higly respected by some, where Void & friends ridiculed first him and later his book in various posts.

What can you tell me about that book? Is it a good read for someone who has no Z suspect at all, or is it mainly and mostly only about that Grant POI? And in case it is a good one, it would be hard to get because of self publication, out of print, or some other crazy reasons, right? :)

Do you know wherefrom he managed to get any DNA? I mean from what piece(s) of evidence exactly, if that info is even known or released for public.

Actually, please tell me everything what you know and think about detective Lafferty, even if it ends up being 20 pages long. IF you have time for that, and if you would like to.

Thank you so far, Rubi. As always, we learn alot from your postings.

ZODCOM

3/8/2025 08:05:29 am

What I can not understand, Gene had 3 kids, how can they leave their father alone in that state of mind? I imagine he was highlikely very difficult to deal with because of far progressed alzheimers, but you can't abandon your father/parents or leave them just to vegetate, especially not when that person is/was an exceptionally good human which raised you up and gave you everything you ever wanted. For f**** sake the family had millions of dollars, so it was still not possible to install one little check-cam around trashcans or mailbox, or one emergency button connected to the house of one of the kids? How fuckedup in their souls they turned out to be, those 3 kids? I am really angry.

Rubislaw32 link

3/8/2025 10:08:21 am

With Lafferty, I worked with him over the course of a year, mostly going through what was available on Grant's background, and some points Lafferty made in his book. He knew that I didn't believe Grant himself was the Zodiac - but we had enough common ground to get along, which we did well. Lafferty had largely kept his LE enforcement relationship to CA DOJ, over the course of his ''more than'' 40 years investigating Grant as the Zodiac, who died in 2012. In later years, Lafferty's book ''The Silenced Badge'' was then written, with a prior publishing deal. It was ready for publication, as soon as Grant died.

A problem for many is that, due to legal issues, many of the real people mentioned in his book had to be assigned pseudonyms. So, there is, to an extent, an extra layer of mystery therefore, which needs ''translating'' in order to grasp the full meaning from his book. The main reason is that, for many years, Grant was an, in effect, ''illegal suspect'', having been granted a court injunction against all of law enforcement in 1973. This, for proven Police Harassment (at the hands of Vallejo PD), in a court of law.

Vallejo PD then had ''their knuckles rapped'' by CA DOJ, for producing the illegal ''Husted Report'' - which in effect, finger-pointed Grant as the Zodiac. The Husted Report is likely a strange combination of truth and downright ''hearsay'' unsubstantiated. But, clearly Vallejo PD were hurting over having been blamed for the curtailment of a Zodiac line of inquiry which involved Grant. No one has actually said that Grant was the Zodiac - but there are inferences that Vallejo PD believed that Grant was holding something back, and that he Grant, would lead investigators to the Zodiac. Probably (?) down to a belief that the Zodiac had been impersonating Grant, when becoming the Zodiac - and was emotionally blackmailing Grant.

Lafferty's book is still available to buy, but has always remained in hardback - making it a relatively expensive outlay. At certain times, the publishers make it available to read for free, online - probably to promote its sales.

Rubislaw32 link

3/8/2025 10:52:55 am

It's no secret, as I have made plain at zodiackillermystery.freeforums.net that I claim that I knew the Zodiac for 30 years - though clearly not as well as I thought I did (ironic LOL). I last really talked to him, when he turned up at my mother's funeral (2011). ''The Zodiac'' traveled a lot, and sometimes I wouldn't see him for more than a year at a time. I met his mother once - a lovely lady.

What was he like ? I still wonder, to this day, that question now. ''The Zodiac'' once said to me:

''70% of the world are turkeys. And of the remainder, most lack imagination.''.

But, regardless of whether or not I am correct in my assertion, I still believe in ''motive'': The Zodiac was persecuting William Grant, by attempting to fit Grant up for murder. He would have stopped after Lake Herman Road, had he succeeded. A connection ? The Zodiac was Grant's bastard son.

ZODCOM

3/8/2025 12:29:47 pm

Geeeez...I did not know you worked with him and knew him for real and in real. Is Mr.Lafferty himself still alive, do you have contact to him?

Well, I did find informations about that book on Butterfield's website...and in combination with all that masking of names what you told me, I guess its too specific and mostly Grant related.

So, nobody knows something concrete about where some "Z-DNA" came from, which they then tested aginst ALAs, Chaneys and Grants DNA, which then, in all 3 cases turned out to be negative...except the thing with a high percentage for Grant.

Why would Dr.Holt test whatever-DNA against ALA-DNA if ALA was already cleared by the Lafferty series of tests? Would you have any idea?

Rubislaw32 link

3/8/2025 01:37:26 pm

That Dr Holt business was just part of a public relations exercise, for the benefit of TV folk, also. SFPD given permission by CA DOJ.

CA DOJ almost exclusively used Quantico for the Zodiac case, and when they were on reasonably good terms with the FBI.

Where was the Zodiac's DNA acquired ? The short answer - I don't know. But, a possible answer is The Mikado double-LP, taken out from the Carnegie Library, Vallejo, by someone impersonating William Grant. From Feb 5th 1968 to March 17th 1970. It was thrashed to death - and no one had taken it out before - nor took it out after the man signing for William Grant - when Lafferty came across it. Lafferty handed the double-LP and Library details to CA DOJ.

So - one possible source. But, they likely had so many other options to double-check with other letters, or similar.

''2 envelopes & a secret lab'' ? - what a con, in that it gave a false impression that the Zodiac's DNA had not been established, to then-date.

ZODCOM

3/8/2025 02:20:05 pm

Rubi, thx for all the answeres so far.

Now, and sorry if I appear somwhat indescrete, but now I have some other quastions (as if that would be something new:)

So you had contact and worked with Mr.Lafferty, which I learned from you just a few minutes ago. Then, you wrote this approx. 1h ago in the other thread:

My assigned liaison officer was a Det Sgt xxxx xxxxxx, seconded to the Brenda Page murder re-investigation (Feb 27th 2015). I badgered him at least three times about the Scotch Tape letter. He wouldn't budge an answer.

Are you some kind of P.I.?
Maybe even cop or ex-cop?
Brenda Page was some british case if I not err?
So you are maybe a british cop?
Rubi, don't tell me now you are some CIM dude :)

ZODCOM

3/8/2025 02:48:05 pm

And on: zodiackillermystery.freeforums.net
is at least one person which shits the bed when hearing your name...mwhahahahahahahahahahha

No matter who or what you are, I can attest you that The Zodiac would not be able to poison your mind. Of course I talk about some other Zodiac, not the one you met :)

ZODCOM

3/8/2025 03:27:08 pm

"That's all for now, folks - as has been said."

What now? You are leaving?
Yeah, sorry I took very much time from you.
What an interesting person you are, a mathematician turned himself into "inofficial" P.I., that's almost and close to undercover! Just a couple of decades earlier and we might have been labeling you kind of a SOE...Operation Postmaster and such things...maybe without grenades and gun but administrative level.

In case you are not leaving now and I misunderstood it...

So you try these days still to connect somehow that son of WG to TZC?

Otherwise, thank you very much for your time and all the answering in such detail.

Rubislaw32 link

3/8/2025 04:08:23 pm

Well,thanks for your interest and compliments, ZODCOM.

You show a keen interest in the case, yourself.

I'll probably still be around.It's just that I find it necessary to allocate time to what might be going on ''behind the scenes'', if a case resolution is to be reached - in some shape or form.

I believe that Trump resuming his office has made a difference. But, one can never be sure how far he is able to take it. The Zodiac isn't Zodiac until being convicted of having assumed this persona - and, of murder. Plus, that ''conviction'' only coming about, if he can be persuaded to agree to a plea deal. A reliance on CA DOJ, will be required.

ZODCOM

3/8/2025 05:03:37 pm

Here are my viewpoints.

Trump definitely makes massive changes in the right directions. Kash Patel is going to root out all the corruption established under Mueller & Comey. Simoultaneosly they want absolute transparency for the JFK, Bobby Kennedy and MLK cases, means releasing all formely classified docs. That Epstein swamp is the first of those cases.

So you see they have really a shitton of work to do which could easly take up 2 years alone, and only if they keep the pace like it is right now.

So, I hope, but I really don't see they would pick TZC and do what has to be done in order to MAYBE solve it. Like said, I personally believe they have nothing from Zodiac, if they have, thanks god, truly enough Z-DNA material to run through geneaology sites they should do it. They should also re-test every evidence and at least all main suspects.

ZODCOM

3/8/2025 05:26:52 pm

Somebody should call or contact one of the 3 Trump kids, maybe Barron did read Graysmith and did find it fascinating. Whatever. Take Ken Maine and his organisation, bring them together with Richard Walter of the Vidocq organisation.

Now, suddenly Richard Walter alledgedly forged or faked some data in 2023 and is not the hero anymore he once was. I don't know if he turned really dirty maybe its politics and he got victimised. The one thing I do know is that his Z-profile was/is the best which I ever saw.

The best of those 2 organisations shoud build a team of say 30 people in total and visit all those "archives" where they store Z-related things. VPD, NSO, SFPD, CA-DOJ, etc. Collect and review all and bring that all into one single place!

Then work on it, private labs do the masstesting for DNA,
results should be in within 3 months not 13 years. With that they search geneaology sites. Meanwhile Walter prepares a detailed profile, because in Rodellis book it was only rudimentary done.

That should be done, not every of those PDs keeping their things for themselves, storing it wrong, losing it, etc.

ZODCOM

3/8/2025 05:52:35 pm

Inside that entire story of - bringing PDs together - one has to factor in FBI, NSA, CIA and whatnot too. Of course those are all laymans daydreams (mine;) and is never going to happen really. Thatfor I am not so euphoric we would see soon any TZC movement or even partially, not to mention fully, solved.

Rubislaw32 link

3/8/2025 02:44:28 pm

I'm a graduate mathematician. Turned gumshoe, to compile dossiers on cold cases for the cops. Now retired as an internet sleuth.

The cops liked one of my dossiers so much, that I ended up being questioned as an actual suspect for one of the murders (LOL ironically). They couldn't figure out how I knew that much.

Anyways...I started looking to California, and picked-up first on the Hitchhiker murders. Then, came across the Zodiac case.

It was after seeing a photo of William Grant - that I fell off my chair - literally.

That's all for now, folks - as has been said.

ZODCOM²

3/7/2025 02:09:18 am

199x. He was and probably still is some kind of a spider. He had some talks, they were amazed about the possibilitys, some "higherups" gave him the green lights. In short, a bunch of Baldricks had their cunning plan. Spider against Tigerpython that's funny. And like always, they came under-armed to every fight, and as always, with their biggest weapon turned off, namely their brainZ

ZODCOM²

3/7/2025 02:23:29 am

How do you infitrate something what infitrates you without that you know about? Like said, a bunch of Baldrics, it's a dirty comedy if it wouldn't be a happy tragedy.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 02:41:23 am

...and Richard, you are officially ZODCOM approved, congratulations Sir!

Richard

3/7/2025 06:49:09 am

Kindly appreciated young chap. Got a nice story coming soon.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 07:55:58 am

Keewl, Sir Richard :)
Can't wait to read that one, I have only 900 other of your pages in front of me. Man did you invensted time and heartblood into that all - respect!

Richard

3/7/2025 12:54:29 pm

God, I had such a good find on the way, but it's fell through at the last hurdle. Damn. Sorry Zodcom.

ZODCOM

3/7/2025 01:31:29 pm

Don't worry. I am sure you'll dig out something else. Ahhh, I really liked that Riverside priest story. I would almost give my right little finger for police reports and crime scene photos....daydreaming:)

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