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RICHARD GRINELL, COVENTRY, ENGLAND
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A JOURNEY "FROM HELL" TO RIVERSIDE

11/26/2024

 
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Recently I have been examining whether the Zodiac Killer was responsible for both the Confession letters on November 29th 1966 by searching for historic text in the newspapers of yesteryear. In the Confession letter the author typed "it was about time for her to die", which was seemingly plucked from The Evening Bulletin newspaper from Providence, Rhode Island on December 11th 1888 (the year of Jack the Ripper). I have only found this phrase of eight words in one newspaper prior to 1966.

​On July 31st 1969, the infamous Zodiac Killer took the wording "man is the most dangerous animal of all" from the utterances of Merian C. Cooper, which I have found quoted in only three newspapers prior to 1969. All three were from 1932, the release date of "The Most Dangerous Game" movie, whose associate producer was Merian C. Cooper. The author of the Confession letter and July 31st 1969 letters both seemingly plagiarized eight consecutive words from newspapers, 78 years and 37 years previous. 

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The Confession letter author also appeared to plagiarize wording from "The Press" newspaper on November 24th 1966 (five days earlier}, which ran an article where the offender was quoted as saying "I'm not Jack the Ripper". Therefore, I considered the possibility that its author may travel back to 1888 and search microfiche reels, in order to subtly place a quote from the times of Jack the Ripper into the Confession letter. It appears the Confession letter author found "it was about time for her to die" in a piece called "The Sturdy Beggar", which ran alongside the Ripper stories. As of writing, I have found this sequence of eight words in only one newspaper in 334 years, other than reporting about the Confession letter. Present in a newspaper from 1888. 

But if the Confession letter author scoured the newspapers from 1888, where would they most likely focus when composing the typed letters? There is a good chance that the Confession letter author would initially focus their search in the direction of notable "Jack the Ripper" events in the newspapers. Three of which were widely reported in the newspapers in early October 1888.

​The "Saucy Jacky" postcard was postmarked October 1st 1888, just one day after the "double event" murders of Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddowes on September 30th 1888. The other, was a letter from September 29th 1888 to the Central News agency, eventually forwarded to the Metropolitan Police two days later. The text from this letter was featured in several American newspapers, including the Abilene Weekly newspaper from Kansas on October 4th 1888.

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The letter (see below), beginning "Dear Boss" and ending "Jack the Ripper", contained the wording "The next job I do I shall cut off the lady's ear and send it to the police". The Confession letter read "I shall cut off her female parts and deposit them for the whole city to see" and "I then finished the job out cutting her throat". It wasn't necessarily the similarity of "I shall cut off" and the use of the word "job" that caught my eye. It was another newspaper article from the same day the "Jack the Ripper" letter appeared on October 4th 1888, that had the well known phrase from Edward Hyde, 1st Earl of Clarendon, featured under the sub-headline "Gems of Thought". It read "Those who are weary of life, and yet are most unwilling to die". The Riverside Desktop Poem was entitled "Sick of living/unwilling to die". Although not exact, the famous quote from Edward Hyde appeared in at least 125 newspaper articles in the 19th century, including 1888. The phraseology is extremely similar, with both expressing a disappointment of life, followed by the wording "unwilling to die". 

In total, we have "man is the most dangerous animal of all" from 1932, "it was about time for her to die" from 1888, "I shall cut off" from 1888, and "weary of life, and yet are most unwilling to die" from 1888, all mimicked in three communications linked to the Zodiac Killer. The September 29th 1888 letter somewhat resembling the Confession letter, turning "I shall cut off the lady's ear and send it to the police" into "I shall cut off her female parts and deposit them for the whole city to see". So were the Confession letters and Riverside Desktop Poem created close to one another? Both inspired from the newspaper archives of Jack the Ripper in 1888. Did the Zodiac Killer "not stop the game" promised in the Confession letter, when he began his "Most Dangerous Game" in the Bay Area in 1969?

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​What is rather amazing, is that in 2012 David Oranchak released an article showing how 46 consecutive characters from the book “The life of Edward, Earl of Clarendon, lord high chancellor of England: Volume 2” could fit into a chunk of ciphertext in the 408 cipher. Although Dave Oranchak downplayed this one in eleven billion chance, it appears at the time he wrote this article he was unaware of the famous Edward Hyde quote of "Those who are weary of life, and yet are most unwilling to die", which was extremely similar to the Riverside Desktop Poem.title of "Sick of living/unwilling to die". Was this another bridge from Riverside to the Bay Area? The chunk of text in the 408 cipher was HEBESTPARTOFITIATHAEWHENIDIEIWILLBEREBORNINPAR. It contained the word "die", just like the Riverside Desktop Poem (twice), the Confession letter (once) and the Bates' letters (three times).  All three Riverside communications contained the phrase "to die". See link below. 

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​JACK THE RIPPER AND THE CONFESSION LETTER
          THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF MURDER


                       EDWARD HYDE IN THE 408 CIPHER - DAVID ORANCHAK

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Rubislaw32 link
11/26/2024 02:44:49 pm

Excellent, Richard, to spot: ''Those who are weary of life, and yet are most unwilling to die...'' - from the October 4th 1888 newspaper article.

The Zodiac probably read a book on Jack the Ripper, with a number of articles in it, accumulated by researchers. Sentences and phrases embedded in his memory - it seems like the Zodiac had a pretty good memory, although not always ''word perfect''. Or, perhaps he simply chose to modify ?

I'd be confident that the Zodiac wrote his ''Little List'' from The Mikado, from memory - with just a few errors. He must have listened to the song countless times, and thought he knew it perfectly.

Richard
11/26/2024 03:35:05 pm

If the Zodiac (or Riverside author) was influenced by Jack the Ripper, then modification was an option when creating his missives. A deviant mind would probably have been interested in the deviant crimes of yesteryear, so memory + study was always an option. The only thing that is confusing to me Rubi, is how much weight I place in these findings. Was it one author from Riverside to the Bay Area, or two individuals with a like mindset and similar method of operation? Or no connection whatsoever from the Riverside author to Jack the Ripper and I just have an over-imaginative mind? If it wasn't for the relevance to the "I'm not Jack the Ripper" statement on November 24th 1966 and the mimicry employed by the November 29th 1966 author from that newspaper, I probably wouldn't have explored further mimicry by its author. And the desire to discover any legitimate links in Riverside to Zodiac, based on his ability to plagiarise material during his Bay Area years, such as The Most Dangerous Game (possibly Rampage 1963) and The Mikado as you have correctly pointed out.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
11/26/2024 05:42:58 pm

Richard this is excellent as usual. This sounds exactly like the M.O. of what the Zodiac would do, and leave this type of clew for someone who would be able to find it with only good research.

I think this is spot on.

Why? Because this would speak to him actually being erudite and studied in his art. Well read. To me this speaks to the cerebral side of the killer, the Dr. Jekyll to his Mr. Hyde.

This would be the type of breadcrumb he would leave to show his state of mind. Inscrutable unless you actually did the research to gain a kind of insight into his mind.

Then the work in the field that he would do, would be to try to replicate the same # of "canonical" kills only. Meaning he would only ever work to be connected to 5ive, even if he was considered for others. JMO, but I could be wrong.

Nice work.

Johnny
11/26/2024 11:06:50 pm

It's hard to think you over-imagine things when the crimes are connected aswell. If you find several similar letter writers around the US that is debating the same things, it would be just a coincidence in the sense that they have been influenced by the same things and probably they will be about the same age and be very isolated and stunted individuals.

Richard
11/27/2024 01:20:28 am

We have noticed previously that his Mikado quotes are his own version. Trawling back through the newspapers there are countless examples in history where people take the "As some day it may happen" verse and alter it to suit their own purpose. I shall take a look at these next. The Zodiac certainly demonstrated a penchant to use material born of a historical nature, such as The Most Dangerous Game (1932) or Richard Connell's short story (1924), possibly Rampage (1963), The Mikado (1885), and Ed Gein/Psycho (from 1950s and 1960), to name but a few. Possibly even Hitchcock. If the Riverside author also ventured back into the 19th century to source his quotes, we either have two very rare individuals or one Zodiac. I add back in this:

Did the flawed character traits of Count Zaroff in The Most Dangerous Game (1932) and Erich Kreiger in A Game of Death (1945), who were insane, heartless, and psychopathic men with a thirst to hunt human beings, form the basis of the wording "I am not sick. I am insane. But that will not stop the game" in the Confession letters on November 29th 1966? That "game" being "a game of death", in which the insanity of Erich Kreiger and the Confession letter author created no barrier to the murderous game and ambitions of either.. "A Game of Death" in 1966 turning into a "Most Dangerous Game" in the Bay Area, two to three years later. The murders in southern and northern California cloaked under the banner of the Richard Connell short story of 1924.

Rubislaw32 link
11/26/2024 04:11:41 pm

One can never be absolutely certain, of course, Richard - but I have always felt that a pattern of sorts, has emerged.

Primarily, that the Zodiac was an extensive reader, and that his interests included True Crime. And this included both books of a more historical nature, as with Jack the Ripper, as well as periodical True Crime journals that would invariably feature more recent serious crimes.

I don't believe the Zodiac murdered Cheri Jo - but it certainly inspired him, and I personally believe he did hold links to Riverside College - but prior to her murder. He then ''put his hand in'', and came up with the confession letter. I think the three April 1967 letters represent him daring himself to be a ''bastard'', and start making it ''personal''.

Perhaps controversially, I believe the Desk Top poem is his, also. But, written as an ode to his mother, who suffered giving birth to him.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
11/26/2024 05:34:36 pm

Who is this mother who suffered giving birth to him? Are you talking about the Zodiac? You know who the mother of the Zodiac is and that she suffered giving him birth?

Rubislaw32 link
11/26/2024 06:03:22 pm

Hi EdEdwardsCiphers.

Well, I believe I did meet her once, circa 1985, and no, she didn't tell me that specifically. Lovely lady - must have been considered quite a catch, when younger. Favoured boys over girls.

But, best stick to ''script'', since the ''other'' tends to annoy some, more than interests them.

I was just going to add that the last known ''probable'' nod to a Jack the Ripper reference, came with the ''Greetings from Ireland'' electronic card, sent to me first, at the ZKM site, as a celebration of Cheri Jo's 50th anniversary. ''Dear Sirs and Mums...''.

From an increasingly (in my opinion) controversial poster, calling himself Balloon Captain 66.

Johnny
11/27/2024 03:26:54 am

Otto Rank "Grant"ed it?

Rubislaw32 link
11/27/2024 05:14:28 am

Ah...colleague of Sigmund Fraud. I had to look that up.

The Desk Top poem does end with ''Just wait till next time'' - which is plagiarized from the ''Peanuts'' cartoons series - a warning to ''The Red Baron''.

Of course the Zodiac didn't know it at the time - but the sum-total of Bates correspondences by him, is like a retrospective dress-rehearsal for what was to come, when he moved to the Bay area as a work-posting, on or just before February 5th 1968 (me and Lafferty in cohorts). What was the ''great precipitator'' that spilled over into murder, starting at Lake Herman Road ? A son, a son and heir.

But, others will have their own opinions, ''Granted''.

Johnny
11/27/2024 07:29:06 am

Yes, his book describe delivering a Grant through birth-canal with trauma as a result. That is if we believe in Crank instead of
Fraudster, beause the latter believed Grant become sick postbirth because of his mommas strange posturing in her bedroom at night,
and because of that young Grant wanted Grant senior destroyed, and this in turn caused juniors bad conscience, which led in
combination with him being a sickly child him into becoming a murderer.

Anyway…. this is the story Ed, dig it and you have a clew as good as anyone that Raquel Welch ( fuck Fouke ) might the mother in question? here you have her: https://sv.findagrave.com/memorial/249521042/raquel-welch ...maybe we can dig her up together and solve this case once and for all and see why she granted that motherfucker through and by herself? If we succeed i take Raquel and you Ed get all the money and fame for solving the case, deal?


Rubislaw32 link
11/27/2024 09:13:51 am

I have no idea in making predictions, Johnny.

What I forever observe and what perennially never ceases to surprise me is that some are shocked that others might have a different opinion from their own. A completely different take on the case.

The internet community sometimes bemoans that there isn't enough information released into the public domain - and yet, has there ever been a criminal case, where so much information has been released ? At the end of the day, I think we just can't believe it hasn't been solved and judicially processed. Put to bed for good.

EdEdwardsCipher link
11/27/2024 01:23:13 pm

I am not familiar with any of this. I'm not familiar with Raquel Welch as a connection to this case. And I'm not familiar with anyone named Grant connected to this case.

Rubislaw32 link
11/27/2024 02:29:39 pm

William Joseph Grant - first known (retrospective) adult suspect of the Zodiac case, after two associates of David & Betty Lou.

William Joseph Grant - Zodiac suspect, 1968-1973.

Johnny
11/27/2024 09:26:26 am

All fun would be lost if we all thought alike. It's the exceptions that makes this case and life worth it. Excuse me for my ( non ) poetic rant, Rubi. I also need to lighten up a little sometimes.

Rubislaw32 link
11/27/2024 10:00:34 am

I am probably little different from you, Johnny, and have dark moments when I think the case will never be officially solved. It has a habit of sucking one in - then difficult to extricate from.

I freely admit that my greatest gripe is the FBI's efforts to defeat the ends of justice - largely based on their realization in the last ten years of how, as appointed Intelligence processors, they made so many mistakes. My disdain for them now is their deceit in that they still play an active role. They really don't and case custodians CA DOJ would be happy to see the back of them.

It would just be churlish though, for CA DOJ to air their grievances in public, having accepted so much federal funding for the case, in the past.

Johnny
11/27/2024 10:09:20 am

Anyway, i don't mean to demean what you suspect in this case. That it sounded like but wasn't my intention at all. Now i will make it a day, so long...

Johnny
11/26/2024 10:56:35 pm

This unwilling to die quite is spot on. If psychologists nowadays would have some experience of life, they would act on it in their work with their clients.

I wonder if you, Rick has gone through newspapers from the UK aswell? It would be interesting to see if for example the beggar quote is there to find? But from Zodiacs point of view this isnt so interesting perhaps.





Richard link
11/27/2024 01:33:26 am

One good reason I focused in on this quote was the finding of Dave Oranchak, that he puts down to coincidence. That is possible, but a Edward Hyde passage of 46 letters can be unearthed in the 408 cipher.

David Oranchak of ZodiacKillerCiphers highlighted the text of Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon, present in the 408 Cipher, in his article entitled 'Throw the book at him, Part 3'. The section of text is from a book called 'The life of Edward, Earl of Clarendon, lord high chancellor of England: Volume 2': ​Forty-six consecutive letters from this text corresponds with a section of the 408 cipher. Dave Oranchak, the foremost expert on the Zodiac ciphers, commented on this "So, only one piece of text, from a vast collection of eleven billion pieces of text, fit into this chunk of cipher text. A one in eleven billion chance seems to suggest some significance. But don’t be fooled by this. Just because this rare event occurred, doesn’t mean it is anything more than a simple coincidence. If we didn’t already know the real solution to the 408, how do we know that this chunk of old and obscure text isn’t the correct solution?"

It means we have 46 consecutive characters from Edward Hyde text in the 408 cipher and the "weary of life, and yet are most unwilling to die" quote from Edward Hyde similar to the Desktop Poem. Both prior to 1900, just like the Ripper era quotes. Click my name for Dave Oranchak's article.

Johnny
11/27/2024 01:46:39 am

Yeah, just try to match Friar Puck aswell and we might get certain about it real soon.

But, you and Rubi are right that it's not certain as of yet, but it's a great beginning. Very unfortunate that the confession letter wasn't handwritten.

Richard
11/27/2024 01:53:33 am

One way you could deliberately manage such a feat is to begin the 408 cipher not at its beginning. Deliberately manufacture a portion of text in the 408 that conforms to a section of Edward Hyde text first. In other words, surreptitiously embed these 46 characters into the 408, before resuming with the rest of the 408 message as normal. I agree with Dave's analysis. But the analysis doesn't take into account the other Hyde quote similar to the Desktop Poem title. Possibly another uncanny coincidence, but sometimes coincidences stop and purpose evolves.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
11/27/2024 07:04:14 am

Edward you say??? Strange. Hmmmm...

Johnny
11/26/2024 11:57:05 pm

Sherwood Morrill did the exact same thing that Rick is doing now. It's just to fit big pieces and many pieces together to make a good case. But Morrill might for us be harder to confirm, and thats the only difference.

Rubislaw32 link
11/27/2024 01:55:32 am

As a perception of that November 1970 time, Johnny, when Paul Avery published his ''apparent'' exclusive on the Bates-related correspondences - it was the FBI who immediately bought into the Zodiac-authenticity of them - whereas most other Bay area PD's were on the fence about them.

I would say, anyway, that the FBI's main motivation, was to convince Zodiac case custodians CA DOJ, that Riverside PD were unsuited and unqualified to investigate a murder (Cheri Jo's) of this high-profile. And, that Riverside PD had demonstrated their ''wet behind the ears'' by originally handing the murder-related correspondences to the US Postal Service Fraud Department - where they had languished, doing nothing.

What the FBI actually wanted was for CA DOJ to hand the Cheri Jo murder case over to them, the FBI. Naturally, Riverside PD protested this, and dreaded the thought of the FBI helping themselves to their, Riverside PD's backyard.

After consideration, CA DOJ turned down the FBI's request. But, there was obviously ''bad blood'' between Riverside PD and the FBI for years afterwards.

How strange, then (?) - that the FBI managed to hitch a ride on Riverside PD, in recent years, with the ''San Bernardino delinquent'' claim - which now denies Zodiac-authenticity of the three April 1967 letters.

My opinion is quite straightforward: I place no blame on Riverside PD for this turn of events. But, believe that the FBI are ''deceitful scoundrels''. Moreover - that the FBI are not fooling CA DOJ, for one minute.

Johnny
11/27/2024 02:09:52 am

Thanks for the info. But one would think that we should trust a federal bureau more in this case. Because If they come into it and manage to
destroy the case it isn't in their interest one would think to do that.

But as you say, in this case it could be completely different ofcourse!

Rubislaw32 link
11/27/2024 02:31:14 am

Sadly, and truly regretfully, I do believe it is in the FBI's interests to destroy the Zodiac case. In fact, I believe they have shown their pro-active and clearly criminal intention to do this, since March 2015.

It's a complete outrage, and have spent most of the last 4 years campaigning against what the FBI are so deliberately doing - defeating the ends of Zodiac justice.

I have probably insulted them, at least one thousand times in the last 4 years. That is tiring in itself ( ! ).

Johnny
11/27/2024 01:51:41 am

Don't know if you people have seen this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ZodiacKiller/comments/1cbgsso/do_you_believe_zodiac_communicated_after_1974/

It's a more carefully done handwriting, but this is a mature person ( as i see it ) that have written this and its strange for older people to write things like that!

It isn't all to dissimilar to the scorpion cipher handwriting on top over the cipher i think.

Richard
11/27/2024 01:57:36 am

For me, certainly. I have no doubt the 1978, 1986 and 1987 letters are Zodiac. I just treat them as genuine. Other people can plough their furrow as they seem fit.

Rubislaw32 link
11/27/2024 02:21:52 am

I agree, Richard. The problem (s) arises, in that the April 1978 letter ended up causing so much controversy, particularly with newspaper coverage, that CA DOJ elected to withdraw from becoming involved in public-sharing exercises on future authentication of correspondences.

So - after April 1978, ''we're on our own'', not knowing CA DOJ's opinion - which would help.

EdEdwardsCiphers link
11/28/2024 07:11:15 pm

That's funny. I've not looked at all of those letters before, and I actually have a mixed feeling.

I would authenticate the SLA letter however as an authentic letter from the Zodiac. Why? It actually contains a devastatingly serious clew, that no one that I have seen has done any research on.

The SLA letter, actually gave me the clew on how to detect what I believe is a nomenclator cipher. I know, I never heard of it before and actually started to decipher it, before I learned it has a name.

It's a deep clew into what the Zodiac was. Because no one is following the right suspect though, they will never connect it to anything. It however connects multiple themes together of what the Zodiac was.

But the work continues.

Johnny
12/2/2024 07:22:33 am

Very pleasent individual this Drew Beeson. If i could speak english better i would also publish videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JhxrwvuWtM&t=1s

EdEdwardsCiphers link
12/2/2024 09:45:05 am

I was on that broadcast. You can see me in the chat history. It's unclear if your statement is a positive one or the opposite. Are you saying that it was in fact a positive experience? Or are you saying his english was bad?

Johnny
12/2/2024 01:14:44 pm

It's positive, Ed!

Rubislaw32 link
12/4/2024 04:12:05 pm

John Humble aka Wearside Jack was an infamous hoaxer of The Yorkshire Ripper. After a 27 year search, Humble was eventually brought to justice, and sentenced to 8 years imprisonment for his hoaxing activity, in 2006.

Humble's hoaxing involved sending tapes and (3) letters.

The letters were signed ''Jack the Ripper''.

Humble's most well-known line was:

''I see you are still having no luck catching me.''.

In December 2020, the ''Private Citizens'' solve of the Zodiac's Z340 cipher was declared.

Private Citizens contend that the first line reads:

''I hope you are having lots of fan (sic) in trying to catch me.''.


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