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RICHARD GRINELL, COVENTRY, ENGLAND
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A MESSAGE FROM THE GRAVE

3/21/2025

 
PictureKathy Bilek, murdered April 11th 1971
The Zodiac Killer would employ various tactics to prove that the letters he mailed were actually authored by the murderer himself, such as removing a section of Paul Stine's shirt at Presidio Heights on October 11th 1969 and sending part of it to the San Francisco Chronicle two days later. He repeated this grisly tactic on November 9th 1969, and in a letter to Melvin Belli on December 20th 1969. However, this wasn't the only sinister tactic the Zodiac Killer employed when mailing a letter to Melvin Belli at 1228 Montgomery Street, San Francisco. He seemingly either photographed or recorded on paper the font style of the numbers from the residence, or made a mental note of their design, because the numbers 1228 on his envelope mailed to Melvin Belli, matched those on the front of the house. Was this a message from the Zodiac Killer to show he had visited the residence of Melvin Belli, and that nobody was beyond his reach?

​To prove he was the knife attacker at Lake Berryessa on September 27th 1969, he took his writing to the crime scene. The Zodiac would, in the attacks at Presidio Heights and Lake Berryessa, take the scene to his writing, or take his writing to the scene.

On July 13th 1971, the Zodiac Killer would mail the Monticello card to the San Francisco Chronicle insinuating his involvement in the murder of Kathy Bilek (18) in the Villa Montalvo woods of Saratoga on April 11th 1971 - and paste the message "Near Monticello Shought Victims 21 .... In The Woods Dies April" onto the communication. The Zodiac Killer had long claimed the murders of Kathie Reyne Snoozy (15) and Debra Gaye Furlong (14), murdered in San Jose on August 3rd 1969, by initially adding them to his victim total on November 8th 1969. These three murders had recently been attributed to Karl Francis Werner, a resident youth from San Jose. The Zodiac Killer now had the option of relinquishing his grip on the murders of Snoozy & Furlong, or choose to claim all three. He took the latter option by mailing the Monticello card and informing the police that Kathy Bilek was murdered "Near Monticello". The Monticello neighborhood of San Jose housed the Oak Hill Memorial Park & Cemetery, where Kathie Snoozy was buried in 1969. 

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Two years after the Monticello card was mailed, on September 18th 1973, somebody entered the Oak Hill Memorial Park & Cemetery and removed a tombstone from a grave, and deposited it at the front gate of the cemetery for all to see. On the tombstone, written in crayon, was the pseudonym "Zodiac". Bearing in mind that the Monticello card was not currently in the public domain, it doesn't require Sherlock Holmes to work out that the Zodiac Killer had visited this cemetery and removed the tombstone of Kathie Snoozy, a victim he once claimed as his own. It seemed that after two years he still couldn't relinquish the young girl from his running murder count. 

​But one thing stands out in this newspaper cutting: The pseudonym "Zodiac" was written in crayon, not in his usual blue marker pen, or possibly chalk. The decision to use crayon as a writing implement appeared like an unusual first choice to leave a message in a cemetery (unless he expected rain in the short time the tombstone would lay undiscovered. See foot of article). This may indicate that the Zodiac Killer, although leaving the tombstone at the front cemetery gate to send a message to law enforcement, he may have taken something else away with him. Crayon (a stick of pigmented wax) is commonly used in gravestone rubbing, 
a technique used to create an impression of a gravestone's inscription by rubbing either a crayon, charcoal, or wax against a sheet of paper placed on the stone. Maybe he left a message, and took a message away.
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Just like the mimicry of the font numbers from Melvin Belli's residence, had the Zodiac Killer taken a gravestone rubbing from the once tombstone font of Kathie Reyne Snoozy, to mail to the San Francisco Chronicle at a later date? Was the Zodiac Killer once again taking something from a crime victim to mail to the newspapers, as he had done with the body of Paul Stine on October 11th 1969? If the Zodiac Killer had taken a crayon to the tombstone of Kathie Reyne Snoozy on September 18th 1973, did he have second thoughts about mailing it inside a letter? Or did he mail it to the San Francisco Chronicle, but out of respect for the family and public decency, they decided not to release it into the public domain? Just like they may have opted to do with the Monticello card two years earlier. This begs the question as to what imagery did the Monticello card contain, when its predecessor, the March 22nd 1971 "Pines Card", was widely publicized.   

# The weather in San Jose in September 1973 was consistently above 70 degress Fahrenheit. Only one day fell below, and there was no rain from September 1st 1973 to September 22nd 1973. 
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A FOUR YEAR JOURNEY TO TOMBSTONE ​      

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EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/21/2025 12:04:07 pm

𝔻earest 𝓡ichard ,🖍️

𝔗he ability to me, to be able to look at the writing across the street. Taken from the house number from a house 🏘️sign, and be able to reproduce it from the scene, if one was parked there --much less from memory, is something I have to believe is a bit of a talent.

𝑰, for one, believe that the 𝒵odiac did have that talent. Bolstering this belief of mine, is the statement by Graysmith, that the 𝒵odiac may have been a cartoonist like him. I would think, this is because, like cartooning, typography is considered an art form.🎭

𝑰 know I could not do that. I believe it's an "intelligence" that one either has, or can develop. I do not have it innately. I imagine not many people would have it. Artistry has been known to be something that flourishes in the right hemisphere of the brain, whereas logic predominantly lives in the left side of the brain.

𝕿he use of the 🖍️crayon, could have been as you posited. I really like that idea. He could have also had access to the crayons from his kids who somehow got them into the backseat of his car. I remember a statement from the "Johns" incident where it was mentioned he either had strange papers in the backseat or some such clutter that suggested he had a family.

𝓦e may never know if any of it is related, but it is interesting to speculate that somehow this is all connected. ⛓️‍💥

𝑰've mentioned before, that I believe that this person had a very strong understanding of Typography. This would require not necessarily an artistic background, but it could allude to a strong artistic capability.

𝓑y artistic , I mean, conceptual thinking. Things like order, orientation, spatial thinking. These would all come into play, at the time of writing a letter, or creation of a cipher.

𝕿he writing, and the time of putting the pen to paper, could have been a sort of respite, or to use the common parlance, "a safe space" for him. This is what I believe it was.

𝕿he ability to write something that is forcing everyone to think one way (solving a murder), while something else is hidden inside the writing itself (an artistic expression), could serve as a puzzle for those who would only be employing half the side of their brain (kudos to Lawrence 🧠Kane).

𝑰f this person had the capability to remember and recreate a font from sight across a street, and to create puzzling scenarios for police to catch him, while also creating unbreakable-for-50-years ciphers, then this could really be a person with a high IQ.

𝓦e may need a whole brain, to catch him. I have half a mind that we eventually will 😜

🗝️

Richard
3/21/2025 02:34:51 pm

I have been looking Ed for what drew him back out on September 18th 1973, and I found a taxicab murder in San Francisco on September 10th 1973, that briefly brought up the name of Zodiac once again. The taxicab driver, Roland J. Canfield, was shot behind the right ear while responding to a radio call to an address that turned out fictitious. Upon his arrival he informed dispatch that the address didn't exist - and just as he had done so - it "just so happened" - a man hailed his tacicab from across the street, at the intersection of Noe & 27th Streets at around 4pm. Money was taken from his wallet, but the strongbox hadn't been broken into. Homicide detective William Armstrong declined to comment on Zodiac involvement. No gun was recovered.

Three days later Toschi and Armstrong arrested James A. Montano at 300 Tompkins Street. Canfield was the first Yellow Cab driver to be killed since Fred Hooper on November 24th 1971, stabbed to death in Hunters Point. By January 14th 1974 the jury in the trial of James Montano failed to reach a verdict on his guilt. This was the second trial that failed to convict James Montano. I can't find any further updates on this Yellow Cab murder, so I guess it's still unsolved. Unless somebody has access to a bigger newspaper database that says otherwise. Whether this was Zodiac or not (and I have nothing to suspect it was), did the Zodiac read this in the newspapers and it invigorated him into the malevolent act on September 18th 1973. The only two newspapers I found that covered this story was the San Jose Mercury and San Francisco Chronicle. Maybe that's why he acted out in San Jose a few days later, targeting the cemetery of a previous claimed victim.

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Richard link
3/21/2025 02:42:48 pm

Here is a link to the Chronicle article on September 11th 1973.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/21/2025 06:31:19 pm

@𝓢irℝichard,

🅸f I were the 𝒵odiac, and if I lived nearby that area. Not the one you refer to, by the phone☎️, but by where Stine died🚖. If I was nothing but a two-bit rat, who got upset that someone stole my clout in the press📰🕵️‍♂️, by committing a rickety quick stick-up nearby me.

I might throw a fit.💥

🅦hy reinvent the wheel?

It's ℳurder after all. And it serves the purposes of me, if I'm the killer, to confuse, and not clarify.🔍

🅲ommit a murder, make it similar to another ℳurder, assault (gone bad) nearby where I am, as it's convenient to me. Also, that guy stole my press📰. That's a problem.

🅃hat's my 𝓉hinking on i𝑡. It's not much, but iⓣ's a 𝐭hough𝒕.

🗝️

Rubislaw32 link
3/21/2025 02:13:53 pm

Worth noting how the suspicion landscape lay with the Zodiac, in relation to Snoozy & Furlong - murder victims from August 1969.

1) Jurisdiction investigators San Jose PD were not convinced that the Zodiac was responsible for Snoozy & Furlong.

2) SFPD, who had a general Zodiac remit from CA DOJ, as case investigators, understood San Jose PD's position, but kept the possibility of Zodiac's responsibility for Snoozy & Furlong, as ''open''.

With Bilek's murder in April 1971, and Karl Werner's subsequent arrest for all three girls, this was immediately accepted by SFPD. Further investigations by both San Jose PD & SFPD uncovered that Werner had a cast-iron alibi for at least one of the Zodiac's recognized and confirmed attacks. Werner had been in Marlborough MA at the time.

And so Werner was dropped as a then Zodiac suspect - later to plead guilty for Snoozy, Furlong and Bilek, and convicted in September 1971.

At that point the real Zodiac was stuffed beyond any doubt, for having taken responsibility for what had actually been Werner's 3 murders.

Rubislaw32 link
3/21/2025 02:42:49 pm

So, what are we the public seeing, so far, on the real Zodiac's claims for what turned out to be Werner's three murders ?

1) The Zodiac left ''6.30'' on Bryan Hartnell's car - a time documented in newspapers as a curfew time given to Snoozy & Furlong by their respective parents. When they didn't return home, an alarm went out.

2) In the Dripping Pen card of Nov 1969, the Zodiac alluded to seven murder victims, including in the month of August 1969.

3) The Monticello card, of which it is assumed the Zodiac was at least claiming for Kathy Bilek.

4) The Zodiac's Z148 cipher and accompanying writings, demanding ''not'' to listen to ''those phoneys'' - whom we assume referred to San Jose PD investigators. Also, a reference to ''3 little kids''.

Not a ''huge'' amount ? It does seem likely that the Zodiac might have conveyed more ''telling'' responsibility for Snoozy & Furong. But to date, we the public have yet to conclusively see anything extra.

Richard link
3/21/2025 02:47:37 pm

[5] Zodiac was referring to Karl Francis Werner and Eric Weill, telling law enforcement not to listen to these phonys.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/uploads/4/9/7/1/4971630/editor/phony-orig-2.png?1715347760

Rubislaw32 link
3/21/2025 02:52:39 pm

Yes, Richard - I'm ''all in'' for the gravestone of Kathy Snoozy removed, September 18th 1973 - by the real Zodiac.

A protest of frustration for him, at the unfolding of his credibility for murder claims, in 1971 - two years earlier.

Rubislaw32 link
3/21/2025 02:57:45 pm

Thanks, Richard, for the Werner & Weill reference. I suppose it's possible he had investigators San Jose PD in mind, also ?

After all, it is they who actually undid for him.

Cragle
3/21/2025 03:19:50 pm

Apart from the August “Albany letter”. In July 73 there was an individual living in Vallejo who was contacting local authorities and the FBi regarding with their “findings” in regards to the ciphers. Coincidentally the FBi replied with a letter (dated Sept 10th) advising that they could not help and would not help this individual with analysis of their “findings”.

Richard
3/21/2025 03:40:26 pm

That is curious - the suggestion being that this individual could have been Zodiac playing games with the FBI and authorities from his Vallejo residence. Was this in the FBI Files 1 to 6 Cragle.

Richard
3/21/2025 03:43:02 pm

Found it - FILE 4, PAGE 116.

Cragle
3/21/2025 04:23:18 pm

Probably just a coincidence but the timing is interesting 🤷‍♂️

ZODCOM
3/21/2025 04:16:08 pm

Just free brainstorming...
I just want to read the comments and won't comment myself. What does the message board and all those, who just watched but never posted, think the Zodiac did what he did? What was the motivation to put himself through all that risk and stress for decades? The guy must have had very serious reasons for his "campaign".

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/21/2025 06:05:26 pm

@⨁com

𝑰'm not one that hasn't posted (double negative💣), but I have a theory. Hopefully it's ok that I post this response to your thread🧵, even though I may not qualify.

Also apologies to @𝓢ir𝓡ichard, for a minor topic detour.

𝓑ut your question ⨁com, is one that I put forward to many in the community. I would ask why anyone's suspect would both be killing, and name himself 𝒵odiac? Is there a connection?⛓️‍💥

𝑰've not gotten any satisfying or convincing answers. The single one that comes up is for Allen, and involves either a watch, or a car🚖.

𝑰'm not convinced of either.

𝕿here's usually a deeper motivation for murder, or one that makes sense. Something like Kaczynski💣💥 for ex. Some will say, or point to outliers -- but will not take into account, the apparent sophistication of the murders attributed to 𝒵odiac, and also the totality of the work; Terror, murder🔪, and cryptogram ciphers. These would be countervailing to their arguments.

𝑰've come upon a theory myself. It's ridiculous on its face. But I've come to really believe it to be true.✞

𝑰 believe I do understand both the reasons for the murders, as well as the reason for the name 𝒵odiac. They are related. Hot take incoming🔥.

𝒵odiac does not refer to a watch, nor a car. Nor for that matter -- a gunsight. I believe those are all incidental. In cryptographic terms, they might be considered homophones -- or more accurately, nulls. Meaning that they seem to be related and have meaning, but are not connected unless one makes a decryption to discover what they really mean.

🄷e was a 𝒵odiac. He called himself that, which is a type of --- what he was. He did not NAME himself for what the "other" name for what he really was, was. This gives him plausible deniability from "others" that would have called themselves the thing that has proximity to - a 🅩odiac.

🅼eaning he misdirects from the general populace calling him what he really was, and he misdirects from others that might know what a Zodiac was. It's brilliant. He's essentially encrypted🔐 from "both sides"

🗝️

Rubislaw32 link
3/21/2025 07:22:32 pm

There are so many theories on this, EdEdwardsCiphers, and anything you put forward is probably as sound as anyone's.

I have a ''pet'' one that he may have named himself after a town in Texas called Zodiac. It doesn't exist anymore, when the townsfolk all left following a series of floods. It and its cemetery were simply buried by soil at a later date, and it exists now as ploughed fields for cotton harvests. All that is left apart, is a large tombstone marking where Zodiac once was, and coach parties stop simply to look, on their way to visit Lyndon B Johnson's birthplace at Stonewall TX.

It may just be that the Zodiac, seemly an avid readers of newspapers, read his horoscope every day, whether he believed in Astrology or not - and got the idea from the signs of the Zodiac.

I think it ''sort of '' doesn't matter - it was a persona, and the fact that he elected to adopt a persona, is what is really pertinent about him.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/21/2025 07:48:16 pm

@Rubi,

I guess that's true. Thanks for the validation.

For me, what's different about my theory is, it fits, like a puzzle piece. Like a 🔑

⨁𝒵odiac connects to the overarching theme. It explains the reason for all the murders. It defines his ideology.

⨁𝒵odiac connects to cipher creation. Connects to the study of ciphers. It explains how ciphers, and encryption connects to him.

⨁𝒵odiac connects to his identity, and is a nod to WHO he would have drawn inspiration from. Someone from a long time ago, that might predate Texas. It goes far back. 🔐

⨁🗝️

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/21/2025 08:47:49 pm

@Rubi,

It could be that the 𝒵odiac was an avid reader of newspapers for his astrology. That's an idea, and seems to make sense.

One question would be though -- Someone found that the Bus Bomb letter, contains the 𝒵odiac Sigil, with weird markings on it. Those markings strangely align with a symbol called a "Sun Wheel"⨮. An arcane symbol. But one that is the exact form of the "𝒵odiac" sigil.⨁

I didn't find that. Someone on 𝓡eddit did. And they were pretty descriptive of it. I posted this earlier as well. I keep repeating myself, because the story is the same. It's sound, and all the pieces fit back together. Like a 𝓹uzzle.🧩

Wh𝔂?

Because they connected the "Sun wheel"⨁ to a specific orientation of months. Don't quote me, as it wasn't my ciphe𝒓 to b𝒓eak, it was thei𝒓s.

Hopefully I have this right, the orientation is unlike what one would think of, for a non-sun🌞wheel calendar, or something with an orientation that might contain the months. Meaning an orientation of being clockwise, and starting perhaps from the 12🕛 midday position.

But they found that the points on the sigil, orient with the ancient Sun Wheel. A pagan🌚symbol. Highlighting certain months. In a non standard 𝑜rientation.

So I guess the question would be, "Why just read the newspaper, but also know that the Celtic cross symbol, also is a pagan symbol of a Sun Wheel? So much so, that you could delineate the months in proper orientation and communicate that in a way, that is a thing, that no one would figure out until a few months ago from the time the letter was written. Not exactly a 50 year cipher, but it's close. Maybe? Maybe not.🤔

Unless perhaps they were not just a believer in Newspaper Astrology? Unless perhaps it was a puzzle?

I wonder if on a surface level, one could make a newspaper astrology connection, and then dismiss it as the full story, but perhaps miss a deeper meaning. This sounds like a cipher to me. A puzzle. Something that some can see, but some cannot.

Did I mention that the Sun Wheel is a pagan symbol?

🌞🗝️

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/22/2025 07:37:30 am

@𝐑ubi,

🅘'll agree with you on one point. It was a "persona". And he did "elect" to adopt a persona. And I think this is 𝓿ery, 𝓋ery, 𝐯ery pertinent.

🄿🅿ⓟlease, hear me out. Because I get excited when I feel like someone gets close. THIS IS A FANTASTIC POINT that you picked up on.

Let's tease it out a bit though shall we? Instead of tossing it aside. Because I feel this is a great se𝓰ue to what I referred to as "The 𝕊uperman 𝑷aradox".

🅘f he elected this "𝒫e𝓇son𝐚", then does it make sense to initiate a line of inquiry of -- what did he do prior? Was this his first 𝒫e𝓇son𝐚? Was it his last? Does one do all of this successfully on the first try of such a 𝒫e𝓇son𝐚?

Ⓘ mentioned previously, established 💉science suggests no. We all go through a process of socialization and psychological milestones that we hit. Some deviate, and some deviate even further. A select few are in these deviations, and we call them 𝓼ociopaths.🦂

🅦ould it make more sense to do like what Don Draper did on "Mad men" reinvent yourself with a new persona, and move to another location? That show almost brilliantly demonstrates my point, if anyone has ever watched it.

Didn't something similar happen in the Movie 𝒵odiac⨁?

𝐖asn't there an impediment to the investigation when Anthony Edwards' character asked on the phone "You guys get the fa𝐱"?

🄳id no one see, both in watching the movie, nor at the time of the crimes, that the crimes seemed so similar, and yet occurred in different jurisdictions, meaning it almost seemed like the crimes were p-l-a-n-n-𝒆d that way?

Perhaps it was only me that thought that? Perhaps I just think differently?🌞

🗝️

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/21/2025 08:09:36 pm

⨁ is the signature of every valid, authenticated, communication from the 𝒵odiac.

It is a symbol, -- or more accurately, I believe it's what's called a 𝓢I𝑮I𝓛.

I'll repeat this part, because it bears repeating. It accompanies every valid, authenticated, communication from the 𝒵odiac. As a signature does, and should.

𝔗here is a function in cryptography🔐, that works in a very similar way.

My assumption (One should never assume) is that everyone in the 🅲ommunity, regardless of their suspect, is/was doing like me. Researching encryption.🔑

There is a function in modern cryptography, referred to as Public Key Cryptography.

Public Key Cryptography or (PKI) as it's known, works if you Publicly share your encryption key. I mentioned this previously.

Here's the paradox. How do you share a key, in public, but keep it a secret? A public secret? It's not only possible. It's represented by a phrase used very often in this community.

🄷iding in plain sight ⨁

🗝️

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 02:46:13 am

Can't really say definitively about these things, EdEdwardsCiphers.

But, I think you are right to highlight that there are signs of the Zodiac that infer both paganism and Christianity.

The Zodiac seems to have impersonated a mystic guru and writer Robert H Coon, a resident of San Francisco. Coon advocated The Glastonbury Zodiac, which incorporated aspects of both paganism and Christianity. For instance, the 12 signs of the Zodiac holding equivalence to the 12 days of Christmas.

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 03:17:27 am

''Evidence'' - unconfirmed, as is the usual in this Zodiac case - but worth a mention :

1) The impersonator of Robert H Coon, who apparently phoned VPD's George Bawart, following the SF Chronicle's publication of the Harden's Z408 solution - to suggest the extra 18 characters denoted ''Robert E Eee'' (Robert E Lee) - the 4 E's suggesting the Zodiac's surname might be ''Fouries''. Nice.

2) Robert H Coon resided at 345 Hyde Street, SF - and a candidate address where the Zodiac and Paul Stine first stopped, on the way to Washington Street. It will only be confirmed by Stine's trip sheet, if or when it is made public. At this address, I believe the Zodiac flashed a $10 advanced tip at Stine, which Stine accepted.

3) Robert H Coon remains the only POI who appears in known police reports, in both redacted and unredacted form. I believe that the Zodiac referred to ''Coon'' - but was actually referring to Hoover's in-pocket assassin, black man and FBI operative Claude ''Chuchessa'' Hubert, at the time.

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 03:37:51 am

Hey, FBI, 3) is going to get you into big trouble, alone, if ever the Zodiac case is officially resolved. The media will never let the unknown whereabouts of Hubert rest - until you admit the truth.

Unlucky, FBI.

CODZOM
3/22/2025 09:45:59 am

"The Zodiac seems to have impersonated a mystic guru and writer Robert H Coon"

i'm not so sure if the zodiac knows that himself :)))
mystic guru...holy shxx...i'm on the floor holding my stomach laughing

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/22/2025 10:43:05 am

@CODZOM,

I'm having trouble seeing how this is helpful.

Frankly I'm starting to sense an energy that has not been common here. But is common in other Zodiac forums.

Is your goal here to be contributory or antagonistic?

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 11:48:24 am

''It's OK, everyone - I haven't broken the law.''

Funniest, and most notable quote in the history of the Zodiac internet.

Why ? Because of who stated it.

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 05:02:29 pm

@Ed
I don't think the poster(s) were making fun of Rubi, but of the idea itself of keeping a “guru” or “mystic” for Zodiac, and making him the POI.

Wasn't it Grasmith who wrote something about one or two seers? I mean, here we have a dangerous man with criminal energy that blows up everything we've ever known so far, and they arrive with seer, divining rod, and grandmas who read coffee grounds to battle him. Hillarious!

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 05:07:44 pm

I don't get it :

ZODCOM: ''Same rules again. I'll keep my mouth shut, while you all post...''

So - what gives, ZODCOM ?

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 05:23:43 pm

Rubi, that with "staying silent" was meant for the other thread, the one dedicated for brainstorming. I didn't know you don't want me to speak somewhere else too.

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 05:29:46 pm

So - you're not COMZOD.

But, sometimes you post as ZODCOM, and sometimes you post as ZODCOM3.

Is that correct ?

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 05:34:04 pm

We have more ZODCOM members then just one.

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 05:36:19 pm

So - ''one body'', but a few ''heads'' ?

I don't get it.

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 05:40:36 pm

Well, Ruby, I can't reveal everything.

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 05:46:17 pm

Well - I would have thought that the Zodiac case is difficult enough to tackle - without some posters baffling those that keep the same posting name throughout.

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 05:48:42 pm

...but I can tell you, I knew the answer and didn't asked for your help...and then Pedro, Gonzo or Droid came back and they don't belong to ZODCOM. All went to the toilet, my re: got deleted, and that thread is closed now.

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 05:51:03 pm

Thanks for your clarification, ZODCOM.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/22/2025 05:52:02 pm

@COM
@ZOD
@ZOD3

This game that you're all playing. It's directing no energy towards what the majority are here trying to do. Solve a problem.

So congratulations on, I think it's called "Clout-stealing".

In this attention economy, you've gotten attention.

Again congratulations on that. Will this game among all 3 of you make it into your forthcoming, podcast, book, or website with trashy ads?

Let me know so that I can subscribe.

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 05:56:58 pm

...and the next question is: “How is it that there are so many of you at ZODCOM but you always make the same grammatical mistakes or have the same sentence structure?”

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 06:01:46 pm

@Ed
We all were pretty neutral towards you. That changed 5min ago. By chance I catched today some of Pedros messages. With one of those messages I agree now 100%, even he is my archenemy.

ZODCOM³
3/22/2025 06:08:38 pm

To answer our own "How is" question, it's because of heavy electricktricking!

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 06:12:38 pm

That does sound like a stroke of bad luck for EdEdwardsCiphers.

Damned by ''one body'' which has a number of ''heads''.

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 06:25:21 pm

That does sound like a stroke of bad luck for EdEdwardsCiphers.
Damned by ''one body'' which has a number of ''heads''.

That sounds funny :)))

Why are you all pissed at us, we didn't attack your forum, remember?

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 06:41:30 pm

Thank you for your clarification, ZODCOM.

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 06:48:11 pm

Sounds still to me like we are the baddies!

Rubislaw32 link
3/22/2025 07:16:04 pm

Just sounds all a bit strange, ZODCOM,

A Zodiac-Twilight experience, if you will.

Something akin to the Jim Dunbar show, when a caller claimed:

''I get headaches when I kill a kid.''.

ZODCOM
3/23/2025 03:16:07 am

Another big surprise, instead of getting an apology...there are more made up accusations and alleged findings as well as interpretations. Rubi are you a profiler?

Richard Grinell
3/22/2025 01:00:41 pm

No need to reply to this comment, but a particular individual from another Zodiac website, not content with constantly smearing me, has recently decided to start placing pornographic smut in my comments section with dangerous and harmful links, if clicked. I will advise this person for the last time I have screenshot his IP address and timestamped his comments for future use. I can close comments permanently and avoid these attacks, but his forum is reliant on having a functioning comments section. So unless he stops doing what he's doing, his site is going to suffer the consequences. So I will suggest to this person that he not visit this site anymore, because virus attacks have a habit of spreading.

Richard Grinell
3/22/2025 01:40:52 pm

That was just a warning Droid. Next time it will be a genuine name, and before you know it you'll be deleting comments off scores of your threads. Then, sometime later, new members will be wanting to join.

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 04:11:25 pm

So, another round of brainstorming to keep things flowing? What does the world think, why did Z do what he did?
No one without a gigantic motivation goes on a decade long campaign, pretty life shortening that kind of stress. I'm guessing for at least 6-7 years because he kept up the constant attention and tension. Same rules again. I'll keep my mouth shut while you all post, and it would be nice if some “silent observers” would say something too.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

EdEdwardsCiphers link
3/22/2025 05:53:46 pm

I believe you may have worn out your welcome. Good try though.

ZODCOM
3/22/2025 06:29:55 pm

So you speak now for 3 different persons?
Tell me better something about Zodiac, because him you know, right?

Richard Grinell
3/23/2025 04:24:10 am

COMMENTS HAVE BEEN TEMPORARILY REMOVED. THEY WILL RETURN WHEN THE NEXT ARTICLE IS POSTED. SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE.


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