ROSS SULLIVAN

4/4/2014

Forum thread by Morf13 - Feb 22nd 2014

Zodiac Killer Net- Ross Sullivan
On February 22nd 2014 Mike Morford, aka Morf13, reignited a thread from his previous forum, concerning a person of interest in the Zodiac case.
Zodiac Killer Net has in its possession an interesting typed letter from the Riverside City College Library, 4800 Magnolia Avenue, Riverside, California, concerning the case of Cheri Jo Bates, savagely murdered on October 30th 1966 outside the said library.
Some of the workers at the RCC had suspicions about Ross Sullivan, based on his character and various circumstantial evidence. Unfortunately for them, their suspect was not apparently held in the same regard by police at the time of Cheri Jo Bates' murder.
The crime has just past its 50th anniversary, with unfortunately little progress in identifying the killer, or indeed, if it is undeniably linked to the Zodiac case at all.
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Mike Morfotd link

4/3/2014 09:01:18 pm

Ross is a pretty interesting Suspect indeed, and the closest match I have ever seen to the SF sketch of Zodiac

James Lomerson

5/14/2015 06:36:40 am

Very strong suspect. Great likeness to picture plus fits the profile.

Richard

5/14/2015 08:32:41 am

What do you reckon about this
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=106&t=2392

12/18/2017 07:17:05 am

There are a lot of guys wearing same black glasses back then. They all look the same to me

Dave Masse

3/22/2016 01:40:31 pm

Certainly Cheri Jo Bates knew her killer; she was familiar enough to the killer to walk away from the library with him. Ross not only worked at the library, but he knew Cheri Jo through his brother. Ross also wrote poetry and oh by the way just happened to have a widow's peak and look just like the description of the killer. There must be more we can find out about Ross. It is said he lived at the Y in San Francisco. If this is accurate there is a conservation theatre that played old movies right by the S.F. YMCA. This explains the old movie references by Zodiac. It also explains why the killing stopped after the Cheri Jo Bates murder was discovered. Also, Ross' handwriting was nearly identical. We should always trace the killing to the start and then look for who knew the first victim. He sent a letter to her father. He knew the area and the people. It is very likely it was Ross Sullivan.

Richard

3/22/2016 02:13:43 pm

"she was familiar enough to the killer to walk away from the library with him. Ross not only worked at the library." Unless he said he resided nearby or within the library grounds and offered her the opportunity to ring for assistance. In terms of Ross Sullivan, how do you reconcile he would be 6'3" in shoes and not one eyewitness stated within this range. Coupled with his weight he would literally look like a giant, to be surely referenced by eyewitnesses. Just playing devils advocate Dave, I really have no particular leaning to any of the suspects.

Mike Morford link

3/22/2016 02:42:04 pm

Ross was about 6ft2. The best witnesses that described Zodiac's height were Mike Mageau who had a light shining in his face while being shot at. The kids at the window who saw Z leave after Stine was killed, from across the street in an upstairs window. Officer Fouke, who was seated in a moving car looking up at Zodiac. Hartnell who said he was not a great judge of height due to his own height. The height is not a deal breaker one way or another for me. I am more concerned with the overall description, heavy,stocky,etc. Weight tests at Berryessa lead police to believe Z was over 215lbs. All of that matches Ross. Plus, the girls at Lake B saw a Guy who could have been Z,and described him as being 6ft2, same height as Ross.

Josie link

11/7/2017 02:52:31 pm

far too big 300 or 260 pounds 6 ft 2

Chris

11/20/2017 07:42:48 pm

Are you awake?

Lucky

11/23/2017 04:52:02 am

Hi, this may be a long shot but interested in everyone’s opinion. If Cherri Jo Bates was his first kill and his last confirmed kill was Stein on Cherry Street, is there any significance between Cherry and Cherri? Could it be something in his whack mind?

Josie link

11/26/2017 05:07:35 pm

What about what they wore

Nickjamesbennett

12/11/2017 03:47:49 am

In zodiacs letter about cheri he says in the begginigng it wasn't his first and woudmt be his last.maybe something to make pd look other ways and known for making things difficult.but something to consider.where was this man at ages 11 thru 17 and his activities.

SYNAPTIS

11/23/2017 08:19:59 pm

Yes I agree,
questions apperance yes.
lets look at details:
the written letters:
lefty or a righty hand?

was he left or right handed?
what was his past?
The profile of Zodiac is a rejected man whom was rejected, humiliated and did not socialize after his rejection, he could have military experience, he has a high IQ, he has low esteem, he is a loner, alot of time to sit and prepare to do his thing. thats how he gets his rocks off. Cant have relation with woman because he knows he is a looser so...also He has to have been rejected after applying for a position at maybe police force and or FBI. Now this refusal of entry or acceptation of his law application blew him over the edge and became not only hatred towards woman but becomes enraged with law officials and will revenge both to ease his frustration. Oh yes did I mention his respect of low esteemed others and or weaker living people and animals?

Laney

11/27/2017 07:24:47 am

It really is amazing how much he resembles the Zodiac.

Nicholasjamesbennett

12/11/2017 03:55:40 am

As a librarian (ross) I would see if there's a way to uncover all or if any books or genre that he checked out or read to determine his mind set.obvs a place for study for him.long before this murder(cheri) he had already learned to get away with whatever he wanted. Not to put the intelligence of riverside pd at faughlt but it's hard to not say that they might have been able to stop alot of murders and opened communication through different agencies might have been key. To harbor crucial information that could save lives for the reasons of not scaring folks or bad reputation is a crime in itself and maybe some should hold accountability or at the least feel guilty.

kath stokes

12/13/2017 05:33:08 am

from the drawings of witnesses, he had LIGHT hair, kane had DARK hair, so i suspect it was sullivan?

Andrew Maloney

7/18/2018 11:11:17 pm

Problem is that the people that survived an attack said he was 5'8 to 5'10 with red or brown hair. This does not match Ross at all?

Fraid Not

5/11/2015 03:33:23 pm

I believe Ross had mental problems and should not be cited as a "suspect". Z was probably a man with his full faculties. These suspects, are in my opinion, light aeons away.

Kyle

2/24/2016 06:07:32 am

Agreed, Fraid Not. There's nothing in Zodiac's behavior to indicate paranoid schizophrenia.

Further, Sullivan was far too tall & big to be Zodiac. Serious researchers into Zodiac will discount him.

Mike Morford link

2/24/2016 07:26:17 am

@Kyle,
Do you have credentials as far as mental illness? As far as weight Ross was over 200lbs, as was Zodiac at Lake Berryessa according to Napa Sheriffs Dept, so that matches. Ross is the ONLY Suspect ever that can be placed in the RCC library where zodiacs writing was found. He matches the z sketch to a T. If your investigative skills can provide the name of another suspect who looks exactly like the sketch and was in the RCC library, then give me a name, I'm all ears

John

11/14/2017 08:27:31 pm

He was 6'2
Took cryptography classes
New first victim
Moved north when other z murders started
I think it's him...and I've been saying "i don't know" for 15 years

Metty

11/21/2017 01:50:10 am

The only witness to clearly see the zodiac was the girl who was stabbed at the lake. She saw him before he put on the black hood. I believe the ranger or police man asked how tall zodiac was compared to himself (5’10) she replied about 2-3 inches taller. She described him as being heavier set as well far over 200lbs. The one thing that was confusing is that she said his hair was not too short as she could see it through the eye holes in the mask. Based on this discription Ross can’t be ruled out.

Richard

11/21/2017 02:07:58 am

Cecelia Shepard was still conscious when Deputy Dave Collins arrived on the scene, and was told by Shepard that her assailant was "just may'be a little taller than you, may'be an inch". Deputy Collins was 5'10''.

Dan

2/15/2018 03:40:50 pm

Z sent some hand written letters to the press, right? Why don't they try to match his handwriting with that of Sullivan's? Or have they already and they've got nowhere?

Oberyn

4/3/2018 02:34:15 am

That’s hog wash that “serious” Zodiac reseadchers discount Sullivan. He is more than like who Zodiac was.

If you’re saying you can read those letters, and his actions like sending in the bloody shirt of the cab driver- I don’t think that’s someone that is at all normal.

There are functioning and high IQ people with psychopathy all around the world. He said himself he wasn’t sick; he was insane.

Mike Morford link

7/3/2015 04:56:57 am

Still plugging away looking for info about Ross Sullivan. It's tough sledding. We know he looks identical to the 1969 Zodiac Sketch, and is the ONLY Suspect linked to the Riverside college Library where Zodiac's handwriting was discovered on a desk there. The Library Staff suspected him of murdering possible Zodiac Victim, Cheri Jo Bates. Beyond that, we are stuck in neutral

Margin

8/30/2015 03:47:44 pm

Has anyone ever gone through year book and employee records of Riverside when the murder happened in 66 to see if anyone had initials RH and fit the image and profile of Z?

Margin

8/30/2015 03:50:30 pm

I mean looking at others apart from Ross that had initials RH and if they moved from Riverside to Bay Area during 66-67

JOSIE THOMSON link

11/7/2017 02:22:48 pm

WEIGHT MATCHES 260 LBS Z BEING OVER 215 LBS POSSIBLY 260 LBS

Dave

11/15/2017 11:26:21 am

Ross is definitely the prime suspect. Perhaps utilizing enhanced dna techniques will reveal the perp.

Mike Morford link

7/3/2015 04:59:02 am

By the way, for anybody interested in Ross as a Suspect, here's a synopsis on him designed to save you from a lot of extra reading:
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&t=2300

MARK BEDSOLE

10/20/2016 06:24:18 pm

I am no expert but have studied this case off and on for 15+ yrs. Ross has to many things that key him as being the z. Not small things either. Things like the library connection, the hand writing comparison, the height, widows peak. I am basically convinced he was the z and through researching.

John

11/14/2017 08:24:26 pm

He also took cryptography classes in college and did a thesis on cryptography as well.
Facts :
Sullivan new the first victim
Sullivan wore combat boots
Sullivan was "roughly" 6'2
Sullivan was over 215lbs
Sullivan moved up north in 68 prior to first know z murder
And there's more...
I agree this is the killer

judith mignacca

11/20/2017 06:33:17 am

I just recently watched a program on TV regarding the Zodiac case with the presentation of Ross Sullivan as a suspect, the first time I have ever seen his name or face. Some other remarkable facts: Sullivan lived very close to a business called the Palace Stationer's shop that had stationery for sale called 'Zodiac'. The Zodiac had also a fascination with the opera, The Mikado, and had quoted it in several of his communications sent to local newspapers. When the opera was appearing in San Francisco, the was an article regarding this in the SF Examiner advertising places where tickets were sold; one location being: The Palace Stationer's. All of Zodiac's communications were written on paper that could only be bought in bulk...never loose leaf or just composition paper...in other words, the type that could be bought from a stationer's shop. He also used some greeting cards. It is not known if they were sold at this shop, as this was never investigated. Sullivan's name showed up in Insp. Dave Toschi's notes, but Vallejo PD did not consider him a viable suspect.

Brian

11/22/2017 03:26:26 pm

I am def with u John! Enough said-no need to say anymore is there?!

Brian

11/22/2017 03:28:52 pm

Judith also hits the nail on the head

Joe

1/7/2018 07:00:03 am

1. Alibi verified by PD for Bates.
2. Died in 77 thus could not write letters in 78
3. Intellectual competence in question.

Christian Hansen

8/6/2017 09:43:08 pm

Why Z stopped writting letters to the press is one of the biggest ?'s in the entire case. I believe he went inactive for about three years. The timeline on when the Z/Riverside connection was discovered shows to me, why Z took a very key break in his criminal activity. He felt if he could be connected to Bates, then it was obviously all over for him. He even congratulates the detectives in one of his letters for making the connection. He knew deep down inside, it was a major break for them. Basically, Ross shit his pants and laid low for quite sometime. He has no code training in his background, the wingwalker boots and military background arent there, but I think his library position could have helped with the codes. Graysmith said a person could have learned how to do that from novice books. I just dont know if his mental illness wouldn't have gotten in the way of his preparation, and commitment to the Z murders and letters. It's widley agreed that Z was extremely intelligent and disciplned in his agendas. Regardless, alot of this case points to Ross Sullivan

Josie link

11/7/2017 02:25:46 pm

ROSS WAS OVER 260 LBS 6 FT 2 Z WAS 6 2 AND OVER 215 LBS MOST LIKELY 260 LBS AND HAD WINDOW PEAK NOW TELL ME HES NOT THE ZODIAC

John

11/17/2017 01:33:10 am

I don't think he's all that disciplined. In the bates murder case specifically, knowone mentioned to police that it could of been him. There was no urgency. One of the descriptions given is him. I believe thats why he wore the hood. He took small steps to avoid being caught. The murders were not random. I think a normal high school student could or would of taken these steps to avoid being caught.

judith mignacca

11/20/2017 06:41:41 am

Actually lnsp. Dave Toschi noted that Ross Sullivan did wear black military style boots; this was pointed out by library staff from RCC as one of the odd things about Sullivan: that he always dressed in the same clothes, the boots being one of these items.

scout

9/22/2017 12:45:44 pm

wrong suspect but he became victim of zodiac killer all his life living with that shadow as a killer ROSS SULLIVAN mistake.....let zodiac take his watch......

josie link

11/7/2017 02:42:44 pm

Ross Sullivan knew cheri jo bates

Timothy Page

11/14/2017 08:16:56 pm

Ross Sullivan also wrote a letter while attending RCC on cryptology. The killer knew Cheri. Knew the area. Worked at the library. And The killer of Cheri wrote letters to her family sighning the letters Z. Ross Sullivan was in Santa Cruz in 68. He was arrested for some bizarre behaviour. The 2 killers are 1 in the same. Ross Sullivan.

Josie link

11/7/2017 02:28:59 pm

ZODIAC HAD 26O LBS AS WEIGHT 6FT 2 AS HEIGHT and seemed to have known cheri jo bates had cursive writing all of which fits Ross sullivan

John

11/14/2017 08:18:22 pm

Ross matches in :
height 6'2 (6'1-6'3)
Weight over 215
Drawn Sketch is EXTREMELY CLOSE
Ross worked at the same library
Ross new his the first victim
Ross did not show up to library for 2 weeks following murder
Ross also took code reading classes
Ross also did a theisus on cryptography
Ross moved up north in 68 prior to first z murders
Ross was known to wear combat boots as well
...I've been into this case for 15 years or more and i am convinced this guy is the killer...

12/25/2017 09:44:12 am

John: You are correct - it must be Ross Sullivan. And, if it is not him then he had to have been set up as the patsy by some military intel.
Ross also referred to Mikado - perhaps as a way of giving his name under the radar since it was by Aurthur Sullivan. And it first played in London at time of the Ripper. Upper crust play about killing riffraff.

Timothy Page

11/14/2017 08:20:11 pm

Ross Sullivan wrote a letter on Cryptology while attending RCC.He lived near the library. Worked at it. So he knew the 2 houses would be empty where Cheri was killed.Cheri killer sent letters to her family signed Z. both Zodiac and Z misspelled the same word TWITCH writing it TWICH

Mario Rankin

11/14/2017 08:27:35 pm

There's a investigation on going that have reviewed all ifbthr evidence plus some never before seen that Cleary link Ross to the Z also he did in fact study encryption and misspelled the word "twiched" incboth letter from riverside and northern California trust me he is the Zodiac....

Pam Hunt

11/14/2017 10:32:40 pm

In reading his handwritten letters to police, I noticed he also misspelled the word "curious". That's another red flag to look for in his other writings.

Deb Vercammen

11/14/2017 09:07:01 pm

Wouldn't it be of some value to know when he was interviewed by the police after Cheri's murder? Was in immediately or did it take some time so that his wounds did heal if he had been scratched. If they have hair samples what color was the hair? And since they have DNA then close relatives of Ross's can be tested for a match that will show a close relationship to the DNA. If not a match to them then you can assume that it was the wrong guy. How someone looks like him, worked at the Library and might have had some major crush on her so when she rejected him he killed her. And from what was said about her fighting him off ...it was not a death that was a twitch and squirm..it was a full out fight from what was said. But, I suppose the twitch and squirm might have been after he had beat her down...a guy that was his height and weight would have had a pretty easy time of taking her down even with her fighting him. As for his height and weight...witnesses are not good at judging details about people but he could very easily have walked been walking slightly bent over to hide his true height. I find all of this very interesting but with his DNA there should be a fairly easy way to find more about who it really is even though Ross Sullivan was cremated. More drama to the case without a body.

Pamela Hunt

11/14/2017 10:41:53 pm

What about DNA evidence that could be extracted from the Z's saliva, after licking his envelopes?

Tom Ford

11/14/2017 09:11:18 pm

Has anyone ever looked at the RH asset the bottom of the Riverside desk poem slightly askew? If you view the h from slightly off to the right couldn't it perceived as an S? Thereby being RS for Ross Sullivan...

G Zales

11/15/2017 12:50:15 am

When i came across the picture of the poem before reading any captions I initially thought the initials were RS. It just sucks that this guy got away with it-he died knowing he killed many innocent people and didn't get convicted of a damn thing.

John

11/17/2017 01:43:49 am

I thought the same. Also, take a look at zodiacs S's and his H's ... It kinda resembles the s's more...IMO

Brad

11/21/2017 06:35:30 pm

It's definitely a possibility that the "h" is a crookedly written S. Trying my absolute best not to form an answer that serves the possibility but if you look at Z's s's in the poem and you turn to the right the "h". Again not trying to shape an answer but if you ask me if you turn to your left watching over your shoulder to make sure no one is coming that "h" matches the Z's s's.

Now that being said if you look at the h's in Z's poem the h in "rh" look the same as in the rest of the poem. I am 0% handwriting expert but I think the h is an h. That in no way means that Sullivan didn't do that intentionally. Heck his parents names started with H's not unreasonable think he did it on purpose thinking of them. Besides the zodiac was obviously very careful in trying not to get caught no chance he just puts down his initials straight up. He was however willing to play the "game" so maybe RH is part of the game.

Brian

12/9/2017 12:13:12 am

IMO it is RH. There are multiple instances in the document of s, r and h. They are pretty consistent. The last h looks like his h`s in the poem. Woukd be odd if he wrote his last s to look just like his typical h.

G Zales

11/15/2017 12:44:00 am

There is an interesting new series on the history channel that use current technologies and advances in science to review the gathered into about zodiac. Group of guys INSTANTLY named Sullivan their prime suspect. Not only did he fit the description and look exactly alike, he also lived just a block away from a paper stationary store that at the time handed out flyers for ZODIAC stationary. And on zodiacs Halloween postcard he wrote two words in a cross formation that intersect at a common letter (not sure of exact words but for example death and then paradis(c)e vertically intersecting death at the shared A.) And i included the c as zodiac commonly misspelled paradiCe. And on a flyer from the stationary store walking distance from Ross's residence they had an identical pattern in cross formation sharing a common letter. He was always reported to be wearing army fatigues and BOOTS which is huge because the riverside killer left military boot prints which also match zodiacs. The guy looks like zodiac, was a social outcast and often reported to act odd or bizarrely, and even if he was mentally disturbed this would lead one to believe this probably prevented him from having any girlfriends which seemed to be the motive behind the z killings- he targeted quite a few attractive young women. And paranoid schizo can definitely drive someone to kill. There's so much unbelievable solid, circumstantial, and theoretical evidence they should have made this connection by now..

Kathleen Kuchta

11/15/2017 08:40:08 am

The Stubbs family were not on the Sullivan side of the family they were on Viinvent Tulloch side of the family. No blood relation to Sullivan’s.

Dan

11/16/2017 06:51:18 pm

I have 2 major concerns with Ross Sullivan being Zodiac. 1) From the research I've done Sullivan didn't drive. The SF area killings are miles apart, even farther from Santa Cruz where Sullivan moved in 1967. 2) The Known Zodiac killings indicate a familiarity with the area. Lovers lanes, parks, etc. How could Sullivan, assuming he did drive, familiarize himself with such a large area in such a short amount of time? Any ideas would be welcomed.

Tim

11/17/2017 09:36:04 am

Certainly know expert just casual interest and watching the show, but in other documentaries, etc it seemed one of the "facts" was that Zodiac knew the female Vallejo victim (Ferrin?) due to phone calls to home etc is there any connection whatsoever that links Sullivan and that victim?

Santa Cruz is nowhere close to Vallejo or for that matter Lake Berryessa. Sullivan seems like a real strong suspect in the Bates case, but given the Zodiac knowledge, I just dont see that connection developed although on the show the letters misspelling was interesting, but given those odds of misspelling wasn't there something in the Allen case on this as well, I know in the movie I think it was Christmass

Brad

11/21/2017 06:46:37 pm

2 theories cause ya'all bring up valid points about Sullivan's mobility..

1. Isn't it possible that Sullivan did the bates murder (to me this almost a certainty) and then moved up north to where he met someone that he told or knew a fellow schizo that did drive who either drove him or did the murders up north him self. Both Sullivan and other being a team to be the Zodiac. Just a thought. It would explain the mobility issue. It would explain the stationery store tie in.

2. Is it possible that the Zodiac is actually the copycat of Sullivan's murder? Keep in mind I think it's Sullivan and I've heard the copycat theories but I don't think anyone has suggested that the Zodiac may have copycatted the Riverside murders. Don't know all the info except on the show I think they did say that there was no way for the northern cali murders could have known about the riverside murders cause of timing or whatever. However...they could if Sullivan told the northern person of it or if Sullivan himself was it. That leads me back to #1.

Mike Morford link

11/22/2017 08:49:54 am

I've tried unsuccessfully, to see if Darlene's ex-husband(who lived in Santa Cruz at the time of her murder)knew Ross Sullivan

John

11/30/2017 11:56:03 pm

Ross was arrested in santa cruz for suspicious behavior... i believe. Then placed in a wack shack

Eddie

11/17/2017 06:33:36 am

Why don't policia go pick him up what are thay waiting for go get him now before he dies

Pam

11/17/2017 08:14:23 am

He died in 1977.

Jeanette Mobbley

11/18/2017 03:20:58 pm

I think that Ross Sullivan is the closest suspect ever. It has been so long and now that we see the two pictures together it would be said it is Ross Sullivan

Potato

11/19/2017 11:03:43 am

History Channel show The Hunt for the Zodiac Killer has blown this one open in the first episode. He isn't just a suspect, it's blooming obvious he was the Zodiac.

Jeff

11/20/2017 12:01:33 pm

What about Mike Mageau be able to identify Sullivan if that was the case? He, Hartnell, and Kathleen Johns were the ones who survived their attacks and should be able to provide some clarity to confirm or deny him as a suspect. Granted, Hartnell didn't see him physically, but had contact with him.

Kate

11/24/2017 06:39:06 am

Two cops in SF also saw him

Notsaying

12/2/2017 10:39:58 am

I'm not sure if it was Zodiac who picked up Johns. Maybe, maybe not. Johns has changed her story a few times. On the other hand, it's the setting the car on fire, that makes me think it could have been Z. It sounds like something he'd do. Also, Z sent a letter, mentioning a woman he picked up. BUT he didn't really go into much detail about it. He could've heard about it in the news and took credit for it. It could've been any psycho that picked Johns up. It doesn't have to be Z.

Zodiachunter

3/23/2018 04:10:43 pm

Tbh that would be hard to ask them if one has changed their name entirely some are in hiding so I don’t think we will ever have them tell us

Russell

11/22/2017 07:46:05 am

Re: Ross Sullivan, surprised no one has mentioned something that IMO significantly strengthens the possibility that he's Zodiac. Two of the prominent changes from the original Zodiac suspect sketch to the revised one were 1) the shape of the mouth/lips, and 2) adding more of a "widow's peak" look to the hairline. Both changes, but especially the shape of the lips, made the drawing look much more like him when you compare the revised sketch to photos of him.

http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/14/94/58/13/compos10.gif

Mike Morford link

11/22/2017 08:38:09 am

In taking a very close look at the sketch vs Ross, I agree...the ammended sketch makes it look even more like Ross. The tight full lips, the hairline. All creepily similar. And if you believe that Zodiac was in the RCC library to leave that writing on the desk as I do, then we need to be looking at people in that library. So far, we know Ross was and he looks eerily similar to that sketch. If Ross isn't Zodiac, then we likely need to find somebody who looks a lot like Ross that was also in the RCC library

Saw

11/30/2017 12:28:27 am

Have you seen the Hunt for the Zodiac Killer series. It’s main suspect is Lawrence Kane and Ross Sullivan but more evidence point out to Lawrence Kane. He work in Navy and know how to use codes, I’m just reading newspaper and find that Cheri Jo Bates father work in Navy as well as his brother do you think Lawrence Kane know her father or brother before he committed this crime?

Notsaying

12/1/2017 10:48:58 am

I have been studying Mr. Sullivan for a while, and I'm not sure if he is the killer. However, I believe he fits moreso than some other suspects. I absolutely know it wasn't Van Best, because the guy was a shrimp. He doesn't fit the description at all! I don't believe it was any of the popular suspects either, after researching them. Ross Sullivan is the closest yet IMO to fit the Zodiac in so many ways, it's nearly impossible to look over him. Think about this: the victims who survived described him as a fairly large man, and they'd know what he looks like far better than we do! Without a doubt, this man had height and weight to him. Also, when someone is tall... no matter the weight, they look slimmer. The barrel chest is a big clue as well! Ross had a barrel figure to him. This was no short, skinny man. You can exclude all skinny or short suspects, as the surviving victims described him as heavy and tallish. The only thing I can't figure out... Of Ross didn't drive, how'd he get around? But then again, I've know ppl to drive w/o a license. The question isn't if Ross had a license... that means nothing. Realistically, the question is... did he know how to drive? We need more writing samples and info. about Ross. You know, colleges keep some of the student's work and exams. Wonder if RCC still has his thesis or any exams, etc???

Richard

12/1/2017 11:58:34 am

Eyewitness testimony is dependent on the person involved and the circumstances while encountering the suspect. Michael Mageau was blinded by a flashlight, saw only a side view and was being riddled with bullets, so it's understandable his description may be heavily flawed. But he stated at his bedside to investigating detective Ed Rust, that "he was a heavyset man standing at about 5'8'' tall, beefy build, but not blubbery fat, possibly 195-200 pounds."
The Berryessa perpetrator was wearing a hood standing for the most part on an incline, and Hartnell being so tall, admitted he was a bad judge of height. In the interview at the hospital he stated "Maybe 5-8 or maybe 5-10, 6 feet, somewhere in there", so not much use at all - all we have is dark brown hair visible by the eyelets of the mask, 200+ pounds, and age based on voice, which is not realistic.
The three teenagers stated "A white male, 25-30 years old, 5'8" to 5'9", stocky build, reddish-brown hair worn in a crew cut."
Donald Fouke stated "WMA, in his early forties, 5'8", heavy build, reddish-blond, crew cut hair." in police report.

Actually, all four eyewitnesses at some point said 5'8", so there would be no discrepancy. The weight was around 200lbs or stocky, so little discrepancy there. A quick haircut between Berryessa and Presidio, takes care of the hair. The only real differences are Bryan Hartnell went up to 250 lbs, but the costume may have influenced that, and Donald Fouke added 10 odd years. If you go by 5'8", then he was a relatively short man. Sullivan was 6'2", 6'3" inches in shoes. But we have to remember eyewitness recollections are only a guide and notoriously unreliable.

Mike Morford link

12/12/2017 03:44:44 am

Don’t forget, Napa investigators felt Z was “well over 200 pounds” and Hartnell said the same. That plus the bulky, stocky, and overweight descriptions all fit Ross. The only thing that doesn’t is the height. But again, how does a person across the street from an elevated window correctly describe a height? Mageau and Fouke, both sitting in cars looking up at Z. My point being, That the best way to judge height is to be standing level with them and none of them were except for Hartnell. The mystery man seen by the girls at Lake B(who may or may not be Z) was described as up to 6ft2. In the end, efforts are under way to rule out Ross via DNA so maybe we can rule him out once and for all

blue

1/1/2018 12:19:47 pm

The only thing I can't figure out... Of Ross didn't drive, how'd he get around?
Dear Notsaying: wit heard motorcycle

Notsaying

12/1/2017 10:52:28 am

Oops... If not of*. Edit mistake

Notsaying

12/2/2017 10:13:02 am

I can give my opinion and take on Ross S: I believe it was him... Yes! I'll tell you why. Cheri in my perception, seem to be a very nice girl, and more of a ppl person. She was that "one" girl that could've felt sorry for Ross. I don't believe she had any intentions on dating him... No! As she was just that class who wasn't into his "type". That being said, I believe she and Ross probably communicated on a friendship level. I believe she perceived Ross to be a big creampuff. That boy we all knew in school to be a big softy, regardless of his creepy vibes. Maybe she knew him in a different sense. Ross felt that maybe she had more feelings for him than just friends. By speculation, maybe she had interest in someone else, leaving Ross feeling emotional and green (jealousy). Think about it... Cheri trusted whoever killed her! She didn't follow no stranger into the dark. It's said Cheri also knew ALA, but do you really believe this girl would follow a man of his caliber into the dark without questioning his motives? Plus ALA was older! Whoever her killer was, around same age group, it was someone she had talked to from time to time, found some friendship or something, "grew" to know and thought he was NOT capable of murdering her. Had a big heart so to speak. Ross fits that personally IMO. It went down something like that in my mind. Also, Ross's brother married a friend she knew or something???? So, no... she was acquainted with Ross to some degree. It's all speculation, but that sounds reasonable to me. I'm telling you... whoever it was that killed her... she knew! It was NO stranger.

Notsaying

12/2/2017 10:33:48 am

Just to add... anyone ever think, that maybe her killer watched her leave her house that day? Followed her to RCC? If they did, it doesn't mean he didn't attend RCC; it simply means he was also stalking her. That's possible, given how insane it is to stab someone to death. Also, notice how most of the Z's victims were couples, bf and gf. Paul S. was the only victim that wasn't with a girl, right? However, Paul was a nice looking guy who seem to have it together. Maybe it was about jealousy or just to be killing someone. Who knows??? However, I do believe the guy Officer Don Faulke (sp?) seen was Ross S. It's the way he described him, and seeing him from a distance tells me, he was a good sized guy. As I've stayed, Ross was tall, and with tallness... with weight can make you look thinner.

12/11/2017 05:18:25 pm

Due to Pickwickian Syndrome Ross died 9/29/1977. And he was cremated 10/3/1977. In his home at 2177 17th ave Santa Cruz.

12/11/2017 05:26:54 pm

Ross was morbidly obese and basically died of Heart failure. He died alone. He never married.

12/11/2017 05:38:34 pm

RS died alone in his home in Santa Cruz. Unloved, which is true hell.

Robert

12/11/2017 06:30:34 pm

I just stumbled upon the History Channel's program that is following Ross Sullivan as a suspect. I am fascinated by the Zodiac case.

I am curious -- Has anyone associated with the investigation entertained that Zodiac might not be one person, but two or more? This might explain the differences in descriptions. Has any link been drawn between one Z suspect and another?

Joe

12/12/2017 10:57:43 pm

I agree, more than 1 zodiac

12/14/2017 09:51:15 pm

Cheri was killed by someone who knew her. The History Channel's Zodiac program is a fraud. The FBI and other Agencies found no code in the Z letters. This will probably not come out because History Channel does not want viewers to stop watching their program. An ignorant police captain allowed a SF Chronicle reporter to view the open case. It wasn't until after the reporter published the article, Z claimed responsibility for Cheri's murder.

JB link

12/18/2017 07:52:28 am

Robert. Yes, detectives believe the Lake Berryessa was a copycat. Z worked under the cover of darkness. Cheri was murdered by someone she felt comfortable with. Not Ross Sullivan. Sullivan was strange, but could account for his whereabouts the time Cheri was murdered. Ken Mains and Sal Lababera are frauds. History Channel show is nothing more than hype

12/13/2017 02:25:59 pm

Maybe, Ross and Lawrence were a couple?

Gord

12/18/2017 05:37:32 am

To me, whoever was the Zodiac, must have died sometime after 1974 as no further communication surfaced.

Gord

12/18/2017 05:46:26 am

Ross Sullivan had to be him. Riverside Police must have their reasons to rule him out, though.

Gord

12/18/2017 10:10:28 am

“A man’s wristwatch was found 10 feet away from Bates body...” Nobody bothered to ask or check if Sullivan owned one?

Gord

12/18/2017 10:12:48 am

I don’t see any watches on Sullivan’s wrists on these photos....

12/18/2017 01:18:53 pm

I think you are right. At least, RS has to be at the second from the top of your suspects list. His own brother Tim thought he was the Z and maybe even the Zodiac.

Jb link

12/18/2017 01:34:31 pm

They did check the watch Gord. Criminalists tested the watch for DNA with negative results. They couldn't even get a profile. Many people think their relatives are the Zodiac. SFPD Detectives, Vallejo PD, and every LE Officer involved in one way or another know Bates and Zodiac murders are not related. Please Google Ken Mains the so called cold case expert. Just because you write a book does not make you an expert. He has never investigated a homicide. Sal LaBabera investigated over 6000 homicides. Math is just not correct

jim

12/28/2017 07:21:33 am

I love the 'analysis' of various suspects. How about assuming law enforcement knows what they are doing? They have fingerprint and DNA matched to killer. I'm quite sure they have matched either or both to suspects. No match means move on folks. Go back to grassy knoll.

blue

12/28/2017 02:00:02 pm

because assumptions make an ass of us all. besides law enforcement never solves shit. it takes nuts like us to find the mallets they missed to which crack these cases wide open.

jim

12/28/2017 04:14:26 pm

you 'nuts' solved this over last 50 years???

blue

12/29/2017 02:54:01 pm

So who is the zodiac? that's is what matters here. what else are we talking about here. all that matters is who you think is the zodiac. we already know we're conspiracy nuts.

jim

12/30/2017 11:17:58 am

Not a clue Blue. Like a UFO, where key word is unidentified. Most of the folks on this blog would think UFO means alien spacecraft. If there is no clear evidence, why bother. If I had to guess, there is no one person. Would love to see ANY evidence that the Riverside killer did any of the later crimes. Speculation is not evidence.

blue

12/30/2017 02:09:17 pm

what key word do you mean? becuz if you mean his name - he did refer to the initials rs - even though the s was disguised as an h on the desk. rotate it and it becomes an s.
Also the name Sullivan was refered to by the pointing to the Mikado. Arthur Sullivan wrote it back in London 1887 which inspired the ripper.
speculation ain't evidence but it can give you clues to follow.

Connolly

1/5/2018 12:36:27 pm

This is a good place to let the world know what you think.
I think that this whole Zodiac thing is fake.
I think the murders were typical jealous boy friends.
And, the masked murderer guy was just invented.
The whole thing was created to sell news papers.
The dirty cop "Dirty Harry" was caught red handed writing letters.
Harold Snook had handwriting that matched.
There is a ton of stuff that puts him with Keith Power and Robert Gray smith of the San Francisco Chronicle which no one will ever have access to because the board has a confidential agreement signed and gaveled in. It is just business don't take it personal.

1/7/2018 10:23:05 am

Dave Toschi screwed up this whole riverside connection when he was busted writing the letters.

blue

1/13/2018 11:47:55 am

that is mind blowing. but true.

Lance

1/14/2018 09:42:23 pm

Kane is my # 1 suspect,Riverside probably was not the Zodiac

2/3/2018 04:16:15 pm

visit Alex Lewis' site at https://welshchappie.wordpress.com/
I agree that Kane is the one.
Officer Harvey Hines solved this case before he retired in 1992.
I was convinced after reading all Alex's stuffed together.
Kane hinted to himself with the Citizen Kane reference.
Tons of witness stuff and other things point at him.
I don't know what the hold up is!

Jeff link

1/24/2018 07:56:16 am

They found out

chris owens

2/9/2018 07:00:00 am

I think the 4 best suspects are Sullivan, Kane, Allen, and Gaikowski. But out of the 4 of them, i'd say Sullivan and Kane are the greatest suspects. Anyone agree or disagree? I mean who do u guys think is the best fit/match for the zodiac?

blue

2/9/2018 11:12:15 am

The preponderance of evidence points to Kane.
Zodiac enthusiast Alex Lewis (Welsh Chappie), an avid member of the ZodiacKillerSite forum.
On Monday April 7th 2014 after multiple Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, he finally received the information he had been searching for. The United States Department of Justice sent him some valuable information regarding the suspect Lawrence Kane, including a full and complete arrest sheet.
Alex Lewis, as well as contributing to the popular ZodiacKillerSite forum, has dedicated many hours compiling extensive information on his favorite suspect Lawrence Kane. His comprehensive Wordpress site can be viewed here.
These interesting findings have also generated a discussion thread on the ZodiacKillerSite forum; so to contribute your thoughts please visit the topic here. htttp://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1536.

3/6/2018 12:35:13 pm

https://welshchappie.wordpress.com/

chris

3/6/2018 02:05:56 pm

ok. thanks for sending that link. but uh, what's it for??

3/6/2018 03:41:11 pm

It is for your 2/9/2018 message
I think Kane is the number one suspect because of the massive amount of circumstantial evidence that Alex has rounded up and placed on his site. https://welshchappie.wordpress.com/
Tell us what you think.

Gil

2/16/2018 06:23:27 am

I just never understood why they couldn’t extract a DNA profile of the zodiac from one of crime scenes, and compare it to the main suspects relatives using a court order that force them to give a DNA sample.

Mark my words, If Z will ever be found, it won’t be from those ciphered letters, only by DNA.

2/17/2018 09:59:38 am

Programmed to kill (youtube) parts 1-93 (Zodiac used the name "sam" to speak to Melvin CIA Belli - "sam" is a name for the devil) Part 39 is about the Zodiac specifically. CIA operation MKULTRA was a mind control program where they would use doctors whom would use mind control techniques and mind controlling drugs to turn lower class men they deemed throw-aways - also low ranking military men typically were turned into robot killers. In this case Uncle Sam is the devil. MOCKINGBIRD is a CIA black operation program to control our minds through the media. They tell us these programs are no longer used.

Dondi

3/8/2018 11:55:08 am

What about the woman with the baby on the highway? She was in the car with him and most certainly got a look at him. There doesn't seem to be too much discussion about this. Maybe she was too terrified to get a good look but it seems funny that she couldn't give a description of the car or him. I am assuming the police showed her the sketches of Zodiac for identification.

Richard

3/8/2018 12:12:24 pm

She did give a description of him and the car. She identified him from the sketch of Zodiac from Presidio Heights, hanging on the wall at Patterson PD.
Kathleen Johns would recall that within the car, described as messy, she had noticed men's and children's clothing scattered about, books and papers, a black rubber handled flashlight, and two colored plastic scouring pads on the console dashboard. Kathleen estimated that the smaller patterned T-shirts were of the age range 8-12 years. She described her abductor as white, at around 30 years, 5'9" in height, 160 lbs, dark hair and clean-cut, having the traits of a serviceman. During her ordeal in the car she recalled his highly polished shoes, reflecting the yellow lights from the car interior, likening them to Navy shoes, he wore a dark windbreaker, commonly called a windcheater in the UK, black/dark blue bell-bottom pants and most significantly his black plastic glasses were affixed to his head by a band of elastic. The vehicle was described as a light tan, late model, American made, 2-door, with old style California plates,
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/modesto-attack.html

Dave Masse

3/19/2018 09:45:40 pm

Sometimes in life we see patterns. Very important is that Ross’ brother and Cheri Jo Bates dated. She was so pretty. Ross was amorously infatuated with her and could not have her. He was unpopular and mentally ill. We saw this in the Martha Moxley Murder investigated by Mark Furman (here’s the pattern). You have a lesser attractive brother who kills the pretty girl his older brother has because he cannot have her. What do we do every day? We covet! Ross put his name to his killing (initials and later coded). Sherwood Morrel (a darn fine handwriting expert) matched the handwriting of the Bates desk writing to Zodiac. Ross was in the area. The newspapers were contacted in each one etc. Oh and by the way Ross looked exactly like Zodiac.

3/20/2018 10:24:31 am

Founder of the Church of Satan. Author of "The Satanic Bible", "The Satanic Witch, " "The Satanic Rituals, " and "The Devil's Notebook."
Anton LaVey The dates match up with the Foundation of the Church of Satan. The Bates murder six months to the day after. The Zodiac was more than one person doing all this. Bates and Sullivan seem to have been involved. It sounds crazy I know.

Chris

7/9/2018 03:12:34 pm

So uh, In all the studying I've done on the zodiac, sometimes his hair is described as reddish blond, while other times it's described as reddish brown. So, which is it? Redish brown or redish blond?

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